Don't just assume Luigi is better than Mario

[A2ZOMG]

Food for thought.

I'm not saying he isn't, but I get the impression most people on SWF immediately assume that Luigi is simply better than Mario.

From what I understand, most of the reason why people say Luigi is amazing is because his recovery is better, and he has better kill options. Yeah, you have that for the most part. However when you look at things carefully, those are really the only advantages Luigi has over Mario.

Mario by far is LEAGUES better at ledgeguarding than Luigi for a number of reasons. He has a better projectile for this. FLUDD stops people from grabbing the ledge aside from gimping some recoveries by itself, and he still has a Cape that can CAPE people effectively.

Mentioning the Cape, it's still an amazingly useful attack. It turns people around without stunning them. Great for punishing if you do it right. Also this attack makes Mario much better at dealing with projectile spam than Luigi. Luigi has nothing to help him deal with projectile spam. He's slower moving than Mario too, unless he's using the Luigi Cyclone, which doesn't cancel all projectiles.

Luigi's projectile is still godawful in Brawl. It still has like no range, and the horizontal trajectory actually makes it harder to hit people with Fireballs. Mario's projectile lost a little range, but it's setups got a lot better because Mario can follow behind his Fireball more easily. They still bounce on the ground which is good. Mario also got better at anti-ledgeguarding with Fireballs due to floaty physics and due to the increased rate at which he can toss them. Luigi still doesn't benefit this way at all in Brawl.

On a more minor note, but Luigi also doesn't have nearly as reliable of a meteor Smash as Mario.

Luigi and Mario otherwise are essentially the same in other fields. Both are rather good at juggling due to being low lag both on the ground and in the air, and they juggle in similar ways, by using U-tilts, U-airs, and B-airs.

When I take things in this perspective, I honestly don't think there is that big of a gap concerning how much better Luigi is than Mario.

 

[Ikepwnsyou]

has anyone noticed both luigi and mario got power downs? they arent as near as good as they were before! but i do agree with you. Luigi's Fsmash sux and his attacks just have no power. BUT he does have some use! I got picture of him using his attack where he closes his eyes, runs forward, and slaps the crap outta people, runnning away from a giant jiggilypuff! it looks like hes running for his life! xD

 

[Locuan]

First let me state that I am not being biased or any of that why? First of all, I don't use Mario so I have no ground to state that Luigi is better than Mario or vice-versa. What I am doing here is correcting you on some of the points that you stated in your post.

From what I understand, most of the reason why people say Luigi is amazing is because his recovery is better, and he has better kill options. Yeah, you have that for the most part. However when you look at things carefully, those are really the only advantages Luigi has over Mario.

Maybe people who don't know Luigi but if you talk to people who really know Luigi they will tell you that Luigi's aerials out-prioritize a lot of other characters moves when I mean a lot it's really to much.

Luigi has nothing to help him deal with projectile spam. He's slower moving than Mario too, unless he's using the Luigi Cyclone, which doesn't cancel all projectiles.

When all else fails dodge .

On a more minor note, but Luigi also doesn't have nearly as reliable of a meteor Smash as Mario.

It doesn't really matter, Luigi can WoP off stage with his Bair and due to his floatiness he can land two of his aerials (Bair, Fair, Uair) before he lands, therefore here we have a plus again for Luigi. Again Luigi has amazing aerials and he can combo really well with them.

Luigi's projectile is still godawful in Brawl.

Not really you can use Luigi's fireballs to your advantage and to approach your opponents as well, fireball (cancel your opponents move or stun) then Cyclone your way in. Or just stun your opponent and follow up with an attack. It has many variations.

Luigi's Fsmash sux and his attacks just have no power.

False Luigi's Fsmash is an amazing move that can KO decently. His attacks don't have much power but that is really a plus in my opinion because it allows Luigi to combo better and rack up damage on his opponent way faster and this way nailing a KO will be a sinch. Then just follow with a deadly Up B or a Usmash or an Fsmash or Dsmash just Bair him off the level. Yea a lot of possibilities to get a KO.

