Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Gengar84]

if they do have a really complex move set then I’m curious to know what type of characters could require being pushed back ages. I don’t know many characters but I can think of a few but I’d be being biased.

Same here, namely Sarah Kerrigan of StarCraft with RTS summoning mechanics. Sadly after all the Blizzard controversy, this would be a bittersweet character for me.

 

[Oracle Link]

As far as adding characters from existing series goes (either in this game or the next), here are who I think would be good picks:

Spoiler

• Super Mario: Waluigi would probably be the best to go with due to the outcry for him. Beyond that, it really doesn't matter. Just wait a game to add another regular enemy like the Goomba and you'll be fine.
• Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong (or Dixie Kong & Kiddy Kong if you wanted to revisit the duo/character swap idea) is pretty much the only good option left. There are still a few memey options that could be well received like Lanky or Kranky Kong, but the character pool is otherwise unexciting for now.
• The Legend of Zelda: Pretty much any character with a major role that isn't Link, Zelda, or Ganondorf. Impa, Girahim, The Skull Kid...even Ganon is acceptable, though maybe not the best case scenario. I'd personally add two characters if one of them is Ganon.
• Metroid: At the moment, the best candidate is the Metroids themselves, but depending on how other characters make a name for themselves in the coming games, that could easily change.
• Yoshi: It literally doesn't matter. Poochy, Kamek, both, none, take your pick.
• Pokémon: Nothing I say here matters because we all know the next character will be a Generation 9, 10, or perhaps even 11 starter. There are a ton of good and better candidates, but they're not getting in anytime soon unless they become like Mewtwo or something to "warrant" going back for them.
• Earthbound: Porky. It's just Porky. Not a necessity, just a fun idea.
  • Later on down the line, pretty much any of the party members from Earthbound and Mother 3 could add a bit more variety to the cast, but they aren't entirely necessary either.
• F-Zero: Black Shadow and Samurai Goroh are pretty much the only two characters people are interested in at present.
  • Blood Falcon would make a neat alternate costume if you made the final tweaks necessary. I suppose that would probably involve giving him blood effects instead of fire though huh...I would personally try and see what I could get away with, but it would be fine if we had to settle for just red flames as opposed to Captain Falcon's orange ones.
• Other: N/A
• Fire Emblem: There are a lot of options, but it would probably be best to just chill with characters from this series for now, then reel everyone back in with someone cool.
• Kid Icarus: Hades, Medusa, and Viridi would be pretty interesting. Varying levels of unnecessary, but interesting nonetheless.
• WarioWare: Ashley of course.
  • Maybe one day Wario Land can get some recognition as well...
• Metal Gear: Raiden aaaaand...I honestly don't know.
• Sonic the Hedgehog: Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Amy, Dr. Eggman...Take your pick.
• Pikmin: The current character kind of covers the entire series's gameplay, but Alph could add some things as an Echo Fighter or clone character. You could also add a Bulborb or the Plasm Wraith or something but like...why?
• Animal Crossing: Tom Nook and K.K. Slider are good choices. The animal villagers could work as an Echo Fighter of Villager (call 'em Resident). There are probably a few other choices, but I would stick with Tom Nook in terms of the next full character.
• Mega Man: Depends. If you want an Echo Fighter, than Proto Man, and probably Bass would work just fine. Dr. Wily is a decent choice for a classic eddition, but I think the better way to go would be to add Mega Man X or Zero to cover more of the series.
• Wii Fit: Don't.
• PUNCH-OUT!!: OK, setting aside worries on how they'd be designed, PUNCH-OUT!! does have its fair share of standout characters.
  • Glass Joe would probably have to be a joke character in order to be faithful to him, but it could be kind of funny if he was used to poke fun at Little Mac's previous design if you fixed it, and gave Glass Joe all the same problems and none of the strengths. I personally don't like making characters intentionally weak though.
  • King Hippo might be fun, though they'd probably have to pull out all the stops to make him functional.
  • Soda Popinski could be decently interesting with some sort of powerup mechanic involving his "soda".
  • And of course, they could always add definitely not Mike Tyson Mr. Sandman.
• Super Smash Bros. (Mii): For a Super Smash Bros. original character, Master Hand would probably be the least divisive choice. For the Miis, add a Mii Caster for the magical flavour.
• PAC-Man: Ms. PAC-Man in any way, shape or form would be nice.
• Xenoblade Chronicles: I can tell this is going to end up being a "new protagonists only" series like Pokémon and Fire Emblem before it, but if they do miraculously add a character that isn't that, Elma, and any non-spoilery playable character from the first game are all good choices.
• Street Fighter: Chun-Li. There are a few other reasonable options like Akuma or Zangief, but I think Chun-Li would be the best option due to her popularity and differences from Ryu and Ken. Street Fighter is more than just shotos after all.
• Final Fantasy VII: None. Just expand the series beyond a single timeline already. There's more to Final Fantasy than Final Fantasy VII as great as it is.
• Bayonetta: I dunno.
• Splatoon: The Octolings would probably be the best option. There are some potentially fun other options like D.J. Octavio, but I'd go with the Octolings first.
• Castlevania: Alucard.
• Persona: I'd go with Yu, but the series works like Fire Emblem and Xenoblade Chronicles so it's likely that we'll never see a Persona character from anything pre Persona 5.
• Dragon Quest: Slime.
• Banjo-Kazooie: Gruntilda could be fun I guess.
• Fatal Fury: I don't really know who's specifically from Fatal Fury other than Terry. His series's scope goes way beyond Fatal Fury though, so looking at all of SNK, I'd probably add Kyo next.
• ARMS: Spring Man and Ribbon Girl.
• Minecraft: I think Minecraft characters other than Steve go into unnecessary territory, but if you did add something it probably wouldn't matter what.
• Tekken: Heihachi and Jin.

