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[Xzax Kasrani]

Yes!, its a % dependent CG, that ***** your character so you want it banned...I use wolf and yes pikachu is a little broken peesha you know what, but its not 100% broken, there are ways around it and you can just outsmart the pikachu and force them to give you damage before they get a grab off. But since you use fox and pikachu ***** fox you will be biased and want it banned.

 

[_Yes!_]

Chillax Xzax

Yes!, its a % dependent CG, that ***** your character so you want it banned...I use wolf and yes pikachu is a little broken peesha you know what, but its not 100% broken, there are ways around it and you can just outsmart the pikachu and force them to give you damage before they get a grab off. But since you use fox and pikachu ***** fox you will be biased and want it banned.

I know it's % dependent.

I main Snake, not Fox.

I'm not immature/selfish enough to get it banned for myself. I don't even care enough about bawlr tourney play. I'm just thinking about coming to Drexel because people are supposedly nicer here than in NJ. I'm actually not convinced I want to go anymore really.

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

Why? Chibo banned MK and IC's infinite CG, which are two legal things and these people are mad cool. I got the most utter respect for you, but thats how I felt, you 2nd fox and he gets gayed by pikachu, but pikachus grabs aren't even close to being compared to IC's, its not a true 0 to death, and its percent dependent, oh ban DDDs or falcos then.

 

[KayLo!]

@Yes!: Snake is even vs. Pika even with the CG. =X

But, yeah, me and NL are the only two people who play Pika anywhere remotely close to Philly.... he doesn't play Pika that often, and I'm not that good/serious about the game. So I think you're safe, lol.

Also, just throwing it out there that I'm against banning ICs infinites anyway. Since my last post might have sorta implied that I support it. x.x

 

[GOTM]

please don't let xzax represent the rest of PA for you.

 

[_Yes!_]

It's his tourney, and his rules.

I'd go wolf before picking fox in tourney to be honest, and vs Pikachu I've always gone Snake.

(I wouldn't mind banning DDD's and Falco's cg's but that's asking too much )

GOTM: I know, but it's just annoying sometimes when someone makes **** personal, so I don't think right.

 

[GOTM]

yeah xzax has become the bit of a wild child.

 

[CT Chia]

ICs is not % dependant and can happen on the entire cast.

I haven't decided what to do about singular infinites, and I'm not going to ban them at least for the first one, since it's a much more touchy subject considering they are a lot more situational. Afterall, I didn't ban ZSS's infinite on ROB. That would be just plain bias lol.

 

[_Yes!_]

Just make every tourney a falcon/ganon tourney. They're the least broken characters in the game lol

 

[CT Chia]

iv been considering banning gdorfs suicide move

 

[_Yes!_]

It's so broken Skyriding ftl

 

[KayLo!]

.............

*looks for tourney venues* x.o!

 

[GOTM]

ban g&w and luigi.

you can hack when you want to get the 9 hammer
and if you know how to do it you can misfire every time

 

[CT Chia]

yea every setup is going to run hacks with the GaW9 taken out

 

[GOTM]

yea every setup is going to run hacks with the GaW9 taken out

ok thank god. i mean ask felipe that **** is scary.

 

[CT Chia]

falco's laser is banned

 

[Lawz.]

falco's laser is banned

Well since we're becoming ban happy I do think Sonic should be banned at this tournament......he's just too fast it's soooooooo cheap.

 

[CT Chia]

consider it done

 

[_Yes!_]

Ban wario from pushing the jump button.

 

[CT Chia]

no

10chibos

 

[_Yes!_]

****ing chibo...all ten of him...Screw PA I'm not coming anymore

 

[Inui]

@Yes!: Snake is even vs. Pika even with the CG. =X

No.

Snake has the advantage even on FD where Pikachu CG is most beastly.

Fatal ***** NinjaLink 2-0 there, rofl...

 

[KayLo!]

Whatever you say, genius. You're really not worth debating with.

 

[Inui]

Whatever you say, genius. You're really not worth debating with.

Snake lives to ten million percent. Pikachu dies at nothing. Snake can punish anything Pikachu does. Pikachu can't do the same to Snake.

In an actual tournament set, Fatal crushed NinjaLink's Pikachu 2-0 on FD. In crews at Apex, Candy did the same thing to NinjaLink's Pikachu on the same stage.

I'm worth debating with if you can actually present evidence to make me consider what you're saying.

 

[_Yes!_]

Anyway, these should start soon. I want to play melee in between my brawl matches :D

 

[KayLo!]

