Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Cap'n Jack]

Damn. Put me on the spot here but that's okay, I came prepared.

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Yes, and much like Timesplitters 2, Cortez’s Alts would be completely different characters through time such as:

Harry Tipper, Captain Ash, Mr. Underwood, Amy Chen, Corporal Hart, Chasity Detroit, and Jo-Beth Casey

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Yes, and much like Timesplitters 2, Cortez’s Alts would be completely different characters through time such as:

Harry Tipper, Captain Ash, Mr. Underwood, Amy Chen, Corporal Hart, Chasity Detroit, and Jo-Beth Casey

More like Corporal Hart, Captain Ash, Viola, Harry Tipper, Gretel MkII, Elijah Jones and Chastity since those are the different characters that Cortez can transform into in TimeSplitters 2.

Spoiler: The characters

 

[MattX20]

This video is an interesting perspective on the second fighter pass

 

[Theguy123]

Guys I have a question for you all. I know this pass has been great, however it’s clearly not had the hype as much as the first pass.

My question is what order would you have placed each character currently in this pass in, in order to achieve maximum hype for the pass.

for me I’d personally had placed it as

Steve, min min, kazuya, pyra/myphra and then sephiroth. That or

kazuya, min min, Steve, pyra/myphra, sephiroth

 

[Cap'n Jack]

More like Corporal Hart, Captain Ash, Viola, Harry Tipper, Gretel MkII, Elijah Jones and Chastity since those are the different characters that Cortez can transform into in TimeSplitters 2.

Spoiler: The characters

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I was actually thinking the same thing after I posted. This would be more true to character

 

[DarthEnderX]

Unless the last character is already somebody mind blowing, I would have ended on Sephiroth. Because that's clearly the biggest, most hype reveal of the pass so far.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Unless the last character is already somebody mind blowing, I would have ended on Sephiroth. Because that's clearly the biggest, most hype reveal of the pass so far.

Except debatably Steve. But yeah I agree putting the most hype reveals in the middle would be a bad idea if the next character isn’t something at least Kazuya level.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

You're off your vector of you think that's π
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If you subtract from the entirety again you'll be erased in 299 792 458 m/s.

EDIT: ** I could have said total instead of entirety for more Sho bull**, I'm a fake TWEWY fan


Also, I randomly got in the mood for Punch Out and I realized that if you want to get another character from it and make them very different from Mac, Aran *ing Ryan's the best choice as he constantly cheats with all sorts of boxing illegal *

"THE WORLD'S MADE UP OF NUMBERS!" is the most devastating fourth wall break in history.

 

[MattX20]

Unless the last character is already somebody mind blowing, I would have ended on Sephiroth. Because that's clearly the biggest, most hype reveal of the pass so far.

Except debatably Steve. But yeah I agree putting the most hype reveals in the middle would be a bad idea if the next character isn’t something at least Kazuya level.

It's why I look at characters like Phoenix Wright, Arle, or Professor Layton. All 3 of which have a Kazuya-level of popularity and at least would generate more positive feedback than negative. That, and the development timeline for SMT5 doesn't add up and it also doesn't make sense to promote a character for a game that won't be released for months in any part of the world to finish off the pass. Even the FE promotional characters games for Smash 4 and Ultimate were at least around for a few months in Japan like in Corrin's case

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Also, I randomly got in the mood for Punch Out and I realized that if you want to get another character from it and make them very different from Mac, Aran *ing Ryan's the best choice as he constantly cheats with all sorts of boxing illegal *

He's so bad that during the video on how much the other boxers cheat, he goes "alright who's next?"

sreaming Aran

"Oh screw that." moves on

 

[MasterCheef]

My question is what order would you have placed each character currently in this pass in, in order to achieve maximum hype for the pass.

Pyra/Mythra, Min Min, Sephiroth, Kazuya, Steve

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

I found the second hype more interesting than the first one. Both in terms of gameplay and of character choices.
Sephiroth, Kazuya and Steve were extremely good and popular additions in the videogame scene, Min Min has an interesting moveset, same with Steve, and I enjoy the huge amount of combos you can do with Kazuya. Sephiroth is simple but I like to use him. Only character I really don't like is Pyra and Mythra.
The first pass was not terrible but except for Terry it doesn't have a character I enjoy using. I don't like Joker very much, I absolutely hate how Hero plays, Banjo is okay but nothing much and far from being my first choice, same with Byleth.

Except debatably Steve. But yeah I agree putting the most hype reveals in the middle would be a bad idea if the next character isn’t something at least Kazuya level.

That's how they do this for Smash. Initially, they would have ended up Smash for Wii U/3DS with Corrin according to Sakurai (since he was forced on him) were it not for the excuse of the ballot and adding Bayonetta as a bonus. They also decided to finish the first pass on Byleth after Banjo, Hero and Joker. I really don't expect a character as known, popular or hype as Sephiroth, Steve or Kazuya. I could be wrong but I don't see that happening at all.