Weird how you didnt mention kirby anyways lets go:
I say most of youre things i agree with outside of:

Spoiler

Mario: Toad just toad why tf isnt he in i dunno
Mario RPGs: I would say adding Paper Mario (classic games), Fawful and Geno in that order would be nice other wise ill love Kabbu, vii and leif to be in
Zelda: As a 2d Rep Gameboy link replacing toon and youg would bne nice he could use the Seed shooter, Switch hook and Rocs cape to differentiate him
Outside of this impa, Octorock, skullkid, gihrahim, midna (although im still iffy on furry link), any goron and vaati make sense! Linkle on the other hand does not!
Kirby:

My turn!

Spoiler

1. Kirby: For the children- Bandana Dee. He is prominent enough now, and more than recognizable enough. His spear mechanics actually do offer greatly unique gameplay.

These are the only first party games currently in, which need a character, in my eyes. Zero, Eggman, Tails...also yes.

Outside of the for the Children i agree BWD makes sense and should be in But considering you think hes for Childreen how about we add some Eldritch Horrors (atleast the ones that are small and not too scary) Dark matter, magolor and Galacta Knight no marx tho because hes maybe still canonically dead
Pokemon: well probably get a friggin "we stopped caring generation" pokemon (meaning 8+) i would love giovanni but yeah!

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

For ****s sakes, no a gundam figure doesnt mean **** for smash. I know half of yall are joking but, good god

 

[pupNapoleon]

It was posted on GameFAQs last year but got ignored I believe. The rumor states Nintendo blackmailed EA into support by offering them a spot on the roster.

He was either to be DLC or not at all. That is blackmail. He was very popular in Japan. There is no direct precedent for Nintendo doing this but that was when Iwata was in charge. Furukawa is an unkown at Nintendo's big chair.

That's not blackmail, that's negotiation.
I'm still catching up on posts, so I don't know how much this conversation has been touched upon.
Right now the best metaphor I'm seeing in my mind is an owner of a store saying, "You want that computer? You will give me money!" That's just a sale, it isn't blackmail.

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

Gundam huh...

Get Sakurai an Escaflowne

THEN people can (jokingly) demand Dance of Curse in Smash Bros haha would unironically love it

 

[RoboFist]

For *s sakes, no a gundam figure doesnt mean * for smash. I know half of yall are joking but, good god

Welcome to week one of "Mech Theory", where I'll be listing off one possible mech-related character per week every week until the final reveal!

Get hyped for Mike Anderson and his ST Falcon from Battle Clash!

 

[Theguy123]

so what’s getting deconfirmed tonight then. We getting a tournament or new spirits or just spirits themselves.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

so what’s getting deconfirmed tonight then. We getting a tournament or new spirits or just spirits themselves.

I’m calling a generic themed event

 

[RoboFist]

so what’s getting deconfirmed tonight then. We getting a tournament or new spirits or just spirits themselves.

Fingers crossed for a NEO: TWEWY Spirit Event. Apparently sales are doing really well in Japan, but nobody is talking about it over here. A push from Smash could help, even if it's just sparking curiosity.

Plus, I just want TWEWY content in Smash, man...

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

so what’s getting deconfirmed tonight then. We getting a tournament or new spirits or just spirits themselves.

Let's get a New Pokemon Snap spirit event to go with the new update for New Snap

*munches Domino's Pizza

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

As far as adding characters from existing series goes (either in this game or the next), here are who I think would be good picks:

Spoiler

• Super Mario: Waluigi would probably be the best to go with due to the outcry for him. Beyond that, it really doesn't matter. Just wait a game to add another regular enemy like the Goomba and you'll be fine.
• Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong (or Dixie Kong & Kiddy Kong if you wanted to revisit the duo/character swap idea) is pretty much the only good option left. There are still a few memey options that could be well received like Lanky or Kranky Kong, but the character pool is otherwise unexciting for now.
• The Legend of Zelda: Pretty much any character with a major role that isn't Link, Zelda, or Ganondorf. Impa, Girahim, The Skull Kid...even Ganon is acceptable, though maybe not the best case scenario. I'd personally add two characters if one of them is Ganon.
• Metroid: At the moment, the best candidate is the Metroids themselves, but depending on how other characters make a name for themselves in the coming games, that could easily change.
• Yoshi: It literally doesn't matter. Poochy, Kamek, both, none, take your pick.
• Pokémon: Nothing I say here matters because we all know the next character will be a Generation 9, 10, or perhaps even 11 starter. There are a ton of good and better candidates, but they're not getting in anytime soon unless they become like Mewtwo or something to "warrant" going back for them.
• Earthbound: Porky. It's just Porky. Not a necessity, just a fun idea.
  • Later on down the line, pretty much any of the party members from Earthbound and Mother 3 could add a bit more variety to the cast, but they aren't entirely necessary either.
• F-Zero: Black Shadow and Samurai Goroh are pretty much the only two characters people are interested in at present.
  • Blood Falcon would make a neat alternate costume if you made the final tweaks necessary. I suppose that would probably involve giving him blood effects instead of fire though huh...I would personally try and see what I could get away with, but it would be fine if we had to settle for just red flames as opposed to Captain Falcon's orange ones.
• Other: N/A
• Fire Emblem: There are a lot of options, but it would probably be best to just chill with characters from this series for now, then reel everyone back in with someone cool.
• Kid Icarus: Hades, Medusa, and Viridi would be pretty interesting. Varying levels of unnecessary, but interesting nonetheless.
• WarioWare: Ashley of course.
  • Maybe one day Wario Land can get some recognition as well...
• Metal Gear: Raiden aaaaand...I honestly don't know.
• Sonic the Hedgehog: Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Amy, Dr. Eggman...Take your pick.
• Pikmin: The current character kind of covers the entire series's gameplay, but Alph could add some things as an Echo Fighter or clone character. You could also add a Bulborb or the Plasm Wraith or something but like...why?
• Animal Crossing: Tom Nook and K.K. Slider are good choices. The animal villagers could work as an Echo Fighter of Villager (call 'em Resident). There are probably a few other choices, but I would stick with Tom Nook in terms of the next full character.
• Mega Man: Depends. If you want an Echo Fighter, than Proto Man, and probably Bass would work just fine. Dr. Wily is a decent choice for a classic eddition, but I think the better way to go would be to add Mega Man X or Zero to cover more of the series.
• Wii Fit: Don't.
• PUNCH-OUT!!: OK, setting aside worries on how they'd be designed, PUNCH-OUT!! does have its fair share of standout characters.
  • Glass Joe would probably have to be a joke character in order to be faithful to him, but it could be kind of funny if he was used to poke fun at Little Mac's previous design if you fixed it, and gave Glass Joe all the same problems and none of the strengths. I personally don't like making characters intentionally weak though.
  • King Hippo might be fun, though they'd probably have to pull out all the stops to make him functional.
  • Soda Popinski could be decently interesting with some sort of powerup mechanic involving his "soda".
  • And of course, they could always add definitely not Mike Tyson Mr. Sandman.
• Super Smash Bros. (Mii): For a Super Smash Bros. original character, Master Hand would probably be the least divisive choice. For the Miis, add a Mii Caster for the magical flavour.
• PAC-Man: Ms. PAC-Man in any way, shape or form would be nice.
• Xenoblade Chronicles: I can tell this is going to end up being a "new protagonists only" series like Pokémon and Fire Emblem before it, but if they do miraculously add a character that isn't that, Elma, and any non-spoilery playable character from the first game are all good choices.
• Street Fighter: Chun-Li. There are a few other reasonable options like Akuma or Zangief, but I think Chun-Li would be the best option due to her popularity and differences from Ryu and Ken. Street Fighter is more than just shotos after all.
• Final Fantasy VII: None. Just expand the series beyond a single timeline already. There's more to Final Fantasy than Final Fantasy VII as great as it is.
• Bayonetta: I dunno.
• Splatoon: The Octolings would probably be the best option. There are some potentially fun other options like D.J. Octavio, but I'd go with the Octolings first.
• Castlevania: Alucard.
• Persona: I'd go with Yu, but the series works like Fire Emblem and Xenoblade Chronicles so it's likely that we'll never see a Persona character from anything pre Persona 5.
• Dragon Quest: Slime.
• Banjo-Kazooie: Gruntilda could be fun I guess.
• Fatal Fury: I don't really know who's specifically from Fatal Fury other than Terry. His series's scope goes way beyond Fatal Fury though, so looking at all of SNK, I'd probably add Kyo next.
• ARMS: Spring Man and Ribbon Girl.
• Minecraft: I think Minecraft characters other than Steve go into unnecessary territory, but if you did add something it probably wouldn't matter what.
• Tekken: Heihachi and Jin.

