Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Baba]

Nintendo in a few months wondering why no one bought their $50 best-of 90s collection you could legitimately find on web browsers

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I really hope nobody buys the expansion so it sends a message. I know how Nintendo fans can be though...

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I believe so, because I remember it was a big deal when Castlevania: Rondo of Blood came out on VC cause it was the first time it had been officially released in the west.

Isn’t that the only release of the game on a Nintendo platform?

Still pissed there hasn’t been a Requiem Port on Switch.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I'm actually surprised Konami hasn't put out a port of Requiem for Switch yet. Given how big Richter is Japan, the system's dominance there, and Konami going all in on the console, it seems like relatively easy money there; with the profits from Western sales just being a bonus.

 

[Will]

I really hope nobody buys the expansion so it sends a message. I know how Nintendo fans can be though...

Nintendo fans will always defend the company like the loyal little soldiers they are. They've been weaponizing them for every shady act for the past decade.

 

[N3ON]

Honestly if you look at what Sony and Microsoft offer for their online plans, even though it's a little more, it's so resoundingly superior that Nintendo's practical highway robbery over here is just... kind of insulting. It was excusable when it was cheap, but... c'mon.

Nintendo doesn't even have native voice chat. There are still friend codes. Get your fundamentals in order before you start asking for comparable amounts to companies who know how to provide a reasonable online infrastructure. And it's funny because the shiny distraction from their shortcomings isn't even that impressive... it's Genesis and N64 games, most of which have been easily accessible one way or another for years.

At least if they had added the Gamecube, it still would've been overpriced but it would've been a service above and beyond what they've provided before, with many of those games not being easily/cheaply accessible anymore outside emulation.

 

[DanganZilla5]

I saw the news earlier and was flabbergasted. A $30 dollar increase just for N64 and Genesis games? I was afraid it was going to be $40 and even that would have been high. But $50 in total? Highway robbery. I was hyped to try out the N64 games but now I don't think I'll get it.

Compared to what Microsoft and Sony offer, this is a joke.

 

[Nekoo]

I mean.
I can just stay with my meme family membership with my friends and pay 3.55 a year with each others...so...I guess?

 

[chocolatejr9]

I mean.
I can just stay with my meme family membership with my friends and pay 3.55 a year with each others...so...I guess?

Didn' you hear? They're raising the price to $5.77 a year.

 

[Megadoomer]

I really hope nobody buys the expansion so it sends a message. I know how Nintendo fans can be though...

Part of me is concerned that the message that it sends will be interpreted as "I guess nobody wants older games on the Switch. Better cancel those plans for Gamecube Online!" (or it just leads to them not releasing older games on future consoles, or only doing what they did with Mario 3D All Stars where any retro releases are limited-time availability for no apparent reason)

Still not getting the upgrade, and even considering cancelling my online subscription (I mainly use it to play Smash with my brother when a new character comes out, which won't be the case beyond the next three days - my games are generally single player or local multiplayer focused), but I figure that companies (or higher-ups in companies) can be downright dumb when it comes to something like this.

 

[Nekoo]

Didn' you hear? They're raising the price to $5.77 a year.

Oh **** me, 2 more dollars? I can't get that one more metro ticket for tomorrow!

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

So...I take it we don't like the Expansion Pack?

 

[Nekoo]

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So...I take it we don't like the Expansion Pack?

Eh...I think people overreact. No one force them to take it instead of the normal deal.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I probably would have been a lot more fine with the price if they at least had Gamecube and GBA (GB, DS, and Wii would be nice as well) tacked on. But that level of price increase for just N64 (and Genesis, which is nice, but at the same time its a 4th Gen system on the same level as the SNES that we already have), kinda asking a little much on the old budget there.

 

[PLATINUM7]

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So...I take it we don't like the Expansion Pack?

I like the games but the price is too much for what's on offer.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

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So...I take it we don't like the Expansion Pack?

Don’t know what gave you that idea, obviously it’s the most hyped this thread has ever been!

