Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[RileyXY1]

I remember in Melee the reason they called it Star K.O.s is that the characters literally transform into stars or something. It was flavor text for it in the description of the Classic Mode Star KO bonus.

I think they got the idea from the Pokemon anime, where this happens to Team Rocket in almost every episode.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Going by All Star Mode, it looks like a piano is playable in Smash Bros. Remix. I'm assuming it's the piano from Mario 64, but how does that work?

I didn't see much besides its reveal trailer, but it's mostly just a silly character who can bite, etc. I barely remember much. I wasn't able to get Remix working cause I suck at updating emulation stuff, so.

Either way, this looks good. Poor Meowth, though.

 

[RileyXY1]

that would mean the cgi budget for the last character would be bigger than Sephiroths cgi budget which I don’t think that will happen. It’s quite clear sephiroth took up the cgi budget.

pyra and mythras trailer was outsourced to someone else and barely used cgi compared to min min’s trailer which had a full cgi trailer.

kazuya’s trailer was really short and straight to the point when it was an e3 reveal.

The chances of the last character being at TGA’s is slim

Especially considering that I highly doubt that they would just sit on the character for half a year.

 

[Sucumbio]

"I have something to say! It's better to burn out than to fade away.... There can be only one!"

One what, Suco?

One last character for Smash Ultimate.

Boooooo there could be bonus content!

Nope! If I'm wrong I'll eat this post.

Spoiler

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

Yeah that was revealed quite a while ago lmao, it's indeed the Mario piano

The Mad Piano... weird and scary memories come back hearing that name.

 

[spicynun]

What did Samus Hunter even do to get so much attention?

The mix of them sounding confident and overly gullible people thirsty for any rumors or leaks. I never got it either. Feels like someone who keeps rolling high enough in charisma to keep convincing people despite their track record. To put it in the most nerdy way possible

 

[Ivander]

The Mad Piano... weird and scary memories come back hearing that name.

I can understand scary, but what are the weird memories? Unless the weird is the Super Crown version of the Mad Piano.

 

[chocolatejr9]

I can understand scary, but what are the weird memories? Unless the weird is the Super Crown version of the Mad Piano.

There's a Super Crown version?

 

[Ivander]

There's a Super Crown version?

Fanmade? Yes. Around the time when the Bowsette/Super Crown surge was happening. And I mean, I'm pretty sure just about every Mario character or enemy got the Super Crown art treatment at some point. Like the Eel.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

There's a Super Crown version?

Rule 63 of the internet.

 

[Ivander]

Rule 63 of the internet.

A fancier version of it, to some extent. Technically, the idea was supposed to be less Rule 63 and more Character Transformation, since the idea was that the Super Crown turns you into Peach, with features from the previous form. Only later did it start turning more into a fancier version of Rule 63.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

I can understand scary, but what are the weird memories? Unless the weird is the Super Crown version of the Mad Piano.

The weird memories are of how Nintendo managed to make a PIANO an enemy. Yes, I've played Mario 64 DS.

 

[CommanderZaktan]

Aside from tomorrow, which is a holiday in Japan, I believe we're getting a direct this week.

 

[Will]

Aside from tomorrow, which is a holiday in Japan, I believe we're getting a direct this week.

Every week until you get it right eventually, right?

 

[Shroob]

Aside from tomorrow, which is a holiday in Japan, I believe we're getting a direct this week.

Today's the holiday in Japan.


Timezones and all. It's Monday in Japan.

 

[CommanderZaktan]

Every week until you get it right eventually, right?

Next week is TGS, you know?

 

[CannonStreak]

Every week until you get it right eventually, right?

Yeah, even if it has to be next week.

Or the next week. Or the next week. Or the next week. Or the nex-Shot

 

[Iko MattOrr]

Aside of a small initial jumpscare for it being unexpected, the piano in Mario 64 never really scared me even as a kid, I thought it was kinda funny.
Instead the Lethal Lava Land painting gave me a bit of unsettling feeling... though I used to make fun of it with a friend and call it "Ugly Face" and it helped me to forget about that. In fact, the picture is huge but the fire with a face represented in it is probably one of those little flames that Bowser throws during the final bossfight in Super Mario World.

