Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[chocolatejr9]

Yeah yeah, "The Pacman amiibo's a shelfwarmer because he's iconic but not popular, like Hitler", I remember that too

Friendly reminder that, if you ever think about comparing something to Hitler, DON'T DO IT.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

Friendly reminder that, if you ever think about comparing something to Hitler, DON'T DO IT.

Instead, correlate a Travis Touchdown Mii to the amount of Covid deaths hitting a milestone. I wish I was joking about that someone said that one as well but alas.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Aight let’s change these subjects please

 

[Speed Weed]

ok guys what is your opinion on opa-opa from fantasy zone he's pretty epic i think

 

[Dinoman96]

Team Ninja says it isn’t working on a new Ninja Gaiden | VGC

But series director Fumihiko Yasuda reiterates he would like to one day return to the action series…

www.videogameschronicle.com

Uh

RIP Ryu?

/s...kind of.

 

[SneakyLink]

Team Ninja says it isn’t working on a new Ninja Gaiden | VGC

But series director Fumihiko Yasuda reiterates he would like to one day return to the action series…

www.videogameschronicle.com

Uh

RIP Ryu?

/s...kind of.

While it is sad to see Ninja Garden not being developed, I don’t think it hurts Ryu H too much.
Banjo & Kazooie have nothing but cameos and a Minecraft skin since 2008 yet got in so Ryu H could still happen.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

Team Ninja says it isn’t working on a new Ninja Gaiden | VGC

But series director Fumihiko Yasuda reiterates he would like to one day return to the action series…

www.videogameschronicle.com

Uh

RIP Ryu?

/s...kind of.

Ouch that's gotta sting for any fans hoping for a new entry. That's stinky.

 

[Dinoman96]

While it is sad to see Ninja Garden not being developed, I don’t think it hurts Ryu H too much.
Banjo & Kazooie have nothing but cameos and a Minecraft skin since 2008 yet got in so Ryu H could still happen.

Yeah, but keep in mind that just like K. Rool, BK only happened because of massive fan demand, as well as public backing from Phil Spencer himself. I don't think Ryu is on their level.

 

[Jerry98]

Yes, someone compared Pac-Man to Hitler and I was there to witness it.

You serious?

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Team Ninja says it isn’t working on a new Ninja Gaiden | VGC

But series director Fumihiko Yasuda reiterates he would like to one day return to the action series…

www.videogameschronicle.com

Uh

RIP Ryu?

/s...kind of.

Well we got Mega Man and Two Belmonts when their series were/are in the midst of the worst kind of death a series can have, publisher apathy. Anything can happen at this point.

 

[Speed Weed]

Y'all we're talking about Ryu ****ing Hayabusa here, I don't think the lack of a new game hurts him too much

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Well we got Mega Man and Two Belmonts when their series were/are in the midst of the worst kind of death a series can have, publisher apathy. Anything can happen at this point.

Megaman’s last game was only 2 years before the roster of Smash 4 was finalised so he was still current back then and Castlevania had an upcoming Netflix show back when the roster for Ultimate was finalised in 2015 so that IP still had a clear future.

 

[RileyXY1]

Yeah, but keep in mind that just like K. Rool, BK only happened because of massive fan demand, as well as public backing from Phil Spencer himself. I don't think Ryu is on their level.

Yeah, that's mostly correct.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I don’t think it matters that a NG4 isn’t in the works right now. It doesn’t make Hayabusa any less likely. I mean Terry didn’t even have a game coming out when he was revealed and had only been making crossover appearances since KoFXIV, which basically puts him in the same boat since Ryu has appeared in Warriors games, Dead or Alive 5 and 6, and technically both Nioh games since NG3:RE. The only thing Terry had going for him was the rereleases of the older KoF and Fatal Fury games on Switch and, well, Hayabusa has that as well.

That rumored Sigma Collection is one thing but NG being one of the first games on NSO is also a big deal. Yeah, if anything it’s just a bummer that it’ll be a bit before we get NG4 but it does nothing to Hayabusa’s Smash chances. Especially if that Sigma Trilogy is legit.