Cool choices. Here's my picks:

Spoiler

• Kirby series: Either Dark Meta Knight (he could be a semi-clone to Meta Knight like how Ganondorf is a semi-clone to Captain Falcon) or Shadow Kirby from Amazing Mirror (they could make him a semi-clone to Kirby and give him a different moveset (for example, side B could be the Burning copy ability)). The Mirror World is a rather under-visited aspect of the Kirby series anyway.
• Metal Gear series: "Nanomachines, son."
• Sonic series: Blaze or Shadow could be good picks. But for the love of god, they better not make Shadow the one from Free Riders.
• Mega Man series: Zero, of course. I mean, have you even SEEN my signature?
• Punch Out series: I believe THIS speaks for itself.
• Mii Fighters: A ninja, I guess? I like ninjas.
• Street Fighter series: I'd either go for Sakura - due to her being easily the most popular character from that series - or even Guy from Final Fight. Hey, the series' scope goes way beyond just Street Fighter itself.
• Final Fantasy series: Terra, Locke, or hell - even Shadow.
• Dragon Quest series: Angelo from Dragon Quest 8 or Anlucia from Dragon Quest 10 (hey, I played a demo of DQX at GameStop when I was younger, so I've got some history with this series).
• Fatal Fury series: Seeing the series' scope goes beyond just Fatal Fury and maybe even SNK itself (Zero's story in SVC Chaos did happen after all, since Ciel was working on how to solve the energy crisis while also keeping in touch with Zero), I'd say either Athena or K' & Kula as a duo/swap character.
• Tekken series: Raven from Tekken 5 (seriously, how does naming your attacks "Salamander" and "Dark Matter" NOT sound awesome?).

 

[Theguy123]

Would be nice to see a tournament to do with specific moves so we deconfirm that specific move.

We’re still missing a gunner tournament and a sword tournament.

a rivals tournament

a female tournament

a male tournament


there some of the ones I can think off of the top of

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

My turn!

Kirby:

"Hmm. I forgot what I put for Kirby."
checks list
"HOW DID I SKIP OVER KIRBY!"

For Kirby, I think Bandana Waddle Dee is the best choice for the next character, but if you were to add more than one, I'd go with either Dark Matter, or Magolor; The former for the old overarching villain, the latter for the newer villain turned friend of Kirby who the Kirby devs seem to want to turn into a mainstay character.

I believe THIS speaks for itself.

I almost put that Super Macho Man wasn't a bad option if we were going to go to meme town, but I feel like the other characters I mentioned were better overall picks due to being more easily recognizable (not quite what I mean, but I'm not sure how else to word it). I also almost included Great Tiger, but like with Super Macho Man, I think it would be weird to see them be one of the two PUNCH-OUT!! characters.

Tekken series: Raven from Tekken 5 (seriously, how does naming your attacks "Salamander" and "Dark Matter" NOT sound awesome?).

I see your Salamander and raise you a Slamamander.

 

[ahemtoday]

I had an idea for Glass Joe where he, like, sucks in a lot of regards, especially weight... but he gets twice as many stocks as everyone else. He's easy to beat, but he always keeps coming.

Personally, though, I think my preferred Punch-Out newcomer is Mr. Sandman. The dude gets up by punching the ground. Plus, I think the "afraid?" fakeouts would be fun to be in charge of.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

so what’s getting deconfirmed tonight then. We getting a tournament or new spirits or just spirits themselves.

Whatever it is, I hope its someone I want to put my soul at ease

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Should've been the ARMS rep...
smh

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

Should've been the ARMS rep...
smh

I actually, during the guessing game for the ARMS rep, thought it would be him if only due to the platforms on his stage and how that would translate to Smash. You know... due to already involving jumping around on platforms and such...

We ended up getting Min Min with Spring Man's Spring Stadium instead of the Ramen Bowl?

Yeah, the ARMS rep guessing game... I'd be ok if we didn't do that again.

 

[Ivander]

It's not easy getting ready to move. To make a long story short, my family has found and managed to buy a new house, so we're going to move soon once things are ready. So in the meantime, I'm stuck to posting here on phone.

That aside, after Sakurai's birthday post and his Gundam mecha post, how do we not have more Mech/Mecha fighters?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Nope, not happening, instead we get that version of Impa as a fighter

Yes, please. Best version of Impa by farrrrr.

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

It's not easy getting ready to move. To make a long story short, my family has found and managed to buy a new house, so we're going to move soon once things are ready. So in the meantime, I'm stuck to posting here on phone.

That aside, after Sakurai's birthday post and his Gundam mecha post, how do we not have more Mech/Mecha fighters?

A cool option would be to have Tron Bonne in her big ol robot throwing the Servbots at you... and then she THROWS YOU INTO THE TORTURE ROOM for her Final Smash

More Tron Bonne love is always a good thing.

She probably didn't make it into Smash so far because the Servbots kept landing in front of the animal shelter every time they tried.

 

[Merengue]

That aside, after Sakurai's birthday post and his Gundam mecha post, how do we not have more Mech/Mecha fighters?

You're right about that mech fighter, but it's someone different than what you most likely would expect.