 

[Rie Sonomura]

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So...I take it we don't like the Expansion Pack?

If they included more systems, at least the rumored Game Boy & Game Boy Color, and maybe swapped out Genesis, which literally has Sega Genesis Classics for just $8, with like the Saturn which doesn’t have fully working emulation yet

then maybe it’d be worth the price

heck like someone said throw in Turbografx-16 while you’re at it

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

For real though Nintendo asking $30 for N64 and Genesis games and temporary DLC is laughable.

If they'd added Gamecube or Wii games? Then I think it'd be worth it.

 

[Nekoo]

I mean, in a perfect world. They'd add Gamecube with Melee in it and Online Multiplayers like others NSO games and FE Path of Radiance and everyone and their mother would think it's worth it because of how absurd getting a working Melee disc is nowadays alongside even more absurd rarity of FE PoR.
(Yeah, I know, Emulation, Slippy, yadda yadda, but I'm talking about base level people. Not just smash fans)

 

[PLATINUM7]

For real though Nintendo asking $30 for N64 and Genesis games and temporary DLC is laughable.

If they'd added Gamecube or Wii games? Then I think it'd be worth it.

For $30 I'd probably bite adding that on to the price for the regular service is baffling.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I mean, in a perfect world. They'd add Gamecube with Melee in it and Online Multiplayers like others NSO games and FE Path of Radiance and everyone and their mother would think it's worth it because of how absurd getting a working Melee disc is nowadays alongside even more absurd rarity of FE PoR.
(Yeah, I know, Emulation, Slippy, yadda yadda, but I'm talking about base level people. Not just smash fans)

Just give me F-Zero GX with AX mode accessible out the gate and online and I’ll happily pay $50

 

[Arcanir]

Is that really wrong? Those with half a brain know that emulation is not just for piracy. Those that couldn't piece that together have themselves to blame for getting worked up.

Even with a newly released game, many would want to dump their copies and emulate them, so as to enjoy things like 4K resolution, mods without hacking your console, and what have you.

Considering their history, I don't think Kotaku really cared either way if people knew the difference. They chose Dread to make the article about because it had the most attention at the time and would get views from fans concerned over them talking about the emulation of a series that could use whatever sales it could get, not to satisfy anyone's curiosity.

As for the upgraded membership, I'm just going to stick to the regular one.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Well, it seems like the Youtube ratio is back to where it usually was for NSO videos.

 

[N3ON]

Well if nothing else, for all the cries of Nintendo being out of touch, they certainly knew what they were doing when they didn't announce the price in the Direct.

 

[PeridotGX]

If they bundled Pokemon Home with NSO Premium, I might consider it. But they didn't so I'm not. And I don't even know if I'll keep paying for Home.

 

[HYRULESHERO42]

If they continue to add content packs with the $50 service then maybe that could work. Like what they are doing with AC:NH’s happy home paradise thingy. Say you add Splatoon 3 content, BotW2 dlc, eshop games like new Pushmo etc. really wet the whistle with content other than N64 games that I already own and that still work.

 

[Idon]

If they continue to add content packs with the $50 service then maybe that could work. Like what they are doing with AC:NH’s happy home paradise thingy. Say you add Splatoon 3 content, BotW2 dlc, eshop games like new Pushmo etc. really wet the whistle with content other than N64 games that I already own and that still work.

Well that assumes I own all those games AND plan on buying their DLC. If I don't then it really is just 30 bucks to advertise base games I don't own for DLC I do have.

And besides, considering this yearly fee doesn't say "... and more DLC for Nintendo games!" I imagine ACNH's new content is all there is to sweeten that deal.

All around not very appealing I must say.

 

[Isaac: Venus Adept]

We have it pretty bad here in Australia with NSO. I have to get the family membership because I get it for my brothers as well. Price literally doubled from around 50 AU a year for the family bundle to over 109. No thank you, I'll stick with the normal package. And I don't even own or care about Animal Crossing on top of that lmao

 

[Ivander]

Well if nothing else, for all the cries of Nintendo being out of touch, they certainly knew what they were doing when they didn't announce the price in the Direct.

