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Does smash need money to be competitive?

Stiltzskin

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First off, I know everyone will not agree with this idea. This idea is meant to appeal to the players who play this game for fun, for the competition, and for the friendships they've made through this game, be it melee or brawl. If money is the biggest factor for you to be in competitive gaming, then please be gentle with the criticism.

Anyways my point is, I don't believe money should be the governing force for gaming tournaments. Yes I know, the world is run by money. But that doesn't justify why so many players give monthly, almost weekly, allowances to the same few players time and time again. Back before I was a washed up veteran in brawl, I was a nobody in melee. I got into the scene towards the end of melee's run, entered a few tournaments and lost every one of them. I began questioning why I continued to give my money to the same players over and over. I've asked the same question to other players in the same situation, a majority telling me they entered to test their skills, to have fun, or simply because that's how it has always been. I always ask the follow up question, "Don't you get the same thing out of friendlies?" The majority always answers, "People don't play the same unless money is on the line." Once again, the factor of money rears its ugly head. People are being forced to pay others just to get an enjoyable competitive experience.

I'm not just familiar with the losing money side of tournaments. Before I was a washed up veteran in brawl and after I was a nobody in melee, I placed pretty well in tournaments and won my fair share of money. I'll admit, it feels great being handed a big stack of twenties, but it doesn't justify me taking money from others just because I was better at pressing plastic buttons faster and more accurately. Some players may find it justified since I'm sure you can make any process of attaining money sound just as mundane. But I want the players who aren't used to receiving a weekly allowance at the expense of other players to ask themselves, "How do I feel knowing the five or ten dollars I pay every week goes towards another players car notes, bills, clothes, etc?"

I'd like to provide an example. I enjoy the game of basketball. I enjoy it so much, that I can get quite competitive in it. Am I good? No. Does that stop me from being competitive amongst my friends and having a good time with it? No, it does not. Me and my friends play quite a few pick-up games. Money is never on the line, yet each of us is trying our hardest to win the game. As impossible as this sounds to some smash players, this is an instance in which people are being competitive in something to the point of trying with all of their will without being motivated by the idea of monetary gain. The point I'm trying to prove is, money does not have to be on the line for a player to try with all of their will to beat another player. Money does not breed competition. I will admit it is a very good catalyst, but it is not a necessary one.

The idea of a free tournament is not an entirely new one. In fact, I've witnessed much of the Houston scene have many tournaments like this but masking it with the entry fee of one or two dollars. Do the players really have that much to gain if they win the pot? No. But they still try their hardest since they want to prove they're the best. Or maybe they just want to have fun, either way money isn't the governing force.

I'm not the "all talk and no action" kind of guy so that is why I will be holding a tournament of this nature in the near future. Of course there will be a venue fee, but players will not have to dread the thought of giving up an additional ten or fifteen dollars. I would prefer it if the results of my tourney would be treated just the same as any other tourney's results, but I would understand if it wasn't since my tourney would be missing the "important" factor of money being the governing force. The reason I ask for my tourney results to be treated like any other is so the participants still feel that pressure of competition; that their ranking amongst other players is still on the line. That way the sense of fun players get from being in a competitive environment isn't lost. Not to mention this would solve the splitting problem so many people have complained about.

In the end, each player must evaluate their own reasons for playing a video game competitively, much less play a video game. Personally for me, it is a temporary escape from the problems (lack of money, college, work, etc.) of my life. A chance to be competitive at something that I enjoy. Why would I want to taint my escape from these problems with the very thing that causes the problems in my life in the first place?

Discuss.
 

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If you're not playing for something, you don't know it's competitive. Unless people switched over to playing for reputation, you'd never know that your opponent was giving you his best.

That's what competition is for: Getting better by fighting people giving it their best.

A tournament is a situation that allows each entrant the ability to play people who are obligated to try. Strictly speaking, you can't make people give thei best, but you can obligate them not to sandbag - to play at least better than you, if they can.

As a secondary bonus, the top finishers win the pot, repaying them for showing the rest of us noobs how to do it. Also, so that they can (in theory) take the money and go to state. Or national. Or international competitions, and step up to where their skill level lies.


If you hold an event without a pot prize, you don't have a tournament. You have a "Smash weekly with a venue fee and structured play." And there's a place for that. But it's not a professional event, and (for the purpose of, say, on-going character rankings), "the field" that turns up to your event cannot be treated as having competitive caliber.

