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Ducktales Mafia - Game over

Asid Wash

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I'll have more to say later. I didn't want to interfere with the conversation.

I stand by my nullSoup read. I didn't see anything in his behaviour that would suggest that he's scum to me (for Soup in particular... would be a scum tell coming from anyone else). TSN is leaning town... I think his case is fine, and that your intense dislike for it is a little odd.

:squirtle:
Will you **** or get off the pot?
 

Asid Wash

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Also, i will say it once, i will say it again:

You don't always have to be doing something, sometimes you can just kick back and relax and then wait for something to happen, you (i'm assuming the J side of the hydra) always need commotion to get your reads, however, I, get my reads through observation and close attention.
Bull-****ing ****.

unvote vote: Soupa
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Bull-****ing ****.

unvote vote: Soupa
ohey AW.

you don't, why does it ****ing matter if i am not constantly doing something.

>not asking questions
>must be scum

lol
when have i ever been a question guy?

also, yep, ryker will be null forever this game, just to piss you off.

but naw really that read will change eventually, just like all my other reads will, some will stay where they are, some won't.

also, if you haven't noticed, i'm better at reading town then i am scum, i don't think i've been wrong once about a town-read i had.
>bunch of town reads
>no scum reads

>bunch
>town reads

pick one, brochaco.

have you seen my read lists? i never have scum reads my first 'read update' list, i find it pointless to call someone scum in a list but never follow-up on it, if i have a scum read sometime this game, i'll tell you, until then, shove it.
 

Asid Wash

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What a bold-faced lie.

Unvote
Vote: Ryker


Let's go duder.
There things that seem off-color in Broto's play. That's not one of them. ZacBlock has really sat on the sideline, providing commentary and not much else. He's given reads, but they're weak and he's not acting on them. He's asked a couple of questions. Your constant buddying of him, simply because he's on your wavelength and not much else colors me wrong.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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well, okay, ONCE OR MORE but i'm usually right about them.

/toot horn
 

Asid Wash

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ohey AW.

you don't, why does it ****ing matter if i am not constantly doing something.
Because town should always be scumhunting in some manner. If it's not a scumhunting post, it's a worthless, fluffy post. I can attribute your posts to fluff, then?

>not asking questions
>must be scum

lol
when have i ever been a question guy?

also, yep, ryker will be null forever this game, just to piss you off.

but naw really that read will change eventually, just like all my other reads will, some will stay where they are, some won't.

also, if you haven't noticed, i'm better at reading town then i am scum, i don't think i've been wrong once about i town-read i had.
>bunch of town reads
>no scum reads

>bunch
>town reads

pick one, brochaco.

have you seen my read lists? i never have scum reads my first 'read update' list, i find it pointless to call someone scum in a list but never follow-up on it, if i have a scum read sometime this game, i'll tell you, until then, shove it.
The rest of this is "when have I ever done this," essentially trying to appeal to meta. I don't give a rat's *** about your meta. I call this bad play. I don't write passes for bad play. Not asking questions shows no initiative. Not having scum reads and a bunch of towns that I don't agree with seems weird. I don't care if you have faith in your town reads. I'm not asking you to find town. I'm asking you to find scum. You're not doing that.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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>implicating that i have once used fluff.

>implicating that when i mean not doing anything i mean lurking
>implicating you have to be a neighbor-hood watchman and ALWAYS FIND TEH SCUMZ

>implicating that asking questions makes you a better player or a better scumhunter.

hey wash, what's your opnion "Y" i sure feel about "X" but i dunno man back me up it's somewhat scummy but it's nice for input man i hope he answers my question

i don't care if you think i'm trying to use meta to cover my ***, i'm just telling you the facts.

just kidding, let's get in a pointless argument of who is right or wrong and let it drag on for 15 pages.

i can totally do that when i find it fit to.
 

Asid Wash

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>implicating that i have once used fluff.

>implicating that when i mean not doing anything i mean lurking
>implicating you have to be a neighbor-hood watchman and ALWAYS FIND TEH SCUMZ

>implicating that asking questions makes you a better player or a better scumhunter.

hey wash, what's your opnion "Y" i sure feel about "X" but i dunno man back me up it's somewhat scummy but it's nice for input man i hope he answers my question

i don't care if you think i'm trying to use meta to cover my ***, i'm just telling you the facts.

just kidding, let's get in a pointless argument of who is right or wrong and let it drag on for 15 pages.

i can totally do that when i find it fit to.
You're not even useful. Do something.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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No.

umad?

you gonna tell on me for not doing anything?
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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come hither sir washed of the round table, we shall fight to the death.

but no, seriously, AW, your whole argument against me is that "OMG DO SOMETHING SO ****ING USELESS BLAH BLAH" and it's really weak.
 

