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Yes, contrary arguments and perspectives exist outside the slanderous progressive echo chamber, you should entertain them if you're concerned about intellectual integrity.
Nah, that's not what I mean.
And pulling up hacks like Milo is akin to ****posting on a Yahoo page and is similar to stuff you see in /pol/. It drags down discussion and is not useful whatsoever.
An insult is not ad hominem if the argument has already been establish. "Now that I have established 1 + 1 = 2, I'm going to call you a crazy ****** for failing to provide a valid counterargument while refusing to accept reality"--not a fallacy. In fact it is you, ARISTOS, being the fallacious one in attempting to softly discredit an opposing perspective (which you graciously failed to link) by accusing them of utilizing ad hominem. The ad hominem fallacy fallacy!
"****" is not an argument. Do you need me to spoon-feed you a bit of research? Couldn't find anything on Reddit? I doubt you even bothered.
Again, calling somebody is "hack" (actual ad hominem! Well done!) and/or naming stigmatized websites--not an argument.
How laughably pretentious.
You believe the uprise of terrorism is a mere hyperbole? Forgive me if I am taking your claim out of proportion, but it's foolish to think that terrorism is something that we can simply "get through." There is no reasonable argument as to insisting it is okay for these attacks to continue happening without taking preliminary actions, and just "getting through it." Under the authority of Obama, we have not done anything major (or at least effective) to put a stop to these occurrences, and Hillary will likely oblige to the same precedent. Who's to say the next terrorist attack will not be as drastic as 9/11?
What methods or regulations pertaining to gun violence would you consider acceptable? The government cannot simply decree a ban on the possession of firearms together, unless it is intending to abolish the second amendment.
That is where the ulterior issue lies; we did not do something sooner, so it leaves us no choice. It is not racist to protect our country. Race is inherent, but so should be protecting our people. We need time to figure out what is going on and develop better methods as to screening out the people determined to harm us.
You say it is 100% false, but elaborate to say that doing nothing is sometimes the right option. If there were terrorist attacks occurring ubiquitously in the United States and every other weekend, I am sure your proposition would falter. Do you still believe there is an effective alternative to not fighting back? Concerning groups like ISIS, it has been made evident there is no chance for "making peace." They are iniquitous people and resorting to "doing nothing" is absurd.
It pains me to address this. If Trump was doing this for the fame and publicity of it, trust me, he would change his views to appeal to the general populous.
If I could like this a hundred times, I would.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDYiM--TrbY
lol
Strawman. I didn't say Obama should be -solely- credited with Laden's demise. If we want to be totally accurate then Bush's administration is just as guilty for allowing ISIL to become what it is today due to the power void left in Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom (which we should have never started to begin with, but that's another topic). No, point was that Obama can in fact take credit for being president during the successful end of bin Laden and his entire terrorist organization which has been all but demolished. ISIL is now the biggest and most real threat to "world peace," and it's NOT due to Obama's administration, but Bush's. Since he's literally only a few months from being gone, there's nothing he can do realistically except set the next administration up as well as possible to continue the fight.
We cannot have closed borders. This is America. We are the one nation in the world where everyone deserves a chance to take a slice of the American Dream and turn it into their own Pie. If we're to take the issue seriously, we have to first understand this, and stop wasting precious time even considering the possibility that closing our borders to immigration will somehow magically stop malcontents from entering. Trust me. If a person or persons want to do some damage here in the US, they will. Regardless of what safeguards are in place. We lack the technology to read people's minds and intentions. This isn't some science fiction state where we know who will commit crimes before they happen. All we can do is take better steps to ensure public safety. If you want to tie this in to the Orlando shooting (which is an -isolated- incident) then we should look at why there wasn't better security at the establishment itself. I've been to plenty of night clubs where you definitely couldn't get in with so much as a Swiss Army Knife, let alone packing guns and ammunition.
Let's avoid snark. If you wish to challenge an opposing view, then demonstrate why it's wrong through citation. Thanks.
