Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Hes slept longer

Unless he died in that pic.

 

[NintenRob]

Unless he died in that pic.

He'll reincarnate

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Unless he died in that pic.

Wouldn’t be the first time.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Wouldn’t be the first time. View attachment 299337

Man, everything happened to that kid, huh?

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Man, everything happened to that kid, huh?

Everything but growing up...wait

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Everything but growing up...wait

I mean... he just napped through puberty, so technically yeah, he missed out on a lot

 

[Hinata]

I feel like at this point, everyone and their mom is saying Gen IV remakes are coming, but that's probably just me.

Anyways, we're doing distractions now? Um...

Look everyone! More proof that Balan Wonderworld is a family game!

(Please get Balan Wonderworld when it comes out, I want this game to succeed).

God, I forgot this game is coming out soon. My poor wallet is gonna be struggling these next few months.

 

[N3ON]

Maybe but I’m still struggling to understand why she’s popular in the first place. I mean, if anything I’m surprised fans don’t hold a grudge against her for coming from a game I generally see lots of hate towards. I hope her popularity isn’t why I think it is

Probably because being unable to separate the game and the character is something you mostly only saw from her detractors.
Why should she be held responsible for shortcomings that were unrelated to her presence?

Look at the Star Wars movies. People **** on the majority of them (not without reason), but many of the characters from the "bad" movies are still liked, because it's usually not the characters that was the problem.

And if you want to be real, a lot of female characters experience thread activity which betrays how likely most of the fanbase finds them, such as Lip, Shantae, Ashley, KOS-MOS, Daisy, etc. (I know Daisy got in but they thought she'd be original), at a frequency that to me seems more common than similarly-standing male characters. I think it's mostly due to select hyperactive members, and I'm not about to cast generalizations as to their motives, but I do notice the disparity. I mean the Lip thread has a history dating back to at least Smash 4 of being unnervingly large, despite being for... Lip.

I'd say this time around you could probably throw Krystal in their midst as well, especially considering she was deconfirmed right off the bat and is a decade and a half from her last appearance, but still managed to have a thread more active than many other candidates. When her popularity formed, however, it was pretty well-founded, considering pre-Brawl Star Fox had received three new titles, at least two of which crossed the million mark, all of which featured Krystal in a major role, and the current cast at that point was just Fox and an assumed but unrevealed Falco.

So if her popularity one day resurges, the suspicious part of why it exists in the first place will only constitute a fraction of the total picture, the rest being pretty understandable.

 

[chocolatejr9]

God, I forgot this game is coming out soon. My poor wallet is gonna be struggling these next few months.

Yeah, I'm lucky my taste is games is rather limited.

Wait, that's not a good thing, is it?

 

[Greyfox22]

And if you want to be real, a lot of female characters experience thread activity which betrays how likely most of the fanbase finds them, such as Lip, Shantae, Ashley, KOS-MOS, Daisy, etc. (I know Daisy got in but they thought she'd be original), at a frequency that to me seems more common than similarly-standing male characters. I think it's mostly due to select hyperactive members, and I'm not about to cast generalizations as to their motives, but I do notice the disparity. I mean the Lip thread has a history dating back to at least Smash 4 of being unnerving large, despite being for... Lip.

Terribly accusatory take... nobody is saying such things about characters like Chun-Li or Laura Croft, at least not me. Relatively obscure characters who don`t have much popularity outside of very hardcore Nintendo fans? Yep, Absolutely. I`m not questioning her popularity because she's a female character, it's because I genuinely do not understand her popularity.

 

[Ivander]

Here's something interesting: What's a series you'd love to see in Smash, but know that their most likely choice for the series' rep will have issues getting in? And not in regards to other characters from other series being more likely or being more popular in one country compared to another country and whatnot, but with that character's design, gameplay, etc?

Like I'd love to see the Mana series in Smash, but as for their most likely pick for the series........yeah, you can see the problem.