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@PFP

i communicate when i feel i need to communicate, i usually only out a case if i feel strong about this person, or i feel the need to out one.
Soup, do you have any desire to improve? ._. You have several people telling you that you need to do something and start asking questions and such, and all you have in response is "it's not my style to ask questions" and then you wonder why you get lynched so often? I don't see how you can say "i can't do anything, there's nothing to work with" when you refuse to ask questions. Questions produce material to work with.

This looks better than some of the stuff you were posting earlier.
How so? He just pushed me for reads. Anyone could do that.

There things that seem off-color in Broto's play. That's not one of them. ZacBlock has really sat on the sideline, providing commentary and not much else. He's given reads, but they're weak and he's not acting on them. He's asked a couple of questions. Your constant buddying of him, simply because he's on your wavelength and not much else colors me wrong.
I won't deny I was sidelining in the Ryker-TSN conversation. After questioning GLG (in which I was not sitting on the sidelines), I came back the next day in the middle of Ryker and TSN's conversation. I made that sideline comment ("Not liking...") to show that it was at the beginning where I saw something was off, but I wanted to wait for the conversation to progress instead of tainting it with my interjections. I fully intended to question Ryker after I saw more. My first post against him should align with this.

Seems like this post was made halfway through your read... do you still think I'm sitting on the sidelines?

Isn't it essentially Broto agreeing with himself?
Why do you think he felt a need to agree with himself like that then? Why bring up the post at all? Do you think GLG's post was particularly good? Do you think it's odd that he quotes a post by GLG just to say "i like this" right after I specifically asked him what his stance on GLG was?

:squirtle:
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Soup, do you have any desire to improve? ._. You have several people telling you that you need to do something and start asking questions and such, and all you have in response is "it's not my style to ask questions" and then you wonder why you get lynched so often? I don't see how you can say "i can't do anything, there's nothing to work with" when you refuse to ask questions. Questions produce material to work with.
i have improved.
i'm never lynched.
there is plenty to work with, just nothing of interest yet.
i don't need to ask questions randomly, i'll tell you if i got something.

*AHEM*

HOLD YOUR ****ING HORSES EVERYONE.

I DON'T FEEL LIKE DOING ANYTHING, I CAN SEE **** GOING AROUND THAT I COULD PRESSURE OR GRILL OR QUESTION BUT I WANT TO ****ING WAIT BECAUSE I AM TAKING IT EASY FOR NOW.

I WILL DO SOMETHING WHEN I AM ****ING READY, CHILL.
 

Classy Raptor

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Just finished catching up, lets get our hands dirty a bit.

I'll be brief.
Ryker is null leaning town
Soup/PFP is null
GLG and DH have been too quiet (GLG less so)
AD came in really mild and then switched to guns ablazing. Can't get a solid read yet, but it shouldn't be long before stuff starts taking shape.


TSN/ZB: Tell me all about each other. How do you feel about the other hydra? Had you the opportunity to kill them now, would you take it?

ZB: How many games have each of you played with Ryker, not counting ones you replaced into (replaced out of is fine)

Ryker: How do you feel about ZB specifically in regards to his play towards you?

Errybody: Thoughts on TSN and ZB, por favor.
 

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PeopleFacePunch [1] - Classy Raptor
~The Savage Nymph~ [1] - DatHydra
giraffelasergun [1] - ZacBlock
Soupamario [3] - PeopleFacePunch, Ryker, Asid Wash
Ryker [1] - ~The Savage Nynph~

Not voting: giraffelasergun, Soupamario
 

DatHydra

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Hey guys, Seikend here. Finally cut off my TF2 addiction to spend some time with you lovely people.

I haven't had a chance to talk with Kuz much yet so I won't be doing anything drastic, but I'll be properly catching up and giving my thoughts in an hour or so.
 

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HOLD YOUR ****ING HORSES EVERYONE.

