Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[LiveStudioAudience]

Really with SNK the name and its legacy are still greatly respected, to the point where there characters still maintain a decent amount of relevancy.

Its just that the vast majority of that is within fighting game fandoms, though while not niche by any stretch, are often insulated from a lot of the other gaming circles. You'll have major titles which through cultural osmosis people know (Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Smash, even DBZ titles at times), but there's other tiers of fighting games which lack the same name value to a lot of fans, especially younger ones. A Guilty Gear character reveal for Ultimate is one that would induce mass excitement and high fives with one sector of gaming while producing confused stares in a lot of others, specifically because its a franchise that has so much regard by certain people at the expense of not quite crossing over to much of mainstream gaming.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Is there used to be a character revealed at EVO or no?

The August 8 presentation was announced there.

 

[RileyXY1]

Is there used to be a character revealed at EVO or no?

No, and I don't expect it unless the character hails from a traditional fighting game.

 

[JOJONumber691]

So, a Second SNK Character could happen lol.

 

[RileyXY1]

So, a Second SNK Character could happen lol.

Except I don't think it's gonna happen because almost everything was already represented through Terry's pack. If we get another traditional fighting game character I expect an Arc System Works character instead.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Except I don't think it's gonna happen because almost everything was already represented through Terry's pack. If we get another traditional fighting game character I expect an Arc System Works character instead.

I'm talking Metal Slug.

 

[RileyXY1]

I'm talking Metal Slug.

Except I don't think that they would want to ruin Terry's thing of being the representative of all of SNK.

 

[Mr. Robotto]

I'm talking Metal Slug.

We did get 5 Metal Slug tracks with Terry. I'm all for a second SNK rep, believe me. But it honestly doesn't look like it will happen. Terry already seems to represent his company as a whole. Though in my opinion, a second rep is a 100% lock for the next Smash game. Personally betting on Iori however.

 

[SNEKeater]

A second SNK character feels unlikely after all the content Terry brought. Maybe for the next Smash game if Terry returns, which I think will be the case (SNK seems to be very easy and relatively cheap to work with). But even in that scenario I don't think getting another character from them is a super likely thing.

If there was someone very similar to Terry I could see the next Smash game adding a Terry echo fighter, but the closest character for that would be Rock Howard and he wouldn't really work as an echo at all beyond sharing 2-3 moves.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

We did get 5 Metal Slug tracks with Terry. I'm all for a second SNK rep, believe me. But it honestly doesn't look like it will happen. Terry already seems to represent his company as a whole. Though in my opinion, a second rep is a 100% lock for the next Smash game. Personally betting on Iori however.

My bets on either Nakoruru, Mai with the sanitized Honor of Kings design, or Kyo

Kyo can pretty much be called the Chrom of Terry’s trailer, he got snubbed the hardest

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Though in my opinion, a second rep is a 100% lock for the next Smash game. Personally betting on Iori however.

Silly Mr. Robotto, don't you know protagonists go first? Shun'ei is our second SNK rep!

 

[Evil Trapezium]

So, a Second SNK Character could happen lol.

All they have left to represent SNK is Simea from Crystalis so I guess it's possible.

 

[Speed Weed]

This popped into my head just now but y'all ever thought about how if Banjo and/or Steve come back for Smash 6, we could theoretically get the Cloaking Device from Melee back with no TOP SECRET shenanigans

 

[JOJONumber691]

Except I don't think that they would want to ruin Terry's thing of being the representative of all of SNK.

Except for the fact that Nintendo would likely not care and realize that SNK could make some easy hype without spending as much money as most other Third Parties ON TOP of a very unique Playstyle due to Metal Slug's General Gameplay.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

This popped into my head just now but y'all ever thought about how if Banjo and/or Steve come back for Smash 6, we could theoretically get the Cloaking Device from Melee back with no TOP SECRET shenanigans

Maybe a new one? The problem with the Cloaking Device is that it's from Golden Eye 007, so unless they wanted to redesign it (which probably wouldn't be too much of a hassle if they did), they wouldn't be able to add it at all.