 

[Wildfire393]

Luigi's advantages over Mario:

*Much better kill potential.
*Nair aids juggling as well (also kills off the top very easily). Nair->Uair->Bair juggling is incredibly potent.
*Aerials have better priority
*Meteor-Smash is faster and easier to hit with, even if the meteor smash part of it is harder to pull off, the non-meteor hit can still cause a kill
*Much better recovery

Mario is one of my least favorite characters in the game. The FLUDD and Cape do very little to stop most people, as you can edge-grab backwards now and most people have vertical recoveries (FLUDD works against Bowser, DK, and... that's about it).

 

[A2ZOMG]

Maybe people who don't know Luigi but if you talk to people who really know Luigi they will tell you that Luigi's aerials out-prioritize a lot of other characters moves when I mean a lot it's really to much.

lol, yeah. Luigi counters Olimar because of that I heard lol.

It doesn't really matter, Luigi can WoP off stage with his Bair and due to his floatiness he can land two of his aerials (Bair, Fair, Uair) before he lands, therefore here we have a plus again for Luigi. Again Luigi has amazing aerials and he can combo really well with them.

Actually Mario is nearly as floaty as Luigi in Brawl. He can perform two aerials on 1 SH just like Luigi. He too has very good juggling combos with B-airs and U-airs.

Mario also has a Jab lock which can be activated by a well-placed N-air. Luigi doesn't.

Not really you can use Luigi's fireballs to your advantage and to approach your opponents as well, fireball (cancel your opponents move or stun) then Cyclone your way in. Or just stun your opponent and follow up with an attack. It has many variations.

I guess on really tall people. It takes much too long to SH Fireball with Luigi otherwise, and using projectiles on the ground almost always sucks. Mario has a much easier time doing these things, and his Fireballs go further.

Mario is one of my least favorite characters in the game. The FLUDD and Cape do very little to stop most people, as you can edge-grab backwards now and most people have vertical recoveries (FLUDD works against Bowser, DK, and... that's about it).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Uill9wgXQ4

And Luigi's D-air kills in Brawl? Never seen it do that honestly. <<

 

[Locuan]

Actually Mario is nearly as floaty as Luigi in Brawl. He can perform two aerials on 1 SH just like Luigi. He too has very good juggling combos with B-airs and U-airs.

Mario also has a Jab lock which can be activated by a well-placed N-air. Luigi doesn't.

Well I have to check that out really cause I dont really know

Luigi doesn't really need that Jab lock but that's why all characters have different play styles .

I guess on really tall people. It takes much too long to SH Fireball with Luigi otherwise, and using projectiles on the ground almost always sucks. Mario has a much easier time doing these things, and his Fireballs go further.

Actually in my opinion it's not really hard or it doesn't take to long really just start with a Fireball on the ground then SH Fireball so that if your opponent, if he jumps, will get hit by the second.

I would have to argue with you on "using the projectiles on the ground almost always sucks." which is not really true, here you have Snake and TL, Pit and many other characters who use projectiles on the ground successfully.

 

[Eten]

Mario can do around 1 and a half Bairs or uairs in a short hop.
Luigi can do 2 full ANY aerials in a short hop, and can even go 3x if he does a Fair Fair sex kick.

Mario has a good sex kick.
Luigi has the best sex kick in the game.
Mario has ok recovery.
Luigi has the second best non-multiple second jump recovery in the game(vertical/horizontal ratio and such, ROB's is best assuming no misfire).
Mario has good KO power and good range with Fsmash and such.
Luigi has VERY good KO power with less range with Fsmash, but also has EXTREME KO power with Firejumppunch, and KO power on Bair, Sex Kick, Dair, Green Missile, back throw, the rest of his smashes and uptilt.
Mario has a cape for projectiles.
Luigi can approach against many projectile based characters with Tornado(you can literally drive right into Olimar's over-B and smash attacks this way, and just keep using the tornado until you slide into olimar).
Mario can short-hop fireballs and annoy approaches
Luigi can just stand and spam green fireballs and annoy approaches(compare Mario's short hop fireball approach to luigi's green fireball then tornado approach)
Mario has a great priority bair
Luigi has a better priority bair

Both Mario and Luigi play in a similar manner
Characters that trouble Luigi also trouble Mario
Characters that are easy for Luigi are also easy for Mario
But hardly any match-up is just better for Mario than it is for Luigi
Instead, it's easy to find the complete opposite to be true for almost all match-ups, if not all

For example, against short characters Luigi has an easier time with short-hop approaches by using short-hopped Dairs into sex kicks, with ability to space themselves to avoid shield grabs. You can't say Mario has it that easy.