Spoiler

There is no doubt in my mind that Riesz would probably be the top contender for a Mana rep because back then, she was incredibly popular in Japan and she still is, but nowhere near as much as she was at first. Her popularity back then was quite comparable to frickin' Tifa of all characters. And her popularity in Japan has gotten a re-raise since Trials of Mana's remake. But her default design does have suffer from easy exposure and her other class designs that aren't Vanadis don't help her case either.

 

[ahemtoday]

Here's something interesting: What's a series you'd love to see in Smash, but know that their most likely choice for the series' rep will have issues getting in? And not in regards to other characters from other series being more likely or being more popular in one country compared to another country and whatnot, but with that character's design, gameplay, etc?

Like I'd love to see the Mana series in Smash, but as for their most likely pick for the series........yeah, you can see the problem.

Spoiler

There is no doubt in my mind that Riesz would probably be the top contender for a Mana rep because back then, she was incredibly popular in Japan and she still is, but nowhere near as much as she was at first. Her popularity back then was quite comparable to frickin' Tifa of all characters. And her popularity in Japan has gotten a re-raise since Trials of Mana's remake. But her default design does have suffer from easy exposure and her other class designs that aren't Vanadis don't help her case either.

I guess I never thought about a character from Trials being the Mana rep. I suppose I am only familiar with Secret of Mana, which kinda led me to zero in on Popoi.

 

[N3ON]

Terribly accusatory take... nobody is saying such things about characters like Chun-Li or Laura Croft, at least not me. Relatively obscure characters who don`t have much popularity outside of very hardcore Nintendo fans? Yep, Absolutely.

You'll notice I didn't accuse anybody of anything, past being hyperactive. I deliberately made sure not to. I noticed the disparity, and I stand by it.

I`m not questioning her popularity because she's a female character, it's because I genuinely do not understand her popularity.

I hope her popularity isn’t why I think it is

¯\(ツ)/¯

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Yeah, I'm lucky my taste is games is rather limited.

Wait, that's not a good thing, is it?

Good for your wallet at least

 

[SharkLord]

Here's something interesting: What's a series you'd love to see in Smash, but know that their most likely choice for the series' rep will have issues getting in? And not in regards to other characters from other series being more likely or being more popular in one country compared to another country and whatnot, but with that character's design, gameplay, etc?

Like I'd love to see the Mana series in Smash, but as for their most likely pick for the series........yeah, you can see the problem.

Spoiler

There is no doubt in my mind that Riesz would probably be the top contender for a Mana rep because back then, she was incredibly popular in Japan and she still is, but nowhere near as much as she was at first. Her popularity back then was quite comparable to frickin' Tifa of all characters. And her popularity in Japan has gotten a re-raise since Trials of Mana's remake. But her default design does have suffer from easy exposure and her other class designs that aren't Vanadis don't help her case either.

Oh yeah, Trials of Mana. That was fun, though it felt kinda lacking in some places. Doesn't help that Ys VIII is basically Trails of Mana but better

Honestly Riesz shouldn't be too hard to cover up. Make the skirt a bit longer and we should be fine.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

You can have a good character in a bad game.

Just ask Silver the Hedgehog.

 

[Greyfox22]

You'll notice I didn't accuse anybody of anything, past being hyperactive. I deliberately made sure not to. I noticed the disparity, and I stand by it.



¯\(ツ)/¯

I would notice that if it was part of your post ¯\(ツ)/¯ I don't particularly like accusations that I'm hyperactive and sexist, but maybe that's just me.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I would notice that if it was part of your post ¯\(ツ)/¯ I don't particularly like accusations that I'm hyperactive and sexist, but maybe that's just me.

I don’t quite understand how you got the idea that you were the one being described as hyperactive. Seems like the people being described as hyperactive were the ones boosting the female threads. Your question about what makes Krystal special kinda flys in the face of that.

 

[N3ON]

I would notice that if it was part of your post ¯\(ツ)/¯ I don't particularly like accusations that I'm hyperactive and sexist, but maybe that's just me.