There's a reason why Milo gets banned half the time. His ideas aren't only unpopular, they're hateful, and insight riots. Not exactly the best use of sources, guy.
Again, we can't just arbitrarily decide who can stay and who can go, or who can come in and who can't. It's not tenable. We have to remain consistent with our own Constitution. We have a legacy to uphold. If you're suggesting we restructure the US Constitution with an amendment countering the 1st amendment's protective clause re: religion, this is probably the only suggestion that would work to confine our borders in the way you're imagining. But it's a slippery slope. All religions are okay except, what, Islam? Or "Radical" Islam. It'll never happen.
I'll agree Trump would gladly reduce welfare programs in this country. The unfortunate result would be streets full of homeless people. Not that we don't already have a lot of homeless. But I can't accept that adding millions more, literally, would be somehow better. It's obvious what has to happen. Taxes needing to be increased on top level earners. Did you read Bernie Sander's tax return? Or Obama's or Hillary's? They all are in the same boat. They earn way more than normal Americans, and pay -less- taxes. This is a system that's bound to lead to hatred of welfare recipients.
A post doesn't need to specifically include "Donald Trump" to be relevant to his campaign.
You weasel!
<insert anything> because America.
EVERYONE?!
I see! So enforcing borders does absolutely nothing! The assumed efficacy of deporting illegal immigrants versus systematically enabling them is just magical thinking! There's actually no difference! TRUST ME!
That's absolutely unnecessary. Simply heed a psycho's words and actions ahead of time instead of claiming to be helpless in hindsight. It isn't difficult to identify a threat before something happens.
- Omar Mateen called 911 during his attack to pledge allegiance to ISIS and pray to Allah. Isolated!
"Okay... getting a bit derailed here" -Sucumbio
Must I repeat myself?
News flash--deciding who can stay and who must go is a fundamental aspect of any community, it's called "having standards". It's an immigrants job to meet our standards if they wish to live here, not the other way around.
A legacy of being overrun by terrorists?
Oh yes, I'm sure the original intent of the constitution was to protect the "freedom of speech" of foreign nationals seeking to destroy it. Give me a break. Progressives only invoke the constitution when it's convenient.
Let's agree that the sky is blue while we're at it...
The term is "americunts".
Well, cause it's obvious? "Obama" = "Obama's Administration." You weren't thinking I was praising Obama for strapping on a six guns and drawing down on the bearded foe in person, were you? That is the point, though. Al Q's leader was finally got, but people want to sit around and act like Obama's wasted the last 8 years. All because now within literal weeks of his term's end when there's nothing more he can do, one mentally challenged and potentially closeted homosexual shoots up a gay night club, but Obama and Progressives are "weak" on terrorism? Please.
Because it seems I have to restate the obvious with you. Anyone who's taken US History knows how this country came to be. Immigration. Since there's no denying that, to hold some facile opinion that it won't work anymore is basically trying to contradict how America was founded. Call 'em oranges, already.
If that is how you read it, then you are cynical. Yes, anyone in the world has the right to attempt citizenship in the US. It's not guaranteed, obviously. But then again, it's not the first step a lot of the time. Work Visas and such. If you come here to work, then you live here. If you live here, then yes, you should have a say in the political landscape. But no, you won't find droves of immigrants purposefully coming here to somehow usurp or undermine the "white" way of life (racist, much?).
And, there you have it. Your entire stance, poised atop a pinnacle of outrageous fear mongering and nonsensical conspiracy theory. Truly, you had me at "debauchery."
I see. So, for instance, my grandfather who fled China during the communist takeover, and who grew up in a pig farming village in Canton, didn't make his way to Boston where he'd be educated and work as an engineer for Raytheon. Or his wife and her sister who also fled communist China and went to work for the State Department at the Boston Naval Shipyard during WWII. Or his daughter, a true 1st generation ABC, graduated MFA, Tufts University.
Yeah, pretty much. I mean, except for all the obvious racism. Foreigners aren't questionable by -default-. Wearing a turban on your head doesn't immediately mean 9/11 attacker or Marathon Bomber. If we thought that way all the time, we'd have to kill ourselves, since how many white anglo-saxon protestants commit crime? I mean, really, there's no basis for racism, there never is. It's just close-minded thinking and irrational fear.