Good question. But the answer must be yes.
 

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Yeah but what about other tournaments like sports where instead of playing for cash, you played for trophies. I'd love to win a Smash trophy some time. Something that I could display and show my kids and point out to company. If I win cash I pay my bills with it and the results disappear after so many years and you have only the fact that you know you did well.

It doesn't have to be a cash payout to have a tournament. You just have to win something for it to be a tournament.
 

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I have to say this. It is usually only 10-15 dollars. That is really not a lot of money to be worried about. Consider a part time job if you don't already have one?

I feel you though. I hate how people won't get serious unless money is on the line.
 

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Smash doesn't need money to be competitive. No.

By simply running a rank format for a circuit of tournaments, you can instantly give players something to play for. The prize money is there to help compensate players who travel far and wide for tournaments.

Can't expect someone like Mew2King to travel across the country when there's no money at the end of the day to help pay for something like that.
 

Stiltzskin

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Smash doesn't need money to be competitive. No.

By simply running a rank format for a circuit of tournaments, you can instantly give players something to play for. The prize money is there to help compensate players who travel far and wide for tournaments.

Can't expect someone like Mew2King to travel across the country when there's no money at the end of the day to help pay for something like that.
My thoughts exactly. The players must ask themselves if they are willing to pay another player to come to their area to win an obscene amount of money. If it was up to me, I wouldn't do it.

If you're a player that has to travel far and wide just to attend a ranking tournament, then you can't expect others to pay for you even if you are the best player. That's just selfish.

I have to say this. It is usually only 10-15 dollars. That is really not a lot of money to be worried about. Consider a part time job if you don't already have one?
If you frequent tournaments, then that 10-15 dollars every tourney adds up quickly.

Yeah but what about other tournaments like sports where instead of playing for cash, you played for trophies. I'd love to win a Smash trophy some time. Something that I could display and show my kids and point out to company. If I win cash I pay my bills with it and the results disappear after so many years and you have only the fact that you know you did well.

It doesn't have to be a cash payout to have a tournament. You just have to win something for it to be a tournament.
The "trophy" one would receive would be respect and recognition from amongst his/her peers. People don't forget tournament winners. Our current tournament scene proves that. People aren't receiving trophies, just money that eventually dissipates as you said. Yet their victories are remembered and used in their city or state wide ranking systems.
 

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Stiltzkin said:
My thoughts exactly. The players must ask themselves if they are willing to pay another player to come to their area to win an obscene amount of money. If it was up to me, I wouldn't do it.
I would. If that's the price I have to pay for an opportunity to improve and play the best, I can handle that.

EDIT: Although I understand what you're saying, and obviously if there's a lower price I can pay instead I'm gonna go with that XD
 

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I would be down for this.

It's very hard to imagine a tournament where you don't pay an extra 10 or 15 at the door, but it's still worth a few tries. The only thing that would hinder this from working is if no one supports it or at least tries it.

Yes, it costs a good deal of money to travel OOS for a tournament, but it's irresponsible to get it all back IMO. It teaches you to spend wisely and save the money you earn if you aren't going to win it all back and then some. One shouldn't be able to go to a OOS tourney if they decided a week prior that they want to go and haven't properly saved for it.

In conclusion: let's at least try running a tourney where the root of all evil isn't the deciding factor.
 

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I think it would be a great idea for smaller tournament series to be free of fees and all that, and then have one monthly tournament with a little bit pricier entry fee than to have ot pay at every tournament.

If it counts towards rank, people will still be competitive about it (well, many will), so we still get the good matches. At these smaller events if people really want to they can line their pockets via money matches.

I mean, it's all well and good to charge at everything for now, but mots of the people don't win anything ever, so they're just losing money at every one of these tournaments, meaning their attendance will decrease.
 

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I think everyone who goes to tournaments gets their money's worth (unless the tournament host sucks). I just paid $13 the other day to see Monsters vs Aliens 3D...the movie lasted an hour and a half (and I paid for my GF + got us popcorn/drinks and my grand total lost for roughly 1.5-2 hours (with previews) of entertainment was $34-not cheap, we only go the movies once every month or two now cause it got so expensive). With tournaments you get a nice variety. I would say standard is $10 singles, $10 doubles, and $5 entry. So $25 for like 12 hours of Smash is not bad in the scheme of things. If this is to much for you there are of course the biweeklies that get held with usually just $5 for singles and $5 for doubles and no venue fee. These types of tournaments usually grab a few more players as well, and its like $10 for 12 hours of playing.

