Same for me, I must say it is all about button timing, because when you hit Up+L+C-stick they all have to be at the same time, then c-stick fast again to make it a fluid motion, which is hard, imo.
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"Dragonic Reverse" -- Yoshi Can Wavedash!
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Same...
Take a week off and then you suck even worse than before.
CluelessBTD
Smash Ace
Use the YYA method that I described. I get a bunch of them. I say everyone go out on a mission looking for more applications for this technique and make vids.
bigman40
Smash Master
I think I finally found the easiest way to doing this. It might screw a few ppl up, but it makes this move durable, and consistent (to me anyways). All I need to do now is test it in a fight before I actually post this.
Oh, tell me this. I want to test it out.
CluelessBTD
Smash Ace
BIG NEWS KIND OF! You can perform a DR while passing through a platform, but timing is difficult. If you jump, then double jump and aerial just as you are passing through the platform, Yoshi will cancel his just and stick to the platform. This could make for some flashy play :D
Eddosan
Smash Cadet
Yeah, I've found that out myself. ^^
So apparently, Yoshi gets some mobility perks if you can master DRing.
DarkLeviathan89
Smash Lord
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bigman40
Smash Master
Well, the new way to do this is with the CC. I found out that using X Y L or A B L. This changes the super fast tapping to a sliding motion and timing. Compared to the predecessors, it's really easy to do this way. However, the biggest challenge, is learning the setup. It's not really that hot, but it's something.
Looking into the GC now.
EDIT: This really depends on what controller you use. Fortunately, I have a big, medium, and small controller to test the variation.
NOTE THE CONTROLS DID NOT CHANGE EXCEPT FOR L (which is atk). THE METHOD IS THE EXACT SAME WAY.... Y X L
Small GC: Since all the buttons are close together, it shoudn't be hard to slide your hand across from Y to X. If your controller one of those small gamestop ones, then the buttons are high enough to easily slide your hand w/o hitting A.
Medium GC: The sliding is a bit tougher because their isn't enough space between Y and X to just slide with your thump flat. Use the tip of your thump to slide from Y to X and your should get the DJ immediately. Just learn to time X and L at almost the same time.
Large GC: You would think that this would make the big GC the easiest....Wrong. It's actually the hardest of the three. (Gamestop's bulky one) The Y and X are placed so far, that your hand has to slide around the A button. Not only that, it makes the timing hard to do cause your hand cannot slide fast enough around the A button (consistently anyways).
Now....I know that some of you use L as jump. So I know that you guys are gonna be like "yay DR is easier, yet it made ETS harder T_T". The small GC users don't have to worry about this cause you can slide it easily from Y to B. As the controller gets bigger, the harder it gets. Not to the point where it's too hard though. If you don't know what to do now to get the ETS easy again, just slide your thumb from Y to X. Yeah, you'll pivot instead of sliding a few times, but it's doable.
Lol. Well, this is my first wall of text. Hope this helps out everyone.
Looking into the GC now.
EDIT: This really depends on what controller you use. Fortunately, I have a big, medium, and small controller to test the variation.
NOTE THE CONTROLS DID NOT CHANGE EXCEPT FOR L (which is atk). THE METHOD IS THE EXACT SAME WAY.... Y X L
Small GC: Since all the buttons are close together, it shoudn't be hard to slide your hand across from Y to X. If your controller one of those small gamestop ones, then the buttons are high enough to easily slide your hand w/o hitting A.
Medium GC: The sliding is a bit tougher because their isn't enough space between Y and X to just slide with your thump flat. Use the tip of your thump to slide from Y to X and your should get the DJ immediately. Just learn to time X and L at almost the same time.
Large GC: You would think that this would make the big GC the easiest....Wrong. It's actually the hardest of the three. (Gamestop's bulky one) The Y and X are placed so far, that your hand has to slide around the A button. Not only that, it makes the timing hard to do cause your hand cannot slide fast enough around the A button (consistently anyways).
