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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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Guynamednelson said:
:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser:
imagine telling george washing ton that one day all these characters would be in the same game
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He'd probably shoot Bowser because he looks different and then go steal his castle, massacring the Koopa Troopa population that already lived there.
 
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my character support threads for Street Fighter's Guile, Karin, and Elena are in my signature, Click the sprites to check out the threads and show your support! :b:

end shill post

IMO release times for remainder of FP2: March, June, and September/October 2021. those are my guesses
 
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I'm still peeved the Geno costume didn't come with a proper Geno head.

Watch Nintendo sell a 75 cent head and music track combo to milk Geno fans that little bit extra.
 
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PeridotGX said:
imagine showing this to an evolutionary ancestor to mammals during the triassic eraView attachment 296447
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You'd probably give them an aneurysm... proving not much has changed.

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Oh that's just cruel. But so cool!

Crool. King K Rool confirmed
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People are looking at it wrong though. It's not intended to stick it to anyone, it's just intended to be a nice little reference.

It's just funny that most of the people who would innately understand that reference are those who would be annoyed at the picture.

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I'm still peeved the Geno costume didn't come with a proper Geno head.

Watch Nintendo sell a 75 cent head and music track combo to milk Geno fans that little bit extra.
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I don't plan to buy the costume but I'd buy that.
 
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Ok, Teepo time is over, time to talk Tales characters.

First up are the two that people already talk a lot about:
Lloyd is one of the frontrunners of speculation for multiple reasons, one of which is obviously his Mii costume in Smash 4. That also could lead to the possibility of the Mii costume coming back, which is looking more and more likely given the pattern so far, but we'll see how things turn out. Another thing about Lloyd (or rather, about Symphonia) that could contribute to his popularity in Smash speculation is that since Symphonia started on the GameCube rather than most other Tales games starting on Sony/Microsoft consoles, there could be a bigger intersection between people who grew up with Smash and people who grew up with Symphonia.

Playstyle-wise, Lloyd has his trusty twin swords, and a lot of combat Artes to use (here's an Arte exhibition video from Symphonia for reference). He has a handful of base Artes, and a lot of his higher-level Artes are combinations of the base ones. He seems like he'd be an in-your-face kind of character, and his Final Smash would be serving you a cup of Schrodinger's coffee Falcon's Crest from the end of the video. Stage-wise, the Tower of Salvation makes the most sense, since it's visually distinct and a central location to the game's story. Tales of Symphonia also has a lot of great tracks to choose from (although that can be said of any Tales game, really).
Yuri is the other frontrunner on the Tales speculation front. He's easily one of the most popular characters among Japanese Tales fans (there's the whole thing about how he was banned from popularity polls because he kept winning them), and Vesperia was in the spotlight recently thanks to the Definitive Edition on modern consoles, including Switch. The Definitive Edition is what finally let me play Vesperia, and it's become one of my personal favorite Tales games.

Unlike Lloyd, Yuri uses a single sword (although he can also be equipped with an axe instead), and he doesn't seem like he'd be as in-your-face as Lloyd. Here's an Arte exhibition for Yuri from the Definitive Edition, although it's a lot longer than the Lloyd one. Vesperia also has a couple unique mechanics that might be incorporated into Yuri's moveset (such as follow-up attacks or Burst Artes). As for a stage, there's the Fiertia, the ship Yuri and company travel on, as well important dungeons like Zaude, which could be something like the Tower of Salvation for Lloyd.

He was also voiced by Troy Baker in the original Tales of Vesperia (the new lines in the Definitive Edition were done by Grant George), so while I think Imran's Tweet about Troy Baker in Smash was just him making a joke about how many games Troy's voiced in, a part of me wants that to be a hint for Yuri lol.
Velvet's another one to keep an eye on, since she's the most recent protagonist:
If Bandai Namco wanted to take the Joker approach and use their most recent protagonist, Velvet would be the way to go. She uses a wrist-mounted extendable blade as a weapon, but a lot of her attacks incorporate acrobatics and kicks, and there's also the matter of her big ol' demon arm. (Here's Velvet's Arte exhibition.) In Tales of Berseria, you can sacrifice some of your Soul Gauge to unleash your demon claw, which gives you increased damage output for a short time but drains your health, and after a while she uses a big finishing move before reverting her arm back to normal. Having a temporary buff that also damages you over time could be a high-risk, high-reward mechanic.

