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that implies that "casual" players don't care at all, which is partially true to a degree, but still a fallacy.
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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II
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Professor Pumpkaboo
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Mm IDK, I'm not much of a fan of Metal Gear or SH but I know giving those ips to Microsoft is a set up for massive failure. They would all become shooters lol
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Yeah, I'm aware lol. That's just what the fighter was called in my dream
SMAASH! Puppy
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Well, to be fair, how did they get Cloud in, but had to wait until the middle Fighter's Pass 2 to get in Sephiroth? Or how did they get Spring Man in, but had to wait until the beginning of Fighter's Pass 2 to get Min Min?
I don't think this really holds much water when 3/4 characters so far have been from games that already have content.
But then they couldn't be in Super Smash Bros. anymore...
"Real fan" is just a buzzword to use when a company doesn't give you what you want 
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Given that Castlevania Adventure got a wonderful (and sadly now hard to play) remake with ReBirth, and Konami put out Twin Snakes back in the day, they could do a lot worse than remaking Metal Gear Ghost Babel. Its more of an obscure title so it would be new to a lot of people, didn't have a lot of Kojima involvement so there wouldn't be that much controversy about messing up his ideas, and its a non-canon/alternative universe title so there's no spoiling of the canon timeline anyway.
Give it Switch exclusivity for a bit before putting it out to other consoles (or multiplatform from the start) and there's a decent profit to be made there.
Give it Switch exclusivity for a bit before putting it out to other consoles (or multiplatform from the start) and there's a decent profit to be made there.
Otoad64
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I never meant to imply that "casual" fans think it's a good idea or don't care at all, just that "hardcore" fans would care and don't think it's a good idea
SNEKeater
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Also this.
And besides that, Konami isn't dumb. Maybe they are not interested in developing new games for those series by themselves, but they know they have popular IPs with faithful fans. Licensing out their franchises to other developers is what I'd do if I was in their position.
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Moreover, while certain gaming departments of theirs are struggling now (mobile and/or pachinko related) Konami still sees value in keeping IP's for use in coordination with them long term and for stuff like the Castlevania TV series.
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RileyXY1
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That is almost my idea for a Backyard Sports character.
chocolatejr9
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I know this goes against their philosophy, but MAN I wish Nintendo would buy them out. You know it's bad when they're more likely to treat the IPs with respect than the guys who actually own them...
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They clearly know their IPs have value, is just that developing new entries for their big series would require a lot of resources. And they have been gaining a lot of money from pachinkos and other things. Also smaller IPs such as Momotaro Denmetsu have been incredibly beneficial in Japan. So I guess it's understandable in a way.
If I was Konami and I was doing good with low investment in my IPs, why would I change that?
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No doubt, if SH went to Microsoft, you would probably be able to hear many many fan anger and confusion radiate through the air.
SvartWolf
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I wouldnt be surprised if Iga's new studio ends doing a castlevania game Dx still.. konami is doing the law of minium effort imo teh best way they could.
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I just want Smash Run Back. Please...... I would gladly take another ARMS Character if it means I can have Smash Run back.
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A bit random but Mew2King started Xenoblade 2 on stream a few days ago and he seems to be enjoying it.
Xenoblade 2 is one of the greatest games of all time btw. Can't wait to play it more tomorrow pic.twitter.com/DOyooO2s9N
— Jason Zimmerman (@MVG_Mew2King) February 22, 2021
chocolatejr9
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FINALLY, people are starting to understand!
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I mean at least Nintendo would let the IPs die in peace if anything. I'd be surprised if they do anything with them because all they seem to focus on anymore is Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing and Splatoon.
Schnee117
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My favourite shooters, Killer Instinct, Hellblade, Forza, Battletoads and Minecraft Dungeons
Sitting on the IPs and doing **** all is worse than licensing them out to interested developers
SvartWolf
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i would take even dark dark pit if it means smash run DX
chocolatejr9
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Can we at least agree it's better than being stuck in pachinko? That's a fate WORSE than death...My favourite shooters, Killer Instinct, Hellblade, Forza, Battletoads and Minecraft Dungeons
Sitting on the IPs and doing **** all is worse than licensing them out to interested developers
Schnee117
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Well yeah, flaying a dead corpse is worse than leaving it alone.
But if people are interested in revitalising it, it's much better to just give them the license for a game, let them put it on as many systems as possible and reap the benefits each time instead of taking a one time payment.
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Konami letting some scrappy indie developer do a new entry in Rocket Knight Adventures would be pretty damn cool, I won't lie.
(Hopefully with more consistent results than 2008's Rocket Knight)
(Hopefully with more consistent results than 2008's Rocket Knight)
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SirBillyBob
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A bit random, but those Xenoblade 2 models be looking mad crusty.
I hope they do improve when Pyra/Mythra drop, but they may end up like Byleth's homies.
xenoblade chronicles 2 for the nintendo wii pic.twitter.com/X2bVeXQ2kv
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Welp, can't do anything but hope that they let Platinum Games take care of Metal Gear once again for that one, because MGR2 would be amazing to have.