I DON'T FEEL LIKE DOING ANYTHING, I CAN SEE **** GOING AROUND THAT I COULD PRESSURE OR GRILL OR QUESTION BUT I WANT TO ****ING WAIT BECAUSE I AM TAKING IT EASY FOR NOW.

I WILL DO SOMETHING WHEN I AM ****ING READY, CHILL.
It's just frustrating to see the game distracted by people arguing over whether asking questions is useful =P

TSN/ZB: Tell me all about each other. How do you feel about the other hydra? Had you the opportunity to kill them now, would you take it?

ZB: How many games have each of you played with Ryker, not counting ones you replaced into (replaced out of is fine)
Nah we wouldn't kill TSN right now. We have a town read on them, and we like their play so far. Wouldn't mind seeing them be more aggressive, as much of what they've done so far is defending themselves from Ryker.

T-block - I've played two games with Ryker. Pizza mafia, where we were both town, and Dexter mafia, where he was town and I was scum. I also read Melee Tournament mafia, if you think that's relevant. Not sure about Zac, but every post so far has been T-block fyi.

:squirtle:
 

DatHydra

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ughhh catching up with ~200 posts, not so much fun.

Anyyyyways, all here now.

I'm liking Asid Wash, lots of their thoughts aligning with mine. Agree that ZB and Soup haven't been scumhunting and WL's analysis of the GLG/Ryker post. No problems with them at the moment.

@Asid Wash You've been pretty clear about how you feel about posts, but who at the moment is your strongest scumread?

I... don't remember what GLG has done. That's probably not a good sign.

@GLG Remind me of your scumreads with reasoning please. Thoughts on Asid Wash?

Nothing to say about Classy Raptor. Will see what happens there.

@ZB

Why do you think he felt a need to agree with himself like that then? Why bring up the post at all? Do you think GLG's post was particularly good? Do you think it's odd that he quotes a post by GLG just to say "i like this" right after I specifically asked him what his stance on GLG was?

:squirtle:
Blehhh. I think that you have something of merit here but why are you questioning other people about Ryker's actions, rather than Ryker himself? You're being accused of sidelining, and you're still doing it. Why are you avoiding confronting him directly, and instead trying to dirty the waters? If you think it's scummy, push Ryker about it. If not, then explain why you're pushing the point.

Anyways, as I said before, I agree with AW's analysis. Don't get the point of the post at all.

Zb is odd for me. I agree with some of his thoughts, but I really don't like the way he acts. Too passive to me.

Not sure about Ryker. I feel like his attack on TSN was weak and there's a few pointless posts. #51 in particular caught my eye. The rest of his play has been fine with me, but bleh. With TSN/Ryker, TSN looks better but with TSN/Ryker in regards to ZB, Ryker looks better.

@Ryker Is buddying a scumtell? What was the intent of this post?

I felt PFP's start was kinda weak, but their #156 is better. Sorry, no question for you :3. Getting tiredddd.

TSN... as I've said, felt they came off better in TSN/Ryker but don't like their defence of ZB.

And Soup... bleh, I have no idea. I mean a lot of his stuff reminds me of the Soup I know but y'know, I don't know Scumsoup yet so eh. I know Kuz can read Soup way better than me, so I'll leave Soup to him.

Kinda lost steam at the end, so sorry to the guys near the end of the list .__.; That'll teach me to not keep up with games. I'll get to you all properly next time. That was a lot to read so apologies if I missed out any questions or anything, just repost them for me and I'll get to them ASAP.

We'll have our scumreads posted up sometime soonish once Kuz is all caught up and stuff.
 
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Ryker, I don't get how it's a double standard. You were voting PFP for continuing RVS which we had chalked up to personal distaste of RVS and like PFP said earlier, it probably wouldn't have mattered who was doing it. You didn't even say why participating in RVS is scummy, or I at least think you're implying it's scummy. Soup, after that voted PFP for the same reasons which basically boils to down to "why are you participating in rvs?" which we felt was very oppurtunistic.

@CR, I think it's pretty obvious how we feel about ZB.
 

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I'd like to see you explicitly say it
 

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@DH: I'll forgive you guys for missing this since you're catching up. Have I honestly been avoiding confrontation?

I stayed on GLG hard at the beginning of the game, even when nobody else was interacting with him. I'm pretty sure I said it before, but I'll say it again now: GLG is my top lynch pick for toDay, and I would be perfectly fine with seeing him gone.