 

[Mr. Robotto]

My bets on either Nakoruru, Mai with the sanitized Honor of Kings design, or Kyo

Kyo can pretty much be called the Chrom of Terry’s trailer, he got snubbed the hardest

Sakurai just seems to really like Iori a lot, I wouldn't be surprised if he was one of the characters he mained back in his '95 glory days. So due to Sakurai's personal bias, I'm picking Iori as the most likely one lol. Though, yeah, if I had to pick objectively, it would totally be Kyo (accompanied with a Metal Slug Assist Trophy).

Silly Mr. Robotto, don't you know protagonists go first? Shun'ei is our second SNK rep!

Oh god no

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Obviously, the second SNK rep would be Rock Howard because how the hell did he not get a Spirit?

 

[Speed Weed]

Maybe a new one? The problem with the Cloaking Device is that it's from Golden Eye 007, so unless they wanted to redesign it (which probably wouldn't be too much of a hassle), they wouldn't be able to add it at all.

Hold up a sec, I thought it was from Perfect Dark? If it's from GoldenEye, then nevermind lmao

 

[JOJONumber691]

Hold up a sec, I thought it was from Perfect Dark? If it's from GoldenEye, then nevermind lmao

Nah it's from Perfect Dark.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Nah it's from Perfect Dark.

Wasn't it different based on the region?

EDIT: Was thinking of the Motion-Sensor Bomb

 

[SNEKeater]

Sakurai just seems to really like Iori a lot, I wouldn't be surprised if he was one of the characters he mained back in his '95 glory days. So due to Sakurai's personal bias, I'm picking Iori as the most likely one lol. Though, yeah, if I had to pick objectively, it would totally be Kyo (accompanied with a Metal Slug Assist Trophy).

Well he definitely prefers Iori to the point he got a costume while Kyo didn't (and Kyo is the protag of KOF, or at least, the OG KOF era).

I think he would still choose Kyo. SNK probably doesn't care and would be okay with anyone, but if he's adding specifically a KOF character I think the "correct" choice would be Kyo. I'm biased here I guess but while he's clearly an Iori fanboy, KOF is not an ARMS situation where it's a very new series and all in order to avoid going with the main character.

Though Iori's trailer for KOF XV just popped up hours ago... maybe that's a sign in his favour?

 

[JOJONumber691]

Wasn't it different based on the region?

EDIT: Was thinking of the Motion-Sensor Bomb

Motion Sensor Bomb was from Goldeneye outside of Japan, It was the Proximity Mine from Perfect Dark in Japan, and the Cloaking Device was just not changed internationally, and it was always a Perfect Dark Item lol.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Though Iori's trailer for KOF XV just popped up hours ago... maybe that's a sign in his favour?

His gimmick would be that he has the longest taunt in the entire game, and everyone would let it happen because the Iori laugh is too good

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Jokes aside though, there are quite a lot of ways a second SNK character could go:

• Kyo for more King of Fighters stuff.
• Mai with a new E10+ costume specially made for Smash and 100% less jiggle physics.
• Hopefully and probably not the latest protagonist, Shun'ei.
• It could be the big villain, Geese.
• Could also be Rock Howard, though perhaps they might want to add Geese first, I dunno.
• Hahoumaru for Samurai Showdown stuff.
• Could pick Nakoruru instead.
• And could also be from Metal Slug.

Hold up a sec, I thought it was from Perfect Dark? If it's from GoldenEye, then nevermind lmao

Nah it's from Perfect Dark.

Huh, I distinctly remember reading that while James Bond couldn't be added, they did manage to add the Cloaking Device, but they had to remove it from later installments due to copyright reasons. I can't find any evidence for that now though so...I dunno where I heard that.

Motion Sensor Bomb was from Goldeneye outside of Japan, It was the Proximity Mine from Perfect Dark in Japan...

