Do you think the human race will survive to see the end of our solar system?

[Pikaville]

Well our sun will more than likely explode into a red giant then form a black hole engulfing our universe.

The question is will we survive to see it?

I personally say no.We will have wiped each other out through some kind of war.Or some extremely deadly/contagious disease will eradicate us instead.Or some asteroid will hit earth either
(1.)Completely annihilate the planet or
(2.)Send us into some neo Ice age that we could never survive.

There are the few who would survive war but it would be short lived as soon as basic needs weren't available.

Even if we did live till the end,the scary thing is we would be vaporised within roughly 15-30 seconds of the sun exploding.

Well what do you think?Will we see the true end of our existence as we know it.Or will we be gone long before that?

 

[bluezaft]

Dude, that's in 5 billion years. It's ridiculous to think H. sapiens will be around even 1 billion years from now, and a mass extinction event would not even be necessary--we would have long moved on to another Homo species. I mean, we've been through over a dozen Homo species in only a couple million years. Heck, it's incredibly generous to assume anything resembling the Homo genus will be around in a billion years.

The coelacanth, though, those guys have got their act down. We thought they went extinct 65 million years ago, and we recently found them not only still alive but virtually unchanged for the 300 million years they've been around.

But on the topic of mass extinction, some guy, I forget his name, theorizes that Earth gets pummeled by asteroids every 26 million years like clockwork. The major extinctions seem to kind of back it up. If it's true our descendants have 13 million years to get the hell out of here, assuming we don't blow the place up ourselves. Tick tock!

 

[~Krystal~]

Whoa. This is definitely not the pool room I've come to know and hate. I'm beginning to see more and more interesting and relevant topics appear. =o)

Well our sun will more than likely explode into a red giant then form a black hole engulfing our universe.

The question is will we survive to see it?

I personally say no.We will have wiped each other out through some kind of war.Or some extremely deadly/contagious disease will eradicate us instead.Or some asteroid will hit earth either
(1.)Completely annihilate the planet or
(2.)Send us into some neo Ice age that we could never survive.

There are the few who would survive war but it would be short lived as soon as basic needs weren't available.

Even if we did live till the end,the scary thing is we would be vaporised within roughly 15-30 seconds of the sun exploding.

Well what do you think?Will we see the true end of our existence as we know it.Or will we be gone long before that?

The end may come sooner than most think. Personally, I believe we will kill each other off as resources continue to dwindle, the total population increases, and the pressure mounts to stage an assault to preserve a way of life most countries have known for decades. I fear when the going gets tough, we won't come together and see each other as human beings. Instead, we will likely see each other as American or Chinese and harbor an "us or them" attitude. Should that happen, logic says this planet will see a nuclear war and no one ever wins those I'm afraid.

 

[orintemple]

Well this was kind of a depressing topic to stumble into...

No we won't make it. How long is it until the sun explodes, like 2 billion years or something?
We will have destroyed the Earth will nuclear(or maybe worse) warfare by then. Guarenteed.

The only possibility is if we end up somehow evolving to be able to adapt to living in a nuclear wasteland, then maybe we can make it.

 

[Mini Mic]

I'm surprised we've lasted this long.

 

[Mic_128]

We may not be around to see it, because we could have trashed the planet (and other habital ones in our system) and moved on by then.

Though I also agree with us being wiped out by then.


Shame we'll never know for sure, would be interesting to know.

 

[Mini Mic]

There seems to have been lots of gloom and doom topics around here recently for some reason. Does someone know something I don't?

 

[Mic_128]

Humanity in general, is stupid, greedy, self obsessed and intolerant?

 

[Ganon007]

Any one watch the movie Idiocracy? Yeah nuff said.

 

[Black Waltz]

prolly not.

 

[Sinz]

Well, personally I think it would pretty cool to see the end of our solar system. However, I firmly believe that we won't really know the answer to this question. But hey weird question. One weird question can bring up tons of interesting answers, which can sometimes be questions themselves.

 

[bored]

Would anyone really care if the solar system was coming to an end? I mean... C'mon....

 

[digitalmaster287]

To be completely honest, I think that global warming and its repercussions would finish us off LONG before the Solar System ends, given the attitude America right now...

