Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Rie Sonomura]

I'm not the most well versed in Koei-Techmo franchises but I'm wondering if another one of their characters could get in instead of Ryu. I know he is very iconic though.

According to the Atelier director, we’re not getting an Atelier rep so that’s out

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I'm not the most well versed in Koei-Techmo franchises but I'm wondering if another one of their characters could get in instead of Ryu. I know he is very iconic though.

There’s quite a few that could, actually. The Dynasty or Samurai Warriors characters, William from Nioh, another DOA character besides Hayabusa, or even an Atelier character like Ryza.

Only problem there is that they all have their own reasons for not being in. DOA would likely still choose either Hayabusa or Kasumi but it seems unlikely they’d choose Kasumi when Hayabusa is much more recognizable, Warriors has so many characters that differ in popularity and recognizability and if you want to think the fact that they’re historic figures is a problem then there’s that, Nioh is PlayStation exclusive and thus people feel like William is unlikely although Nioh is fully owned by KT, and Atelier is rather niche in the west and Ryza is really new but is also the most popular and has gained traction in the west.

And now if we want to say Hayabusa has something keeping him out then it’ll be no NEW game on the horizon. Even still the Sigma Trilogy is supposedly happening there. So this makes Hayabusa the big “why hasn’t he made it in” character.

 

[YoshiandToad]

I'm not the most well versed in Koei-Techmo franchises but I'm wondering if another one of their characters could get in instead of Ryu. I know he is very iconic though.

Kasumi from Dead or Alive has been used for many crossovers in the past and has appeared on Nintendo consoles. She's someone I'd consider a potential KT mascot alongside Ryu Hayabusa.

Lu Bu from the very successful Dynasty Warriors series is another option, but as he's based on a book based on real life people, he's potentially not an option despite the Warriors series success.

Other options include Monster Rancher, which much like Digimon, started as a video game series before getting famous from it's anime. There's also the half Nintendo owned Fatal Frame, but many think this is unlikely due to the Fatal Frame assist trophy.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Kasumi from Dead or Alive has been used for many crossovers in the past and has appeared on Nintendo consoles. She's someone I'd consider a potential KT mascot alongside Ryu Hayabusa.

Smash is for good boys and girls!

 

[Commander_Alph]

Smash is for good boys and girls!

That's practically understandable since DoA main appeal is the ladies badonkers, hence why DoA 6 revert back to that concept when the dev literally stated that he wanted to take the series more seriously.

 

[SharkLord]

So basically,

• Developers confirm no new Ninja Gaiden game
• Ryu Hayabusa gets a bit of an ouchy-ouchy
• He has appearances outside of Ninja Gaiden, though, so he can recover

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Smash is for good boys and girls!

Especially when Kasumi suffers from the same kind of outfit as Mai notably the panties.

 

[Perkilator]

Separate note; I wish Ike retained his Brawl voice clips for his Path of Radiance outfit, and then all the new voice clips by Greg Chun went to his Radiant Dawn outfit.

 

[Mr. Robotto]

There’s quite a few that could, actually. The Dynasty or Samurai Warriors characters, William from Nioh, another DOA character besides Hayabusa, or even an Atelier character like Ryza.

Only problem there is that they all have their own reasons for not being in. DOA would likely still choose either Hayabusa or Kasumi but it seems unlikely they’d choose Kasumi when Hayabusa is much more recognizable, Warriors has so many characters that differ in popularity and recognizability and if you want to think the fact that they’re historic figures is a problem then there’s that, Nioh is PlayStation exclusive and thus people feel like William is unlikely although Nioh is fully owned by KT, and Atelier is rather niche in the west and Ryza is really new but is also the most popular and has gained traction in the west.

And now if we want to say Hayabusa has something keeping him out then it’ll be no NEW game on the horizon. Even still the Sigma Trilogy is supposedly happening there. So this makes Hayabusa the big “why hasn’t he made it in” character.

Don't forget the fact that Nioh suffers the same problem as Dynasty Warriors as well. Both use real historical characters and their stories are based upon actual historical events (Yes, William Adams was a real person). They're both in this weird grey zone.

I'm honestly fine with it because well, I want Geralt and it'd be pretty hypocritical to think a video game character based upon a real book is legible while characters based upon real human beings would be not. They both have origins that stem outside of video games in the end. And honestly, this case can already be made from Dracula appearing as a boss.

I guess we'll just have to see, if one of those gets in it'd open the gates even more for the possibility of the other.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Especially when Kasumi suffers from the same kind of outfit as Mai notably the panties.

Well...6 changes her outfit to be more like Zero Suit Samus than Mai, but I still understand your point.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Well...6 changes her outfit to be more like Zero Suit Samus than Mai, but I still understand your point.

True, could always go with that to avoid the "For good boys and girls".

Not that I'm expecting her anyways.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

In defense of Kasumi.

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She could easily still work but, like I said, I’m not sure they’d choose her over Hayabusa when they’re a part of the same franchise.