About Ryker...

Ryker, what do you think of GLG? You haven't mentioned him at all. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Direct question asking him for his opinion of my top pick. He says more likely scum than town, but not much more.

Your push on TSN is off. You keep drilling that he should have attacked you as well as Soup because you also pushed PFP. You are implying that both you and Soup treated PFP the same way, and are ignoring the fact that TSN has brought up other aspects of Soup's behaviour (the unvote, for example). You are misrepresenting TSN's push, and trying to paint him as scum for it.

Is TSN your top pick for toDay? Would you be fine with lynching him right now?
Is this really avoiding confrontation?

You LIKE this post? What is there to like about it? Anyone can see that 108 makes little sense.

Is this not dodging giving a read? What has GLG done all game? Defends himself, then pops in to say stuff like "i don't think he's scum...". Find me where GLG has offered his stances. And when you can't, tell me why you're not on his case for it.
Is THIS really avoiding confrontation?

I can and I will follow up on this, but Ryker has conveniently ignored this post of mine, and I'm being called out for avoiding confrontation? Seriously?

:squirtle:
 

DatHydra

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My bad ZB.

I felt like the point about just liking GLG's post was the strongest point against Ryker, and I thought you were avoiding that point with him. Completely missed your #145, apologies.

Definitely fine with ZB now, and in turn makes me feel better about TSN.

I'll re-read at some point today and give more defined read on all those null-ish ones for me.
 

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@Asid Wash You've been pretty clear about how you feel about posts, but who at the moment is your strongest scumread?
WL would totally love to lynch Soup right now, as he thinks he is scum. That was probably obvious. It was probably obvious who was posting last night as well... so far this hydra's made me realize that I'm pretty damn passive :bee:

As for me,



>implying I have stances

WL's reads make sense to me, at least. I kind of default to a Souptown read out of habit, because in the past I've had "NO DOUBT IN MY MIND" that Soup was scum, and Soup flipped town Every. Damn. Time.

But WL assures me he's legit scum this time :awesome:
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Asid Wash said:
WL's reads make sense to me, at least. I kind of default to a Souptown read out of habit, because in the past I've had "NO DOUBT IN MY MIND" that Soup was scum, and Soup flipped town Every. Damn. Time.
smart man.

/can totally get away with being scummy as ****

the high life, it's good.
 

Classy Raptor

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Have I honestly been avoiding confrontation?
I got this exact vibe. I do believe, we both found it odd when we went through our read together. A majority of the reason I first post was so geared towards you was your avoidance of confrontation.
 

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Alright, I'm here. Anyway I don't really have many questions to ask but I do have reads on several players so I'll go ahead and give you guys the reads so you can be happy.

In order of the player list:
1. Acid Dough (Asdioh / WashedLaundry)- Not really a fan of these two. They come in here mildly and are delayed in making their first post and suddenly go in guns blazing and vote soup for saying you don't always have to be doing something even though they themselves didn't actually do anything at that point in time either which makes no sense to me. I'm probably just making a huge deal out of nothing since I'm sure as you guys get more active you will do work but I just found that interesting.

2. giraffelasergun- *insert comment about how this is myself*

3. Chaco Who?

4. ZacBlock (T-Block / UTDZac) Something about your guys playstyle doesn't strike a good tone to me. I get the feeling that you guys ask questions not becuase you think the person you're asking them is a wolf, but you ask them so that you appear to be scumhunting while making the other people look worse. Can you guys give me a quick summary as to why you're voting me again?

5. Ryker You have several people attacking you for dumb reasons which makes me want to think you're town.

6. DatHydra (Seikend / t3hkuzinator) I'll have to see more of these two to actually decide anything on them.
7. PeopleFacePunch (Joey / Sworddancer) During RVS I thought you guys were stupid and or scum and should go immediately but you've been looking better since, although I do think you guys were a tad over defensive. You aren't my top pick for today.
8. ~The Savage Nymph~ (Gova / J) I really, really, really don't like your vote on Ryker. From what I've read, you guys are the only ones that feel the way you do about ZacBlock and you just call him out for lying. Granted you do have other posts that are incriminating towards ryker, but the vote post itself was what i found worse.

9. Soupamario I think soup's town.

Brief version:

Chaco, DH, and Asid Wash are null.
Soup and Ryker town. PFP might be town.
I feel like TSN and ZacBlock are probably scum, but the way they interact with each other I don't think they'd be on the same scum team. However, imo they are the two scummiest players right now.