... and Al-Nusra. They aren't the same, actually, quite different. Meaning he was all over the place. Not to mention none of the -actual- ISIS leaders have taken credit. If someone goes and kills a bunch of people while screaming "FOR ISIS!" that doesn't make them part of the ISIS agenda.
No, just irrelevant to the debate as a whole.
I get it, you think because he said he's doing it for the good seats in Muslim Heaven then all Muslims should be punished as a result. Good thing you're not running for president!
Someone like Mateen. Let's just change his last name to McVeigh. That's what the slippery slope is. I understand you want to cure the cold by cutting off the head but for every time succeed in stopping one person preemptively through such horrible tactics as racial profiling, we're cutting our noses to spite our face.
No, they just dropped the ball, and even they've admitted it.
Hey, you brought him up. I was merely pointing out just how not-supported by Republicans he was.
Sucumbio
, the self-destructive nature of unrequited sentimentality will eventually become quite apparent. Then you'll finally understand the price paid for all those politically correct social justice brownie points.
Think I might have understated myself. Stopping security threats is a very big deal; I simply don't think it should come with breaking core values. We're a nation of immigrants who pride themselves not only on the 2nd Amendment, but the 1st one as well. I haven't read much in regards to defense budgets but I don't see how Obama has done nothing to stop terrorist occurrences.
TBH if I was in charge guns would be banned tomorrow. But I understand the importance of guns in different parts of American life. I think it's a privilege we've proven unworthy of time and time again.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/
It's not, "fight back or not fight back". There are numerous shades of gray, strategical approaches, etc. to dealing with the crisis. Again, what is dangerous is choosing the wrong option. I agree that something needs to be done- I was simply arguing against the absolute statement that it is better to do something than to do nothing.
I'm going to have to just vehemently disagree with your first stance. The manner in which you say something has a profound impact on whether or not things get done. There are solid Latino groups that agree with improving the immigration system and preventing illegal immigration/cutting down on the amount already here, but Trump's rhetoric has been so toxic it has vehemently energized their base to register to vote against him in record numbers. Rhetoric counts.
Sucumbio
, but avoiding contrary ideas on the basis of slanderous virtue signalling is an admission of bigotry. As Aristotle once said--"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it".
FlusteredBat
, do you even know any poor people? Because I do.
Have you heard of the "welfare cliff"?
I must have missed the part where we talked about cuisine inequality.
Actually pay attention and you'll realize that the people who oppose welfare want to raise the standards of poorer neighborhoods, not lock them into crippling dependency and/or enable their worst impulses.
Hey, Mew, who do you think will suffer the most when the economy collapses? Where do you think the government's money comes from? Do you know what hyperinflation is?
I sure do, and they're the most dishonest, lazy, screwed up, insufferable people I've ever met. Are we done with meaningless anecdotes?Real question,
First of all: Intelligence is subjective. It's a social construct. Just like beauty or race, it can mean something completely different depending on who you ask. An IQ test only measures one type of intelligence out of them. IQ test are not an accurate way to measure the capacity of the human brain. More and more research shows that our IQ test arenot very good at its job and is in bad need of a redesign. Overall, I think using such a controversial and shaky science like this to "prove" people of third world countries are beneath us (because that is as sure as hell what it sounds like to me) is a poor choice.
I agree, it's impossible to debate you if you believe that on some fundamental level "3rd world" inhabitants are on average, dumber than the rest of us, and so therefore, not worth allowing to live here.
Islam isn't a political belief system. It's a religion. What you're referring to is RADICAL Islam. Islam itself is protected by the 1st amendment the same as Christianity. And no immigrant should be denied access to the US based solely on their religious beliefs.
Innocent people die every day. How many innocent people die of gun violence in other countries compared to the US? And what does immigration have to do with the fact that there's just too many guns in the US?