 

[JOJONumber691]

In defense of Kasumi.

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She could easily still work but, like I said, I’m not sure they’d choose her over Hayabusa when they’re a part of the same franchise.

Maybe her and Hayabusa could be Costume Swaps, borrowing moves from each other like Simon and Richter.

 

[Commander_Alph]

DoA is basically a tamer version of Senran Kagura for average person.

 

[chocolatejr9]

DoA is basically a tamer version of Senran Kagura but not for anime fans.

Fun fact: they actually did a crossover at one point.

It's almost like they know...

 

[Will]

In defense of Kasumi.

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She could easily still work but, like I said, I’m not sure they’d choose her over Hayabusa when they’re a part of the same franchise.

I mean, I feel the same with Hayabusa and Dynasty Warriors characters. No matter what, if they want Toei's characters, Hayabusa's showing up first.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Since Hyrule warriors is dead, yeah Hayabusa is in if Koei Tecmo Character gets in. Maybe he and Kasumi will pull a Simon/Richter, but Haybusa is absolutely the main alt.

 

[Commander_Alph]

Maybe he and Kasumi will pull a Simon/Richter

A chances for that to happened seems low and I mean minus%

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Since Hyrule warriors is dead, yeah Hayabusa is in if Koei Tecmo Character gets in. Maybe he and Kasumi will pull a Simon/Richter, but Haybusa is absolutely the main alt.

We're half way through Pass 2 and as of yet no Echos who has came with DLC fighters.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

With Ryu Hayabusa's series now inactive but Ryu himself being relegated to crossover appearances, Ryu Hayabusa's position is somewhat similar to KOS-MOS or Morrigan. However I do think Ryu Hayabusa is more likely than those two due to Ninja Gaiden being larger than Xenosaga or Darkstalkers.

Maybe her and Hayabusa could be Costume Swaps, borrowing moves from each other like Simon and Richter.

No, they don't play anything alike.

 

[JOJONumber691]

We're half way through Pass 2 and as of yet no Echos who has came with DLC fighters.

I'm talking more like Skins for each other.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

With Ryu Hayabusa's series now inactive but Ryu himself being relegated to crossover appearances, Ryu Hayabusa's position is somewhat similar to KOS-MOS or Morrigan. However I do think Ryu Hayabusa is more likely than those two due to Ninja Gaiden being larger than Xenosaga or Darkstalkers.

No, they don't play anything alike.

He's also been less dormant.

His last game being 2014 whereas the last Darkstalkers and Xenosaga being 1998 (Unless you count the 2013 HD remastered trilogy) and 2006.

 

[Commander_Alph]

With Ryu Hayabusa's series now inactive but Ryu himself being relegated to crossover appearances, Ryu is in a similar but better position than Morrigan or KOS-MOS.

I'd say that he's like in the middle moreso helped by his "mascot" status from a pretty small game studio, unlike Bamco and Capcom.

 

[Greyfox22]

With Ryu Hayabusa's series now inactive but Ryu himself being relegated to crossover appearances, Ryu Hayabusa's position is somewhat similar to KOS-MOS or Morrigan. However I do think Ryu Hayabusa is more likely than those two due to Ninja Gaiden being larger than Xenosaga or Darkstalkers.

No, they don't play anything alike.

On the subject of Morrigan, I've been playing a ton of Darkstalkers 3 lately. She would be such a cool character for Smash... but that's never going to happen, unfortunately.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

On the subject of Morrigan, I've been playing a ton of Darkstalkers 3 lately. She would be such a cool character for Smash... but that's never going to happen, unfortunately.

I want my Darkstalkers 4 dammit!

While at it give me a kushtaka-based character!

 

[JOJONumber691]

The Main thing Hayabusa has going for him is the Nintendo Connection, which in combination with the Moveset Potential and Mascot Status, makes him extremely likely ON TOP of how Hyrule Warriors, his only real competition, was Deconfirmed, and heck even a potentially credible leak. I think he's 90% in, and unless he gets Mii'd and/or gets a Spirit Event, I'm going to always keep Hayabusa on my Predictions.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Given the the long cycle of speculation about Hayabusa and the history of Smash curveballs in relation to predictions I'm almost expecting him to randomly appear as a Mii costume at some point.

 

[SharkLord]

Basically, it seems that Hayabusa's main perks are A: His status as an NES icon, B: His status as a Koei-Tecmo icon, and C: Koei-Tecmo's closeness to Nintendo. Pretty decent, but not enough to really catch my eye. After all, Ubisoft got all buddy-buddy with Nintendo and their big games got everything but playable status (Except the Prince of Persia... Hmm...). I'm a bit hesitant to hop on board a "hot topic" character just yet.

 

[Pallex]

Don't forget the fact that Nioh suffers the same problem as Dynasty Warriors as well. Both use real historical characters and their stories are based upon actual historical events (Yes, William Adams was a real person). They're both in this weird grey zone.