If I see anybody make those accusations of you I'll inform them as much. The only way to have gleaned them from my posts was via misinterpretation.

 

[Mamboo07]

I am the one who wants the Monster from Carrion as a fighter for Smash even though it will never ever happen.

 

[Greyfox22]

If I see anybody make those accusations of you I'll inform them as much. The only way to have gleaned them from my posts was via misinterpretation.

Yeah, my fault. Somehow I completely misread your post. Sorry about that.

Still, without me accusing anyone of anything, I was mostly just joking, I'm not sure what makes Krystal so special. Not necessarily implying that she's not considering she has one of the more popular support threads, but I can't get my head around why exactly.

 

[Spongeboob]

Here's something interesting: What's a series you'd love to see in Smash, but know that their most likely choice for the series' rep will have issues getting in? And not in regards to other characters from other series being more likely or being more popular in one country compared to another country and whatnot, but with that character's design, gameplay, etc?

Like I'd love to see the Mana series in Smash, but as for their most likely pick for the series........yeah, you can see the problem.

Spoiler

There is no doubt in my mind that Riesz would probably be the top contender for a Mana rep because back then, she was incredibly popular in Japan and she still is, but nowhere near as much as she was at first. Her popularity back then was quite comparable to frickin' Tifa of all characters. And her popularity in Japan has gotten a re-raise since Trials of Mana's remake. But her default design does have suffer from easy exposure and her other class designs that aren't Vanadis don't help her case either.

Unironically Five Nights at Freddy's. FNAF isn't even a series I like, but I think it would be interesting to see how Bamco and SORA try to turn Freddy Fazbear into a Smash fighter because I think he has the moveset potential of a brick. Not only that, but I think FNAF fits in well with the direction they're taking Smash.

 

[BlondeLombax]

What do you think of these characters and Mii Costumes in the last three slots in FP2?

Rex & Pyra
Crash
Dr. Eggman

How would you feel (as in your personal opinions) if these were the Final 3 characters?

Scorpion
Shadow
Elma

I'll play: What would think if these were our last 3 characters?

• Ryu Hayabusa
• Monster Hunter
• Waluigi

Sigh

Spoiler: If you know me, then you already know my response to all of these...

 

[SpectreJordan]

I got bored & decided to give the Japanese third party characters we’ve gotten so far a western equivalent. I’ll explain the reasons below.

This popped in my mind while I was thinking about how many of the Japanese icons we’ve gotten so far & thinking about how they could go through western characters in a similar fashion. Not really a prediction or anything but I had fun lol

Spoiler: Reasons

Snake & Lara Croft: Both icons of the PS1 era. Both series revolutionized their respective genres.

Sonic & Crash: Iconic ‘90s console mascots who once rivaled Mario.

Mega Man & Rayman: Characters from smaller, but still beloved platforming series.

Pac-Man & Steve: Characters from mega series that have transcended gaming.

Ryu & Scorpion: Fighting game icons that ruled the ‘90s & are still huge to this day.

Cloud & Master Chief: Characters from games that brought their genres into the mainstream. Once thought to be impossible due to limited Nintendo appearances.

Bayonetta & Banjo: Cult classic series that have strong ties to Nintendo. Heavy fan support helped get them in.

Simon & Rash: NES stars who’ve stood the test of time. This one is a bit iffy since Castlevania has way more history than Battletoads, but I couldn’t really think of anything else lol

Joker & Frisk: More recent characters who are from critical darlings from the past decade.

Hero & Doom Slayer: The grandfathers of their respective genres. Both of which are still going very strong.

Terry & Gordon Freeman: Characters from smaller, but massively beloved franchises within their genre. This one was another bit of a stretch. I guess I could’ve done Fulgore but Freeman felt more right.

