Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[The Rhythm Theif]

i always thought sephiroth only spoke Japanese to keep consistent with cloud only speaking Japanese.

Kingdom Hearts, which had Cloud and Sephiroth speaking English:

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Kingdom Hearts, which had Cloud and Sephiroth speaking English

They mean in Smash Bros. itself.

Not that it matters, since they rescinded the point.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Hey look, 2021 pages
Also, um…

Some discovered in code files may suggest a 3D Kirby game on the way

https://mobile.twitter.com/firubiii/status/1308995437379158016

Warning: A curse word of two

 

[Cosmic77]

Looks like someone got their hands on the last Sakurai Presents. They took a very revealing screenshot.

Spoiler

 

[3BitSaurus]

Looks like someone got their hands on the last Sakurai Presents. They took a very revealing screenshot.

Spoiler

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Fake.
It was probably way more than 8 times, depending on the matchups and if they were playing with items on.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I mean, Banjo only appeals to old people and he didn't get that much salt because most people who rage at Smash reveals are old.

Lol at you downplaying. These characters didn’t get that much salt because they were on a different level of fan request compared to pretty much every other character. Thee’s no need to pretend they only appealed to a tiny minority of people.

 

[SmashZone09]

Lol at you downplaying. These characters didn’t get that much salt because they were on a different level of fan request compared to pretty much every other character. Thee’s no need to pretend they only appealed to a tiny minority of people.

Fun fact is that Banjo didn't appealed to most of Korean players. In Korea, Banjo is considered to be the worst dlc(EVEN worse than Byleth or Min Min)

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Fun fact is that Banjo didn't appealed to most of Korean players. In Korea, Banjo is considered to be the worst dlc(EVEN worse than Byleth or Min Min)

How come?

 

[SmashZone09]

How come?

1. Banjo was only dlc character that Korean smash players were like 'Literally who?' since Banjo-Kazooie and Banjo-Tooie didnt release in South Korea
2. Banjo doesnt have cool gimmicks he's considered as plain and boring

Yeah because of that, Korean communitys are not that big fan of highly request Western picks like Sora, Geno and ESPECIALLY CRASH. The only exceptions were Steve, Dante, Doom, Phoenix Wright and Travis

 

[chocolatejr9]

1. Banjo was only dlc character that Korean smash players were like 'Literally who?' since Banjo-Kazooie and Banjo-Tooie didnt release in South Korea
2. Banjo doesnt have cool gimmicks he's considered as plain and boring
3. Banjo is not that op.

Dang. That's gotta hurt...

 

[SharkLord]

I never played the original as my copy got sent to China and never arrived but docked mode is perhaps the worst control scheme I played on a video game as the joycons get desynced every couple of seconds and you can't play any other way when docked, the original game also makes use of all the DS's features, sleep mode, microphone, all sorts of **** which helps the narrative. I still had a ****ing excellent time on it all things considered

Ah, got it.

...Oh wait the microphone on my 3DS broke who knows how long ago

Frig

 

[pupNapoleon]

Let’s be real though, there is little chance of the last character being nearly as controversial as Byleth to the point of getting 80k+ dislikes on Youtube even in this hypothetical scenario mostly by virtue of not being the 8th Fire Emblem character. Even Cinderace would not come close to getting the same level of hate.

Careful- we could get Fire Emblem 9.

 

[Inferno7]

So Who do you think will gonna be the last fighter?

At this point I don't even know

Have been losing faith on RE, since after I reconsidered the spirit event situation, I just realized that most of those spirits would be either Legend or at the very least Ace Class in case the series got represented. So I don't think I'll root for them anymore.

Speaking of Capcom, Phoenix is pretty much the only one left standing but considering how bigger and more requested choices like Dante got snubbed, I just don't see it happening. Especially when you consider that Kazuya's alt and him overlap in terms of design (if this applies to Kiryu, then it counts here too).