In the end its all about the experience. I also like playing when money is on the line. It adds to the thrill of everything.
 

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Many smashers are too widespread to just play for fun. If money is on the line, the more competition that will come making it more competitive, regardless if people only do their best if money is on the line or not.
 

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I think everyone who goes to tournaments gets their money's worth (unless the tournament host sucks). I just paid $13 the other day to see Monsters vs Aliens 3D...the movie lasted an hour and a half (and I paid for my GF + got us popcorn/drinks and my grand total lost for roughly 1.5-2 hours (with previews) of entertainment was $34-not cheap, we only go the movies once every month or two now cause it got so expensive). With tournaments you get a nice variety. I would say standard is $10 singles, $10 doubles, and $5 entry. So $25 for like 12 hours of Smash is not bad in the scheme of things. If this is to much for you there are of course the biweeklies that get held with usually just $5 for singles and $5 for doubles and no venue fee. These types of tournaments usually grab a few more players as well, and its like $10 for 12 hours of playing.

In the end its all about the experience. I also like playing when money is on the line. It adds to the thrill of everything.
Imagine if you hadn't paid the $21 for drinks and popcorn. You have just made your experience half the price without buying expensive foods that are detrimental towards your health anyways. That's the type of tournaments I want to provide. I want to provide a tournament that gives players the same competitive atmosphere, without being detrimental towards their wallets. For many players that $10 pot fee is just another expense they have to deal with that they would rather not have to pay.

I'm not just complaining about the cost issues of tournaments. I've helped many players realize that the pot fee they pay every tourney is basically an allowance they pay to the same players over and over. A few players are fine with this (a majority being top players), but the majority of players aren't too happy with this. When it comes down to it, smash is just a hobby. Why are players paying obscene amounts of money to players who just happen to spend more time/be better at this hobby?

I agree that $10 to $25 dollars isn't that much for a 12 hour smash experience. But many people like to know where their money is going, and that's where the problem starts. I have no objections to you wanting money to be on the line for a more competitive experience. It's just many players do not need this added motivation. Why are they having to accomodate for other players that need this added motivation? Because currently they have no other choice. I want to change that.
 

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Also, so that they can (in theory) take the money and go to state. Or national. Or international competitions, and step up to where their skill level lies.
This. All the money I've ever won from smash has always gone towards getting myself to more tournaments :)

Not having money in tournaments wouldn't work on a national level. People get better by playing other good people, and alot of the good people wouldn't be able to afford travelling around the country if it wasn't for the payout. Also, being able to just say "**** it, I just won a bunch of money, so I'm going to X tournament thats four states and just a couple days away" is a super awesome feeling.

On a local level, free tournaments would probly work. Like having them at biweeklies, it would give players the time to mess around and perhaps try out stuff that they wouldn't want to risk when theres a couple hundred bucks on the line.

I'm interested in trying it out, I'll try to make it to any tournies that you run :)
 

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This. All the money I've ever won from smash has always gone towards getting myself to more tournaments :)

Not having money in tournaments wouldn't work on a national level. People get better by playing other good people, and alot of the good people wouldn't be able to afford travelling around the country if it wasn't for the payout. Also, being able to just say "**** it, I just won a bunch of money, so I'm going to X tournament thats four states and just a couple days away" is a super awesome feeling.

On a local level, free tournaments would probly work. Like having them at biweeklies, it would give players the time to mess around and perhaps try out stuff that they wouldn't want to risk when theres a couple hundred bucks on the line.

I'm interested in trying it out, I'll try to make it to any tournies that you run :)
My thoughts exactly.
 

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This. All the money I've ever won from smash has always gone towards getting myself to more tournaments :)

Not having money in tournaments wouldn't work on a national level. People get better by playing other good people, and alot of the good people wouldn't be able to afford travelling around the country if it wasn't for the payout. Also, being able to just say "**** it, I just won a bunch of money, so I'm going to X tournament thats four states and just a couple days away" is a super awesome feeling.
Is that super awesome feeling still there when you realize the money you use to travel to other tournaments comes out of the pockets of other players? I can respect you're reason for playing in money tournaments, but the fact that it comes at the expense of other players' pockets makes it wrong to me. Of course, if players are alright with this then I really don't have an argument. What I hope to do is make these players who never win money realize what exactly is happening to their money. Do they find it justified that the money they spent for a competitive, fun environment is going towards your pleasure?