Uh, yah. Believing yourself better than someone else by virtue of skin color alone is racist. "I may be ______, but at least I'm not black." If you're white, well, you've never felt the sting of being a minority. So how could know what it's like?
The progressive media always conflates white pride with white supremacy. Point me to a single mainstream article which celebrates white pride.
Reasonably simple to understand. If you make more money / get more benefits from not working or searching for employment, then why look for a job? I had plenty of friends from high school in that position.
Why do you believe these two things are mutually exclusive? Government aid is paid for by taxes, after all. Taxes in most places are absolutely insane and will probably get higher, especially as employers are responsible for a lot of the benefits, financially.
*shrugs*Real question,
I live in Memphis, the poorest metropolitan city in the United States. For the most part, poor people are hard working tax payers just like everyone else. The truth is blue collar jobs can't support families like they used to, this has nothing to do with people's work ethic.
Y2Kay
.*raises hand*
You...can't possibly believe that.
Yeeaaahhh....what?
http://www.jbhe.com/features/53_SAT.html
Interesting topic that should probably get it's own forum topic. Be careful about using immigrant groups, as they are mixed demographics, with some being of low status while others coming from wealth and education.
For the most part, I did; Irish, Italian, and Asian (though this term is obviously vague) immigrants, when it was happening, were comparable when talking about Civil War and Railroader eras. German immigrants, as a counter example, from that same time period typically came with more wealth and as such could move more inward to fertile midwest farmland over staying in whatever city you arrived in.
No, I would say that that's a not entirely accurate generalization of an incredibly complex issue, nor do I agree with "among African Americans" as much as I would "Urban", as the mass migration to cities (and said cities current decline) is a significant historical, economic, and cultural component that don't exist (generalization) with more rural African American communities. It would not be unreasonable, I would say, to assert that that migration tied the health of the community to the health of the cities themselves.
Same as the census data collected at most jobs. The one where you check a box White, Hispanic, African American, Asian/Pacific Islander, Other. If you check White, then you're not a minority. As to someone who checks that White box being subjected to the same level of racism as the other categories, by their own White constituents.... I can't think of a single instance that's been the case, but I'm open to correction. Really I think it's plain and simple. If you're White, you just don't really know what it's like to be black.
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Anyone who voted for Hillary gets no sympathy from me
Woah nice to see you Venus, been a long time. We miss you!
I pay both Japanese and US taxes and even though there's sometimes stories of american soldiers ******/killing locals, I appreciate them being stationed here to serve as a threat to N. Korea. Japan's Constituion, which was drafted by the Americans, states Japan cannot have an army. The only people wanting to change this amendment are the right wing nationalist who believe they have the right to govern China and Korea. The kind who seem foreigners in Japan like me as an eyesore and a problem. Trump knows very little about global policy and judging from the friends and people I have made around the world and the connections I have, America is the global laughing stock just like how the U.K. was during Brexit.Anyone who voted for Hillary gets no sympathy from me
Seriously, do you really think the US could even afford to keep funding its military along Obama's catastrophic trajectory? That psycho witch Hillary was poised to permanently cripple any semblance of prosperity for her own personal gain. Get your hands out of other people's pockets and recognize that the world is not entitled to the goddamn slave labour of US taxpayers. Take some freaking responsibility.
Yeah, I've been pretty busy changing jobs, moving, and helping my in laws out. There house was severely damage done in the Kumamoto earthquakes so We've been going to help out periodically. I've been struggling about making a post about being the only democrat in a 20+ member family who are either alt-right or close to alt-right. My dad apparently wants to see dismantlement of the liberal news media and see Fox News elevated as the official State news. I told him that's censorship and toltarian and he said that's progress.
Does that have anything to do with my contention? Nope. Progressives never shut-up about guilt and reparations, though it's only ever applied to whites because they're the ones most likely to cough up free stuff. "Give me a break" as Trump would say.
This election you really needed to pay more attention than usual in order to make an informed decision, for instance I'm sure you had no Idea that you voted for a blood ritual occultist with ties to child sex trafficking rings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9itWsqzFMVo