Ah that's what I must have heard. Interesting that the Motion Sensor Bomb became a Super Smash Bros. item though. Does Nintendo no longer own Perfect Dark or did they just decide that it was too obscure to even get an item?

EDIT: Maybe it was a realism thing. The restrictions on that did seem to be at their highest during Super Smash Bros. Brawl, though it did allow grenades so I dunno.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Jokes aside though, there are quite a lot of ways a second SNK character could go:

• Kyo for more King of Fighters stuff.
• Mai with a new E10+ costume specially made for Smash and 100% less jiggle physics.
• Hopefully and probably not the latest protagonist, Shun'ei.
• It could be the big villain, Geese.
• Could also be Rock Howard, though perhaps they might want to add Geese first, I dunno.
• Hahoumaru for Samurai Showdown stuff.
• Could pick Nakoruru instead.
• And could also be from Metal Slug.

Huh, I distinctly remember reading that while James Bond couldn't be added, they did manage to add the Cloaking Device, but they had to remove it from later installments due to copyright reasons. I can't find any evidence for that now though so...I dunno where I heard that.


Ah that's what I must have heard. Interesting that the Motion Sensor Bomb became a Super Smash Bros. item though. Does Nintendo no longer own Perfect Dark or did they just decide that it was too obscure to even get an item?

The Copyright Reasons were related to Perfect Dark, not James Bond.

 

[SvartWolf]

I can attest that KOF was pretty popular in various arcades here in chile too.. KOF95 was in both teh most popular arcades, and run down shacks in the beachs alike.

And honestly Iori is like a fan favourite and sakurai favourite. plus he would be pretty dope.

Not expecting a second SNK character.. but certainly i wouldn't be completely surprised if Iori pops in.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Except I don't think that they would want to ruin Terry's thing of being the representative of all of SNK.

I don't think another SNK rep is likely in this pass, but I think that reason is dumb.

All they have left to represent SNK is Simea from Crystalis so I guess it's possible.

Mii Costume!

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The Copyright Reasons were related to Perfect Dark, not James Bond.

Well that's a plot twi-oh...Perfect Dark is a Rare title.

EDIT: That explains the whole thing. They couldn't use Perfect Dark, and probably didn't want to use GoldenEye 007 either since that meant continuing to deal with the James Bond franchise. They might not have had the rights to the game at that point due to how licenses tend to work.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Well that's a plot twi-oh...Perfect Dark is a Rare title.

Yeah lol.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

All they have left to represent SNK is Simea from Crystalis so I guess it's possible.

I don't think I even knew it was SNK. Yes, please. I love that game. It needs balance changes, mind you, but it's still fun.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Not feeling another SNK rep.

Only chance if we get another Pass or post-Pass individual DLC which even then is doubtful.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

It could be the big villain, Geese.

I can already see the Elite Smash matches.

RAPPUKEN
RAPPUKEN
DOUBLE RAPPUKEN
PRECICTABO
PREDICTABO
PREDICTABO
DIE FOREVER
RAGING STORM!!!

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I can already see the Elite Smash matches.

RAPPUKEN
RAPPUKEN
DOUBLE RAPPUKEN
PRECICTABO
PREDICTABO
PREDICTABO
DIE FOREVER
RAGING STORM!!!

Inaccurate. Spam as they might, nobody ever lands counters.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Inaccurate. Spam as they might, nobody ever lands counters.

They will when it's Geese

 

[JOJONumber691]

They will when it's Geese

Geese is Ganondorf but Good and John Kreese but from a Video Game.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Geese could bring us a pretty neat stage. It could be in that building that he falls out of after you beat him, and it would be a simple flat stage for the most part (all characters can get thrown out the windows so there aren't any walls here), but by doing a special input like Spot Dodging or doing the opposite of that command or something, they can jump into the background and fight there with similar mechanics to how this worked in Jungle Hijinxs. Terry and Geese could have exclusive lane change attacks as a neat little Easter Egg.

