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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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huh so i know no one cares and this probably isn't the right thread for it but, im after the flooded part in NieR automata

2B is now my most wanted character and she has to to be a trio character with pod and 9S.

i really hope if they add her in, they don't do the bunker or ruined city or the factory, im honestly kind of sick of seeing the "it appears for 5 minutes in the game and then is never seen again but we can make a 3 minute background cinematic for it so screw actual important area's" stages in the DLC, heck they even just made up Joker's stage from persona's UI. the best stage would either be the apartment complex or the amusement park.
Ehhhhhhhh I get your point but the abandoned factory features many iconic and memorable moments in the game, including stuff you have yet to see in your playthrough. Though the amusement park would certainly be my second choice for a stage if the factory wasn't possible
 

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Betting tons of people have pointed this out already, but this Pass really is shaping up to be "Base Game Plans Revisited". XB2 and Arms missed out on it so they were put in Pass 2. Steve was negotiated for years and only made it in on Pass 2. FF7 content was missing and Sephiroth was added to make up for it. So a MonHun character seems fairly likely considering it had some base game content that could be expanded on. The last character might be something that only started negotiations late into development, maybe Crash or someone like them. Think a "Snake missed out on Melee" or "Brawl delayed for Sonic" scenario.
 

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Betting tons of people have pointed this out already, but this Pass really is shaping up to be "Base Game Plans Revisited". XB2 and Arms missed out on it so they were put in Pass 2. Steve was negotiated for years and only made it in on Pass 2. FF7 content was missing and Sephiroth was added to make up for it. So a MonHun character seems fairly likely considering it had some base game content that could be expanded on. The last character might be something that only started negotiations late into development, maybe Crash or someone like them. Think a "Snake missed out on Melee" or "Brawl delayed for Sonic" scenario.
Tons is an understatement.

That's partially why soo many are waiting to see this Mii presentation if MonHun lives. :4pacman:
 

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Betting tons of people have pointed this out already, but this Pass really is shaping up to be "Base Game Plans Revisited". XB2 and Arms missed out on it so they were put in Pass 2. Steve was negotiated for years and only made it in on Pass 2. FF7 content was missing and Sephiroth was added to make up for it. So a MonHun character seems fairly likely considering it had some base game content that could be expanded on. The last character might be something that only started negotiations late into development, maybe Crash or someone like them. Think a "Snake missed out on Melee" or "Brawl delayed for Sonic" scenario.
Wasn’t MonHun always supposed to be a Boss and Assist and nothing else? I haven’t heard of any scrapped plans for it.
 
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Wasn’t MonHun always supposed to be a Boss and nothing else?
There's nothing that's said that one way or another.

We have Rathalos, 2 songs, and a dedicated WoL area, but that's all MonHun has. MonHun is in that weird spot where a decently sized chunk of the game is dedicated to it... but it lacks a playable character. It's the only series like this.


Hell, despite having a WoL area, it doesn't even have a selectable stage.
 
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That's one thing that's always given me a bit of a nudge towards Monster Hunter being somewhat likely.


We have ALL this representation, impactfully major stuff mind you... and no stage? Sure, it has the WoL walk-off, but nothing on the SSS.


You'd think that even with the limited amount of new stages that we got pre-DLC, that we'd have gotten a MonHun stage with ALL this MonHun content.


.....and thinking about it, to be blunt, a Monster Hunter stage as DLC kinda fits perfectly with how the DLC stages tend to "SLAP A TON OF BACKGROUND CAMEOS IN". I imagine that a MonHun stage would slap a metric ****ton of Monsters in the background.
 
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That's one thing that's always given me a bit of a nudge towards Monster Hunter being somewhat likely.


We have ALL this representation, impactfully major stuff mind you... and no stage? Sure, it has the WoL walk-off, but nothing on the CSS.


You'd think that even with the limited amount of new stages that we got pre-DLC, that we'd have gotten a MonHun stage with ALL this MonHun content.