Now....I know that some of you use L as jump. So I know that you guys are gonna be like "yay DR is easier, yet it made ETS harder T_T". The small GC users don't have to worry about this cause you can slide it easily from Y to B. As the controller gets bigger, the harder it gets. Not to the point where it's too hard though. If you don't know what to do now to get the ETS easy again, just slide your thumb from Y to X. Yeah, you'll pivot instead of sliding a few times, but it's doable.
Lol. Well, this is my first wall of text. Hope this helps out everyone.
I still find it the easiest with tap jump on, L set to jump, then press c-stick.
*NOTE: HOW MANY OF YOU PIVOT BEFORE PRESSING THE BUTTONS?
I don't pivot and can do it better than almost anyone on the site.
So try this method if Bigman's method does not work:
1. Go to controller settings, turn tap jump on, and set L to Jump.
2. Then go to training mode and initiate a dash.
3. Then when you get to the point you want to do the DR, press L+Up+ C-Stick. This should cancel the DJ and leave facing the opposite direction.
4.Then press the desired attack immeadietely after it cancels.
EDIT: And does anyone know someuses for this, I can use it for the occasional surprise attack. Hehehe...DarkLeviathan knows that. But after that what else can you do with it besides spacing?
*NOTE: HOW MANY OF YOU PIVOT BEFORE PRESSING THE BUTTONS?
I don't pivot and can do it better than almost anyone on the site.
So try this method if Bigman's method does not work:
1. Go to controller settings, turn tap jump on, and set L to Jump.
2. Then go to training mode and initiate a dash.
3. Then when you get to the point you want to do the DR, press L+Up+ C-Stick. This should cancel the DJ and leave facing the opposite direction.
4.Then press the desired attack immeadietely after it cancels.
EDIT: And does anyone know someuses for this, I can use it for the occasional surprise attack. Hehehe...DarkLeviathan knows that. But after that what else can you do with it besides spacing?
bigman40
Smash Master
Tap jump is the easiest method to do this.......I only posted that method for people that do not like tap jump.
Gindler
Smash Champion
Honestly with tap jump on I'm about half as good as I am with it off. I do accidental rising Uairs too much, and the all embarassing egg toss to waste my second jump that I almost always forget about.
Those are downsides, but in speed and percentage of times you hit the DR is vastly increased, I did it so fast earlier it almost looked like dashdancing. lulz It worked excellent for spacing and KO'd somewhere between 115% and 135%. I wasn't paying that much attention.
bigman40
Smash Master
You should get a vid showing you doing it during matches.
I need to, but I tend to mess up in the heat of battle. When it's just a calm set pace I can do it right and left but not when the battles intensity is up.
And 120% and up from center stage will kill, 130% and up from far corners will kill.
And 120% and up from center stage will kill, 130% and up from far corners will kill.
DarkLeviathan89
Smash Lord
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Are you talking about DR with forward smashes? That's not to bad when you get the spacing options that DR offers.
Aw looks like Yoshi has a better "WaveDash" then Pit now. lol
Anyway this is a pretty slick find. I hope this improves Yoshi's spacing and technical game enough to make his mindgames completely broken. ^_^ Yoshi for tournament tier!
Anyway this is a pretty slick find. I hope this improves Yoshi's spacing and technical game enough to make his mindgames completely broken. ^_^ Yoshi for tournament tier!
KoopaKoopaParatroopa
Smash Apprentice
how do you DR in a certain direction?
I can do it while walking, but it stops me in place. Do I smash the analog stick while doing the DR?
also, I'm wondering if mobility is easier with Tap jump off. I currently have it on.
I can do it while walking, but it stops me in place. Do I smash the analog stick while doing the DR?
also, I'm wondering if mobility is easier with Tap jump off. I currently have it on.
bigman40
Smash Master
keep tilting the control stick in one direction.
I've done this quite a few times now, the most I've been able to do it is about 3-4 times in a row.