I wouldn't be surprised if part of it was on us, because lots of us were practically begging for more systems for the NSO. I wouldn't be surprised if they were like, "Look at how many people are asking for more systems for NSO......must be willing to pay alot with how desperate they sound."

Which will make it a flick if any possible plans they have/had for it go down if and when it does not sell as much as they hoped for.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

POTD.

pic.twitter.com/xBonXZTllq

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) October 16, 2021

 

[Sucumbio]

I mean, in a perfect world. They'd add Gamecube with Melee in it and Online Multiplayers like others NSO games and FE Path of Radiance and everyone and their mother would think it's worth it because of how absurd getting a working Melee disc is nowadays alongside even more absurd rarity of FE PoR.
(Yeah, I know, Emulation, Slippy, yadda yadda, but I'm talking about base level people. Not just smash fans)

This! Omfg i would totally play melee online. The way to play online now is just not my thing just wanna boot up the switch and log into Melee Quickplay!

 

[Mushroomguy12]

A connected heart is my power! Sora will participate in the war next week on October 19th (Tuesday). #SmashBrosSP

つながる心が俺の力だ！
ソラの参戦は来週10月19日(火)です。#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/Zm5Jwgpwf2

— 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ【スマブラ公式】 (@SmashBrosJP) October 16, 2021

 

[Michael the Spikester]

A connected heart is my power! Sora will participate in the war next week on October 19th (Tuesday). #SmashBrosSP

つながる心が俺の力だ！
ソラの参戦は来週10月19日(火)です。#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/Zm5Jwgpwf2

— 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ【スマブラ公式】 (@SmashBrosJP) October 16, 2021

And when Ultimate finally and truly is complete.

Everything always has to come to an end but as Aang would say it.

"Don't be sad it's over. Be happy it happened."

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Today in 2020, "Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit" will be released !! An epoch-making work that operates a radio-controlled model with a camera and runs a course of AR expression. Since Smash Bros. SP comes first, it is out of the source, but I made a screen like that. Congratulations on winning the Game Designers Grand Prize !! #SmashBrosSP

2020年のきょう､『マリオカート ライブ ホームサーキット』(Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit)発売!!
カメラ付きラジコンを操作し､AR表現のコースを走る画期的な作品｡
スマブラSPの方が先なので出典外ですが､それっぽい画面を作ってみました｡
ゲームデザイナーズ大賞獲得おめでとう!!#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/kSrZLtadtO

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) October 16, 2021

 

[Sucumbio]

Does anyone here have home circuit? Or played it? I thought about giving it a shot but never got around to it...

 

[N3ON]

A connected heart is my power! Sora will participate in the war next week on October 19th (Tuesday). #SmashBrosSP

つながる心が俺の力だ！
ソラの参戦は来週10月19日(火)です。#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/Zm5Jwgpwf2

— 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ【スマブラ公式】 (@SmashBrosJP) October 16, 2021

Hundreds of dollars in hair product on full display

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Me who is already part of a family plan with 8 people so I only pay 10 dollars.

Pricing isn't great but... I'll take it for the deal I have.

 

[ZelDan]

Yeah, the price tag on the NSO expansion is...much more than I thought it'd be. Yikes.

Like, I have nothing against emulation of old games, but I do generally like to acquire classic games officially whenever possible. By all means something like Nintendo's NSO retro stuff is cool in theory, getting to have NES, SNES, N64, and genesis games to play either in handheld form or docked mode sounds great, and if we want to get very technicaly I suppose, the value of all the combined games between all 4 systems or the potential amount of playtime you could get between them could technically more than justify 50$ (kind of anyways).