Sephiroth & Sub-Zero: Massively popular side characters that are almost as well known as the main character.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Maybe but I’m still struggling to understand why she’s popular in the first place. I mean, if anything I’m surprised fans don’t hold a grudge against her for coming from a game I generally see lots of hate towards. I hope her popularity isn’t why I think it is

I used to be a big Krystal supporter in the Brawl era. I kind of stop supporting her because I stop caring about Star fox (after Zero I have no hope that this franchise will have a good game ever again).

I think her backstory is interesting although it wasn't that much developped. Basically she comes from another planet far from the Lylat system and it was destroyed and she was the sole survivor. She uses telepathic abilities to find who was responsible and she meet the Star fox team (and this starts the event of Star fox adventures). Then in Star fox assault, she's one of the main member of the Star fox team, replacing Peppy Hare because he's now too old. She's also playable in Star fox Command after that.

For me what I like about her was the moveset potential that her staff would bring. She can use it to throw fire and ice projectile, use her staff like a rocket to jump higher and create portals and shield with it. I think she could have been a fun character, but with today's Star fox situation, I don't see her happening. Also I think Star fox is fine with 3 characters.

Also, I never really saw that much hate for Star fox adventures. It's not the best game ever, but it's a fun adventure game. Most people who hate it it's only because "it's not Star fox, it's not a rail shooter", which is fair but that doesn't makes the game bad. Actually, I personally think that they should try the adventure formula a second time instead of trying super hard with the rail shooter formula that really don't sell well today. And Zero is far worse than Adventure.

 

[N3ON]

Yeah, my fault. Somehow I completely misread your post. Sorry about that.

Still, without me accusing anyone of anything, I was mostly just joking, I'm not sure what makes Krystal so special. Not necessarily implying that she's not considering she has one of the more popular support threads, but I can't get my head around why exactly.

No worries.

I did touch on the roots of her popularity, but do you mean why does it exist in the first place, or why does it exist still? Pretty understandable why she gained it, being a major presence of three consecutive fairly successful games in a series that at the time was given larger standing. I mean it got three games in the span of four years.

Plus she was something fresh for the Star Fox series, and unlike the adventure portion of, well, Adventures, did feel like she actually fit the series she was grafted onto.

Why does it still exist to some degree? Well if the character resonated with you at one point, time isn't necessarily going to erode that. Frankly I get why people would support her more than a character like Geno, who is cool but also... I mean that's the crux of his popularity.

Krystal is at least a large part of her series when someone other than EAD/EPD makes the game.

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I got bored & decided to give the Japanese third party characters we’ve gotten so far a western equivalent. I’ll explain the reasons below.

This popped in my mind while I was thinking about how many of the Japanese icons we’ve gotten so far & thinking about how they could go through western characters in a similar fashion. Not really a prediction or anything but I had fun lol

Spoiler: Reasons

Snake & Lara Croft: Both icons of the PS1 era. Both series revolutionized their respective genres.

Sonic & Crash: Iconic ‘90s console mascots who once rivaled Mario.

Mega Man & Rayman: Characters from smaller, but still beloved platforming series.

Pac-Man & Steve: Characters from mega series that have transcended gaming.

Ryu & Scorpion: Fighting game icons that ruled the ‘90s & are still huge to this day.

Cloud & Master Chief: Characters from games that brought their genres into the mainstream. Once thought to be impossible due to limited Nintendo appearances.

Bayonetta & Banjo: Cult classic series that have strong ties to Nintendo. Heavy fan support helped get them in.

Simon & Rash: NES stars who’ve stood the test of time. This one is a bit iffy since Castlevania has way more history than Battletoads, but I couldn’t really think of anything else lol

Joker & Frisk: More recent characters who are from critical darlings from the past decade.

Hero & Doom Slayer: The grandfathers of their respective genres. Both of which are still going very strong.

Terry & Gordon Freeman: Characters from smaller, but massively beloved franchises within their genre. This one was another bit of a stretch. I guess I could’ve done Fulgore but Freeman felt more right.

Sephiroth & Sub-Zero: Massively popular side characters that are almost as well known as the main character.

