Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Ivander]

Who would it even be lol. Pretty much every Metroid character people wanted in Smash is already here.

People keep saying the EMMI should be playable, but that's kinda like saying a BOTW Guardian should be a fighter.

A Guardian would be pretty rad.

That said, we haven't seen the entirety of Dread and besides the EMMI, there is also a possibility of a Chozo character.

• We have a confirmed live Chozo in Dread and the Chozo are like one of the biggest background lore elements of the entire Metroid series. There's not just the possibility for the Chozo we currently know about. The main antagonist could be another Chozo, possibly the Chozo General from the last Chozo Memories from Samus Returns and he and his army of Chozo are depicted with armor similar to Samus', which makes sense as the Chozo created her armor.
• The EMMI also wouldn't be a bad choice per se either. Besides their recognizable appearance, the EMMI are part of another big recurring element in the Metroid series, the Galactic Federation. And the EMMI would certainly be a cool option to represent them compared to a regular GF soldier. Yeah, once again, Dread isn't out and we don't know much, but who's to say there won't be a specific EMMI that'll be more important or persistent in the story compared to the others. And an EMMI is certainly a contender for the "Saving the Hero at the end of the game" trope that the 2D Metroid series likes to do.

Sylux has been a long speculated contender, but I don't think they are going to get attention until Prime 4 is out and that's if they are still even in Prime 4 at this point. If Dread does really good, the possibility of getting a Metroid Dread character will definitely depend on the new characters in the game.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

Honestly, if we do get Crash Bandicoot in Smash, I feel like they should mix his Warped moveset with some of his move pool from Crash 4* (no, not the new one. I'm talking about Wrath of Cortex, which is the one with the god tier music) and Twinsanity (the game that has THIS famous Cortex moment in it:

Like Black Mage Benjamin said, Twinsanity is weird).


(*: There's two different kinds of Crash 4: Wrath of Cortex, the ORIGINAL Crash 4, and It's About Time, which is the modern variation on Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex which features cameos from characters that came during Wrath of Cortex, Twinsanity, the GBA titles, and Nitro Kart.)

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Well yeah, but that user was talking about the potential success of Metroid Dread, which obviously has nothing to do with Prime 4 or Sylux.

I thought you were talking about a Metroid rep as a whole.

 

[Dinoman96]

I thought you were talking about a Metroid rep as a whole.

Well keep in mind that Metroid and Metroid Prime are basically two different series, at least in Nintendo's eyes. I don't see Dread's success (which is what Eldrake was talking about) alone leading to Sylux considering that Sylux isn't technically apart of the mainline 2D games. That would have to be up to Prime 4's success, I'd imagine. That's what I mean.

 

[XorahnGaia]

The talk between Sakurai and Harada is streaming right about now. There are English subtitles so it's not a problem if you don't understand japanese

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I think the interesting story will be Dread's sales in the West vs. Japan. It'll do solidly well in the former given not only the bigger spotlight put on Metroid over the years but also that there have been loads of young fans in NA and Europe exposed to the Metroidvania genre, and It's never been a better to time to have a game come out from one of its progenitors. The latter is harder to predict. On one hand, the Switch is basically running the table in the region, and you have titles like the Pikmin 3 port doing better now than the franchise has ever done. However, Japan also not embraced the series a lot throughout its history, and it remains to be seen if the more horror like focus will be a benefit or detriment to fans there.

What effect it'll have on Smash selections I don't know, but it may determine if another Metroid character is considered by developers as a universal appeal figure or one catered for the West.

 

[Momotsuki]

but that's kinda like saying a BOTW Guardian should be a fighter.

I've advocated for this! I think a Guardian Stalker would be a sick fighter!

 

[XorahnGaia]

lol Harada just showed Sakurai the "Never ask me for anything ever again" meme

 

[Momotsuki]

lol Harada just showed Sakurai the "Never ask me for anything ever again meme"

Aaaaaand he doesn't like it. I can't say I blame him; it has to be awkward seeing your likeness just tossed around like that especially in conjunction with things you never actually said.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

lol Harada just showed Sakurai the "Never ask me for anything ever again" meme

Source Gaming was also mentioned.

 

[SNEKeater]

Yeah Sakurai basically said he's not really a fan of memes or edits that use other people faces.