Going with Vote: ZacBlock.
 

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Soup, why is it fair for you to only be reactive though? Why should you get the right not to have scum reads, not to try to produce content, ect., and not be called scummy for it?

TSN, in line with one of my questions to Ryker from my 156, if you had to shoot one of Ryker or Soup right now who would it be?
 

Classy Raptor

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@PFP: Thoughts on Soup's play so far toDay?

You didn't answer the all around question on your thoughts regarding TSN and ZB, either.
 
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I'm liking Asid Wash, lots of their thoughts aligning with mine. Agree that ZB and Soup haven't been scumhunting and WL's analysis of the GLG/Ryker post. No problems with them at the moment.

TSN... as I've said, felt they came off better in TSN/Ryker but don't like their defence of ZB.
How is that any different? Our defense was basically their thoughts align with ours and that was why we liked them.

@PFP, Soup, could just get the cop to investigate Ryker then because he's more valuable as town.
 

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FYI I'm on vacation atm (as of yesterday... I announced it in the V/LA thread), and I don't know where Zac is, so I won't be taking much initiative until Tuesday.

I got this exact vibe. I do believe, we both found it odd when we went through our read together. A majority of the reason I first post was so geared towards you was your avoidance of confrontation.
Is that referring to my first posts? If it's all posts, then I'm sorry, but I really don't see it. I'll respond if you can bring up something more specific.

[...]

4. ZacBlock (T-Block / UTDZac) Something about your guys playstyle doesn't strike a good tone to me. I get the feeling that you guys ask questions not becuase you think the person you're asking them is a wolf, but you ask them so that you appear to be scumhunting while making the other people look worse. Can you guys give me a quick summary as to why you're voting me again?

[...]

Brief version:

I feel like TSN and ZacBlock are probably scum, but the way they interact with each other I don't think they'd be on the same scum team. However, imo they are the two scummiest players right now.

Going with Vote: ZacBlock.
Sure. I'm not focusing on your early posts dealing with PFP in RVS. I think you were contradicting yourself there, but the contradiction is not why I think you're scum. However, you did not respond well to my questions that came shortly after:

  • In 63 I ask you for your stance on PFP. In 64 you never truly give it. You were voicing suspicions of PFP earlier, but you back down from that and say he was just being stupid in RVS. You bring up his slight OMGUS towards Soup, but never call him scum for it. In fact, the closest thing to a stance you give in 64 is that you don't understand why I would think he is town.
  • In 76 I call you out on having done nothing up until that point, and ask you who you would vote. This goes ignored.
  • 87 is your next post. No vote, just continuing with this weak pressure on PFP. You're not even taking initiative with this pressure... it comes in response to PFP's question.

Note that 117 again is made very carefully. Your 192 makes me feel slightly better, but honestly, I am very surprised that people are calling me out for being non-confrontational with the way you've been posting. You were explicitly asked for stances, and you ignored the requests.

Now, add in this very odd interaction that's going on between you and Ryker. Mind telling me your thoughts on his 135? Are the attacks on him the only reason why you think he's town?

I would love to hear something more concrete against us. We're the scummiest slot because we're scumhunting, but you think it's fake? We don't only ask questions to those who we think are scum -_- In fact, nobody does that (except Soup apparently lol), so I'm not sure why you're calling us out on it.

Moreover, if you were to lynch us and see our town flip, would you then go after TSN?

GLG, mind letting us know what your mafia experience is?

:squirtle:
 

DatHydra

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How is that any different? Our defense was basically their thoughts align with ours and that was why we liked them.
Defending his reads was fine, it was the defence of his actions that bugged me,or lack of actions. I didn't feel like he had been active at all.

ZB has shown evidence of being proactive though, and as I said in my #187 it made me feel better about your slot.

Still need to do a re-read. but I'm super tired. Hopefully get it done later today.
 

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PeopleFacePunch [1] - Classy Raptor
~The Savage Nymph~ [1] - DatHydra
giraffelasergun [1] - ZacBlock
Soupamario [3] - PeopleFacePunch, Ryker, Asid Wash
Ryker [1] - ~The Savage Nynph~
ZacBlock [1] - giraffelasergun

Not voting: Soupamario
 
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