Do yourself a favor: Public service announcement.

[Eggm]

If you are just learning melee, learn to L-cancel by pushing L or R down only partially (not fully to where it clicks)

Unfortunately it is too late for me to start doing this, pushing L down all the way to L-cancel is so en-grained into my muscle memory that I cannot undo it.

But, if you are just starting, even if you already spent a month or two doing it via hitting L/R down all the way, switch NOW.


Why you should do this:

Very often I will approach someone with an air attack, miss for whatever reason, and get punished, and I cannot tech right away (which would save my life) because I just hit L to L-cancel (thinking my air attack would hit) and it sucks.

 

[The Star King]

There's nothing you "can't undo", although it can be REALLY hard (learning to shield with L instead of R without consciously thinking about it was really hard for me after using R for years)

 

[AXE 09]

There's nothing you "can't undo", although it can be REALLY hard (learning to shield with L instead of R without consciously thinking about it was really hard for me after using R for years)

Yeah I went through the same thing actually. I was using R to shield for probably about 2 years, then I trained myself to start using L to shield (still using R to wavedash). It was definitely difficult, but still possible. If you play Melee regularly, it can just be another thing to practice while playing friendlies.

 

[Massive]

If I had to do it all over again, I'd probably try to use Z for aerials and l-cancels.

It's so much easier timing-wise.

 

[iRobinhoood]

Just when I gave up using L to shield. It feels so damn weird. Looks like I'll give it another shot.

 

[darkatma]

I do everything with the light shield before the click.. If you press until right before the click you're essentially heavy shielding, but you can also wavedash out of shield using the click.

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

Yeah I went through the same thing actually. I was using R to shield for probably about 2 years, then I trained myself to start using L to shield (still using R to wavedash). It was definitely difficult, but still possible. If you play Melee regularly, it can just be another thing to practice while playing friendlies.

Why did you think that was necessary? Was there something you couldn't do with R?

 

[iRobinhoood]

Why did you think that was necessary? Was there something you couldn't do with R?

Wave dash oos unless you're darkatma lol

 

[CableCho57]

I wished I started out playing with the javi claw.

Def too late for that now

 

[Jolteon]

honestly star king is right, lol

 

[Lovage]

amused/confused at darkatma supposedly being recognized for wd'ing oos with 1 trigger button

i've met at least like 15 people who do that including myself lol, honestly not that hard or uncommon

 

[unknown522]

yeah, I never use 'R'

 

[Bing]

I WD OoS with only one trigger.. lol


My worst habit in terms of how I do certain actions is that the only purpose I have for the Z button is when Im doing Float cancelled aerials with Peach. I do all my grabs with L+A. Sorry, scratch that, If I waveshine into a grab I also use Z.

 

[iRobinhoood]

I feel like my finger would get strained halting just before the click @ wavedash oos with one button ppl

Anyone's hands get tired during tourney?

 

[Bing]

I feel like my finger would get strained halting just before the click @ wavedash oos with one button ppl

Anyone's hands get tired during tourney?

I used to have this issue, but recently I've got over it. Apex helped a lot with that, never played so much smash in my life.

Also my first tournament as a Fox main <3

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

I only use L to WD OOS but I don't use the click method. I just let go of L and then press it again during my jumpstart frames to wavedash. My index finger is really fast so I never really mess it up...

Now if only my thumb had the same type of speed :/

 

[Cactuar]

Maaaan. Eggm, I told you to fix that YEARS ago. >.>

 

[darkatma]

amused/confused at darkatma supposedly being recognized for wd'ing oos with 1 trigger button

i've met at least like 15 people who do that including myself lol, honestly not that hard or uncommon

hmm i thought this was a common thing

 

[iRobinhoood]

Given the option to download data into your brain, what way would be more efficient?

Shield with L WD oos w/R
Shield with R let go during jump start frames and click R again to WD
Shield just before click, jump and WD oos with either L/R

 

[Mahie]

Shield with R, release while pressing L, WDoos with R.

 

[Lovage]

btw, @ the topic

this is one of the things i've steadily improved at over the years without ever doing retraining or dedicated practicing. i've been aware of the concept forever, and started intentionally using soft trigger hits when using aerials on platforms (esp. near the edge,) and from that point in kinda spread to where i could be familiar at using it in way more situations.

in the same vein, i was able to re-strategize my jump button use without practicing/training, just by playing and casually being aware of the fact that: jumping across the stage with a button will cover more ground than jumping across the stage with the control stick. might not be obvious if you're just starting out, but in the end of things, if your goal is to cover distance, the button is flat out superior than the stick.

with this fact in mind it was pretty easy to adjust my button use. whenever i had the need, in-game, to cover as much ground as mechanically possible (for doing longest range aerials, for barely getting an important edge cancel, to go as far offstage as possible without losing too much airtime etc.) my fingers pretty much naturally adjusted to using the button.

so if anyone ever wants to re-train themselves for any fundamental thing like this, do it out of the necessity to improve your game, don't stymie yourself in re-learning tough stuff if the payout isn't worth it. in this case, it's definitely worth casually getting better at and, most importantly, being very aware of.

 

[Get Low]

This makes me so happy that I learned to L-cancel with Z.

 

[rawrimamonster]

Since this is a thread about breaking "bad habits", I got a kinda particular one that I've been curious about...as everytime someones noticed it they always question me as to "WHYYYYYYYYYY!?!"