Shadow does have a legitimate chance but it legit feels like I'm being biased. Well, still doesn't change the fact that SEGA is in a good spot right now, possibly the best out of any company present in base game.
So here's a summarizer:
-SEGA hasn't gotten miis or anything besides maybe the Sophia spirit (and even then you can argue that's Atlus rep) during FP2
-Nintendo playing it safe with the companies, being from both FP1 and base game (which means no new companies), and if double dip rule is legit, its chances will only increase
-Sonic being an immensely popular franchise with the most requests out of any IP when it comes to getting a 2nd rep, and not only did Seph break that fanrule, but most of the IPs in FP2 have been pretty big deals overall
-Shadow not getting a mii (unlike characters such as Bomberman) even when he's debatably the most consistently requested choice for a Sonic rep
-Most FP2 characters breaking a fanrule or two at a time
-Waluigi was Shadow's biggest competitor, and he's seemingly out due to Mario Golf's spirit event which actually added new spirits
-Sakurai liking edgy chars, with this pass in particular containing two (Kaz and Seph)
-''But what about Sakurai's pic of the day and the anniversary spirit event?'' First things first, Tekken got a pic of the day before its inclusion, and FE got 2 spirit events before Byleth. Sonic's spirit event also didn't add new spirits, and most of the viable candidates were excluded (Tails, Eggman, Knux, Shadow).

I personally have been losing faith on this as well but the evidence is there.
Nonetheless, my safe bet is a SEGA rep, no matter who it is (could be Arle for all we know), I just feel it.

 

[SmashZone09]

Careful- we could get Fire Emblem 9.

I think Fortnite Jonesy can do that.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Careful- we could get Fire Emblem 9.

I'd argue an FE4 Remake is more likely...

 

[Ivander]

3. Banjo is not that op.

Imagine disliking a character because they don't break the tier list. Bayonetta getting nerfed must've been a "Squidward's hopes and dreams" moment.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Fun fact is that Banjo didn't appealed to most of Korean players. In Korea, Banjo is considered to be the worst dlc(EVEN worse than Byleth or Min Min)

I sometimes check Korean Smash snapshots on Twitter with the Korean title tag and I rarely if ever see Banjo snapshots in that tag so yeah that checks out

 

[SmashZone09]

Imagine disliking a character because they don't break the tier list. Bayonetta getting nerfed must've been a "Squidward's hopes and dreams" moment.

What I mean was he just stays in mid tier. Not high tier like other dlc characters of course they are not big fan of op stuffs.

I should be careful with words. Or a lot of people will misunderstand.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Anyone’s possible for the last fighter.

I’m kinda glad that the DLC started with Joker. IMO, he was a giant wake up call that this game’s DLC could go left OR right field and that expecting both the expected and unexpected would be a wise decision.

 

[Ivander]

What I mean was he was just stay as mid tier. Not high tier like other dlc characters

I should be careful with words. Or a lot of people will misunderstand.

I think at this point, some people would gladly take mid tier over a Bayonetta tournament moment. Like man, that must've been brutal to those who enjoyed Bayonetta.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

The last character should appeal to absolutely no one in the smash community so everyone will be just as upset as each other. No one wins.

 

[SmashZone09]

I think at this point, some people would gladly take mid tier over a Bayonetta tournament moment. Like man, that must've been brutal to those who enjoyed Bayonetta.

Well yeah I get your point. I had to fix Banjo is not that op part because Korean doesnt hate Banjo because of that.

 

[Ivander]

So Who do you think will gonna be the last fighter?

Well, anything is possible at this point. I'm still thinking Phantasy Star, Dark Souls or Master Chief. But I'm pretty good for anybody.........except maybe Jonesy. Like, he really needs to make an impression to win me over, especially his art direction.

 

[SmashZone09]

The last character should appeal to absolutely no one in the smash community so everyone will be just as upset as each other. No one wins.

Well that's fair. But that's gonna shred this community into pieces.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Well that's fair. But that's gonna shred this community into pieces.

As if it wasn't already...