I don't like this current reality where I can't fault someone for at this point calling Mega Man a smaller series.

Plus, I mean, all the other real world stuff going on too.

But mostly the Mega Man thing.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Except I don't see it because of both the pandemic and the anniversary. I think that we're either going to get something much simpler or something much larger in scope.

If something much larger is possible with Game Freak hopefully staying safe and all that, using the pandemic as a reason against remakes doesn’t make any sense. They’ve likely had some plans already too, and they and Nintendo seem to have been able to find a way to handle the pandemic safely (assuming Game Freak has as well since their office is in the same building as Nintendo now, and Nintendo and Sakurai seem to feel safe enough having him back in a studio so y’know, plus the Pokémon DLC wasn’t delayed or, if it was, it was just by days or a week or so) without having to shift too many plans and stuff.

I still don’t think the anniversary is a good point against anything in particular, especially with other franchises doing the same thing (Mario having some focus on older games, and the same with Zelda, with history timelines etc. just being dropped online), but who knows I guess and we can agree to disagree on that.

 

[SpectreJordan]

No worries.

I did touch on the roots of her popularity, but do you mean why does it exist in the first place, or why does it exist still? Pretty understandable why she gained it, being a major presence of three consecutive fairly successful games in a series that at the time was given larger standing. I mean it got three games in the span of four years.

Plus she was something fresh for the Star Fox series, and unlike the adventure portion of, well, Adventures, did feel like she actually fit the series she was grafted onto.

Why does it still exist to some degree? Well if the character resonated with you at one point, time isn't necessarily going to erode that. Frankly I get why people would support her more than a character like Geno, who is cool but also... I mean that's the crux of his popularity.

Krystal is at least a large part of her series when someone other than EAD/EPD makes the game.


I don't like this current reality where I can't fault someone for at this point calling Mega Man a smaller series.

Plus, I mean, all the other real world stuff going on too.

But mostly the Mega Man thing.

He’s still a super important character atleast!

 

[N3ON]

He’s still a super important character atleast!

Yeah. Second most popular character Smash has had, I'd say.

But it wasn't until he stopped getting regular games that people began to treat him as anything less than part of the cream of Capcom's crop. I mean there are, what, over 100 Mega Man releases at least. Many different sub-series that found success. He was at the forefront of Capcom's stable, in part because they put him there. For a long, long time, he was the de facto mascot.

Then it changed around a decade ago, and the other big series continued getting bigger. So I can't really say it's incorrect to cast Mega Man in a different light. He faltered, the others prospered. I just wish the series' trajectory had never spiralled so horribly off-course.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Then it changed around a decade ago, and the other big series continued getting bigger. So I can't really say it's incorrect to cast Mega Man in a different light. He faltered, the others prospered. I just wish the series' trajectory had never spiralled so horribly off-course.

Yeah, at the current moment it's probably a C or D-list series in the eyes of Capcom (and probably even in the general market at this point), but at least it is getting games now, though they're still mostly just putting the feelers out to see what people are still interested in.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

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Random but cute picture featuring a lot of Capcom characters

I too, would like to take this opportunity to post cute Capcom art.

Poker night at Capcom's house.#Teppen pic.twitter.com/4yvfs8vkBP

— Pidgin ☕️ (@StelarPidgin) November 20, 2020

Spoiler

It's based off a F2P mobile game's playable roster, hence why a certain lawyer who would have been absolutely perfect in this scene isn't here.

*playable character status required pic.twitter.com/tC0QA9nNMf

— Pidgin ☕️ (@StelarPidgin) November 22, 2020

 

[ahemtoday]

I too, would like to take this opportunity to post cute Capcom art.

Poker night at Capcom's house.#Teppen pic.twitter.com/4yvfs8vkBP

— Pidgin ☕️ (@StelarPidgin) November 20, 2020

Spoiler

It's based off a F2P mobile game's playable roster, hence why a certain lawyer who would have been absolutely perfect in this scene isn't here.