The interview ended, next week they're going to release the second part of the interview with Sakurai

 

[Sucumbio]

Metroid: I'd love Gandrayda. I don't see Prime as being necessarily separate either but I do think another Metroid rep would more likely come from Dread. EMMI could be like ROBs playmate or something.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

Metroid Dread is the most pre-ordered Switch game at GameStop.

Maybe we will actually get to see another Metroid newcomer in next Smash's base roster.

Definitely a Prime 4 character.

That and Impa, Ring Fit Adventurer and maybe Astral Chain and Advance Wars characters are locks for a later Smash base roster(on top of the usual Pokémon, Fire Emblem and most likely Xenoblade additions).

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Yeah Sakurai basically said he's not really a fan of memes or edits that use other people faces.

People on the internet will still make them though, so...

 

[Lyncario]

Definitely a Prime 4 character.

That and Impa, Ring Fit Adventurer and maybe Astral Chain and Advance Wars characters are locks for a later Smash base roster(on top of the usual Pokémon, Fire Emblem and most likely Xenoblade additions).

I definitively wouldn't say that so many characters are locks for a future Smash games, especialy one that's possibly only hapening in over 5 years.

 

[CannonStreak]

Yeah Sakurai basically said he's not really a fan of memes or edits that use other people faces.

That makes me think: Waluigi was wanted in Smash Bros. Ultimate because of memes if I am not mistaken, right? If so, maybe the fact that he was wanted in for that reason could negatively affect his chances in getting in the next Smash Bros. game since Sakurai is not a fan of memes? Well, maybe not, but I just had to share this thought.

 

[SNEKeater]

That makes me think: Waluigi was wanted in Smash Bros. Ultimate because of memes if I am not mistaken, right? If so, maybe the fact that he was wanted in for that reason could negatively affect his chances in getting in the next Smash Bros. game since Sakurai is not a fan of memes? Well, maybe not, but I just had to share this thought.

Any character, or any character popular enough to have some Smash consideration has memes on the internet.

So I don't think that's a problem. Otherwise we wouldn't have Steve or Sephiroth, which had plenty of memes before their inclusion

 

[Ura]

Advance Wars characters are locks

Man I wish haha!

(I have a bad feeling that said franchise could be relegated to being just a Stage and/or an Assist Trophy again if it's not Challenger Pack 11. The competition for the next game is surreal with the amount of newcomers to be added in).

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

If we can't get more modest franchises in Smash, getting more stages based on them would at least be something. Nothing can make up for not having an Andy, Lip, or Chibi-Robo, but getting levels from them would at least be using the properties to some of their potential.

 

[Theguy123]

Was going through undertale’s OST before looking for a theme that I heard on memes and I didn’t realise how popular the OST is.

Every theme has over 1 mill views on them. Even the themes that are around 10 seconds long. Like why. What is this madness. I’ve never witnessed a gaming OST with more than 1 mill views on every track before

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

I definitively wouldn't say that so many characters are locks for a future Smash games, especialy one that's possibly only hapening in over 5 years.

A Prime 4 character, Impa and Ring Fit are pretty safe bets(Impa could get overshadowed by a new Zelda universe character but right now she is the next most consistent Zelda character after the big 3). These characters represent some of biggest franchises and games on Switch(Prime 4 could conceivably get Zelda kind of numbers based on how well Dread is doing), and by the time the next Smash comes out the Switch will be the best selling Nintendo console of all time and one of the best selling consoles period.

Astral Chain depends on whether Nintendo makes a sequel(they should and probably will), and Advance Wars depends on whether the remake does well(it is doing better than I thought it would already).

Man I wish haha!

(I have a bad feeling that said franchise could be relegated to being just a Stage and/or an Assist Trophy again if it's not Challenger Pack 11. The competition for the next game is surreal with the amount of newcomers to be added in).

Considering Advance Wars Reboot Camp is already number 10 on GameStop despite it being a December game I would say that the series is going to have a resurgence.
It seems like an excellent stocking stuffer for kids on Christmas alongside a game like Mario Party.

 

[Ura]

If we can't get more modest franchises in Smash, getting more stages based on them would at least be something. Nothing can make up for not having an Andy, Lip, or Chibi-Robo, but getting levels from them would at least be using the properties to some of their potential.