And even then, I hardly ever take interviews at face value because people can say whatever they want to make us think that it’s not happening just to surprise us with it later. The Koei-Tecmo quote of “we’re going to show you a lot of games this year that will make you say FINALLY” tells me that SOMETHING Ninja Gaiden is in the oven.

Edit: added citation for the FINALLY quote.

 

[Dinoman96]

And again, both of those characters were massive fan requests.

I wouldn't mind Ryu, but he honestly has always felt like a character propped up because of "he makes sense". As in Nintendo has a good relationship with Koei Tecmo and Ninja Gaiden is a long running franchise hailing from the NES era.

Problem is is that the Ninja Gaiden IP itself hasn't been really relevant in ages, and well, there probably isn't as much fan demand for it to be in Smash as there was with Mega Man, Castlevania and Banjo-Kazooie. I think he could still happen, but to me, I've just been kinda getting Travis Touchdown sort of vibes with him lately, as in "that one character everyone thinks is gonna happen but then it just doesn't.".

 

[Evil Trapezium]

ok guys what is your opinion on opa-opa from fantasy zone he's pretty epic i think

I think he's cool. I like how his wings act like hands in Sonic All-stars racing.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Megaman’s last game was only 2 years before the roster of Smash 4 was finalised so he was still current back then and Castlevania had an upcoming Netflix show back when the roster for Ultimate was finalised in 2015 so that IP still had a clear future.

I dunno, I think "burn all the half complete projects to the ground because the dev lead left" is a preeeeeetty unhealthy place for a franchise to be in.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

My prediction hasn't really changed.

CP9: Yuri Lowell
CP10: Chun-Li
CP11: Cinderace

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I mean, isn’t the Ninja Gaiden IP still being used? As long as there is still stuff like merchandise and stuff being made for the IP, it still has a clear future.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I dunno, I think "burn all the half complete projects to the ground because the dev lead left" is a preeeeeetty unhealthy place for a franchise to be in.

Now who would make such a silly decision?

removes mask

Flame Hyenard?!?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

People are missing the point. Hayabusa is a lot more than Ninja Gaiden. He’s a big part of KTs biggest franchises. Warriors Orochi 4 brought him back as the ONLY crossover character because of backlash. Dead or Alive places him in a key character role in every game, and Nioh is built on the foundation of NG and hails to the games through cameos from Hayabusa’s and in its gameplay itself. Literally a perfect example is Terry. That’s petty much the same situation Hayabusa is in.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

People are missing the point. Hayabusa is a lot more than Ninja Gaiden. He’s a big part of KTs biggest franchises. Warriors Orochi 4 brought him back as the ONLY crossover character because of backlash. Dead or Alive places him in a key character role in every game, and Nioh is built on the foundation of NG and hails to the games through cameos from Hayabusa’s and in its gameplay itself. Literally a perfect example is Terry. That’s petty much the same situation Hayabusa is in.

He's to KT as Mario is to Nintendo, what Master Chief is to Microsoft, what Sonic is to Sega and what Ryu/Mega Man is to Capcom.

 

[Commander_Alph]

I mean is it really a valid indication that it's your company mascot just because he is splattered around on every game? I mean you could say that to Bomberman as he is a mascot to Konami and yet here we are. I mean Terry is pretty obvious because we already know he is SNK mascot because of his hat having the word "Neo Geo" on it. And also

Warriors Orochi 4 brought him back as the ONLY crossover character because of backlash.

Need citation on that

 

[MooMew64]

I mean is it really a valid indication that it's your company mascot just because he is splattered around on every game? I mean you could say that to Bomberman as he is a mascot to Konami and yet here we are. I mean Terry is pretty obvious because we already know he is SNK mascot because of his hat having the word "Neo Geo" on it.