*playable character status required pic.twitter.com/tC0QA9nNMf

— Pidgin ☕️ (@StelarPidgin) November 22, 2020

I mean, of course not. He made a living off poker for seven years. He'd clean everyone out.

 

[Mamboo07]

I too, would like to take this opportunity to post cute Capcom art.

Poker night at Capcom's house.#Teppen pic.twitter.com/4yvfs8vkBP

— Pidgin ☕️ (@StelarPidgin) November 20, 2020

Spoiler

It's based off a F2P mobile game's playable roster, hence why a certain lawyer who would have been absolutely perfect in this scene isn't here.

*playable character status required pic.twitter.com/tC0QA9nNMf

— Pidgin ☕️ (@StelarPidgin) November 22, 2020

Meanwhile, at the door:

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I too, would like to take this opportunity to post cute Capcom art.

So are they not gonna help Ryu with his gi or is that what's on the agenda for tomorrow?

EDIT: I also like how the joke was that Phoenix Wright isn't allowed when Akuma wasn't invited either. lol

 

[PLATINUM7]

Meanwhile, at the door:
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They put that in the spoiler tag.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Honestly situations like that are just weird. I guess if Dead or Alive couldn't really be seen as a spin off of Ninja Gaiden due to its events being almost completely unrelated, then I'd say he's a guest character, but if it the two series could be considered to be a part of a larger franchise, then probably not.

If the two series canonically take place in the same universe, I don't consider them guests.

Hey, there is no need to diss Crash

His games are bad! People whose games are bad don't deserve to be in Smash!

Why are you here Ice Climbers?!

I mean...his opinion was asked for, and it's not really a diss so much as an "I don't like it".

NOW it's a diss.

I'll play: What would think if these were our last 3 characters?

• Ryu Hayabusa
• Monster Hunter
• Waluigi

Psyched!

If Krystal ever shows up in a proper Star Fox game again your heads are gonna spin at how fast her popularity skyrockets back to Brawl levels.

Of course that'd require actually getting a proper Star Fox game.

They need to make StarFox 64-2. And in addition to the original squadron, add a 2nd squadron of Krystal, Miyu, Fay and one other character.

That's fine because Juri's SFV theme is the only bad SFV song, imo.

The SF4 versions are almost universally better.

Rashid's theme is a bop, though.

I hope her popularity isn’t why I think it is

Furries? It is.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

The SF4 versions are almost universally better.

Rashid's theme is a bop, though.

Doesn't change the fact that Juri's theme is the only bad SFV track.

SF4 tracks may be better overall, but tracks from V are still good if you forget Juri exists... and I don't wanna forget Juri because her character is what got me to try the franchise with SSF4

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Doesn't change the fact that Juri's theme is the only bad SFV track.

SF4 tracks may be better overall, but tracks from V are still good if you forget Juri exists... and I don't wanna forget Juri because her character is what got me to try the franchise with SSF4

Damn I didn't expect to see someone casually admitting they simped hard for a character early in the morning

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

His games are bad!

I don't really agree with that. From my experience from the first game, it can be a bit clunky and the depth perception can be kinda off sometimes, but it also seems to be an issue native to the N' Sane Trilogy so that might not be something I could dock the originals for. It's just a sort of slower paced platformer for one that doesn't have many combat elements, and it has its fair share of infuriating level design like basically every older platformer game not named Kirby (though it is on the "I hate every single level in this dang game" as I get acclimated to how the game works scale of things like the Mega Man X games so I can easily see how it can turn people off).

The most bad that I have to say about it is that the life system embodies the reasons why people find life systems don't have a place in modern gaming (that I personally disagree with, but I digress) since it just serves to waste your time here, the run away levels are a pretty terrible concept, though they are miraculously not all that terrible to go through, and the bridge level can go jump off a cliff.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Damn I didn't expect to see someone casually admitting they simped hard for a character early in the morning

It ain't morning for me