Perhaps. Call me selfish if you wish but being relegated to just a stage would sting quite a lot. Especially a franchise that has such an important legacy on Nintendo platforms and has so much to bring as a playable character. I would almost rather not having a stage at all if there's no playable character (again, I know it's a selfish desire but I don't want to be reminded every time I look at the stage selection that the series has no fighter).

Considering Advance Wars Reboot Camp is already number 10 on GameStop despite it being a December game I would say that the series is going to have a resurgence.
It seems like an excellent stocking stuffer for kids on Christmas alongside a game like Mario Party.

It is doing quite well for itself (and thank goodness for that mind you haha) but I don't see it doing like, Metroid Dread sales numbers or even Xenoblade 2 sales numbers. We'd be pretty lucky to get something in the 1M-1.5M sales range and even that is not enough to guarantee a playable character as seen with the many Stage/Assist Trophy-based franchises in Ultimate. Of course, the Wars series has more for it going than just sales like it's legacy and moveset potential so maybe that could give it an edge for roster selection. It's too early to tell but i'd be lying if I said I wasn't nervous about it's prospects lol.

 

[Dinoman96]

I think the only real safe bets for the next game are:

Ring Fit Trainee
A new Pokemon
A new Fire Emblem (though this could also be DLC like Byleth)
A new "surprise character" (i.e )

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

If a new Xenoblade game is out before the next Smash, then a character from that is probably close to a lock in some form as well.

 

[Ura]

I think the only real safe bets for the next game are:

Ring Fit Trainee
A new Pokemon
A new Fire Emblem (though this could also be DLC like Byleth)
A new "surprise character" (i.e )

I'd say Isaac from Golden Sun is a lock the way K. Rool was for Ultimate. He's very popular, the amount of content GS got was almost like an apology for not having a playable character, and the series is poised to be revived the same way Advance Wars was.

Aside from that, Ring Fit Trainee is in the same spot Inking was pre-Ultimate in that it's the easiest newcomer to predict. A new Pokemon & FE character is also a given like usual. We might get a surprise character but as far as retro's go, I think Ayumi has a very good chance given FDC being revived and Sakurai wanting to revisit old ideas that didn't pan out at the time.

Astral Chain has a great chance of making it in as well. Sakurai does love him his Platinum characters and the games did well enough sales-wise (also poised to get a sequel too).

Asides from that, there's also the fan favorite characters that couldn't be realized in Ultimate. I suspect they will get their chances for the next Smash. Think characters like Waliugi, Geno, Ashley, Krystal (maybe), Impa (or anyone from Zelda), Bandana Dee, etc. Then you have like 2-3 third party characters that make it in the base roster along with some echoes on the side.

I just hope Advance Wars makes it in and doesn't get the "Golden Sun in Ultimate" treatment for the next Smash lol.

 

[Ivander]

The talk between Sakurai and Harada is streaming right about now. There are English subtitles so it's not a problem if you don't understand japanese

"he doesn't like drinking water"
There's something ecstatic about someone you enjoy also not liking something that you don't like.

"Yeah, but water doesn't really have a taste, right?"
"It does have taste though..."

I swear when it comes to not liking water, one of the common criticisms you get is how you can't dislike the taste of water when water doesn't have a taste when me wanting to spit it out sometimes very much indicates that I am tasting something I don't like.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

For next game I’m counting on the following:

• Officer Howard, if Sakurai can find a way to make them work
• Elma, if X DE/X Part 2 happens by then before a Xenoblade 3, or at least in time for Smash 6
• Gen 8 Pokémon… or maybe 9
• Octoling, if they’re not the last character of Ultimate
• Maybe Ashley?
• For third parties: Neku, a non-Tekken Bandai Namco rep, Phoenix, Crash. Maybe also Jin Kazama as a Kazuya Echo, if Echoes are still a thing

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

It is doing quite well for itself (and thank goodness for that mind you haha) but I don't see it doing like, Metroid Dread sales numbers or even Xenoblade 2 sales numbers. We'd be pretty lucky to get something in the 1M-1.5M sales range and even that is not enough to guarantee a playable character as seen with the many Stage/Assist Trophy-based franchises in Ultimate. Of course, the Wars series has more for it going than just sales like it's legacy and moveset potential so maybe that could give it an edge for roster selection. It's too early to tell but i'd be lying if I said I wasn't nervous about it's prospects lol.