 

[subterrestrial]

What’s some bold predictions you’ve got but have never really stated them. I’ve got a bold prediction that I’ve been thinking about for a while now

bold prediction - we’re gonna get a smash direct for the last character where we’ll see whoever they are, take down dharkon. A bit into the presentation sakurai will mention that character bringing down dharkon and will vaguely question what does that mean.

At the end sakurai will say that he’s had a blast working on smash ultimate and will give thanks to the fans for its support and then will reveal an expansion pass for world of light which will be a smallish decent carry on of WOL taking place after the 2 villains are taken down by the 2 dlc characters

this will be the bonus content that was found on website. Very bold prediction isn’t it. Ones gotta dream.

I swear surprise offline dlc like a WOL expansion or a new mode or feature is way more likely than people think.

personally my "bold" prediction is regular balance patches and at least one more dlc char after FP2 because sakurai has a history of going back on his word. although cosmetic skins or more stages as dlc is much more likely

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I swear surprise offline dlc like a WOL expansion or a new mode or feature is way more likely than people think.

personally my "bold" prediction is regular balance patches and at least one more dlc char after FP2 because sakurai has a history of going back on his word. although cosmetic skins or more stages as dlc is much more likely

I would very much like the DLC to be officially on the WoL maps instead of instantly unlocking them upon freeing 10 fighters. That breaks immersion

 

[Sucumbio]

I'm still catching up on posts

I don't know how you do it, this thread moves so fast lol ..

You hear that, thread? You are amazing.

 

[ryuryunonoroi]

Sephiroth’s trailer was that it’s the only cgi trailer of all of the trailers to add third party cgi models. Each of the companies that got a cgi model has gotten new content in pass 2 apart from sega so the assumption is that sega will be getting a fighter or mii costumes in the last pack

mute theory is that there’s currently no more voice slots left on the voice menu In smash, therefore the last character is gonna be mute and literally say nothing. Nothing whatsoever, not even a muffle. Silly right?? Holds up though which is why people hold onto it because it worked out for pass 1


crowd cheer theory is something I can’t explain well. Someone else might be able to but I’ll try and explain it well here. I believe it was that English voice actors hadn’t been called back to do voice work for pass 2 because each of the characters chants were the same in Japanese and other languages such as English. However pyra and myphra’s chants are completely different in English and Japanese so I don’t know how it stands up still but apparently it does.

i hope someone on this page will explain crowd cheer theory better than I can because I still can’t understand it well to this day

And parallel theory was that in pass 1 we had

square Enix rep
2 Nintendo reps
A Microsoft rep
A fighting rep
And atlus/sega

in pass 2 we’ve had

a square rep
2 Nintendo reps
A Microsoft rep
A fighting rep

and we’re yet to get an atlus or sega rep.

thats parallel theory I believe.

I see. Crowd cheer sounds bunk from your own description, as it sounds like you're saying it's already been disproven.

Mute theory, and tournament theory for that matter, to me these come off as reaching. Numerous fighter selection screens aren't going to look nice and level with any roster size depending on whether or not Mii Fighters/Random space is available. What about stage selection? There's a good half dozen spaces to be filled before you get a perfect rectangle. I don't expect sating people's menu OCD is a pressing priority for Sakurai and crew, nor do I think they put much thought into these tournament formats. The Fire tournament delay was probably something they had pocketed for a rainy day.

Parallel theory seems to hold more water, though I would add that this could overlap with M theory, since the pattern isn't strictly tied to companies and "Atlus/Sega rep" is also "M-rated game rep".

And the Sephiroth trailer does seem to steer things more towards a Sega rep's chances. However, let's not forget that:
A) Sega is quite laissez-faire compared to other companies when it comes to loaning out their IPs.
B) The trailer aired at the VGAs where important eyes would be on it, so third-parties in general would be more eager to have their reps appear in the trailer if only for the exposure.

All in all interesting, but aside from parallel theory I'm doubtful if these are particularly indicative of who might be joining compared to things like M theory, second chance theory, or that leaked list of 40ish characters, which either demonstrate a clearly established pattern or that have strong forensic evidence in their favor.

To all of you arguing about what "a while" means, you're all forgetting the context: he said that during a presentation that aired for E3., where multiple reveals have happened. It's clear to me that the expression was just there to say that the next character wasn't coming out right away and we'd have to wait still. Also remember that he speaks Japanese and never actually said "a while". Translators chose that expression. So no panic is needed, and if it truly is the last character, then all their efforts are on that and we can probably expect the same release period as usual.

Ah, good ol' fashioned unfaithful/unprofessional translators and their communications sabotage. A local favorite.

It's not easy getting ready to move. To make a long story short, my family has found and managed to buy a new house, so we're going to move soon once things are ready. So in the meantime, I'm stuck to posting here on phone.

That aside, after Sakurai's birthday post and his Gundam mecha post, how do we not have more Mech/Mecha fighters?

"They're too big." :^) :^) :^)

 

[Sucumbio]

How do we not have more Mech/Mecha fighters?

Encounter larger-than-life bots in these games with mechs!