.....and thinking about it, to be blunt, a Monster Hunter stage as DLC kinda fits perfectly with how the DLC stages tend to "SLAP A TON OF BACKGROUND CAMEOS IN". I imagine that a MonHun stage would slap a metric ****ton of Monsters in the background.
Unlike most of the other cameos though, I don't know why most of them would be sitting in the background happily watching the match. I hardly think the monsters are capable of common human courtesy.
 

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Unlike most of the other cameos though, I don't know why most of them would be sitting in the background happily watching the match. I hardly think the monsters are capable of common human courtesy.
Probably a few fly-overs, a couple perching atop mountains, maybe some running along plains, surfacing from a body of water, and hell, fighting.


Considering their sheer size for a good majority of them, even as lower poly models, I doubt we'd get more than a few appear at once.
 

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Wasn't Monster Hunter Ultimate in the data of the game, along with other stuff like Devil's Third and Blast Corps?

Also, I think the important thing to pay attention to, besides the Mii Costumes, is whether we finally get that 2010's Tournament that's been missing. If it does Show up, it doesn't harm Monster Hunter that much because the series debuted earlier, but If they were using Rise Protagnist, then they might be eligible for that Tournament (would have to be 2010's and 2020 tournament though)
 

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Unlike most of the other cameos though, I don't know why most of them would be sitting in the background happily watching the match. I hardly think the monsters are capable of common human courtesy.
They could be the hazard, turning the match into an impromptu Hunt. In Hazardless or Omega/Battlefield they can be resting in the background instead.
 

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Of course, all this could be for nothing, and we could just get the costumes to appear in 2 days time.

If they don't though?..... Well, we still got a spirit event to dodge.

But if it dodges that....?




Well, it doesn't mean anything either since they can appear wherever, but I will say, if we're on CP11, and we've neither gotten the costumes back, NOR a Rise spirit event, consider me all in on MonHun.
 

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Based on past precedent it'll be a Fire Emblem character.

This is how Lyn wins.
:smileye:
I can see it now: Next month they announce a Binding Blade remake with Lyn getting a side story that tells what she was up to before the events of Roy's story. It releases right before the last character slot, thus being perfect for an advertisement and giving Lyn the Trojan Horse she needed to finally gets the promotion she desires.

Probably a few fly-overs, a couple perching atop mountains, maybe some running along plains, surfacing from a body of water, and hell, fighting.


Considering their sheer size for a good majority of them, even as lower poly models, I doubt we'd get more than a few appear at once.
If we get a stage, I'm pretty confident one of them would be the Deviljho, I don't think the Smash team would miss the opportunity to have that evil pickle come in and ruin some matches in the same way he ruins hunts by carting unknowing Hunters.
 
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Betting tons of people have pointed this out already, but this Pass really is shaping up to be "Base Game Plans Revisited". XB2 and Arms missed out on it so they were put in Pass 2. Steve was negotiated for years and only made it in on Pass 2. FF7 content was missing and Sephiroth was added to make up for it. So a MonHun character seems fairly likely considering it had some base game content that could be expanded on. The last character might be something that only started negotiations late into development, maybe Crash or someone like them. Think a "Snake missed out on Melee" or "Brawl delayed for Sonic" scenario.
I think the difference here though is Monster Hunter content DID end up in the game. It’s kinda like when people say “omg what if they add Decidueye since Sakurai considered adding him?” Like no, a Gen 7 Pokémon still ended up making it, it just wasn’t Decidueye. There’s not really any “loose ends” that need to be tied up as there were with the other characters. Not to say it couldn’t happen, it’s just not really the same circumstances
 
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I think the difference here though is Monster Hunter content DID end up in the game. There’s not really any “loose ends” that need to be tied up as there were with the other characters. Not to say it couldn’t happen, it’s just not really the same circumstances
XB2, Arms and FF7 content also all ended up in the game. But not to the extent of a full playable character for some, and not for substantial supporting content for FF7. Minecraft is the only game from Pass 2 to completely debut in that pass.
 
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Biggest "loose end" I can possibly think of right now is Dragalia Lost being bereft of any kind of content at all, especially considering things like Fire Emblem Heroes even got official Smash remixes of several of its songs. Definitely gives me the same jokey "haha, isn'tit weird we don't have FE3H spirits yet" vibe that preceded Byleth.