On a local level, free tournaments would probly work. Like having them at biweeklies, it would give players the time to mess around and perhaps try out stuff that they wouldn't want to risk when theres a couple hundred bucks on the line.
This is what I want to avoid. I want players to compete at their best even without money on the line. Of course, if their rank and reputation aren't that important to them then I have no problem with them messing around in a tournament.

Anyways, thanks for your support, Seth. I appreciate it.
 

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You are not forced to enter a tournament. How can you feel bad about money people willingly spent? You are not stealing from them, not even close. Especially considering they also have a chance at winning it.
 

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Yeah last time i went to a smash tournament the money just walked out of my wallet and I had no control whatsoever over myself nor did I have any clue what the money was going towards, curse you Jason!!

If people don't want to spend money then they don't have to enter, you're paying for a shot at the cash and the entertainment. Saying the winner is stealing is dumb because people putting their money in know what they're doing unless they're dumb or something.
 

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You are not forced to enter a tournament. How can you feel bad about money people willingly spent? You are not stealing from them, not even close. Especially considering they also have a chance at winning it.
When people don't have a choice in free tournaments or money tournaments, they are essentially "forced" to join a money tournament if they want to enjoy a tournament experience. That is why I want to give players that choice.

I never said steal.

Yeah, telling people they are wrong for using other people's money is stupid.
I apologize, I should've clarified that I believe it's wrong when players are essentially "forced" to pay money towards other players due to the only choice in tournaments being money tournaments. I don't believe it's wrong when players enter these tourneys with the intent of winning the money.

Yeah last time i went to a smash tournament the money just walked out of my wallet and I had no control whatsoever over myself nor did I have any clue what the money was going towards, curse you Jason!!

If people don't want to spend money then they don't have to enter, you're paying for a shot at the cash and the entertainment. Saying the winner is stealing is dumb because people putting their money in know what they're doing unless they're dumb or something.
As humorous as this post was, please stay on topic. Thank you for summarizing Hylian's and KevinM's posts.
 

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I think there should be a good balance between money tournaments and free ones, actually. The free ones will encourage new local players to have a taste of the game and maybe even start liking it. The more proffesional ones will keep the upper scene active.

I think right now if we ever want the smash scene to last, we have to be less restrictive, a bit more welcoming and more open to new players. A tight group of people competing at very high levels for money is cool and everything, but its intimidating for anyone who isn't part of the group. I know because when I got into melee again after brawl, everything was telling me to just stop playing it as it was probably the most frustrating thing I have ever tried... the only thing keeping me playing were my connections with some of the people.
 

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I'm too broke to go to tourneys constantly =[
But every time I do go, those 15-25 dollars i spend are worth every penny man. The Smash community is awesome and the competitive atmosphere just make things so much better. As much as i would like free tourneys at the same time I wouldn't. Smashers would have nothing to strive for. Look to put it simple you know what your paying for. You made the decision to give your money to the venue and pay to enter a tournament. You are never forced to enter a tourney. The only thing i wish for is they slash the prices on venue and singles, but even if they don't i will continue to save my 15-25 dollars to go to the next smash tourney whether it goes to Jason or not, I knew where my money had the possibility of going and i still spent it. It's your money do whatever you want with it =D
 

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People don't always go to the tournament to win, sure it's in the back of their mind 'dude wouldn't it be sweet if I won' but me and my friends happily will dish out a few $ just to see how we stack up. Get some more experience, and maybe make new friends, new opponents, and just altogether get better at the game.

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking of people here, in all reality it's not money which is the driving factor, smash is not a job, you practice, you learn your character you learn your matchups, you find ways around your short-comings, you get confident and you want to go to a tournament and find out how good you really are. In most cases you come up shorter than you would have liked, but that is necessary, it keeps you humble, keeps you hungry.

If you go to a tournament in hopes of winning, and fail to do so, then return home broken and sad and quit the game, make excuses about how they have no lives, or their character is better than yours, or they did something cheap, then really you just need to grow up. If you enjoy the game and you want to be the best, it isn't just going to fall into your lap.