For every advantage Mario has, Luigi's got it and more.

 

[Mr. Escalator]

Luigi can pseudo lock with his fireballs.
From two to three hits.
It isn't much.
but it's something.

Its because the fireball only hits a certain range, and most can just DI back to get out of that range.
Actually... the main thing is that you can't just hit B over and over for it too work, the way its set up is that if you spam B once you lock them, the timing eventually gets messed up and the fireball goes over them.

This means, if you're technical enough it may be possible to time the launches perfectly and move forward slightly after two hits.

This would make a very strong, but hard to do, lock.
Wouldn't hurt to look into this.

edit: at the above poster...

Mario has an amazing edgeguarding game, and Luigi's edgegame pales in comparison.
This is where Mario shines.

 

[Chris Lionheart]

Edge-guarding is the only area where Mario far outshines Luigi. Mario has a very good F-Smash I'll give him that, but Luigi does as well.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Mario does like a lot better against Falco than Luigi IIRC.

You can't get past Falco's projectile spam with Luigi. You can at least keep it moderately in check with Mario's Cape and shiz.

Also almost nobody can ledgeguard Falco easily, except for Mario who has the FLUDD which can really mess up the positioning of those godforsaken Illusion attacks.

I'm gonna agree Luigi is overall more solid than Mario, but I just think Luigi has worse matchups against a few projectile spammers.

 

[Mr. Escalator]

Can't Luigi just duck and crab walk under Falco's laser?

 

[A2ZOMG]

And what are you going to do from a duck? D-tilt? <<

If ducking under lasers actually works with Mario/Luigi, you might as well let Falco approach you.

 

[Mr. Escalator]

I guess you could just wait it out.
But at least he has the option of making an approach.
You can do whatever the hell you feel like out of the crab walk.
Jump and fair if it floats your boat.

 

[surrepGuy]

I personally like both mario and luigi due to each of their own advantages. For those who think the fludd and cape aren't very good..then they don't know how to use them. But at the same time Luigi can chase opponents off the ledge and still recover easily. Mario has his own combos (like his bair to uair SH) and luigi seems to have better juggling combos. One thing that mario really has an advantage in (at least I think) is the dash attack even though dash attacks aren't really that significant. Each probably is more of a counter against certain characters and mastering both might potentially cover any opponent (just a thought).

Basically I agree with A2ZOMG that mario is good but so is luigi (relatively speaking)

 

[WIGI]

luigi's dairs DEFINATLY kill in brawl. watch my combo video. im pretty sure it shows most of luigi's potential. and he has the best spike in the game. that being the taunt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoSGsZGFvDM

yeahhhh. luigi dominates the air, mario no longer has a tornado recovery, the only thing he can double ariel is i think his up air.

luigis nair has literaly 0 lag.
up smash is a great K.O move.

this time around, luigi is better, people just have to start facing it.

 

[VEC]

I also choose Luigi over Mario, I have been playing Luigi since the 64 version. I liek Luigi better than mario because of his unique play style. Luigi has better aerials, combo capability, and up tilt. I just wish he had a better running A, and a not so abusable recovery.

 

[T-REX!]

Luigi has better approaches than Mario hands down from what I think. Luigi has way more reliable KO moves, being that they all come out at like a million miles an hour. Plus, he has a taunt spike. How beast can you get?

 

[alchfilosofer]

I also choose Luigi over Mario, I have been playing Luigi since the 64 version. I liek Luigi better than mario because of his unique play style. Luigi has better aerials, combo capability, and up tilt. I just wish he had a better running A, and a not so abusable recovery.

no offense, i do like mamaluigi over mario. but luigi is unique and is an presudo clon?