Also, no Jack Frost, but I'm going to chalk it up to the fact neither Nintendo nor Atlus really give a damn.
 
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XB2, Arms and FF7 content also all ended up in the game. But not to the extent of a full playable character for some, and not for substantial supporting content for FF7. Minecraft is the only game from Pass 2 to completely debut in that pass.
Yes but their content were more like bones thrown as consolation prizes for missing base game. Rathalos on the other hand was a boss character on top of being an assist trophy. Arms and XC2 are Nintendo IP that would’ve been shoe-ins if their timing had lined up better. Monster Hunter is a 3rd party franchise that’s been around forever. It’s inclusion wasn’t a bone thrown as a consolation prize. Like I said, not the same circumstance whatsoever
 
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I'm a broken record but my biggest train of logic behind MonHun having a shot, is the lack of selectable stage.


You include:

A dedicated World of Light Zone
2 Songs
A bossfight
And the ****ing biggest Assist Trophy that effectively IS a summonable boss fight


And no stage?


It's flimsy logic sure, and we could very easily get the Miis back/ a spirit event soon, but the lack of a dedicated Monster Hunter stage, when we got SOO MUCH ELSE from it seems weird as ****.
 

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Biggest "loose end" I can possibly think of right now is Dragalia Lost being bereft of any kind of content at all, especially considering things like Fire Emblem Heroes even got official Smash remixes of several of its songs. Definitely gives me the same jokey "haha, isn'tit weird we don't have FE3H spirits yet" vibe that preceded Byleth.

Also, no Jack Frost, but I'm going to chalk it up to the fact neither Nintendo nor Atlus really give a damn.
I like how the one you actually care about is dismissed for Nintendo not giving a damn in the exact same post you talk about a game Nintendo doesn't care enough about to let it come out in the EU
 
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I'm a broken record but my biggest train of logic behind MonHun having a shot, is the lack of selectable stage.


You include:

A dedicated World of Light Zone
2 Songs
A bossfight
And the ****ing biggest Assist Trophy that effectively IS a summonable boss fight


And no stage?


It's flimsy logic sure, and we could very easily get the Miis back/ a spirit event soon, but the lack of a dedicated Monster Hunter stage, when we got SOO MUCH ELSE from it seems weird as ****.
It is a great argument. However it could all just come down to the Monster Hunter devs just wanting the Monsters to represent the series rather than anything else
 

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im watching old nintendo ads and its weird seeing stanley the bugman being put up there with mario and donkey kong. i wonder if sakurai ever considered him for smash but man what a fall. from ads with mario, snoopy and popeye to barely anything.
Nintendo needs to bring Stanley back. Put him in Mario spin-off games like they did for Pauline.
 

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I like how the one you actually care about is dismissed for Nintendo not giving a damn in the exact same post you talk about a game Nintendo doesn't care enough about to let it come out in the EU
Isn't that due to gacha laws and ****?


Kinda like how Granblue is 100% fully in English, but Cygames doesn't release it in the US to skip around potential gacha laws.
 
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i kinda think tails or knuckles could get in (prob not tbh)
Might I ask why? I like to hear your reasoning

I'm a broken record but my biggest train of logic behind MonHun having a shot, is the lack of selectable stage.


You include:

A dedicated World of Light Zone
2 Songs
A bossfight
And the ****ing biggest Assist Trophy that effectively IS a summonable boss fight


And no stage?


It's flimsy logic sure, and we could very easily get the Miis back/ a spirit event soon, but the lack of a dedicated Monster Hunter stage, when we got SOO MUCH ELSE from it seems weird as ****.
I'd only say it's half weird

They didn't build Rathalos Stage to be fought on regularly, So I see why the Boss version of the stage is not selectable, just like how Ganon's Stage, or Marx's Stage isn't selectable

There were only 4 New stages base game, and the DLC Stages are solely tied to the characters themselves, So I only think it's half weird there is no Monster Hunter Stage
 

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I'm a broken record but my biggest train of logic behind MonHun having a shot, is the lack of selectable stage.