The rules, the entree fee's, the quality of players can all be easily researched before you even step foot into the venue. You know exactly what you're doing when you do it, if you've come to the tourney completely diluted about your prowess in the game, then I'd say it's worth 10$ to get knocked down a peg. Not to mention all that is included in the smash tournament scene (the epic moments, the people, the final matches coming down to the wire and everyone being on the tips of their toes to try and see over everyone else to get a look at the results).

As far as the money goes in the smash competitive scene, it's no different than anything else, it's a competition with rewards for being the best, for crafting your art and honing your skills and displaying them for everyone else to see and marvel at. No one should ever feel bad for winning a tournament, because you're not responsible for the actions of anyone but yourself. If some scrub wants to throw 10$ down and get's knocked out in his first two matches, that was his decision, you live and you learn and that's how you advance in life, that's how you become a more experienced person. At that point you can handle your defeat one of two ways, you can resolve yourself to admitting you're not as good as you thought you were, go home and practice, watch videos, learn up on the match ups, learn the advance techs, really put work into your character and hope to do better next time. Or you can john, quit the game, seek comfort by finding other who share your johns, and lie yourself into blissful ignorance, in which people tend to make stupid comments on youtube video's.
 

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Wow, amazing post. ^

The Smash Bros community is large enough to survive casually, maybe even host Tournaments for charities and fun.

But, money encourages more people to sign up and take it more seriously. It's a motivational thing.

Sure winning money is awesome, but most people enter knowing they won't make it into top 3. But they go anyways, because they have such a profound love for the game.

Besides, you get better, meet new friends, and discover new experiences. Who wouldn't want to go? Money isn't even the main priority for the majority of Smashers. Having fun and placing well is.
 

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would sponsored tournaments be a case of this topic? IE gamestop doing their SFIV or brawl thing being that players don't pay to enter (except their driving expenses) and play to win money that's not coming out of players themselves
Well techincally it is free. I have no objections if tournament hosts have a sponsored prize, I just wouldn't see it as a requirement.

I'm too broke to go to tourneys constantly =[
But every time I do go, those 15-25 dollars i spend are worth every penny man. The Smash community is awesome and the competitive atmosphere just make things so much better. As much as i would like free tourneys at the same time I wouldn't. Smashers would have nothing to strive for.
That is what I'm trying to fix. You're willing to go to more tournaments it's just the money factor that is holding you back. I agree that the Smash community is awesome but I believe this idea would help the scene on a local, almost state-wide level.

Smashers have plenty to strive for. Are you telling me every single person who enters a smash tournament is entering with the sole intent of winning the money? I beg to differ.

People don't always go to the tournament to win, sure it's in the back of their mind 'dude wouldn't it be sweet if I won' but me and my friends happily will dish out a few $ just to see how we stack up. Get some more experience, and maybe make new friends, new opponents, and just altogether get better at the game.
I'm wanting to provide an option where you and your friends DON'T have to dish out a few extra dollars to get the same experience.

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking of people here, in all reality it's not money which is the driving factor, smash is not a job, you practice, you learn your character you learn your matchups, you find ways around your short-comings, you get confident and you want to go to a tournament and find out how good you really are. In most cases you come up shorter than you would have liked, but that is necessary, it keeps you humble, keeps you hungry.
I'm asking them the title of this thread. I agree with every part of this.

If you go to a tournament in hopes of winning, and fail to do so, then return home broken and sad and quit the game, make excuses about how they have no lives, or their character is better than yours, or they did something cheap, then really you just need to grow up. If you enjoy the game and you want to be the best, it isn't just going to fall into your lap.
Once again, I agree.

The rules, the entree fee's, the quality of players can all be easily researched before you even step foot into the venue. You know exactly what you're doing when you do it, if you've come to the tourney completely diluted about your prowess in the game, then I'd say it's worth 10$ to get knocked down a peg. Not to mention all that is included in the smash tournament scene (the epic moments, the people, the final matches coming down to the wire and everyone being on the tips of their toes to try and see over everyone else to get a look at the results).
I believe those epic moments can still be had without money. I agree with the rest of this.

No one should ever feel bad for winning a tournament, because you're not responsible for the actions of anyone but yourself.
I agree completely. Everyone else please realize this and stop making it seem like I'm making the winner of tournaments out to be a thief and overall bad guy.