DAEMON X MACHINA:
Into the Breach:
Project Nimbus: Complete Edition:
War Tech Fighters:
Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition:
Ikaruga:
Gato Roboto:
XCOM 2 Collection:

-nintendo

Seems they can read our minds... in the future!

(Unless you mean mech fighting games in general?)

But yeah

I have not played any of these does anyone know if they're good or could be a fp11 pick somehow? I think the last game I played was MechWarrior 2 on pc. Heh

 

[FreeFox]

so what’s getting deconfirmed tonight then. We getting a tournament or new spirits or just spirits themselves.

My guess is we are getting The Great Ace Attorney spirits like when Arthur got a spirit. Give me some Herlock Sholmes and Ryunosuke Naruhodo.

 

[Theguy123]

My guess is we are getting The Great Ace Attorney spirits like when Arthur got a spirit. Give me some Herlock Sholmes and Ryunosuke Naruhodo.

gonna make a brave claim and say I don’t think we’ll get the great attorney spirits. I think they’ll hold them off and release them alongside a Phoenix Wright mii costume.

 

[CommanderZaktan]

As far as adding characters from existing series goes (either in this game or the next), here are who I think would be good picks:

Spoiler

• Super Mario: Waluigi would probably be the best to go with due to the outcry for him. Beyond that, it really doesn't matter. Just wait a game to add another regular enemy like the Goomba and you'll be fine.
• Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong (or Dixie Kong & Kiddy Kong if you wanted to revisit the duo/character swap idea) is pretty much the only good option left. There are still a few memey options that could be well received like Lanky or Kranky Kong, but the character pool is otherwise unexciting for now.
• The Legend of Zelda: Pretty much any character with a major role that isn't Link, Zelda, or Ganondorf. Impa, Girahim, The Skull Kid...even Ganon is acceptable, though maybe not the best case scenario. I'd personally add two characters if one of them is Ganon.
• Metroid: At the moment, the best candidate is the Metroids themselves, but depending on how other characters make a name for themselves in the coming games, that could easily change.
• Yoshi: It literally doesn't matter. Poochy, Kamek, both, none, take your pick.
• Pokémon: Nothing I say here matters because we all know the next character will be a Generation 9, 10, or perhaps even 11 starter. There are a ton of good and better candidates, but they're not getting in anytime soon unless they become like Mewtwo or something to "warrant" going back for them.
• Earthbound: Porky. It's just Porky. Not a necessity, just a fun idea.
  • Later on down the line, pretty much any of the party members from Earthbound and Mother 3 could add a bit more variety to the cast, but they aren't entirely necessary either.
• F-Zero: Black Shadow and Samurai Goroh are pretty much the only two characters people are interested in at present.
  • Blood Falcon would make a neat alternate costume if you made the final tweaks necessary. I suppose that would probably involve giving him blood effects instead of fire though huh...I would personally try and see what I could get away with, but it would be fine if we had to settle for just red flames as opposed to Captain Falcon's orange ones.
• Other: N/A
• Fire Emblem: There are a lot of options, but it would probably be best to just chill with characters from this series for now, then reel everyone back in with someone cool.
• Kid Icarus: Hades, Medusa, and Viridi would be pretty interesting. Varying levels of unnecessary, but interesting nonetheless.
• WarioWare: Ashley of course.
  • Maybe one day Wario Land can get some recognition as well...
• Metal Gear: Raiden aaaaand...I honestly don't know.
• Sonic the Hedgehog: Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Amy, Dr. Eggman...Take your pick.
• Pikmin: The current character kind of covers the entire series's gameplay, but Alph could add some things as an Echo Fighter or clone character. You could also add a Bulborb or the Plasm Wraith or something but like...why?
• Animal Crossing: Tom Nook and K.K. Slider are good choices. The animal villagers could work as an Echo Fighter of Villager (call 'em Resident). There are probably a few other choices, but I would stick with Tom Nook in terms of the next full character.
• Mega Man: Depends. If you want an Echo Fighter, than Proto Man, and probably Bass would work just fine. Dr. Wily is a decent choice for a classic eddition, but I think the better way to go would be to add Mega Man X or Zero to cover more of the series.
• Wii Fit: Don't.
• PUNCH-OUT!!: OK, setting aside worries on how they'd be designed, PUNCH-OUT!! does have its fair share of standout characters.
  • Glass Joe would probably have to be a joke character in order to be faithful to him, but it could be kind of funny if he was used to poke fun at Little Mac's previous design if you fixed it, and gave Glass Joe all the same problems and none of the strengths. I personally don't like making characters intentionally weak though.
  • King Hippo might be fun, though they'd probably have to pull out all the stops to make him functional.
  • Soda Popinski could be decently interesting with some sort of powerup mechanic involving his "soda".
  • And of course, they could always add definitely not Mike Tyson Mr. Sandman.
• Super Smash Bros. (Mii): For a Super Smash Bros. original character, Master Hand would probably be the least divisive choice. For the Miis, add a Mii Caster for the magical flavour.
• PAC-Man: Ms. PAC-Man in any way, shape or form would be nice.
• Xenoblade Chronicles: I can tell this is going to end up being a "new protagonists only" series like Pokémon and Fire Emblem before it, but if they do miraculously add a character that isn't that, Elma, and any non-spoilery playable character from the first game are all good choices.
• Street Fighter: Chun-Li. There are a few other reasonable options like Akuma or Zangief, but I think Chun-Li would be the best option due to her popularity and differences from Ryu and Ken. Street Fighter is more than just shotos after all.
• Final Fantasy VII: None. Just expand the series beyond a single timeline already. There's more to Final Fantasy than Final Fantasy VII as great as it is.
• Bayonetta: I dunno.
• Splatoon: The Octolings would probably be the best option. There are some potentially fun other options like D.J. Octavio, but I'd go with the Octolings first.
• Castlevania: Alucard.
• Persona: I'd go with Yu, but the series works like Fire Emblem and Xenoblade Chronicles so it's likely that we'll never see a Persona character from anything pre Persona 5.
• Dragon Quest: Slime.
• Banjo-Kazooie: Gruntilda could be fun I guess.
• Fatal Fury: I don't really know who's specifically from Fatal Fury other than Terry. His series's scope goes way beyond Fatal Fury though, so looking at all of SNK, I'd probably add Kyo next.
• ARMS: Spring Man and Ribbon Girl.
• Minecraft: I think Minecraft characters other than Steve go into unnecessary territory, but if you did add something it probably wouldn't matter what.
• Tekken: Heihachi and Jin.