The issues I see with the 50$ price tag though are:

1. that pricing puts it much closer to the pricing of competing online services (Xbox Live, Gamepass, PS Plus), services that offer much more than NSO and offer more current, technologically-advanced games for free, which make the 50$ much more difficult to justify. As flawed as NSO was before the expansion stuff, it was atleast 20$ and was substantially cheaper compared to its competition, and even with only the NES and SNES offerings the "combined games between all systems or the potential amount of playtime you could get between them could technically more than justify the price" logic still worked too (again, kind of).

2. The fact that the expansion pass is more expensive than the base subscription, despite the base subscription offering more, seems kinda silly. I'm guessing third parties could be the reason for this, but It's silly regardless.

3. Sort of going off of the last point here, but the amount of systems we got on the NSO doubled, but the price MORE THAN doubled, which seems very off to me, and it's not like the N64 being more advanced than the other systems should really matter when it itself is still a retro, older piece of hardware.

So overall, yeah, I'm not exactly thrilled over the NSO news either. If it was overall only 30-35$ like I thought it'd be, I would have been fine with it (or as fine with paying for online as I could be), but unfortunately Nintendo did go overboard with that 50$ price tag I feel. As of now I don't know if I really feel like upgrading from the standard option. Maybe down the road I will, depending on if I can accrue enough gold points (I've been using Gold points to cover the NSO cost the past few years, covering 50$ will take much more though obviously), if I maybe get some eShop gift card(s) during the holidays, and/or of course depending on how Nintendo handles the N64 and Sega collections or NSO in general over the following months/year, etc.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

3. Sort of going off of the last point here, but the amount of systems we got on the NSO doubled, but the price MORE THAN doubled, which seems very off to me, and it's not like the N64 being more advanced than the other systems should really matter when it itself is still a retro, older piece of hardware.

I'm guessing the price more than doubled due to the DLC being thrown in there.

Frankly.... just don't give us the Animal Crossing DLC so we can get a better price or give us much more DLC so everyone will at least get something.

 

[Nekoo]

On another news, about the KH ports on switch.

Square Enix has addressed the possibility of native Switch ports for the Kingdom Hearts series and has said it's "undecided" https://t.co/sfjO9aV0Kh pic.twitter.com/JPTfyvBvbE

— Nintendo Everything (@NinEverything) October 15, 2021

Tl;Dr : the production of Native port is undecided for now and will depends on fans feedback.

For a quick timeline fact, last year Nomura said he'd love to have KH games on switch.
Only to have Square-Enix says it's never happening.

A year later, the Cloud edition is announced alongside Sora in smash.
We went from "Never you little ****s" to "they're not currently in production and depends on fan's feedback on the cloud edition".


Aka. I'm now 99% sure they're going to release them soon as part of the 20th anniversary during the year. And the Cloud version was Announced and made because it was easier for the timing, alongside a deal with nintendo who's soon going to push Cloud gaming.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

On another news, about the KH ports on switch.

Square Enix has addressed the possibility of native Switch ports for the Kingdom Hearts series and has said it's "undecided" https://t.co/sfjO9aV0Kh pic.twitter.com/JPTfyvBvbE

— Nintendo Everything (@NinEverything) October 15, 2021

Tl;Dr : the production of Native port is undecided for now and will depends on fans feedback.

For a quick timeline fact, last year Nomura said he'd love to have KH games on switch.
Only to have Square-Enix says it's never happening.

A year later, the Cloud edition is announced alongside Sora in smash.
We went from "Never you little ****s" to "they're not currently in production and depends on fan's feedback on the cloud edition".


Aka. I'm now 99% sure they're going to release them soon as part of the 20th anniversary during the year. And the Cloud version was Announced and made because it was easier for the timing, alongside a deal with nintendo who's soon going to push Cloud gaming.

Watch the games all be sold seperately at full price like the PC versions instead of that handly dandy all in one bundle

I'm guessing the price more than doubled due to the DLC being thrown in there.

Frankly.... just don't give us the Animal Crossing DLC so we can get a better price or give us much more DLC so everyone will at least get something.

They won't as it's meant to be the incentive for casuals who don't realize how much of a scam it is as the DLC in the Expansion goes away when your subscription ends