I'm honestly fine with it because well, I want Geralt and it'd be pretty hypocritical to think a video game character based upon a real book is legible while characters based upon real human beings would be not. They both have origins that stem outside of video games in the end. And honestly, this case can already be made from Dracula appearing as a boss.

I guess we'll just have to see, if one of those gets in it'd open the gates even more for the possibility of the other.

Dr. Kawashima for Smash!

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[JOJONumber691]

Basically, it seems that Hayabusa's main perks are A: His status as an NES icon, B: His status as a Koei-Tecmo icon, and C: Koei-Tecmo's closeness to Nintendo. Pretty decent, but not enough to really catch my eye. After all, Ubisoft got all buddy-buddy with Nintendo and their big games got everything but playable status (Except the Prince of Persia... Hmm...). I'm a bit hesitant to hop on board a "hot topic" character just yet.

Then again, Koei Tecmo is also Japanese, and has an Assist Trophy and no Mii's. Which are also things heavily in his favor, considering how long Steve took, with Steve taking as long as he did probably being the only reason Banjo & Kazooie were finalized.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Speaking of Ryu Hayabusa discussion.

Just came from his support thread.

https://smashboards.com/attachments/c0736134-060d-40d1-b18c-44cd78bab21a-jpeg.299828/

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

You guys are talkin Dead or Alive? NOW YOU'RE TALKIN MY LANGUAGE HAHAHAHA

Yeah man, I'd love if they picked Kasumi and such. I'm not gonna kid myself, if Koei Tecmo's getting a game, it's Hayabusa, but that's what I've been saying maaaaaaaaan. If he gets in, then TECHNICALLY DOA is repped courtesy of him and his repeat DOA appearances.

So hopefully he brings some DOA music or something with him. Bring some of the girls as Spirits in his Spirit Board or something. Even if his representation is primarily "Ninja Gaiden"

Crank some of that music sky high in Smash maaaaaaaan you'd have my vote

The Nameless Go Mad would be boss to have.

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Kasumi, Hitomi, my main girl Mila... so many great characters in DOA maaaaaaaaaaaaan.

Kasumi could totally have her new 6 outfit too




But yeah, Hayabusa OR Kasumi, you have my vote, I'd be a HAPPY BOY with either of them

 

[Firox]

Given the the long cycle of speculation about Hayabusa and the history of Smash curveballs in relation to predictions I'm almost expecting him to randomly appear as a Mii costume at some point.

My thoughts exactly. The fact that Hayabusa was one of the first "insider leaks" yet still hasn't showed up leads me to believe he was one of the many leak baits out there. Granted there is a chance that he ends up like Steve and just had a really long negotiation cycle but considering how close Nintendo and Koei Tecmo are, I highly doubt it.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Speaking of Ryu Hayabusa discussion.

Just came from his support thread.

https://smashboards.com/attachments/c0736134-060d-40d1-b18c-44cd78bab21a-jpeg.299828/

When was this interview originally conducted?

 

[Firox]

I think it's worth noting the pattern we've seen when it comes to DLC newcomers thus far:

-PP (Ranged brawler-as in, brawler with mild to strong zoning elements)
-Joker (brawler-as in, non-swordie/non-zoner)
-Hero (swordie)
-BK (ranged brawler)
-Terry (brawler)
-Byleth (swordie)
-Min Min (ranged brawler)
-Steve (brawler)
-Sephiroth (swordie)

This leads me to believe that the next character will be either a ranged brawler or actually be our first gunner-type character (which we've been suspiciously missing). If we have any more swordies this pass, they will be fighter #10 or 11 and we will likely only get one more.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I think it's worth noting the pattern we've seen when it comes to DLC newcomers thus far:

-PP (Ranged brawler-as in, brawler with mild to strong zoning elements)
-Joker (brawler-as in, non-swordie/non-zoner)
-Hero (swordie)
-BK (ranged brawler)
-Terry (brawler)
-Byleth (swordie)
-Min Min (ranged brawler)
-Steve (brawler)
-Sephiroth (swordie)

This leads me to believe that the next character will be either a ranged brawler or actually be our first gunner-type character (which we've been suspiciously missing). If we have any more swordies this pass, they will be fighter #10 or 11 and we will likely only get one more.

What if... hybrid swordie-gunner? Like they she have both sword and gun type weapons in their moveset

I have two characters in mind for this

 

[Firox]

What if... hybrid swordie-gunner? Like they she have both sword and gun type weapons in their moveset

I have two characters in mind for this

I bet I know who you're thinking, and I'd totally be down.

 

[Greyfox22]

What if... hybrid swordie-gunner? Like they she have both sword and gun type weapons in their moveset

I have two characters in mind for this

Does their name Start with an R and end with a U?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Does their name Start with an R and end with a U?

Uhhhh whomst

my options were both KOS-MOS and Elma btw

 

[Firox]

Uhhhh whomst

my options were both KOS-MOS and Elma btw

Bingo. Honestly, either would be fun, especially the former for me.