Here's mine and I won't be doing them all:
Super Mario: Waluigi
Donkey Kong: Dixie
The Legend of Zelda: Midna
Metroid: Either E.M.M.I. or Sylux
Yoshi: Kamek or Poochy
Kirby: Bandana Waddle Dee
Star Fox: Krystal
Pokemon: a Gen 8 rep
Earthbound: Porky
Fire Emblem: Not sure, but if we do get the Radiance remakes, Micaiah
Kid Icarus: Hades or Medusa
Wario: Ashley
Sonic: Tails, Shadow, Blaze, or Dr. Eggman
Pikmin: Louie/Brittney with the Rock Pikmin and maybe new ones if 4 comes out
Punch Out: Aran Ryan
Mii: Mii Mage
Xenoblade: Elma
Street Fighter: Chun Li
Final Fantasy: Terra or Cecil
Splatoon: Octoling
Dragon Quest: Slime
Arms: Spring Man
Tekken: Jin Kazama

 

[SKX31]

Same here, namely Sarah Kerrigan of StarCraft with RTS summoning mechanics. Sadly after all the Blizzard controversy, this would be a bittersweet character for me.

Think you wanna take a look at Guilty Gear's Jack-O for how Kerrigan (or any other RTS commander) could work. The summoning units thing is going to be limited by neccessity, since there's no cursor or easy way to create macro-groups on a controller for quick micromanagement in a fighting game. Especially not since you need to be able to move the main fighter when needed. As such, one can perhaps build a Kerrigan by having the Zerglings etc. be semi-autonomous but directed with relatively simple instructions like Jack-O.

That aside, after Sakurai's birthday post and his Gundam mecha post, how do we not have more Mech/Mecha fighters?

Can only guess, but maybe it's due to him having trouble imagining how to properly scale them? It doesn't hold as much water post-Ridley and we know it's possible (sure has some unsolved jank and is undertuned in some areas, but his character works pretty much).

But, Bowser Jr.'s model seems to be pretty damn big (with a model size comparable to and ). So larger mechs than Jr.'s may introduce problems relating to how to handle large hurtboxes, especially if the mechs are on the wider side compared to the rest of the cast. The wider (for a lack of a better term) a character is, the more the character risks getting hit by random **** suddenly. Whether it's an opponent's attack or suddenly appearing Bomb-Omb ( 's tail hurtbox, for example).

But at the same time, it wouldn't feel realistic at all to have say Eggman be smaller than, y'know, Bowser Jr. So it appears to be a weird balancing act.

Edit: It's really difficult to say what's "too big", but there is a point where some start to feel that either the attacks "shouldn't hit" (Mewtwo's tail) or some people start to wish the character's survivability was buffed to compensate for the huge size and the resulting risk of getting hit (Ridley's weight). OTOH, an overtuned tank could be really problematic to play against, so Sakurai and co. probably want to avoid that too. This is the kind of weird balancing act a more conventional mech user may run into in the design phase is what I'm saying.

Yes, this is not direct evidence and yes, I'll happily eat crow if Eggman or another mech user turns out to be CP11. So in the end, this is just speculation based on circumstancial evidence - it's really difficult to prove why something has not happened as often as one might expect.