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

Weegee's better than Mario.

Deal with it.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Weegee's better than Mario.

Deal with it.

You missed the point of the topic.

Mario has a lot of things Luigi doesn't. The gap between how much better Luigi is than Mario isn't nearly as big as some people seem to think it is. Rather more accurately, there are several critical things Luigi does worse than Mario, and several critical things Mario does worse than Luigi. I explained these in my original post I think.

All this means rly is some matchups like vs Space Animals are more favorable for Mario as opposed to Luigi, but I never actually said Mario is better than Luigi.

Btw Mario's superior ledgeguarding and anti-camping is why he's better vs chars like space animals. Mainly I'm saying he's a completely separate character from Luigi that has his own effective strategies lol.

But yeah Luigi > Mario. XD

 

[GodotAA]

Mario has FLUDD which means auto win.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Mario is one of my least favorite characters in the game. The FLUDD and Cape do very little to stop most people, as you can edge-grab backwards now and most people have vertical recoveries (FLUDD works against Bowser, DK, and... that's about it).

And Ike, Lucas, Marth, Ness, Charizard, Olimar, ZSS, Samus, Ivysaur, Link, Toon Link, Ganondorf, Captain Falcon, Lucario and other Marios. The Cape and FLUDD combo works pretty with a decent amount of practice.

 

[Pure-???]

I like luigi more than mario because his aerials come out fast. If you chain some attacks together well, you won't need to edgegaurd.

 

[boss8]

lol at luigi being better then mario...they are both good......

 

[Dragnil]

you wouldn't really talk about this for any other character, just because luigi and mario come from the same place and are one of the almost clones doesn't mean they arent unique and anyway Didn't it use to be the other way around. (Don't just asume mario is better than luigi)

 

[boss8]

against certain characters.......i use luigi vs metaknight.....snake....deedeedee....etc...and mario for anyone else.....

 

[Camalange]

Well I own with luigi aerials so you don't need a strong meteor smash. Just knock em off the side of the stage, do a bunch of slaps, kicks, and they're gone. Then use your easy recovery and you got yourself a kill. (Luigi is great at pursuing an enemy) also when i use luigi, i dont fight on the ground too much, i set it up so i fight in the air. I'll usually just jump and attack instead of running straight at you because it's less predictable. In my opinion Luigi is better

 

[rehab]

Luigi has very fast airs with priority coming out the ears. He's at least easier to get better than average with than Mario is, the way I see it.

 

[bluebolt]

False Luigi's Fsmash is an amazing move that can KO decently. His attacks don't have much power but that is really a plus in my opinion because it allows Luigi to combo better and rack up damage on his opponent way faster and this way nailing a KO will be a sinch. Then just follow with a deadly Up B or a Usmash or an Fsmash or Dsmash just Bair him off the level. Yea a lot of possibilities to get a KO.[/b][/color][/QUOTE]

its even better in team brawls, as you friend can easily attack while your dancin'

 

[CluelessBTD]

I don't think Luigi can be chaingrabbed. If so, that is a huge advantage.

 

[Leprechaun_Drunk]

I don't think Luigi can be chaingrabbed. If so, that is a huge advantage.

yes he can. lol

 

[Fatmanonice]

I don't think Luigi can be chaingrabbed. If so, that is a huge advantage.

Uh, yes he can. For example, like Mario, King Dedede has a pseudo infinite on him.

 

[AlAxe]

Mario's advantages over Luigi pale in comparison to Luigi's advantages over Mario. Mario does have better fireballs and maybe a somewhat better edgeguard but that's pretty much it. Every single one of Luigi's aerials is better than Mario's same aerial. Luigi Tornado is so much more useful of a down b than FLUDD it's not even funny. Luigi's up b is so much more useful than mario's it's not even funny. In terms of smashes Luigi wins too. All come out quickly and all have fairly good KO potential; especially fsmash. In terms of edge guarding Mario might be slightly better but it's not like Luigi has a bad edge guard game. Mario does have a meteor spike with his fair but overall Luigi's fair is better. All in all Luigi is a high mid-high tier character while Mario is a low mid-low tier character. I main Luigi and almost never lose. I don't have trouble with any matchups. I'm yet to meet someone who can consistently beat my Luigi.