You include:

A dedicated World of Light Zone
2 Songs
A bossfight
And the ****ing biggest Assist Trophy that effectively IS a summonable boss fight


And no stage?


It's flimsy logic sure, and we could very easily get the Miis back/ a spirit event soon, but the lack of a dedicated Monster Hunter stage, when we got SOO MUCH ELSE from it seems weird as ****.
everything points to a hunter being considered or even planned if you think the internal music stuff means something for the base game. and there's also imran khan outright saying it too. the question at this point is if sakurai is willing to revisit the idea. which he should. the whole "monsters represent monster hunter well enough" stuff is dumb. its called monster HUNTER for ****s sake. plus we need a stage and music too.
 
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It is a great argument. However it could all just come down to the Monster Hunter devs just wanting the Monsters to represent the series rather than anything else
I mean, the thing is, we have a Monster Hunter locale in as a stage, the Ancestral Steppe, it's just not actually a stage one can select. If they only wanted Rathalos to represent the game, then they could have done what they did with Galleom and given us "Vaguely Monster Hunter zone but not really" as a stage, but we got a Monster Hunter area.

Like, even if MonHun didn't get a character, you'd imagine at the very least a stage with various cameos, no? It's not like we've never gotten stages that don't have characters tied to them, but not only did MonHun get a dedicated WoL zone, but its stage actually is from MonHun.


Again though, I myself said this is flimsy logic at best.
 
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and there's also imran khan outright saying it too.
The Imran quote means nothing. One, there's no way Byleth would've been selected in advance two-to-four years before Three Houses even released. Two, Imran straight-up said "This might not be true, don't trust me on this." If the leaker himself says to not trust him, chances are the rumor's bull.
 

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Isn't that due to gacha laws and ****?


Kinda like how Granblue is 100% fully in English, but Cygames doesn't release it in the US to skip around potential gacha laws.
Yeah but if Nintendo really felt Dragalia was important enough to bring to the EU they'd make a different version that complies to those laws like how Pokemon Platinum needed to get changed to be brought to the EU due to gambling laws, which explains why stores sold US copies here in the Netherlands, only ever saw Platinum copies with the ESRB logo. But because Dragalia was only ever meant to be a way to squeeze money out of potentially vulnerable people, they never cared enough to make a version that doesn't do exactly that.
 

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The Imran quote means nothing. One, there's no way Byleth would've been selected in advance two-to-four years before Three Houses even released. Two, Imran straight-up said "This might not be true, don't trust me on this." If the leaker himself says to not trust him, chances are the rumor's bull.
i buy the hunter being considered for smash because there's some potential evidence for it but i dont really buy the "byleth is a salvaged monster hunter" bit. but yeah you are right in that the quote doesnt mean much. theres far more going for the hunter anyway.
 
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Unlike most of the other cameos though, I don't know why most of them would be sitting in the background happily watching the match. I hardly think the monsters are capable of common human courtesy.
I mean, the Metal Gears in the Shadow Moses Island stage don't do anything to the fighters. We could possibly have non-hostile monsters roaming the stage and the occasional carnivore fly in to eat a few or maybe even have two of them have a turf war in the background occasionally.
 

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Yeah but if Nintendo really felt Dragalia was important enough to bring to the EU they'd make a different version that complies to those laws like how Pokemon Platinum needed to get changed to be brought to the EU due to gambling laws, which explains why stores sold US copies here in the Netherlands, only ever saw Platinum copies with the ESRB logo. But because Dragalia was only ever meant to be a way to squeeze money out of potentially vulnerable people, they never cared enough to make a version that doesn't do exactly that.
That's gacha games for ya.
 

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I never even thought of that. It’d actually be a pretty good way to make Echos at least somewhat different from their counterparts.
I hope custom moves come back eventually, albeit with better execution.
megaman was given the best treatment for custom moves in ssb4 its sad that it was gone i was hoping that maybe it can be given to Protoman in this game since the custom moves are not here anymore
JUST LOOK AT THESE OPTIONS

you cant just throw these stuff that has been developed to the garbage
 
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