 

[GalacticPetey]

Just finished my Azure Moon playthrough of Three Houses. This was my first time really playing a Fire Emblem game (I had played the first few chapters of Awakening but stopped), but now, 70 hours later, I have completed one. Or at least 1/4 of the game but I probably won't tackle other routes for awhile. Regardless I am a newly converted Fire Emblem fan.

And I kinda hate to say it, but I would love Dimitri in Smash. Yes, I want more Fire Emblem. I was also already neutral to positive on Byleth but honestly now I love their inclusion. Smash really does expose you to a whole plethora of games to try out. This year alone I've gotten into Metroid, Bayonetta, and Final Fantasy VII for the first time and a lot of that is in some part due to Smash.

 

[DarkFalcon]

that would mean the cgi budget for the last character would be bigger than Sephiroths cgi budget which I don’t think that will happen. It’s quite clear sephiroth took up the cgi budget.

pyra and mythras trailer was outsourced to someone else and barely used cgi compared to min min’s trailer which had a full cgi trailer.

kazuya’s trailer was really short and straight to the point when it was an e3 reveal.

The chances of the last character being at TGA’s is slim

Don't remember where I read this, but I recall the reason for Pyra/Mythra being outsourced to Monolith themselves is because they have the best understanding of their characters. It was more a sign of respect than anything. Which worked because it's my favorite trailer as a XC2 fan.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Just finished my Azure Moon playthrough of Three Houses. This was my first time really playing a Fire Emblem game (I had played the first few chapters of Awakening but stopped), but now, 70 hours later, I have completed one. Or at least 1/4 of the game but I probably won't tackle other routes for awhile. Regardless I am a newly converted Fire Emblem fan.

And I kinda hate to say it, but I would love Dimitri in Smash. Yes, I want more Fire Emblem. I was also already neutral to positive on Byleth but honestly now I love their inclusion. Smash really does expose you to a whole plethora of games to try out. This year alone I've gotten into Metroid, Bayonetta, and Final Fantasy VII for the first time and a lot of that is in some part due to Smash.

Rest assured, you're not the only one who started wanting more FE after playing Three Houses. The difference here is that I played Crimson Flower, and thus want Edelgard in Smash...

 

[ryuryunonoroi]

There is a certain cosmic irony in the fact that it was Smash that introduced the West to the Fire Emblem franchise, and now some twenty years later there are so many people whose sentiments are, "OKAY THAT'S ENOUGH FIRE EMBLEM! NO MORE IN SMASH PLEASE!"

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I actually feel fairly confident that we'll get news this week.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Only 2-3 days to find out.

Otherwise I'm not expecting anything until October and if we don't get anything there its the VGA we're waiting until.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I actually feel fairly confident that we'll get news this week.

By God I hope you’re right

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Just end my suffering already...

 

[ryuryunonoroi]

I actually feel fairly confident that we'll get news this week.

I agree. Considering Nintendo's habit of airing directs a week before TGS and that Tuesday/Wednesday is a perfect slot that lines up with their typical timing there's quite a lot of reason to be optimistic.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I agree. Considering Nintendo's habit of airing directs a week before TGS and that Tuesday/Wednesday is a perfect slot that lines up with their typical timing there's quite a lot of reason to be optimistic.

Watch how that pattern breaks.

...Yes that's just my pessimism getting to me.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Nugget of wisdom

Saying "Direct this week" every week will eventually manifest one into existence.

Try it yourself. I can guarantee it'll work... eventually

 

[cashregister9]

General Direct? Indie World? Smash Direct? What are you talking about? it's 2009 and the next issue of Nintendo Power just arrived!

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Just end my suffering already...

If waiting for Challenger Pack 11 really is the worst of your worries, can we trade lives?