1 million to 1.5 million would guarantee a new Advance Wars game, and in Nintendo’s mind a Smash character will only make Advance Wars even more popular from there.

The best selling Advance Wars didn’t even sell 1 million.

 

[Ura]

1 million to 1.5 million would guarantee a new Advance Wars game, and in Nintendo’s mind a Smash character will only make Advance Wars even more popular from there.

The best selling Advance Wars didn’t even sell 1 million.

Well, let's hope so haha. I really hope this ends up being the case.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

Advance Wars 1+2 remakes will (so far) be not released in japan. So, honestly, I don’t think there isn’t too many chances for to get into smash as playable fighters.

Locks are probably Gen 8 Pokémon, Ring Fit, Splatoon 3 character and maybe a Fire Emblem or Xenoblade 3.The first 3 are from +10 millions seller IPs.

But lets wait and see who is CP11 instead of start speculating about next smash roster.

 

[Ura]

Advance Wars 1+2 remakes will (so far) be not released in japan. So, honestly, I don’t think there isn’t too many chances for to get into smash as playable fighters.

It hasn't been announced yet but it will very likely be released over there the way FDC was released in the West. And a worldwide release as well December 3rd. Just wait for the September Direct and it will very likely be announced there.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

1 million to 1.5 million would guarantee a new Advance Wars game, and in Nintendo’s mind a Smash character will only make Advance Wars even more popular from there.

The best selling Advance Wars didn’t even sell 1 million.

…why does that make them a lock? Selling well is definitely a good sign but this is making an assumption that Advance Wars gets a hypothetical new game in time with another hypothetical new Smash game and then that Nintendo will 100% use them as promotion.

I’m not against Advance Wars at all but calling them a lock for a game that doesn’t exist yet doesn’t make much sense imo.

 

[DarthEnderX]

'Because of the way Smash Bros. is made, I can't make connections with other games' — Masahiro Sakurai during Harada's Bar

www.eventhubs.com

tl;dr Sakurai: "I can't make appearances or talk about things because Smash fans are trash."

Even the themes that are around 10 seconds long. Like why.

Playlists probably.

I swear when it comes to not liking water, one of the common criticisms you get is how you can't dislike the taste of water when water doesn't have a taste when me wanting to spit it out sometimes very much indicates that I am tasting something I don't like.

Unless there's something wrong with your water, it should not have a "taste". It's literally lacking the elements necessary to activate your taste buds.

 

[toonito]

for Smash 6 i see the OG 12, a new Pokemon (Gen 8 or 9), and an FE character from its newest entry as the closest things to locks for the roster.

Other possible characters include:
Ring Fit Adventurer
Officer Howard
new AC and/or Xenoblade characters?

at least 1 of the following 4:
Dante
Shantae
Dragonborn
Lloyd Irving

Upon revealing their Mii Costumes Sakurai acknowledged these 4 in particular had fan demand which may mean they're on the shortlist for the next roster.

A current 1st party AT. Little Mac got promoted in Smash 4 and both Isabelle and Dark Samus got promoted in Ultimate. If this "pattern" holds then 3 current ATs will become playable lol. Maybe not 3 but I think 1 will make the jump. Current 3rd party ATs may get promoted but I'm not as certain on them.

 

[FreeFox]

I really liked the interview. Pretty insightful especially how Sakurai deals with the hard questions. He is great at expressing himself in manner that his words not only sound reasonable but also quite respectful (especially the part where he says he likes the industry having all sorts of people).

From what I understood, more like disliking people making memes of him, he doesnt like people using his words and image, as a man of certain influence, to their benefit. I can actually respect that and its something that does happen. I have seen many times when people are speculating and they try to twist Sakurai´s words or taking them out of context for trying to win an argument.

Also, I want some takoyaki. The one in the video looked absolutely delicious.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

Locks are probably Gen 8 Pokémon

By the time a new Smash game comes out Gen 8 will be forgotten. Arceus might even have changed everything we know about Pokémon by that point.