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People don't seem to understand that it's not just enough to own an IP. Even if Nintendo were to buy them (and why would they), which teams do they have that would develop a Metal Gear theN? Which people? Would they be more interested in suddenly working on Metal Gear than whatever it is that they feel comfortable with? Should they also buy studios to go along with their IP acquisition and force them to work on it?
Conversely Nintendo doesn't necessarily sit on certain games just because they ****ing hate you. It's easy to say "make a new F-Zero you assholes" but if nobody is willing or passionate enough to come up with a solid pitch it's not gonna happen. If Itoi doesn't want to make Mother 4 it's not gonna happen. Etcetera.
Why won't Square make a new Chrono Trigger? Because pretty much everyone who worked on those games left the company and the current management doesn't think it's worth it or profitable to look into someone who could revitalize the IP.
Conversely Nintendo doesn't necessarily sit on certain games just because they ****ing hate you. It's easy to say "make a new F-Zero you assholes" but if nobody is willing or passionate enough to come up with a solid pitch it's not gonna happen. If Itoi doesn't want to make Mother 4 it's not gonna happen. Etcetera.
Why won't Square make a new Chrono Trigger? Because pretty much everyone who worked on those games left the company and the current management doesn't think it's worth it or profitable to look into someone who could revitalize the IP.
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With Pyra, Min Min, and Byleth already in, all they really have left to choose for first party dlc are irrelevant nintendo characters that haven't gotten games in years or side characters. Unless there's some kinda new ip that they want to advertise.
I can see captain toad, Astral chain rep, new ip character, pokemon all happening tho despite people saying they are deconfirmed. Also toadette could happen, i think she is a front runner
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metalhydra273
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Since sephiroth came out i'm just letting it ride out. Not feeling good about my most wanteds anymore but I'm happy with pyra/mythra. WIth that said my money is on Crash or Capcom at e3. Felt at least one of those would be a lock for the pass and I think e3 makes the most sense for a big reveal like that.
I ****ing hate Konami more than most people on here but the last thing I want is for them to SELL their IP. Licensing is fine but if I have to deal with no Snake in Smash because Sony decided to buy Metal Gear I’d be royally pissed. Licensing is good. Really good. A small fee and some royalties while the new developer/publisher makes something incredible out of Silent Hill or Castlevania is ABSOLUTELY best case scenario. And it’s happening it seems.
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No chance. The models of Xenoblade 2 are objectively of higher quality and have much better rigging than Smash models (especially noticeable in how Pyra and Mythra's hair and capes move), it's no surprise they had to tone them down considering Smash runs at higher resolution and 60 fps. And these ones in particular being just background cameos they unsurprisingly get the lowest priority.
chocolatejr9
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cough cough Euden cough cough
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The fact that his game barely exists on the European market makes him unlikely.
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So I have a question for you guys: What two characters do you think would please the greatest amount of people if they were revealed as the last two characters? As in, most of the Smash fanbase would be rejoicing and people would be happy or at least okay with them even if they weren't the characters they wanted. I would say Crash and Dante but I really don't know to be honest. What do you all think? (and what two characters would make YOU the most happy, no matter how far-fetched or unrealistic?)
Otoad64
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I never got this arguement because we have characters like Lucas who's game has never left Japan, though I guess at least his franchise has...
it's kinda hard to say who would make the most people happy but i'm gonna take a shot in the dark and say Crash & Sora. But Bandana Dee and Toad would make me the most happy
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As I've said before, I'd be more inclined to believe in Euden's chances if he and his franchise had ever appeared on an Nintendo console in any sort of way. Going from mobile only IP to being a major DLC character in Smash just strikes me as too big a jump.
Probably Master Chief and Sora. Would get huge press and would make a lot people extremely happy.
Realistically?
Probably Master Chief and Sora. Would get huge press and would make a lot people extremely happy.
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Sakurai was unaware that Mother 3 wasn't being localized when he added Lucas in Brawl.
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I think Sakurai mentioned that, had he known Mother 3 would be Japan-exclusive, he wouldn't have added Lucas.
That being said, Dragalia Lost ISN'T Japan-exclusive, so I think it has a chance.
SvartWolf
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Honestly? either a combination of crash and either Monster Hunter, or Heavy Weapons guy.
Crash is the one to please smash fans that wants console gaming icons, psx fans, multiplataform gamers and japanese western enthusiasts, fans of mascot characters, fans of platformers.. oh, and and crash fans too.
On the othe hand, monster hunter and heavy have their added bonus that neither really overlaps with the ones that are pleased with crash. and to boot have inmense fanbases on their own that not necesarily overlap with smash.
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Sora and Sora
Otoad64
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yeah, I know that, but it's not like he couldn't just scrap him or something
basically I think being reigion exclusive isn't too big of a deal
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