 

[crosser43]

We won't live till we see each other die. But maybe some survivors will survive global warming, and we might be able to move to another solar system, find life, and rebuild, with more advanced tech.

 

[~Krystal~]

Yeah, we'd get there sooner than later if Nasa wasn't so poorly funded. =o)

So are you all looking foward to our firs...err second trip to the moon?

 

[Zero Beat]

Um, guys...sorry to disappoint you but, ever heard of Andromeda? Yeah, it's a galaxy that will be "colliding" with our own in about 3 billion years.

I'll try to explain it so the comprehension level spans from "Any idiot off the streets" to "An intellectual person."

First, we have to understand that galaxies have either "active" or "dormant" super massive black holes in their center. Our own, at the moment, is dormant, I forgot whether Andromeda's is active or not, but it doesn't matter. Why? Simple..

The collision, first of all, is NOT like a car crash. It is a merging of the two galaxies. They will bond together to create an even bigger one. (As a side note, our galaxy, much like Andromeda, may have already merged in the past with other galaxies, which explains their tremendous size)

On to my point.

Our solar system(Planets, and the Sun) is a tiny "pixel"(to put it in perspective) in the grand scheme of our galaxy. We are situated in one of the Milky Way's spirals. With that in mind, things will go like this, roughly..

Scenario #1 : The other side of the galaxy, which has a spiral too, collides with Andromeda, both super massive black holes become active, but since we'd be so far away(Other end of our galaxy) we wouldn't feel the effects of both black holes, however, we'd have great seats in terms of observing how things would unfold.(Mergers take a very long time, anyway....)

Scenario #2 : We're on the colliding side of the merger, and die pretty fast.

My advice: Don't worry about the sun's life cycle that much..

Here's for those who are having problems on visualizing the spirals..

Also, if you're wondering how I know this, don't take my word for it, research it yourselves. That usually eliminates potential arguments ignited by ignorance.

Whoops, I got carried away there. I assumed that everyone knew this. When the collision occurs, both super massive black holes will become active, due to the large amount of matter they'll be absorbing throughout the scenery. And thus, it renders Scene #2 as the deathly one.

 

[Marie_54]

No, especially if McCain wins the U.S. elections... Then i doubt the world will survive another 4 years of Bushisms.

 

[Junpappy]

The Halo series is going to be the actual end of our world as we know it.

 

[Mini Mic]

Humanity in general, is stupid, greedy, self obsessed and intolerant?

Pretty much, everyone needs to keep in mind that everything exists for the sole purpose of continuing its existence. It's human nature to be selfish and the fundamental principle on which economics is based.

Survival of the fittest baby!

 

[Pikaville]

The human race is completly controlled by its tendancy to indulge itself in sometimes,completly unnescessary pleasures.I mean if cosmetics were taken away im pretty sure oil would last another few years anyway.Fair enough alot these things make life easier but its making us lasier and more dependant on the easier way to get things done.I mean if electricity,our most taken for granted energy source,was to disappear,the world would collapse on itself.Communication would become nearly impossible,food would run out very soon as there would me no means of refridgerating perishables(that being most of the food we eat)

Yet here I am on the internet,one of modern lifes greatest pleasures,talking about unnescessary things.

I personally would love to see the end of the universe.I think it would be an amazing thing to experience.Being sucked into a black hole would be a truly intense experience and one not worth missing if you ask me(no matter how terrifying it may be)

 

[Zero Beat]

I personally would love to see the end of the universe.I think it would be an amazing thing to experience.Being sucked into a black hole would be a truly intense experience and one not worth missing if you ask me(no matter how terrifying it may be)

What is the universe to you?...

 

[antimatter]

sounds like Pikaville has read "The Restraunt at the End of the Universe".

 

[omfgomfg]

the question is not, "Do you think?", the question is: "Will it really matter?".

but then again, i will agree with the topic creator's stance

 

[Jam Stunna]

We as humans give ourselves way too much credit. Yes, we can trash the planet. Yes, we can wipe out many species. But there's no way we can destroy ourselves. The will to survive is just too strong. No matter what happens, there will always be a handful of us left, and we'll go from there.

 

[Overlord_Ganon]

I recently went to the Museum of Natural History, and saw the planeterrium (which I reccomend highly to anyone who hasn't seen it). It was rather interesting, I saw an example of what your talking about. Do I think we will be around? Possibly yes, you never know the future or what it holds.