 

[Theguy123]

It's why I look at characters like Phoenix Wright, Arle, or Professor Layton. All 3 of which have a Kazuya-level of popularity and at least would generate more positive feedback than negative. That, and the development timeline for SMT5 doesn't add up and it also doesn't make sense to promote a character for a game that won't be released for months in any part of the world to finish off the pass. Even the FE promotional characters games for Smash 4 and Ultimate were at least around for a few months in Japan like in Corrin's case

do we have a specific timeline for when the 2nd pass was chosen other than knowing it was said to have been already decided during Terry’s announcement in 2019

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

That's how they do this for Smash. Initially, they would have ended up Smash for Wii U/3DS with Corrin according to Sakurai (since he was forced on him) were it not for the excuse of the ballot and adding Bayonetta as a bonus. They also decided to finish the first pass on Byleth after Banjo, Hero and Joker. I really don't expect a character as known, popular or hype as Sephiroth, Steve or Kazuya. I could be wrong but I don't see that happening at all.

Well, if they knew for sure they would make a Ballot Pick, I would still say they intended to end on a high note in Smash 4.

While I do see how a pattern can be drawn to make all DLC end on a more low key reveal. The other reveals haven’t been the consistent either. Sometimes they’ll start on a bang like Joker, or a smaller note like Min Min.

I guess it really depends on what the characters Nintendo chose are, since they’re release schedule was likely made after they were decided.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

It's why I look at characters like Phoenix Wright, Arle, or Professor Layton. All 3 of which have a Kazuya-level of popularity and at least would generate more positive feedback than negative. That, and the development timeline for SMT5 doesn't add up and it also doesn't make sense to promote a character for a game that won't be released for months in any part of the world to finish off the pass. Even the FE promotional characters games for Smash 4 and Ultimate were at least around for a few months in Japan like in Corrin's case

Heres the thing
Any character can get more positivity than negativity. That happened for all the DLC characters we got from 3rd party Steve to 1st party Byleth.

 

[FreeFox]

So, any changes on the august direct stuff? Has it finally been taken down from everywhere? Has it been reuploaded? Has any info come forth about its situation?

 

[subterrestrial]

to this day I think Steve should’ve been the last dlc character revealed, imagine lmao

 

[MattX20]

do we have a specific timeline for when the 2nd pass was chosen other than knowing it was said to have been already decided during Terry’s announcement in 2019

From what I've gathered in various circles, the DLC was all decided on by the end of 2018, and negotiations concluded towards the end of the following year. That, and SMT5 from what I understand only began development and was announced to be in development in 2017

 

[GilTheGreat19]

to this day I think Steve should’ve been the last dlc character revealed, imagine lmao

What an ultimate way to end the ultimate game

 

[pupNapoleon]

Unless the last character is already somebody mind blowing, I would have ended on Sephiroth. Because that's clearly the biggest, most hype reveal of the pass so far.

I think that honor belongs to Steve.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Guys I have a question for you all. I know this pass has been great, however it’s clearly not had the hype as much as the first pass.

My question is what order would you have placed each character currently in this pass in, in order to achieve maximum hype for the pass.

for me I’d personally had placed it as

Steve, min min, kazuya, pyra/myphra and then sephiroth. That or

kazuya, min min, Steve, pyra/myphra, sephiroth

I don't think it would make a difference which character came first. The initial hype factor is really what matters here. In my opinion, I think what matters is which characters are replaced. From what I've seen Min Min and Kazuya are the least popular characters of pass 2 based on their initial reaction.

So I'd just replace Kazuya with Crash Bandicoot and Min Min with Waluigi or somebody. I don't know.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I don't think it would make a difference which character came first. The initial hype factor is really what matters here. In my opinion, I think what matters is which characters are replaced. From what I've seen Min Min and Kazuya are the least popular characters of pass 2 based on their initial reaction.

So I'd just replace Kazuya with Crash Bandicoot and Min Min with Waluigi or somebody. I don't know.

I think the hands down least popular character was Pythra.
The way I saw the hype: Pythra < Min Min < Kazuya < Sephiroth < Steve
The only negativity I saw around Kazuya was that he wasn't a big western third party for the E3 spot, and that has nothing to do with the actual character, just timing.

 

[Cosmic77]

For me: FP2 > FP1

Most of it has to do with my familiarity with the characters and franchises chosen. My knowledge of Persona, DQ, and Fatal Fury was and still is kind of mediocre, so that made it harder for me to get excited. I was familiar with Banjo and FE, but neither of the characters from those franchises were up my alley anyway.

ARMS, Minecraft, FF7, and XC2 are all games that I'm more familiar with, so I knew what the characters were capable of. I also had an easier time understanding the references in the trailers, which is something that makes a trailer immensely more enjoyable.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I have preferred Fighters Pass 2 compared to Pass 1- to me, the bigger the character (as far as cultural impact, sales, and character notoriety), the more impact. Steve outpaces everyone. Joker and Byleth were uneventful for me (especially Byleth, it was more of getting the obvious FE addition out of the way and doing my best to forget it- which is the most clear consensus I see). Sephiroth and Kazuya are huge. Min Min is at least a new IP.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I’m personally not going to compare the passes until I see who CP11 is.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

The one thing that always gets me with these "who's the hypest" stuff is that gameplay is usually completely ignored.