Stage-wise, I think the Titania Prison where Velvet is locked up early in the game would make a lot of sense. Overall, Velvet is a relevant/modern character with a super interesting moveset -- I just worry if CERO would take issue with her outfit.
Finally, here are a couple other characters I think could be fun but probably won't happen:
Luke fon Fabre - Tales of the Abyss
I could maybe maybe maybe see Luke happening if Bandai Namco either wanted to do something with Tales of the Abyss or wanted a curveball Tales character who wouldn't be completely nonsensical. Luke's playstyle is pretty standard sword stuff for the most part, but Tales of the Abyss has a mechanic where some special moves leave "fields of fonons." These are basically insignias on the ground that can alter and power up another special move for whoever stands on it. It'd be harder to implement if it's just Luke on the field as opposed to four party members, but fields of fonons could lead to some interesting benefits for stage control.

Ludger Will Kresnik - Tales of Xillia 2
Ludger is... kind of insane. He can switch between dual blades, dual pistols, and a two-handed hammer on the fly, and each weapon has its own set of unique Artes to use. He also has a transformation called the Chromatus that lets him use a big spear, and there's also the Linked Arte mechanic that Xillia and Xillia 2 have. His Artes exhibition is ELEVEN MINUTES LONG compared to Lloyd's 1:17. So yeah there's certainly a lot to draw from for this one lol.

Sorey - Tales of Zestiria
Sorey is from the Tales game right before Velvet's (or I guess many many years after if we're talking in-game chronology), and he's another one who would be cool from a moveset perspective. His base moveset uses standard sword attacks, but Zestiria uses a mechanic called armatization, where Sorey can basically fuse with seraph party members to have a super-powered moveset that changes depending on what element seraph he fuses with. Fire armatus Sorey uses a greatsword, water armatus Sorey uses a massive bow, earth armatus Sorey uses a pair of massive rock gauntlets, and wind armatus Sorey uses a bunch of small knives/blades that float around him. Even if they stuck with one element rather than all four, the armatus would be a really cool mechanic to include.
 
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I'm pretty bummed out that the Geno Mii costume wasn't enhanced at all as well. A very trashy answer to the matter.
Though, I kinda feel like Square for whatever reason didn't allow it, especially seeing the Tifa, Barret, and Aerith costumes lacking wigs for... some reason. It feels like something they certainly would have otherwise done.
 
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I'm pretty bummed out that the Geno costume wasn't enhanced at all as well. A very trashy answer to the matter.
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It was. It didn't get a head replacement, but it was given an update with better textures and such.
 
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So here is a fun debate: Who is the most evil playable fighter between Ridley, Dark Samus and Sephiroth?
 
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That's actually the one funny part of the Chun Leak that I kinda doubt, since it sounds more like the OP is just assuming things, but I'd find hilarious if true.

Sora was also a candidate, but it was rejected because they felt that not having any Disney characters wouldn't be right as the KH representative.
There was also Sephiroth and the Mii character from Super Mario RPG, but Sephiroth ended up conceding the spot to DQ, and the Mii one was in a very sensitive position, so it was dropped.
I've heard that there are a lot of requests from his fans, but all they say is to put him into Smash, and only few requests for a new game or a remake of his game. So what they told me is that developers are confusing about this whole Smash fever situation.
Especially from the third party side, they don't want their characters to be established as "Smash" characters, and the occasional requests for a new game are always associated with Smash representation. This kind of attitude from fans are making the devs unsure of their real intentions, that's what I've heard.
They also said that, probably it's only the loudest and most dedicated Smash fans being so on the internet, so it's hard to tell if thier real demographic really want to revive the series or not. They just couldn't take a chance on developing a whole new game by having Smash come in first.
I've been hearing this kind of talk from here and there recently, so I'm wondering just how big of an influence Smash has become.
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If anything, according to the leak, Square is more or less confused and nervous about Geno's fanbase being soo vocal and they feel like their intentions are actually not genuine in the slightest, so like, if that's the case then that is the biggest of big oofs.
 
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Faso115 said:
So here is a fun debate: Who is the most evil playable fighter between Ridley, Dark Samus and Sephiroth?
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Ridley. No contest. Sephiroth is definitely up there but I can't put him above Ridley, just maybe in his ballpark.
 
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Seeing as others shared who they’re still rooting for...

I’m still stanning Skull Kid, Midna, Tingle, Waluigi, Toad, King Boo, Goomba, Tom Nook, Gengar, Team Rocket (Jessie, James & Meowth), Chibi-Robo, Bandana Dee, Adeleine, Marx, Dark Matter, Louie, Bulborb, Plasm Wraith, Ninten, Giegue...