 

[Andromeda]

ever heard of Andromeda?

Yeah, it sounds somewhat familiar...

 

[Pikaville]

What is the universe to you?...

May be I should have said solar system there.I dont really know......the universe,to me,Is the furthest point to which we have seen in to space.I really can't answer that question properly.

I had an absolutely amazing dream the other night that revealed to me how the universe begins and ends.

It was narrated by David Attenborough(of course)It began with me being told that even every sub atomic particle we can find,is made up of infinitly smaller particles.So infinitly small in fact that they don't register as having any recogniable mass.

I was then told that the smallest kind of these infinitly small particles(yes that did sound kinda silly) is what holds our universe together.It was basically a particle that is totally unbindable with any other(even itself with one exception that I will explain later) yet it had the unique property to "make" gravity.These particles are of 2 opposite "magnetisms" if you will.This what makes various galaxies fly towards or away from each other.

The larger the planet the stronger the gravity(usually)that is because these particles slip their way through every gap between every possible bigger particle and the more there is the stronger gravity will be.

Here is where it gets really crazy.When a star dies it creates enough energy that it allows these "gravity particles" to fuse.When they fuse they become exponentially more powerfull thus allowing black holes to have the unescapeable gravity they possess.

So when the entire universe has been consumed by black holes they will have to comsume each other at some stage.When this happens one giga black hole will continue to suck in matter until all the particles in the universe are contained within its singularity.

This is when it reaches critical mass and................BIG BANG!

All the universes particles are once again shot out across immeasureable distances and our new universe is born again taking trillions of years before even the smallest components of our basic elements once again find each other(if they even do again)after being blown apart in the big bang.

Pretty crazy stuff I know.The best part was having all of it explained to me by the man with the most captivating voice in the world. It may even be true.........if it is you heard it here 1st!

 

[Justerbuster07]

O_O

Awesome thread.

May be I should have said solar system there.I dont really know......the universe,to me,Is the furthest point to which we have seen in to space.I really can't answer that question properly.

I had an absolutely amazing dream the other night that revealed to me how the universe begins and ends.

It was narrated by David Attenborough(of course)It began with me being told that even every sub atomic particle we can find,is made up of infinitly smaller particles.So infinitly small in fact that they don't register as having any recogniable mass.

I was then told that the smallest kind of these infinitly small particles(yes that did sound kinda silly) is what holds our universe together.It was basically a particle that is totally unbindable with any other(even itself with one exception that I will explain later) yet it had the unique property to "make" gravity.These particles are of 2 opposite "magnetisms" if you will.This what makes various galaxies fly towards or away from each other.

The larger the planet the stronger the gravity(usually)that is because these particles slip their way through every gap between every possible bigger particle and the more there is the stronger gravity will be.

Here is where it gets really crazy.When a star dies it creates enough energy that it allows these "gravity particles" to fuse.When they fuse they become exponentially more powerfull thus allowing black holes to have the unescapeable gravity they possess.

So when the entire universe has been consumed by black holes they will have to comsume each other at some stage.When this happens one giga black hole will continue to suck in matter until all the particles in the universe are contained within its singularity.

This is when it reaches critical mass and................BIG BANG!

All the universes particles are once again shot out across immeasureable distances and our new universe is born again taking trillions of years before even the smallest components of our basic elements once again find each other(if they even do again)after being blown apart in the big bang.

Pretty crazy stuff I know.The best part was having all of it explained to me by the man with the most captivating voice in the world. It may even be true.........if it is you heard it here 1st!

But then... how did it begin? Maybe all the big bangs are linked together in some kind of time continueum.. and there is no begining! Something we will just never be able to comprehend as humans..

 

[Zero Beat]

How did it begin?

In a very very quick nutshell :
+Above 3000 Kelvins
-Planck Time = Before big bang(10^-43s)

+Below 3000 Kelvins
-Unification of all the fundamental forces(Strong and weak force, gravity, and electromagnetic)
-Quark Confinement(picture a sea of quarks)= 10^-10s
-Inflationary epoch(Just look these up if you actually care)= I forgot..
-Neutrino Transparency and Deuterium Stable= 1 second!
-Transparency point for light= 10^10s
-As we know, star formations also take place after temps cool down below 3000 Kelvins, same goes for galaxies.