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

Hey look, 2021 pages
Also, um…

Some discovered in code files may suggest a 3D Kirby game on the way

https://mobile.twitter.com/firubiii/status/1308995437379158016

Warning: A curse word of two

Kirby 3D...
(remembers that Kirby's Return to Dream Land started out as a GameCube title called Kirby's Adventure GCN, which was a 3D game)
...I haven't heard that name in years.

 

[SKX31]

Fake.
It was probably way more than 8 times, depending on the matchups and if they were playing with items on.

Toby Fox's secretly an item combo master, though.

How come?

I actually wouldn't be surprised if SmashZone09 's telling the truth. Consider that:

A) Consoles have been (and remain to some extent) niché in South Korea, and the primary games there are computer games, particularily games like StarCraft, LoL and MapleStory (IIRC, correct me if I'm wrong). Internet cafés, or "PC Bang"s, are extremely prominent and pretty much the main place to play video games for many. There are a lot of reasons for this, but the main one - I suspect - is that PC Bangs were at the right place and right time when the South Korean government decided to make high-speed internet a priority in the late 90s. Korea is also a densely populated country like Japan, but unlike Japan consoles didn't take off there in nearly the same way.

B) As far as console games go, arcades were the go to for similar reasons as to why PC Bangs thrived. That's why Tekken rose to prominence there. There have been some outliers, like Ys (apparently Ys got an MMORPG there) which saw some popularity, but not to the same extent.

C) Nintendo of Korea was a late-comer - it was only established in 2006. That accounts for why B-K never saw release there, and while the Wii did well in Korea (IIRC), the Wii U did not and NoK came close to shutting its doors. The Switch is seeing success there though.

And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if B-K's a "literal who" there.

Imagine disliking a character because they don't break the tier list. Bayonetta getting nerfed must've been a "Squidward's hopes and dreams" moment.

South Korea's known for being an E-sports Mecca of sorts - its vocal gaming population has long been influenced by PC Bangs and arcades as well as the e-sports networks that have broadcasted StarCraft games (and other games) on TV since at least 2003. In particular, the main gaming website there (IIRC) is inven.kr, which is focused around the aformentioned titles.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of people there who prefer single-player titles too (as there are anywhere) - Animal Crossing was selling like hotcakes there as well, but Korea's a case where one can't really ignore how much influence the competitive-leaning fanbases and games have.

 

[Theguy123]

The positives of knowing sega are the front runners for the last spot is that there’s a lot going for a 2nd sonic rep which is fantastic.

the negative side of knowing sega are the front runners is sega themselves and living with the fear that they’d literally put any rep in smash before another sonic character for some odd reason even though they love milking sonic everywhere they can apart from smash as the last decade is evident.

 

[Jocario Zero]

So Who do you think will gonna be the last fighter?

I have no idea and I'm not even trying to predict it.

However I hope that it's one of those:

-Master Chief: The Master Chief Collection has been rumored to get a switch port for a while now and IF there is any truth to that, then I feel not having Master Chief in smash is a missed opportunity. Why wouldn't you go that last step, if you bothered to bring his games over to a nintendo system?
(again, IF the rumors are true)
-Arle Nadja: This one goes out for the Puyo Puyo fans here. I don't have any big connections to her and only played her game once with Nintendo Switch Online, but I really like her overall design and I saw some interesting ideas for a moveset.
-a first party rep from a recent game. I'm hoping for either Octoling (because we need more Splatoon 2 content) or Officer Howard (because bias).
But I'm not getting my hopes up.

I'm overall pretty satisfied with FP2, so I'm not going to be too disappointed if we get someone completely different (which is very likely).

The only character that would bother me would probably be someone from Fortnite and that is more because of Epic Games than the game itself.
I just don't want this company to be a part of smash.

 

[SmashZone09]

Toby Fox's secretly an item combo master, though.