 

[Matador]

Mario can do around 1 and a half Bairs or uairs in a short hop.
Luigi can do 2 full ANY aerials in a short hop, and can even go 3x if he does a Fair Fair sex kick.

Mario has a good sex kick.
Luigi has the best sex kick in the game.
Mario has ok recovery.
Luigi has the second best non-multiple second jump recovery in the game(vertical/horizontal ratio and such, ROB's is best assuming no misfire).
Mario has good KO power and good range with Fsmash and such.
Luigi has VERY good KO power with less range with Fsmash, but also has EXTREME KO power with Firejumppunch, and KO power on Bair, Sex Kick, Dair, Green Missile, back throw, the rest of his smashes and uptilt.
Mario has a cape for projectiles.
Luigi can approach against many projectile based characters with Tornado(you can literally drive right into Olimar's over-B and smash attacks this way, and just keep using the tornado until you slide into olimar).
Mario can short-hop fireballs and annoy approaches
Luigi can just stand and spam green fireballs and annoy approaches(compare Mario's short hop fireball approach to luigi's green fireball then tornado approach)
Mario has a great priority bair
Luigi has a better priority bair

Both Mario and Luigi play in a similar manner
Characters that trouble Luigi also trouble Mario
Characters that are easy for Luigi are also easy for Mario
But hardly any match-up is just better for Mario than it is for Luigi
Instead, it's easy to find the complete opposite to be true for almost all match-ups, if not all

For example, against short characters Luigi has an easier time with short-hop approaches by using short-hopped Dairs into sex kicks, with ability to space themselves to avoid shield grabs. You can't say Mario has it that easy.

For every advantage Mario has, Luigi's got it and more.

Like A2ZOMG said, the only advantages that Luigi has on Mario are his recovery and KO potential. Mario's approach options are safer than Luigi's because of his better aerial mobility and fireballs. Luigi's tornado is fast, but is easy punished by anyone who knows how to shield grab or punish the ending lag. His edgeguarding is so much better that it actually makes up for his weakness in KOs (Which really isn't that much of a weakness either way). The priority on his attacks only contend with Mario's dair, which also has ridiculous priority (Can outprioritize MK's Tornado). I'm even willing to argue that Mario's recovery is about as good as Luigi's. Sure Luigi's covers more distance, but Mario's is much harder to gimp because of fireballs, cape, and his upB spikes.

I also want to know which matchups you're talking about.

 

[deadringers]

I dont assume luigi is better than mario i know that luigi is better than mario. His airgame is better his smashes are ridiculously good including his fsmash which kills all characters at 100% if you save it.Mario has a better projectile but no kill potential until 120-130% and a waste of a move slot in the form of Fludd. What Wigi said is right people have to realize Luigi is better.....

 

[Zema]

Luigi is like Captain Falcon and Mudkip...

Except better.

 

[SparkEd]

This really needs to be said now.

Attack/KO Power != Better Character

 

[The Dinkoman]

Luigi is like Captain Falcon and Mudkip...

Except better.

Luigi has the amazingness of Captain Falcon and Mudkip

AND!

The awsomness of Ridley Kirby.

Luigi = waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than mario

 

[Airwalkerr]

They shouldn't be compared. They arn't the same anymore. Mario is better at gimping, and has a dandy way to deal with projectiles. His edgeguarding is wonderful. Luigi has a high priority air game, better recovery, but weaker ground game. It just depends on how you play.

 

[Leprechaun_Drunk]

They shouldn't be compared. They arn't the same anymore. Mario is better at gimping, and has a dandy way to deal with projectiles. His edgeguarding is wonderful. Luigi has a high priority air game, better recovery, but weaker ground game. It just depends on how you play.

Luigi's ground game is definitely not weaker. Luigi's tornado is amazing on the ground, his U-tilt juggling game is better than Mario's, and he has sliding smashes (D-smash and U-smash).