Some of that stuff isn't in the right order, like one or two, because I don't have the book here with me. I did post the accurate timeline at the Debate Hall, but I can't find the topic, so blah.
-WE ARE HERE---->10^20s

I think I'm wrong about the Kelvins, I might have to revise a couple of things. 3000 seems awfully low, 10^10K sounds more like it but **** it.

So..quicker nutshell:

Bang---->Hot--->Minor Cooldown--->Forces unite----->Major cool down----->galaxy and star formation------->LOL----Uniform temp=Present time.

 

[Jam Stunna]

Planck anything = awesome.

 

[Zero Beat]

Planck anything = awesome.

Famous German scientist that won the Physics Prize or something. It's named after him, like other important things related to science.

 

[The Chuff]

Yeah, we'd get there sooner than later if Nasa wasn't so poorly funded. =o)

So are you all looking foward to our firs...err second trip to the moon?

Nasa? Poorly funded?
Yes, let's let them shoot more money into space. The only good things they do are the unmanned probes. No more moon visits, please.

 

[Zero Beat]

Nasa? Poorly funded?
Yes, let's let them shoot more money into space. The only good things they do are the unmanned probes. No more moon visits, please.

Do you realize how much money we could save by launching from the moon...?

 

[Jam Stunna]

Famous German scientist that won the Physics Prize or something. It's named after him, like other important things related to science.

Yeah, I just love Planck. And physics in general. God, I wish I was good at it.

 

[Colenstien]

How did it begin?

In a very very quick nutshell :
+Above 3000 Kelvins
-Planck Time = Before big bang(10^-43s)

+Below 3000 Kelvins
-Unification of all the fundamental forces(Strong and weak force, gravity, and electromagnetic)
-Quark Confinement(picture a sea of quarks)= 10^-10s
-Inflationary epoch(Just look these up if you actually care)= I forgot..
-Neutrino Transparency and Deuterium Stable= 1 second!
-Transparency point for light= 10^10s
-As we know, star formations also take place after temps cool down below 3000 Kelvins, same goes for galaxies.

Some of that stuff isn't in the right order, like one or two, because I don't have the book here with me. I did post the accurate timeline at the Debate Hall, but I can't find the topic, so blah.
-WE ARE HERE---->10^20s

I think I'm wrong about the Kelvins, I might have to revise a couple of things. 3000 seems awfully low, 10^10K sounds more like it but **** it.

So..quicker nutshell:

Bang---->Hot--->Minor Cooldown--->Forces unite----->Major cool down----->galaxy and star formation------->LOL----Uniform temp=Present time.

It all makes sense now.

 

[The Executive]

Do you realize how much money we could save by launching from the moon...?

Hmm...possibly, but only if we could convince Congress (or in this case the U.N. since the moon isn't U.S. property despite the fact that we got there first and planted a flag) to front the money necessary to install a launch base.

Sounds interesting.

edit: We save tons of fuel costs off the bat since the Moon's escape velocity is significantly lesser than Earth's and thus less force is needed to escape it.

 

[~Krystal~]

Aside from the big ideas we might already have in mind like a colony or an observatory, we could also gain a higher understanding of how our solar system was formed. All expensive ventures, but anything worth doing takes a little commitment.

 

[antimatter]

i just found this fact out, and i find it quite disturbing:
there have been 4,467 asteroids that nearly hit the earth since 2000.

 

[Zero Beat]

That's nothing^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. There are pages upon pages of very close calls.

My Astronomy teacher showed me last year. I mean, pages and pages of recorded asteroids closely passing by. These records of near misses have been going on since the 1960's I believe.

Aside from the big ideas we might already have in mind like a colony or an observatory, we could also gain a higher understanding of how our solar system was formed. All expensive ventures, but anything worth doing takes a little commitment.

We already know. All it requires is a slight bit of research on wikipedia or google on your part.

 

[Royblazer]

IMO, if humans don't kill themselves first, it'll be a random space object. But unless reincarnation has been proven, I don't think we have to worry, since we'll be long dead by then. Unless our destruction happens in our lifespan.