I mean, the whole point of having a mascot is to do just that: Throw them into everything you can for the sake of marketing and branding. I'd definitely say that Ryu is KT's most iconic character.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I mean is it really a valid indication that it's your company mascot just because he is splattered around on every game? I mean you could say that to Bomberman as he is a mascot to Konami and yet here we are.

And Master Chief isn't in the game either, but I don't think that's the point. I think the point is that Ryu's mascot status means that even though the Ninja Gaiden series is dead, inactive, or whatever, he still has enough notable appearances for the character himself to warrant inclusion without a new game in the works.

This doesn't mean they won't add a Dynasty Warriors and a Dead or Alive character first, but it does mean that Ryu's chances aren't 0.

 

[Greyfox22]

While it is sad to see Ninja Garden not being developed, I don’t think it hurts Ryu H too much.
Banjo & Kazooie have nothing but cameos and a Minecraft skin since 2008 yet got in so Ryu H could still happen.

Just conjecture here, but honestly, I think this might hurt Ryu`s chances a fair amount. It seems almost any time a dlc character has been added, there is either a new game relating to the character that has been released relatively recently (like within a couple of years of relevancy), or in Banjo-Kazooie's case, there was overwhelming demand in the Smash community. Ryu may be popular, but in terms of a character added to please fans, I just can't see him getting in over other more popular picks.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Current Predictions:
CP9: Complicated First Party or Cadence.
CP10: Ryu Hayabusa (at whatever the E3 Substitute is)
CP11: 2021 Character from Preexisting Series

 

[Commander_Alph]

This doesn't mean they won't add a Dynasty Warriors and a Dead or Alive character first, but it does mean that Ryu's chances aren't 0.

That's what I'm trying to say, I'm not trying to discredit him for not having a chance but that everyone trying to discredited everyone just for Hayabusa's sake and just carelessly slapping a big fat 0 worth of chances, it's like the "No Lloyd No Bamco" thought process all over again.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Team Ninja says it isn’t working on a new Ninja Gaiden | VGC

But series director Fumihiko Yasuda reiterates he would like to one day return to the action series…

www.videogameschronicle.com

Uh

RIP Ryu?

/s...kind of.

Well look on the bright side: that kills a bunch of fake leaks (I've seen SO MANY leaks claim Ryu was coming with a new Ninja Gaiden of some sort).

Also, two random tidbits. First, Balan Wonderworld-posting:

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Hope none of you had anything planned for that day.

Secondly, and I know this won't appeal to everyone, but I made my first ever support thread! It's a general thread for the Disgaea series:

Smash is Gonna Get a Serious Punch in the Throat! General Disgaea Support Thread!

NOTE: This is my first time making a support thread. Chances are, I'm gonna make a bunch of mistakes. Please bare with me on this. Welcome to the Disgaea for Smash Support Thread! Here we'll discuss the flagship SRPG series from Nippon Ichi, and how it can come to Smash! (UNDER CONSTRUCTION...

smashboards.com

Now keep it mind, this is my first support thread, so I probably messed up on... everything. But I know some of you were interested in the Disgaea discussions, so I figured I'd share it here. Plus, I could use the promotion...

 

[Commander_Alph]

Secondly, and I know this won't appeal to everyone, but I made my first ever support thread! It's a general thread for the Disgaea series:

Smash is Gonna Get a Serious Punch in the Throat! General Disgaea Support Thread!

NOTE: This is my first time making a support thread. Chances are, I'm gonna make a bunch of mistakes. Please bare with me on this. Welcome to the Disgaea for Smash Support Thread! Here we'll discuss the flagship SRPG series from Nippon Ichi, and how it can come to Smash! (UNDER CONSTRUCTION...

smashboards.com

Now keep it mind, this is my first support thread, so I probably messed up on... everything. But I know some of you were interested in the Disgaea discussions, so I figured I'd share it here. Plus, I could use the promotion...

Finally!