 

[chocolatejr9]

General Direct? Indie World? Smash Direct? What are you talking about? it's 2009 and the next issue of Nintendo Power just arrived!

You fool! You were supposed to make a Dinosaur Office joke!

 

[DanganZilla5]

You know, there is something that I'm as curious about as the last character...the last Mii wave. If they end up showing the Miis before the fighter that will probably be one of the most tense moments we've had in Ultimate's lifespan because due to the last character being revealed soon, the stakes are raised even higher. Not to mention I'm expecting it to be a slaughter. Looking at the last Mii wave, I feel like they will do another round of fan favorites. Examples being Crash, Doomguy, Hayabusa, Phoenix Wright, Professor Layton, Neku, etc. Assuming that none of these are the last fighter, I can easily see any of these being Mii'd pretty soon.

It would be heartbreaking but at least it would be something, a pleasant surprise before the final character which will probably be disappointing to many people.

 

[Megadoomer]

You fool! You were supposed to make a Dinosaur Office joke!

For a second, I thought you quoted yourself haha.

Is this close enough?

Here's hoping we get some news this week - going three months without any updates tends to get draining, and it's getting pretty late into September.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

You know, there is something that I'm as curious about as the last character...the last Mii wave. If they end up showing the Miis before the fighter that will probably be one of the most tense moments we've had in Ultimate's lifespan because due to the last character being revealed soon, the stakes are raised even higher. Not to mention I'm expecting it to be a slaughter. Looking at the last Mii wave, I feel like they will do another round of fan favorites. Examples being Crash, Doomguy, Hayabusa, Phoenix Wright, Professor Layton, Neku, etc. Assuming that none of these are the last fighter, I can easily see any of these being Mii'd pretty soon.

It would be heartbreaking but at least it would be something, a pleasant surprise before the final character which will probably be disappointing to many people.

One thing I am confident on for the final Mii wave is that it’ll have one more Indie Mii with a song, in the vein of Sans, Cuphead and Shantae

pls let it be a Swordfighter since we got two Gunners (Sans, Cuphead) and one Brawler (Shantae)

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

There is a certain cosmic irony in the fact that it was Smash that introduced the West to the Fire Emblem franchise, and now some twenty years later there are so many people whose sentiments are, "OKAY THAT'S ENOUGH FIRE EMBLEM! NO MORE IN SMASH PLEASE!"

Man, the people who hate Fire Emblem in Smash really don’t know about this, don’t they?

 

[Megadoomer]

One thing I am confident on for the final Mii wave is that it’ll have one more Indie Mii with a song, in the vein of Sans, Cuphead and Shantae

pls let it be a Swordfighter since we got two Gunners (Sans, Cuphead) and one Brawler (Shantae)

I wonder if we'll get Shovel Knight. It seems like (much like Bomberman) they could get as close to his assist trophy model as possible, and it would mean that we'd get Shovel Knight music in the game.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Bets on Hollow Knight.

 

[KillerCage]

Just end my suffering already...

So you're becoming O'neill.

 

[N3ON]

Man, the people who hate Fire Emblem in Smash really don’t know about this, don’t they?

On the other hand most of the people who chalk up the sentiment towards FE's abundance as hate either don't seem to know or have conspicuously forgotten reception towards the series from Melee until partway through 4, when there was virtually no ire towards the prospect of more, and either Kid Icarus, Star Fox, or Kirby was in the hotseat instead.

Now does it seem like people hate those series? Not lately and certainly not in large numbers. Did those people have a change of heart en masse, or did the roster just "catch up" to their count, and other series became bigger targets?

The real commonality is the reaction against perceived overrepresentation. People take it out on the series, but that's the true underlying grievance. If FE was stuck at like three characters, it'd be right there with DK, Zelda, Kirby (ironically), and previously Metroid and Xenoblade as a series people clamoured for more from.

It and examples like Kirby should really demonstrate that any series is capable of being either clamoured for or rallied against, it actually has little to do with the series itself and more to do with the proportion of the roster it claims against other series and its own level of success.