If some scrub wants to throw 10$ down and get's knocked out in his first two matches, that was his decision, you live and you learn and that's how you advance in life, that's how you become a more experienced person.
I believe a person can learn this lesson without having to give 10 dollars to another, more experienced player. I've done this with newer players for free.

At that point you can handle your defeat one of two ways, you can resolve yourself to admitting you're not as good as you thought you were, go home and practice, watch videos, learn up on the match ups, learn the advance techs, really put work into your character and hope to do better next time. Or you can john, quit the game, seek comfort by finding other who share your johns, and lie yourself into blissful ignorance, in which people tend to make stupid comments on youtube video's.
I agree with most of your post, it's just a majority of it was irrelevant to this thread.

The Smash Bros community is large enough to survive casually, maybe even host Tournaments for charities and fun.

But, money encourages more people to sign up and take it more seriously. It's a motivational thing.

Sure winning money is awesome, but most people enter knowing they won't make it into top 3. But they go anyways, because they have such a profound love for the game.

Besides, you get better, meet new friends, and discover new experiences. Who wouldn't want to go? Money isn't even the main priority for the majority of Smashers. Having fun and placing well is.
This is a big reason of why I'm doing what I'm doing. Money is not necessary for players to enjoy themselves and have a competitive environment.
 

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I get what you're trying to say, and I appreciate your attitude while responding

I'm trying to think of an analogy here..failed

Money helps reduce the attendance of the tournaments to those people who are serious about competing.

A free tournament every once in a while could be fun, but it could also end up being jam packed with a bunch of new people, and personally I wouldn't want to be in the midst of that ;|

As far as I'm concerned if you want to play smash on a competitive level you're going to need to put more work into it than your average casual player, and if the tournaments cost some money you're less likely to enter if you know you don't practice the game.

It's no different, and yet it's different than any other game out there
All games are going to have a competitive scene, and you're going to find them at the cash prize tournaments, cause when you start making money from playing a game that's when you know you're good at it. You're just not going to find the same level of play at a free tournament that you would at one with a cash prize.
 

Melomaniacal

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I see what you're saying... but think of it this way:
Have you ever played poker without money or anything on the line? It's ridiculous and a bit boring. Takes away a lot from it.
 

Ryan-K

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hey mango come out to some random place in new york with absolutely no intent except for the possibility that you might have a good time

or mew2king come on down to good ol' cali forn -eye -aye to play smash brothers with no real prize

not having a prize kills competition and makes it just boring.
 

AvaricePanda

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1) Without money, competition gets much less serious. Grand finals, and really any match, could end up as nonserious Falcon dittos where people just joke around. Without money, there's no real urge to actually do well. While most people at tourneys know they probably won't get top 3 and earn money, there's still that drive and hope to do so. People wouldn't care about losing as much. Losing wouldn't mean anything, because in essence you'd just be playing friendlies with everyone there.

2) What superryan said. There's no point in anyone traveling for a tournament if no money is involved. Even driving like 2 hours is near pointless. Pros who would be earning like 600-2000 dollars when they traveled to the other coast would earn absolutely nothing, and they'd just be paying out of pocket for plane rides. If people who are really good at the game can't play other people who are really good at the game, there's no point to get really good at the game in the first place.

Money is really necessary for competitive Smash to survive.
 

Stev

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If you don't have money, then you need some other incentive for people to do well, and ranking just won't cut it on a more national scale (or even statewide scale).

People talk about being a "pro" smash player. Well, pro is short for professional, which means you make money. Do athletes feel bad that their salaries are payed for by spectators with ridiculously overpriced tickets and food (i'm thinking of yankee stadium in particular). If you lose, think of yourself as a spectator. ya you could watch the matches online later, but then you're not watching them live. Its like, why attend a sporting event when you can watch it on TV. If you're watching it on TV, can you test your skills against those players? No.

If you want free competition, that's what you can do with your friends around town or something. I know i do that sometimes when i'm smashing with some friends. Then you can brag to them about beating them because you see them so often, thus making it worth it. If you beat some random kid from half way across the country, who cares? You prolly won't even care. But if you beat him and get yourself into the money, you'd care more, and so would he, because now one of you just got costs of coming covered.

Basically, just suck it up and deal with it.
 
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