And our great king...

Porky Minch!
 
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Shroob said:
That's actually the one funny part of the Chun Leak that I kinda doubt, since it sounds more like the OP is just assuming things, but I'd find hilarious if true.





If anything, according to the leak, Square is more or less confused and nervous about Geno's fanbase being soo vocal and they feel like their intentions are actually not genuine in the slightest, so like, if that's the case then that is the biggest of big oofs.
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The ultimate irony - when the support is so... "fervent" that the devs think you're trolling.
 
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Shroob said:
That's actually the one funny part of the Chun Leak that I kinda doubt, since it sounds more like the OP is just assuming things, but I'd find hilarious if true.





If anything, according to the leak, Square is more or less confused and nervous about Geno's fanbase being soo vocal and they feel like their intentions are actually not genuine in the slightest, so like, if that's the case then that is the biggest of big oofs.
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Sounds fake imo, a lot of Geno fans would also like a new SMRPG, and there’s no reason for the devs to assume people are being ingenuine despite sounding serious and there being fan art and videos, plus they still allowed the mii costume of him anyway, which kinda contradicts their thoughts.

Although, there is that SMRPG remake or sequel rumor...
 
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Shroob said:
That's actually the one funny part of the Chun Leak that I kinda doubt, since it sounds more like the OP is just assuming things, but I'd find hilarious if true.

If anything, according to the leak, Square is more or less confused and nervous about Geno's fanbase being soo vocal and they feel like their intentions are actually not genuine in the slightest, so like, if that's the case then that is the biggest of big oofs.
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If SE is so concerned about their characters becoming more associated with Smash than with them, then why don't they sell Geno to Nintendo if they're afraid of him becoming that and aren't gonna do anything with him?
 
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Shroob said:
That's actually the one funny part of the Chun Leak that I kinda doubt, since it sounds more like the OP is just assuming things, but I'd find hilarious if true.





If anything, according to the leak, Square is more or less confused and nervous about Geno's fanbase being soo vocal and they feel like their intentions are actually not genuine in the slightest, so like, if that's the case then that is the biggest of big oofs.
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You know, that sounds like the most legit part of the leak.

Companies usually not understanding fan reception is the most real reaction i can expect when they are faced with a situation like this.
 
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Sounds fake imo, a lot of Geno fans would also like a new SMRPG, and there’s no reason for the devs to assume people are being ingenuine despite sounding serious and there being fan art, plus they still allowed the mii costume of him anyway.

Although, there is that SMRPG remake or sequel rumor...
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To be fair to the leak, whether it's true or not, it says that Square has noted that almost all the requests for Geno are in the context of Smash, and not for his reappearance in a Mario game or a new SMRPG, which is true.

Geno fans would obviously like a new SMRPG, but it's correct that virtually all the requests are directed at Smash first and foremost.

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If SE is so concerned about their characters becoming more associated with Smash than with them, then why don't they sell Geno to Nintendo if they're afraid of him becoming that and aren't gonna do anything with him?
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There was another 5ch leak that said they tried to sell some of the SMRPG content back to Nintendo, but Nintendo wasn't interested.

Whether that's true or not, and it probably isn't because it's 5ch, I suspect that if that were to happen, it would play out the same way regardless. I doubt Nintendo is interested.
 
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TheCJBrine said:
Sounds fake imo, a lot of Geno fans would also like a new SMRPG, and there’s no reason for the devs to assume people are being ingenuine despite sounding serious and there being fan art, plus they still allowed the mii costume of him anyway.

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I feel like a Mii costume is a far cry from playable.


I think what the leak in question makes sense though. "We don't want a character of ours being associated with Smash" is honestly not even that hot a take for a 3rd party company to take. And sure, there definitely are cries of "Remake SMRPG!", but how many more are there of "Put Geno in Smash!"


I think the Chun Leak is about 50/50 until March, and even then I think this part of the leak is more the OP's opinion, but like, the SE stance on it is weirdly believable.
 
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What if March we get Crash and our speculation gets thrown for a loop and the E3 reveal is someone else?

I mean it's another day as usual since we never really ever predict anything right :4pacman: :4pacman: :4pacman:
 
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Faso115 said:
What if March we get Crash and our speculation gets thrown for a loop and the E3 reveal is someone else?

I mean it's another day as usual since we never really ever predict anything right :4pacman: :4pacman: :4pacman:
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If it's Crash, and he doesn't bring the MonHun or Lloyd costume with him, tbh nothing really changes lol. The Chun Leak was always only 2 of the 3 characters.
 
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