I wavedash with the control stick entirely, No X or Y...and honestly I don't suffer from any kind of disadvantage in a technical aspect that I've ever been able to notice...so besides not killing my control stick faster than most players whats the advantage to X or Y? I've never felt comfortable using X/Y...just feels kinda wrong. To be frank, since im so fluent at using control stick only it frees up my right hand to react faster instead of having to reach to X/Y. To clarify before it comes up, yes that means waveshines without X/Y either.

 

[Fregadero]

On the topic on wd oos, I tired switching stuff around, but I eventually just learned how to wd w/ both triggers. I usually only use L for wd oos though.

 

[Bing]

Since this is a thread about breaking "bad habits", I got a kinda particular one that I've been curious about...as everytime someones noticed it they always question me as to "WHYYYYYYYYYY!?!"

I wavedash with the control stick entirely, No X or Y...and honestly I don't suffer from any kind of disadvantage in a technical aspect that I've ever been able to notice...so besides not killing my control stick faster than most players whats the advantage to X or Y? I've never felt comfortable using X/Y...just feels kinda wrong. To be frank, since im so fluent at using control stick only it frees up my right hand to react faster instead of having to reach to X/Y. To clarify before it comes up, yes that means waveshines without X/Y either.

Who do you main?

 

[rawrimamonster]

Who do you main?

I've been narrowing down my characters to one or two mains lately, as its been tough to analyze my true mistakes lately without human competition that aren't ragequitters. But as of right now I'm using Shiek, Falcon, Falco and making a serious attempt at learning Yoshi.

 

[Bones0]

He was asking who you mained because it's a lot harder to WD with the stick when you're playing characters with 3-frame jumps (Sheik is one of them). With Y that's not a problem because it's completely independent. Also, just because you are WDing doesn't mean you are doing it as fast as possible. Sometimes getting frame perfect WDs can be crucial to getting max distance/speed.


As far as light-pressing L, I am in the latter stages of getting used to this. I occasionally find myself pressing it hard, but I sort of did the same thing as Lovage. I originally began doing it so I could L-cancel when attempting ledge cancels (so if I miss it I don't have lag), and when I dair spacies' up-B I can tech if it trades. I used to only use L, but I trigger-tricked my R and have adopted it for shai drops and powershields. I've never had any real trouble WDing OoS with L both for the shield and WD.

 

[Stylez]

Switching up how you perform an action with what buttons can be thought of in two ways:
1) A waste of time
2) A really good way to end bad habits
Not habits as in the button(s) you're using, but other habits. When I changed how I ledge hopped, the options I would take when being edge guarded became much less predicable. I don't really know how to explain it, but I think it helps. It makes you think I guess. Can't say much to those who've been playing longer than me, but I still feel it would help.

 

[rawrimamonster]

He was asking who you mained because it's a lot harder to WD with the stick when you're playing characters with 3-frame jumps (Sheik is one of them). With Y that's not a problem because it's completely independent. Also, just because you are WDing doesn't mean you are doing it as fast as possible. Sometimes getting frame perfect WDs can be crucial to getting max distance/speed.

Yeah I figured that was his meaning, I admit I do miss full wavedashes a bit nowadays but (YEP HERE COMES A JOHN) my controllers 5-6 years old now so its more attributed to that than anything and I simply dont have the spare scratch to throw at a new controller. Hell, if I had spare money you'd bet your *** I'd be at every tournament I could. Whats funny is I find Fox easier to time than sheik, but maybe thats because I have so many more APM with fox so it seems more fluid...dunno. but i'd rather keep narrowing my mains down..

 

[Juggleguy]

I'm surprised anyone does wavedash OoS using both triggers. I think it's a lot easier to just let go of the trigger button, then jump and immediately press the same trigger button again during your jumpstart frames, like Crimson said. Everyone needs to realize that you shouldn't actually jump OoS in order to wavedash OoS.

 

[The Star King]

Everyone needs to realize that you shouldn't actually jump OoS in order to wavedash OoS.

What? You have to jump...

 

[rawrimamonster]

Lol star, I think he means people that dont do it in a fluid motion...at least I hope.

 

[Bones0]

I'm surprised anyone does wavedash OoS using both triggers. I think it's a lot easier to just let go of the trigger button, then jump and immediately press the same trigger button again during your jumpstart frames, like Crimson said. Everyone needs to realize that you shouldn't actually jump OoS in order to wavedash OoS.

Yes you should. Letting go of the trigger just wastes time. Either learn to reclick the same trigger within 4 frames (certainly not impossible), or learn to use a different trigger.

 

[Deleted member]

i use 1 trigger not that hard

 

[Eggm]

Yeah, I only use L period. Never use R at all.

 

[oukd]

me2!

thanks for the announcement btw, somehow i thought i could only lcancel with full click =_=

 

[Juggleguy]

What? You have to jump...

Nah. You have to press X or Y to initiate the wavedash, but you don't have to actually jump out of your shield. I see a lot of people trying to do that and it just makes me cringe.

 

[Tee ay eye]

Nah. You have to press X or Y to initiate the wavedash, but you don't have to actually jump out of your shield. I see a lot of people trying to do that and it just makes me cringe.

a wavedash is a jump into an immediate waveland....

btw, WD OOS with one button is not very hard at all

the easiest way to do it imo is to just partially shield (so that the rubber button thing isn't clicking down), and then just wavedash like you normally would. you don't have to let go of anything in order to activate the wavedash, so it's super easy.

 

[Jockmaster]

I only use R lol sometimes L for random l cancels but I usually avoid it

 

[The Star King]

Nah. You have to press X or Y to initiate the wavedash, but you don't have to actually jump out of your shield. I see a lot of people trying to do that and it just makes me cringe.

You have to jump to wavedash

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