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C. Falcon I wouldn't say is a bad MU. You can shut him down with pellets and SH Uairs if he tries to approach. You have the range advantage, so if you can just zone him out it wouldn't seem that bad.
Not if he powershields and then runs in during your endlag. Fast characters can easily punish pellets since mega man has to retreat after shooting.
Hmm. I guess I never notice because of how much I jump when I shoot. Usually advancing FH Fair (scrapping shield or missing on purpose) -> retreating Nairs usually help keep away. I thought that jumping took away the end lag when shooting pellets so if I'm wrong let me know. Maybe it's just because I do well against Anther's Ladder Falcons (and Yoshis if that's any consolation, since it's also a bad MU) and it leads me to believe that it's not so bad after all haha.
While jumping after the pellets, you can't enter another attack for a couple of frames, allowing falcon to punish you on the landing.
Based on the matchup discussion thread, neither Yoshi nor ZSS are disadvantageous for us, and Mario isn't that bad. Mii Brawler is great against anyone who doesn't know the matchup, but it's not that bad when you know it.
Excuse me?
Idc about the matchup thread really, my opinion is that those matchups are in the 35-65 border at least (worse than 4-6 is imo a matchup were a secondary is recommended). Since it's my opinion you can ignore it or accept it lol. I base my opinion on my own tournament experience, other Mega Man players results against those characters and a slight bit on theorycrafting but not much.
. are also potential threats, but only with custom moves. is NOT a secondary and I personally do not recommend him. I do think he does well against most of the characters I mentioned, but there's something else important to look for in a secondary instead of just matchup coverage: ease of use. Pikachu is a pretty damn complex character and it takes a lot of time to learn him. Mega Man himself is already a technically demanding character and it's already a long road to just learn him, and if you're gonna backup Pikachu its just gonna be an even longer road. His matchup coverage is good as is, but I think this character has too big a learning curve to be a secondary (not just for Mega Man, but anybody tbh). You might as well make Pikachu your main if you want to take him seriously. You could go with him if you want, but its gonna be a long one.
/ are also potentially bad MUs for similar reasons: They have an easier time bypassing our lemons than other characters do with their manuverablity, and once they get in they can put some work on us with a better damage output and or kill moves. Not to say that these guys are negative, but they could be (although in the case of Greninja and Fox, I am personally leaning more towards their favor than Mega Man's, at least with customs off)
Exactly. You just said yourself that you're getting wrecked by Falcon's grab game, which is true. Falcon has great combos out of his throws. However, since Falcon doesn't have many other approach options that are safe on shield, if he's running at you he'll most likely:
Are you saving your jump before you up b? If so, you really shouldn't be getting gimped by Falcon. Falcon can kill you with his Aerials, yes, but you should be able to recover from pretty much anywhere otherwise...
What were you doing on the second stock? You went for double jump > falling back air about 7 times in a row and he blocked it every time. You then kept going for it throughout the rest of the game. You can't fish for kills like that, you're going to get punished. In general, your mixup was quite poor. You kept doing the same things without really trying something different. You have to adapt along with your opponent.
Thanks for the feed, I know I go a lot for bair but I think against characters like Mario it is the best kill move we have, could you list me other options to show me Im mistaken?
Well, you have BThrow.
's kill options are always Gimps, FSmash, USmash, DSmash, UAir, BAir, & UTilt. The only problem is often to connect, which is always the hard part.
Yeah youre telling me dsmash kills and thats true but I asking for realistic ways to kill (not trying to be rude) like safe kills, bair is super safe, diagonal mb to shoryuken sourspots at high percentages and of all that the only one I can think is safw is bthrow, thats why I mostly keep it freshWell, you have BThrow.
Edit : More seriously,
Leaf Shield sets up grabs, Z1gma Upper is always something to remember, NAir can actually put your opponnent offstage and the others often hit due to reads.
Instead to fish the kill, keep dealing damage no matter what(I managed to rack up 201% once and killed with a FThrow off the edge. It won't happen often, but it still counts.)
♢Beware : Since I often have trouble ending Stocks, this is mostly Theorycraft with a pinch of reality. Read at your own discretion.♢
Bair is probably your best kill option but you need to get Mario into a situation where you can land it. Ideally, you should try to grab him or otherwise get him in the air to setup for an airdodge 50/50. Throwing him off stage works too.
While Falcon's recovery is generally lackluster, gimping him isn't as free as you make it out to be. Once again, Mega Man's damage output is nothing amazing and while we win the neutral game, we're not really going put more than 17% most of the time before he gets in and gains the advantage. With that in mind, you actually need to hit him like 4 times before he's killed from the gimp attempt unless he's already at a high percentage. You can leafstool if he tries to recover low, but he can always mix it up with sideb and recover high instead. You can try to ht him with hard knuckle, but its too difficult to hit him with due to its teleraphed startup. Meanwhile what I'm saying is, if Falcon correctly guesses the way you are recovering or reads your ledge options just once, you die. Not only does he have a better damage output than Mega Man, but that's complimented by powerful knockback so with a proper read you'll be killed outright.
A game of rock paper scissors that nets you a utilt if you win. The risk/reward at his KO% is skewed out of his favor. (And you can react to a SH RAR approach to shield.) Do it consistently, and see what happens. If they have an answer (which will eventually be foxtrot>PP dtilt or something along those lines), then reevaluate. But, as of now, the falcons in my region fear the crouch.
Ducking means being very passive on neutral game... if we read the dash grab we can utilt it when he comes in (mad timing tho) or after spotdodging, no real need to duck it.
