I didn't say I don't beat campers. I just have subtantially less fun having to chase them the whole time, so I stopped playing campers. End of story. Furthermore, they aren't going to learn anything if you stand across FD and mash B.
And I never said that you couldn't beat campers. So... I don't know what that has to do with anything. But, that being said, a *good* camper, just doesn't mash random specials for the most part. Just like with zomg flashy combos, it takes skill to execute properly. More on this a bit later in the post.
Yes, because we all know about those people who like to get camped. Even if they hated what you are mentioning, they would prefer it. Lesser of two evils.
Furthermore, I'm willing to bet that 90% of people on SWF would prefer an aggressive fight as opposed to a campfest.
So, just because the majority of people like something, it is automatically the correct way to do things, without any assessment of any other variables?
Furthermore, landing the moves that lead into the combos is difficult and requires a thought process. Choosing Pit and mashing B does not.
True, to an extent. But as I alluded to above, a *GOOD* camper, puts thought into their camping maneuvers. I'm a ROB player, and I do camp until the opportunity presents itself, and then be as aggressive as possible for as long as its prudent, and then I stop, and camp again.
It takes time to learn how to effectively and skillfully camp. It takes time to learn the various trajectories for different strength of gyro throws at different levels of 'charging'. Same thing for the use of his laser. There's a lot of thought involved in it: "Should I bounce it off the ground? At what angle? Should I shoot straight forward? Should I laser-> gyro, or vice versa? What about the platform, can I bait him with the gyro to jump onto the platform, and bounce the laser off of the ground at such a trajectory to hit him from below? These are just a few questions I ask myself while playing. How is that process any less thoughtful than running forward, SH with Marth, and F-air chain? Or dancing blade?
Someone who gets pleasure from pushing a button over and over should just turn the gane off and push the button. It'll save us some electricity, and green is the new black.
People don't get pleasure from pushing buttons. Effective campers get pleasure from seeing the 'traps' they laid out using their spammable attacks coming to fruition.
Seriously, by your logic torturing is ok because the one guy really likes to do it. Sure, the other guy would prefer to NOT be tortured, but since one of them is having a good ole time its all right.
Actually.... the word logic should not be used AT ALL in this statement. What you have presented is a logical fallacy, the 'Strawman Fallacy'; essentially dumbing down the oppositions argument to a simple base that can easily be refuted- making it as easy as a 'straw man' to topple. Doing so is illogical, and therefore makes the argument invalid. So, try again? Pls? Kthx.
Once again, I beat most of the campers I play. I just have substantially less fun. So I stopped playing them, and I propose other people do the same. Then after people get sick of getting disconnected EVERY MATCH because they camp, they'll stop. I play online for a little practice and to have fun.
This is a personal attitude, to which you are entitled to and am in no way suggesting that you aren't. But proposing that OTHERS change how they play, or who they play, just to get something to stop that YOU don't like is childish. Its no different than you not liking how one person in the game of tag is faster than you and always gets you, so you try to get all the other kids to stop playing with that kid. This is *not* a straw man fallacy, just to stop you before you try to use it against me, because it is essentially the same. Two trivial, essentially meaningless, GAMES- wherein the circumstances and outcomes are similar. Its a valid metaphor, if you will.
Online is a joke, and to camp online simply means you have no *****, and will die alone, simple as that.
Really? Personal insults? For shame. I thought we were adults here. I could very well say the same about people who: "Take online play so seriously that they want to limit how people play online because it makes them mad. Basically... they are loser 40 year olds who live in their mom's basement and live/eat/breathe smash and the internet culture as a whole- are unwashed, unkept, lack social skills, and will also die sad, alone, and with rampant, incurable acne.
Well, after the get disconnected seventy billion times, maybe they'll run into someone else who likes to camp. OR they could simply put something along the lines of, "Hey, I camp," in their profile so I know not to play them.
So, you expect them to let you in on their strategies? So, D3 and IC players should have tags that say "I chaingrab" or Marth players should have tags that say "Dancing blade is what I do... and of course F-air", or Fox players saying "All I do is drill, u-tilt"? That's just silly.
Yeah, but the thing is, when you camp back, they quit out the match. WHY? BECAUSE GETTING CAMPED ISN'T FUN. If everyone had to win every online match like it was the grand championship, all it would be would be people spamming ****ing projectiles, AND NO ONE WOULD HAVE FUN.
No, it has nothing to do with fun in the above example. It has everything to do with maturity level. If you can't take, then don't dish. If I get out-camped, then I simply say "gg" and commend the person on their play and sportsmanship- like mature, competent adults would. People who quit out of matches simply because they don't like the way it is being played by the opponent *seem* to be the type of people who whined and cried and threw a fit when they didn't get their way as a child. Again, that's just conjecture.
Furthermore, it can't be too much fun when I disconnect and they have to find someone else to play, and then they disconnect.
Again, asking TONS of people to change the way they go about playing just to sate your appetite for a super fast and action packed battle.
I don't see why they can't have fun shooting a computer over and over from across FD.
Same reason you can't have fun doing the same ol' combos on computers on FD.
The fact of the matter is, almost no one ENJOYS camping, and only do so to win, which is ridiculous when playing a FRIENDLY through a ****ty ONLINE SERVICE.
I enjoy camping. Its really rewarding to see my efforts of measuring distances, charge times, angles, and distances pay off.
If anyone does this, I'll find you and end your life with a claw hammer.
Any valid points you could have made are instantly negated by the blatant immaturity shown in that statement. Its silly. And, if you mean it- then for your own sake I suggest you enlist in anger management courses, or even seek psychiatric help.
Essentially, it all boils down to how people WANT to play. Some people don't mind campers, others do. 'Everyone' (in the 'social other' sense) loves combos because they are FLASHY, and they use the 'skill' argument to justify an otherwise baseless claim.
But, everyone is entitled to play how they want. If YOU want to d/c matches with campers, go ahead. If *I* want to camp, I will. But trying to recommend cutting out an entire style of play simply because you find it displeasing is ludicrous at best.
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