…why does that make them a lock? Selling well is definitely a good sign but this is making an assumption that Advance Wars gets a hypothetical new game in time with another hypothetical new Smash game and then that Nintendo will 100% use them as promotion.

I’m not against Advance Wars at all but calling them a lock for a game that doesn’t exist yet doesn’t make much sense imo.

They are a lock if the conditions I set are met. The remake HAS to do well so a new successful game in the series is made to draw characters from. A new series being represented as a fighter from an up and coming 1st party series is irresistible to Nintendo.

Nintendo wants as many original properties in the millions sellers as possible so they don’t have to worry about making a ton of big 1st party games every year. If Advance Wars can sell as well as a Xenoblade or a lower budget Fire Emblem then that means they can use Advance Wars when they don’t have those kinds of games ready yet and getting an Advance Wars character in Smash could conceivably do that for Advance Wars’ sales in the future.

 

[warubyun]

That makes me think: Waluigi was wanted in Smash Bros. Ultimate because of memes if I am not mistaken, right? If so, maybe the fact that he was wanted in for that reason could negatively affect his chances in getting in the next Smash Bros. game since Sakurai is not a fan of memes? Well, maybe not, but I just had to share this thought.

From what I've gathered, he doesn't like memes using his own or other (actual) people's likenesses, not memes in general.

 

[SNEKeater]

I'd say Isaac from Golden Sun is a lock the way K. Rool was for Ultimate. He's very popular, the amount of content GS got was almost like an apology for not having a playable character, and the series is poised to be revived the same way Advance Wars was.

Aside from that, Ring Fit Trainee is in the same spot Inking was pre-Ultimate in that it's the easiest newcomer to predict. A new Pokemon & FE character is also a given like usual. We might get a surprise character but as far as retro's go, I think Ayumi has a very good chance given FDC being revived and Sakurai wanting to revisit old ideas that didn't pan out at the time.

Astral Chain has a great chance of making it in as well. Sakurai does love him his Platinum characters and the games did well enough sales-wise (also poised to get a sequel too).

Asides from that, there's also the fan favorite characters that couldn't be realized in Ultimate. I suspect they will get their chances for the next Smash. Think characters like Waliugi, Geno, Ashley, Krystal (maybe), Impa (or anyone from Zelda), Bandana Dee, etc. Then you have like 2-3 third party characters that make it in the base roster along with some echoes on the side.

I just hope Advance Wars makes it in and doesn't get the "Golden Sun in Ultimate" treatment for the next Smash lol.

I could see Isaac being in Smash 6, yeah. Assuming the next Smash game comes out with the next Nintendo console, which should be already a thing 5 years? from this point forward, and that said game will have a sizable amount of newcomers... I would be surprised if we didn't get a few picks purposefully chosen to cater hardcore Smash fans. And with Ridley, K. Rool and Banjo already in Ultimate, there's more room for Isaac to shine, I think.

Maybe I'm falling into the same line of thinking a lot of people had during the speculation prior to Ultimate's release, but I don't know. Even if Golden Sun as a series doesn't come back in the meantime, I still think they could just pick Isaac to make the core Smash community happy. For that to happen, support for the character should keep being strong, though, but I'm confident that will be the case. Even in his worst moments, Isaac has kept a significant support as a request.

 

[Ivander]

Unless there's something wrong with your water, it should not have a "taste". It's literally lacking the elements necessary to activate your taste buds.

If I'm drinking it, and me and my mouth are going, "I do not like this.", there is very clearly something I am tasting that makes me not like it. It's especially noticeable during meal times when I have been given water to drink after I've had a meal to eat. The only time when I'm actually okay with drinking water is after a big exercise.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

They are a lock if the conditions I set are met. The remake HAS to do well so a new successful game in the series is made to draw characters from. A new series being represented as a fighter from an up and coming 1st party series is irresistible to Nintendo.

Nintendo wants as many original properties in the millions sellers as possible so they don’t have to worry about making a ton of big 1st party games every year. If Advance Wars can sell as well as a Xenoblade or a lower budget Fire Emblem then that means they can use Advance Wars when they don’t have those kinds of games ready yet and getting an Advance Wars character in Smash could conceivably do that for Advance Wars’ sales in the future.

Ah, gotcha. I could see them being a lock in that case.

I hope the remakes do well, though them not being released in Japan is a little unnerving.