I've got tap jump on and I'm using Up X A to do it. But my slide is extremely small or non-existant... Yoshi just pretty much stops still. Also I'm not fast enough to get in an attack yet.
I've got tap jump on and I'm using Up X A to do it. But my slide is extremely small or non-existant... Yoshi just pretty much stops still. Also I'm not fast enough to get in an attack yet.
Jump_Man
Smash Apprentice
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Yeah, the Dragonic Reverse is pretty easy to use, just the sliding is getting to me. I know you have to move the analog stick, but I'm just wondering when. Should I push it after all three buttons are pressed? If so, how long should I wait until I make an attack?
bigman40
Smash Master
If you are using tap jump, move it after you use push the control stick up. Otherwise, move the control sitck in the beginning.
Oh, I've tried last night using this, and it freaking *****! If you DR towards them and Fsmash, the force from the Fsmash causes them to slide too far to let them grab you. Plus, it can easily setup for other smashes and dodge atks fairly well.
I messed around in training mode today, and it can be done as fast as walking. I did it going across FD. Idk when I can record again, but I'll try to get some matches up soon.
Oh, I've tried last night using this, and it freaking *****! If you DR towards them and Fsmash, the force from the Fsmash causes them to slide too far to let them grab you. Plus, it can easily setup for other smashes and dodge atks fairly well.
I messed around in training mode today, and it can be done as fast as walking. I did it going across FD. Idk when I can record again, but I'll try to get some matches up soon.
Thats how fast I can do it, except it look like dashing.
ummm I need some people to test this for me since I couldn't get any real players to try and escape it today..
It seems, vs comps at least, that you can grab any of the normal chain grabbable characters (mk, falco etc) and chew on them. Then when they pop out you can DR forward and forward smash them before they can revcover... ... =) It works on the computers every time that i get the DR down but I really want some human practice..
if its true, now we can chain grab across the stage and end it with a forward smash... w o o t.
It seems, vs comps at least, that you can grab any of the normal chain grabbable characters (mk, falco etc) and chew on them. Then when they pop out you can DR forward and forward smash them before they can revcover... ... =) It works on the computers every time that i get the DR down but I really want some human practice..
if its true, now we can chain grab across the stage and end it with a forward smash... w o o t.
Jump_Man
Smash Apprentice
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Wow, that's awesome! But I think a Meta Knight can dodge the DR. You wanna test it out?
I was just at a tourney yesterday and I got to try it out in a couple matches. It's pretty fun to use against people who don't expect it at all. I think I've practiced it enough that I can pull it off without thinking much about it anymore because my friend said I did a DR -> ftilt -> fsmash for a kill against a Marth, but I can't say that I recall it specifically lol.
heres my attempt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCX_i1bQZKM&fmt=18
Good gravy, you guys are getting good at this mess. o_0
bigman40
Smash Master
Rofl. I can pull it off quite a bit in matches. One match, I only missed it about 5 times (out of like 15). It's good, just soo hard to keep consistent.
I actually need to start using tilts instead of smashes, cause I made a habit of doing them too much now >_<
Oh ya, I know someone hasn't thought of this, but try using DR to a DownB. Good mindgames to make someone try shield grabbing, then they get punished =P
I actually need to start using tilts instead of smashes, cause I made a habit of doing them too much now >_<
Oh ya, I know someone hasn't thought of this, but try using DR to a DownB. Good mindgames to make someone try shield grabbing, then they get punished =P
Depster
Smash Champion
so you have tap jump on, right Bigman?
bigman40
Smash Master
Actually, I don't have it on. I use the Classic controller to play, and I can do it fairly well now.
ducky285
Smash Journeyman
If need be, I'll switch back to the CC despite my dislike of wireless button lag.
bigman40
Smash Master
If you want to. I found that it's the second easiest thing aside from tap jump. Instead of tapping the buttons like a manic, you slide you thumb from X to Y, and either use the C-stick or L
Eggz
Smash Hero
Shouldn't it be Draconic Reverse?
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Smooth Criminal
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