And that makes me sad.

 

[Theguy123]

What an ultimate way to end the ultimate game

that or shadow the hedgehog just for the ultimate life form pun. I’m 100% confident that if the last rep is an AT upgrade it would be shadow 100% just so Nintendo and sega could make that “I’m the ultimate life form” pun (ya know, because the game is smash bros ULTIMATE)

 

[pupNapoleon]

The one thing that always gets me with these "who's the hypest" stuff is that gameplay is usually completely ignored.

And that makes me sad.

For me- gameplay isn't what is hype. It is fun, but not hype. I actually enjoy playing as most characters.

that or shadow the hedgehog just for the ultimate life form pun. I’m 100% confident that if the last rep is an AT upgrade it would be shadow 100% just so Nintendo and sega could make that “I’m the ultimate life form” pun (ya know, because the game is smash bros ULTIMATE)

Is this a serious statement that you think they would choose a character just for wording (which is irrelevant in the Japanese version)?

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I think the hands down least popular character was Pythra.
The way I saw the hype: Pythra < Min Min < Kazuya < Sephiroth < Steve
The only negativity I saw around Kazuya was that he wasn't a big western third party for the E3 spot, and that has nothing to do with the actual character, just timing.

Pyra/Mythra were very popular in Japan. Min Min and Kazuya are the only two that didn't have as much popularity from either the west or Japan.

 

[Momotsuki]

Another Punch-Out!! rep? I'd go with Mr. Sandman. Bowser's lonely, we need another fast superheavy. And the taunts, come on.

 

[Mamboo07]

Pyra/Mythra were very popular in Japan. Min Min and Kazuya are the only two that didn't have as much popularity from either the west or Japan.

Didn't most people expect Heihachi as the only Tekken rep before returning as a Mii costume?

 

[DarthEnderX]

Except debatably Steve.

I think that honor belongs to Steve.

Steve might be bigger, but no way is he more hype.

Another Punch-Out!! rep? I'd go with Mr. Sandman. Bowser's lonely, we need another fast superheavy. And the taunts, come on.

King! Hippo!

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Didn't most people expect Heihachi as the only Tekken rep before returning as a Mii costume?

Yeah but Kazuya was better because he had the Devil Gene.

 

[Momotsuki]

Steve might be bigger, but no way is he more hype.

Speak for yourself. Steve was superbly hype for me, surpassed only by Terry and Kazuya in that regard.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Speak for yourself. Steve was superbly hype for me

I speak for THE WORLD and the collective consciousness of gamers!

 

[pupNapoleon]

Pyra/Mythra were very popular in Japan. Min Min and Kazuya are the only two that didn't have as much popularity from either the west or Japan.

Min Min is also extremely popular in Japan, and Kazuya is popular in both the East and the West.

Steve might be bigger, but no way is he more hype.

We can agree to disagree. We both see it as a very clear answer.

I speak for THE WORLD and the collective consciousness of gamers!

Eek. I'm sorry you carry that burden, most people are idiots.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Min Min is also extremely popular in Japan, and Kazuya is popular in both the East and the West.

Didn't see as much of an outcry for Min Min as with Pyra/Mythra though and not a lot of people really discussed about Kazuya if we're talking about hype levels.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Eek. I'm sorry you carry that burden, most people are idiots.

This got a genuine laugh from me.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

I’m personally not going to compare the passes until I see who CP11 is.

How about this instead:

Currently, both passes have five characters. One team will hunt you down, the other will defend you at all costs. You cannot mix up characters from the first pass and the second one.

Which one do you choose to defend yourself from the other? Bonus: including the completely differet characters alts.

Just a reminder if you guys forgot who is actually in which:

Team 1;
-Joker
-Hero (all four of them)
-Banjo & Kazooie
-Terry
-Byleth (male and female)

Team 2;
-Min Min
-Steve (as well as Alex, Enderman and Zombie)
-Sephiroth
-Pyra & Mythra
-Kazuya

 

[Theguy123]

For me- gameplay isn't what is hype. It is fun, but not hype. I actually enjoy playing as most characters.

Is this a serious statement that you think they would choose a character just for wording (which is irrelevant in the Japanese version)?

you misunderstood what I meant. Shadow’s personality in spin-off games shows him as a cocky edgelord who loves to gloat about himself and call himself the ultimate life form.

Considering smash is a spin-off fighting game, his personality would be based off the spin-offs he’s in so I feel if shadow would fit being last because he’d be gloating about how he’s the ultimate life form and would be using the “ultimate” pun in his trailer.

shadow being last would be fitting due to his personality and his overuse of “I’m the ultimate life form” to the point where I could see shadow being last like I said and being used as a pun because the game is called smash bros “ultimate”

I wasn’t referring to the splash screens that pop up when a character is announced. Was referring to his personality and how I could see hon being last so they could make an ultimate pun off him and the game