I actually wouldn't be surprised if SmashZone09 's telling the truth. Consider that:

A) Consoles have been (and remain to some extent) niché in South Korea, and the primary games there are computer games, particularily games like StarCraft, LoL and MapleStory (IIRC, correct me if I'm wrong). Internet cafés, or "PC Bang"s, are extremely prominent and pretty much the main place to play video games for many. There are a lot of reasons for this, but the main one - I suspect - is that PC Bangs were at the right place and right time when the South Korean government decided to make high-speed internet a priority in the late 90s. Korea is also a densely populated country like Japan, but unlike Japan consoles didn't take off there in nearly the same way.

B) As far as console games go, arcades were the go to for similar reasons as to why PC Bangs thrived. That's why Tekken rose to prominence there. There have been some outliers, like Ys (apparently Ys got an MMORPG there) which saw some popularity, but not to the same extent.

C) Nintendo of Korea was a late-comer - it was only established in 2006. That accounts for why B-K never saw release there, and while the Wii did well in Korea (IIRC), the Wii U did not and NoK came close to shutting its doors. The Switch is seeing success there though.

And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if B-K's a "literal who" there.



South Korea's known for being an E-sports Mecca of sorts - its vocal gaming population has long been influenced by PC Bangs and arcades as well as the e-sports networks that have broadcasted StarCraft games (and other games) on TV since at least 2003. In particular, the main gaming website there (IIRC) is inven.kr, which is focused around the aformentioned titles.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of people there who prefer single-player titles too (as there are anywhere) - Animal Crossing was selling like hotcakes there as well, but Korea's a case where one can't really ignore how much influence the competitive-leaning fanbases and games have.

I mean over 50% of PC Bang gamers ONLY play LoL now. While I dont play computer games, a lot of my friends talk about LoL in recess in school.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Western picks like Sora

Da ****?

 

[SmashZone09]

Da ****?

Another reason is that Western Toxic Fans(Especially in Twitter) were too complaining that those characters are not in smash.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

1. Banjo was only dlc character that Korean smash players were like 'Literally who?' since Banjo-Kazooie and Banjo-Tooie didnt release in South Korea
2. Banjo doesnt have cool gimmicks he's considered as plain and boring

Yeah because of that, Korean communitys are not that big fan of highly request Western picks like Sora, Geno and ESPECIALLY CRASH. The only exceptions were Steve, Dante, Doom, Phoenix Wright and Travis

Is Kingdom Hearts actually less known than DMC, Doom, Ace Attorney, and No More Heroes? Did it get Korean releases?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Another reason is that Western Toxic Fans(Especially in Twitter) were too complaining that those characters are not in smash.

What do they think of Waluigi?

 

[SmashZone09]

Is Kingdom Hearts actually less known than DMC, Doom, Ace Attorney, and No More Heroes? Did it get Korean releases?

What I know is kingdom hearts 3 is only kh series that released in Korea. I don't actually know if it's less known or not.

 

[Speed Weed]

The positives of knowing sega are the front runners for the last spot is that there’s a lot going for a 2nd sonic rep which is fantastic.

the negative side of knowing sega are the front runners is sega themselves and living with the fear that they’d literally put any rep in smash before another sonic character for some odd reason even though they love milking sonic everywhere they can apart from smash as the last decade is evident.

This is the exact reverse of how I feel

 

[SmashZone09]

What do they think of Waluigi?

Mixed

 

[DarthEnderX]

What I know is kingdom hearts 3 is only kh series that released in Korea. I don't actually know if it's less known or not.

Which is fine. But calling KH a "western pick" is weird because it's huge in Japan.

 

[FreeFox]

So Who do you think will gonna be the last fighter?

Pretty hard to say. I think it will be a character from either Sega, Capcom or Nintendo.

do we know if his info about koei tecmo was from his real source before the pandemic or was that bit of info from his unreliable source during the covid pandemic. I can’t remember

Well, we got hyrule warrior spirits which might be all there is.

 

[SNEKeater]

Estelle Bright, The Dream will never Die

She would be friends with Piranha Plant and this is why:

Careful- we could get Fire Emblem 9.

But we already have Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance repped in Smash, thanks to Ike.