If Stage Morph is on, then the players in the background are just forced to lane change just before it happens.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Geese could bring us a pretty neat stage. It could be in that building that he falls out of after you beat him, and it would be a simple flat stage for the most part (all characters can get thrown out the windows so there aren't any walls here), but by doing a special input like Spot Dodging or doing the opposite of that command or something, they can jump into the background and fight there with similar mechanics to how this worked in Jungle Hijinxs. Terry and Geese could have exclusive lane change attacks as a neat little Easter Egg.

If Stage Morph is on, then the players in the background are just forced to lane change just before it happens.

That could actually be nice.

Maybe have Geese's henchmen in the background too? even though most of them already cameo on the KoF stage

 

[Mr. Robotto]

Well he definitely prefers Iori to the point he got a costume while Kyo didn't (and Kyo is the protag of KOF, or at least, the OG KOF era).

I think he would still choose Kyo. SNK probably doesn't care and would be okay with anyone, but if he's adding specifically a KOF character I think the "correct" choice would be Kyo. I'm biased here I guess but while he's clearly an Iori fanboy, KOF is not an ARMS situation where it's a very new series and all in order to avoid going with the main character.

Though Iori's trailer for KOF XV just popped up hours ago... maybe that's a sign in his favour?

You know, I've already seen too many mascots vs protagonists discussions here, so I don't want really want to add fuel to the fire in that sense. But it could be that after adding SNK's mascot (which is Terry obviously), they could add whoever they want from SNK's catalogue. KOF protagonists just switch around every saga: First there was Kyo during the Orochi Saga, then after that there was K' (the best one!) during the NESTS Saga, Ash Crimson followed with his Saga and now there's Shun'ei. So yeah, if we go by that logic it gets a bit complicated. Kyo hasn't really been the protagonist for more than 2 good decades now.

Though yeah, Kyo has undoubtedly been the most important and memorable protagonist of KOF. It's why I think if we don't factor in Sakurai's bias into account he would indeed be next. But who knows at this point honestly. I just think all KOF mainstays are fair game after Terry's inclusion. And regarding Sakurai's love for Iori, yeah. But you know what would strike that golden mean? A 3-in-1 character that includes all Three Sacred Treasures Team members! this will never happen lol

Also yeah, Iori looks really good. Love his design in XV. A good upgrade from whatever his XIV design was. I'm looking forward to seeing Vice and Mature the next two weeks (if they're still in Yagami Team that is).

Geese could bring us a pretty neat stage. It could be in that building that he falls out of after you beat him, and it would be a simple flat stage for the most part (all characters can get thrown out the windows so there aren't any walls here), but by doing a special input like Spot Dodging or doing the opposite of that command or something, they can jump into the background and fight there with similar mechanics to how this worked in Jungle Hijinxs. Terry and Geese could have exclusive lane change attacks as a neat little Easter Egg.

If Stage Morph is on, then the players in the background are just forced to lane change just before it happens.

It could work like Tekken 7's take on the Howard Estate. Where there's both a balcony and room section. I actually really like that stage.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

That's neat, I must say, and something I did not know about Doom. This also sounds very much like "Skull Kid's power affects time, space, and the heavens" kind of thing. And by that I mean that this is just how gravity manipulation works, any object with a gravity that's constantly increasing will eventualy make a bigger and bigger black hole. And in case you did not know, yes, black holes do alter the farbic of spacetime, no matter how big or small they are.

Yes, but keep in mind its not just passively altering the fabric of spacetime, it’s actively destroying it. As well, we know The Icon was going to consume earth, so its at the very least planet busting level.

Considering hell has consumed other universes before, its more of an intentional ability than just gravity manipulation.

 

[DarthEnderX]

John Kreese

I wouldn't have gotten that reference two days ago, but I do now, cause I just started watching Cobra Kai.