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I mean is it really a valid indication that it's your company mascot just because he is splattered around on every game? I mean you could say that to Bomberman as he is a mascot to Konami and yet here we are. I mean Terry is pretty obvious because we already know he is SNK mascot because of his hat having the word "Neo Geo" on it. And also

Need citation on that

On what? Him being the only crossover character or the backlash? Because you can do a quick google search and see that he’s the only crossover character. And I can’t really dig through the back catalogue of Twitter, Discord, and other forums to prove that there was backlash to the lack of crossover characters.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

That's what I'm trying to say, I'm not trying to discredit him for not having a chance but that everyone trying to discredited everyone just for Hayabusa's sake and just carelessly slapping a big fat 0 worth of chances, it's like the "No Lloyd No Bamco" thought process all over again.

That's not really what people are arguing. They're just arguing that "no new game = he no in" doesn't really apply here.

 

[Greyfox22]

It could still go either way with Hayabusa. I don't think this kills his chances or anything like that, but I'm definitely less certain about his inclusion.

 

[Commander_Alph]

On what? Him being the only crossover character or the backlash? Because you can do a quick google search and see that he’s the only crossover character. And I can’t really dig through the back catalogue of Twitter, Discord, and other forums to prove that there was backlash to the lack of crossover characters.

I mean the backlash because I already know that Warriors Orochi recently have crossover character and as far as I know there's technically more crossover character in 4, not just Hayabusa. Heck he's not that special to begin with when there exist a game called Warriors All-star where every Koei-Tecmo property come together in a Musou game. Oh and did I ever mentioned that there's also a playable character from the Samurai Warriors series in DoA, albeit only in DoA 5 where Mai and Akira exist as a playable character as well which not make her that special but there's exist a literal Samurai Warriors costume pack mashup. So technically the Warriors series is a possible runner-up for KT's mascot but still I already admitted that Hayabusa rain supreme so no need to tell me.

 

[Firox]

Friendly reminder that, if you ever think about comparing something to Hitler, DON'T DO IT.

Unless, ya know, the comparison is actually about a fascist dictator that tried to conquer the world and instigate genocide instead of a plastic figure in the shape of a classic retro video game character. I don't know if people are just trying too hard to pull the comedy card, but situations like this are why serious terminologies are lost on people nowadays.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Heck he's not that special to begin with when there exist a game called Warriors All-star where every Koei-Tecmo property come together in a Musou game.

Erm...I feel like that's like saying that crossovers appearing in Nintendo games (like Samus appearing in a Kirby game) aren't special because Super Smash Bros. exists...

 

[cothero]

Final Smash should be the opponents drowning in a swimming pool cause of no ladder.

Sigh

Good old days playing The Sims 1 on the PC...

 

[Commander_Alph]

Erm...I feel like that's like saying that crossovers appearing in Nintendo games (like Samus appearing in a Kirby game) aren't special because Super Smash Bros. exists...

Forgot to tell you that this probably the only big crossover game that Koei Tecmo has and you know that KT is practically smaller than Nintendo and their IP is not that easily recognizable other than DoA, NG, and DW. The fact that their big crossover game started first as a Musou game really tell you something.

 

[Greyfox22]

I'm not the most well versed in Koei-Techmo franchises but I'm wondering if another one of their characters could get in instead of Ryu. I know he is very iconic though.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Forgot to tell you that this probably the only big crossover game that Koei Tecmo has and you know that KT is practically smaller than Nintendo.

I still don't think a dedicated crossover title would make other crossovers less special, especially if they're rare outside of a few exceptions like Ryu apparently being in everything.

I could understand saying that Ryu's crossovers aren't particularly special since he is in everything though, but that also leads credence to the idea that he's an important character.

Anyway, I don't really have a horse in the race and I needed to go 40 minutes ago so I'm gonna dip out.

I'm not the most well versed in Koei-Techmo franchises but I'm wondering if another one of their characters could get in instead of Ryu. I know he is very iconic though.

Other potential series include Dynasty Warriors (most likely) and Dead or Alive. You'll have to ask someone else to get anything deeper though.