I'm worth debating with if you can actually present evidence to make me consider what you're saying.

It's not worth it, boo. You've already made it clear many, many times over that you don't value the opinions of players who aren't top placers, so I'm not going to waste my time typing out a huge post just to have you shoot me down out of some sense of elitism.

No thanks.

Also, the last time I saw NinjaLink's Pika, no offense to him, but it wasn't on par with Anther's or Z's (Vegas Z, not... the other one who doesn't play Pika). He's an excellent player, and his Pikachu is definitely good, but I wouldn't use it to judge Pika's potential.... the Pika mains I just named have a much better understanding of the character. That's just my opinion, though, and I haven't seen his Pika very recently, so it might be a slightly outdated one.

 

[Inui]

Evidence. That's what matters. You are not at a skill level for your testimony to matter much, but evidence is evidence no matter how skilled someone is. That's the only way to debate with me. Proof. Facts.

If you have evidence, you can easily debate with me.

 

[_Yes!_]

Or we can move on instead of filling another thread with 10 pages of bickering.

 

[KayLo!]

Or we can move on instead of filling another thread with 10 pages of bickering.

Agreed.

Inui, if you're really that interested in discussing it (which I highly doubt you are), you can always bring it to the Pika forum's matchup thread.... or you can PM me, and I'll be more than happy to get into it with you. I love discussing matchups with people who have at least half a brain, because most people don't.

But it doesn't really belong here. =X I dun think Chibo would appreciate it very much, lol.

 

[Inui]

I avoid character boards like the plague. Arguing with pre-teens and babies that barely touch tournaments? I'll pass.

IM me.

 

[KayLo!]

Will do the next time I get on.

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

@Yes!: Snake is even vs. Pika even with the CG. =X

But, yeah, me and NL are the only two people who play Pika anywhere remotely close to Philly.... he doesn't play Pika that often, and I'm not that good/serious about the game. So I think you're safe, lol.

Also, just throwing it out there that I'm against banning ICs infinites anyway. Since my last post might have sorta implied that I support it. x.x

And theres only 3 or so MK users but hes banned D:

 

[CT Chia]

back to ban discussion for realz - ICs hobbling is now allowed, but only out of fthrow, not bthrow

 

[Steel]

y .

 

[CT Chia]

hobbling out of bthrow makes it an infinite since u can keep em in the middle of the stage or something the whole time. if its done out of fthrow and the opponent consistently smashDIs the ice blocks correctly towards the end of the stage, it slowly moves across the stage eventually reaching the edge.

ICs grabs are still quite destructive and can likely result in death, it's just that with these rules its not a 100% guaranteed infinite and gives the opponent a small bit of hope.

 

[Steel]

I don't understand why you're so against the bthrow though. It's not like people will stall with it, and if they do then they can be DQ'd. Without the bthrow cg IC's aren't working at 100% :/

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

IDC about banning stuff anymore, Wolf is taking top 5 mo-fos

 

[CT Chia]

I don't understand why you're so against the bthrow though. It's not like people will stall with it, and if they do then they can be DQ'd. Without the bthrow cg IC's aren't working at 100% :/

Because it makes it a guaranteed infinite out of one grab. The small changes from taking out bthrow CGs is that it technically gives the opponent some kind of hope, and gives them options to help against it. Every CG will theoretically reach the end of the stage (so a player can play sort of safe near a ledge, but not on it, to help counter this somewhat). If the IC can kill with a smash from grab, cool, if not, go for the fair spike which the opponent is able to SmashDI and tech or meteor cancel properly. It's not likely to happen, but can.

Plus, there are plenty of other IC "infinites" that are legal under the current rules. They are just very strict with timing and a hell of a lot less likely to happen. I've been talking to Bnzaaa a lot about this, and he's also helped educate me a bit on all the IC stuff in general. I've been discussing potentially what can happen under these rules and not, and I can guarantee you that ICs grabs are practically just as lethal under these rules its just that they either depend on reading your opponent, or require more tech skill, or both.

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

OMG! I saw Chibo post and I thought he was going to say I ban Wolf.

 

[Steel]

This is greatly favoring characters that can attack from the ledge/play a strong ledge and edge game. If they make a mistake the worst thing they can suffer is a grab or two plus a fair spike (if it isn't di'd) which won't do much depending on the %.

You make it sound like it's very easy for the IC's if they have the bthrow though. They have to work VERY hard for grabs and even the top IC players aren't good enough to CG them 0-death 100% every time.