 

[Merengue]

Think you wanna take a look at Guilty Gear's Jack-O for how Kerrigan (or any other RTS commander) could work. The summoning units thing is going to be limited by neccessity, since there's no cursor or easy way to create macro-groups on a controller for quick micromanagement in a fighting game. Especially not since you need to be able to move the main fighter when needed. As such, one can perhaps build a Kerrigan by having the Zerglings etc. be semi-autonomous but directed with relatively simple instructions like Jack-O.



Can only guess, but maybe it's due to him having trouble imagining how to properly scale them? It doesn't hold as much water post-Ridley and we know it's possible (sure has some unsolved jank and is undertuned in some areas, but his character works pretty much).

But, Bowser Jr.'s model seems to be pretty damn big (with a model size comparable to and ). So larger mechs than Jr.'s may introduce problems relating to how to handle large hurtboxes, especially if the mechs are on the wider side compared to the rest of the cast. The wider (for a lack of a better term) a character is, the more the character risks getting hit by random **** suddenly. Whether it's an opponent's attack or suddenly appearing Bomb-Omb ( 's tail hurtbox, for example).

But at the same time, it wouldn't feel realistic at all to have say Eggman be smaller than, y'know, Bowser Jr. So it appears to be a weird balancing act.

Edit: It's really difficult to say what's "too big", but there is a point where some start to feel that either the attacks "shouldn't hit" (Mewtwo's tail) or some people start to wish the character's survivability was buffed to compensate for the huge size and the resulting risk of getting hit (Ridley's weight). OTOH, an overtuned tank could be really problematic to play against, so Sakurai and co. probably want to avoid that too. This is the kind of weird balancing act a more conventional mech user may run into in the design phase is what I'm saying.

Yes, this is not direct evidence and yes, I'll happily eat crow if Eggman or another mech user turns out to be CP11. So in the end, this is just speculation based on circumstancial evidence - it's really difficult to prove why something has not happened as often as one might expect.

Reminds me of that one kid who got stuck inside of a ball.

 

[CureParfait]

so what’s getting deconfirmed tonight then. We getting a tournament or new spirits or just spirits themselves.

Most likely a generic themed one.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Most likely a generic themed one.

Wdym by "generic"?
Do you mean "spirit event with already existing spirits" or what?
Just want to verify.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Wdym by "generic"?
Do you mean "spirit event with already existing spirits" or what?
Just want to verify.

Probably that and a pretty widely encompassing theme like "characters that have a strange number of legs" or something.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Probably that and a pretty widely encompassing theme like "characters that have a strange number of legs" or something.

Figured.

Thanks Smash Puppy

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

Dragon Quest: Slime

No offense, but why would people want Slime in Smash Bros.? In a sports game, yes - I can see that (I played Mario Sports Mix as a kid after all). But in Smash? What would he do other than normal attacks, fireballs, radiance, mega-magic, and fusing with other slimes? (This is why I went for Angelo and Anlucia as my picks for more Dragon Quest reps.)

 

[ahemtoday]

No offense, but why would people want Slime in Smash Bros.? In a sports game, yes - I can see that (I played Mario Sports Mix as a kid after all). But in Smash? What would he do other than normal attacks, fireballs, radiance, mega-magic, and fusing with other slimes? (This is why I went for Angelo and Anlucia as my picks for more Dragon Quest reps.)

I mean... I'll be honest, that's five things that seem like pretty broad umbrellas to my DQ-unfamiliar eyes. That seems like plenty of basis to me.

 

[MasterCheef]

This is all i got for proof for ...

Androxus from Paladins via Hi-Rez Studios

1 in 2018 Paladins was #5 in top MOBAs played https://www.gamersdecide.com/articles/top-10-most-played-mobas

2 Androxus was leaked on 4chan as coming out in 12/2021.

2.1 I can only believe this if we don’t get Master Chief until sometime 2022 or after

2.2 https://www.reddit.com/r/supersmashbros/comments/ow86er/next_dlc_december/

3 Hi Rez Studios does like partnerships to promote their games.

3.1 https://www.paladins.com/partners/

4 Hi Rez Studios can also get big crossovers a la Stranger Things

4.1 https://www.hirezstudios.com/press/live-now-in-smite-stranger-things-crossover-and-mid-season-update-new-content

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Same here, namely Sarah Kerrigan of StarCraft with RTS summoning mechanics. Sadly after all the Blizzard controversy, this would be a bittersweet character for me.

Kerrigan is kind of a weird case because she could easily just be a normal character without any unique mechanics. Or she could be a weird transformation character who starts out as a Ghost, similar to Zero-Suit Samus, and can then cocoon into Queen of Blades form. Or she could have the summons, like you said. There are a lot of options with her, and she would probably be the best Blizzard rep at this point.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

No offense, but why would people want Slime in Smash Bros.? In a sports game, yes - I can see that (I played Mario Sports Mix as a kid after all). But in Smash? What would he do other than normal attacks, fireballs, radiance, mega-magic, and fusing with other slimes? (This is why I went for Angelo and Anlucia as my picks for more Dragon Quest reps.)

To be fair, iirc, Sakurai said Slime would've been the DQ character we would've gotten if the DQ protagonists were a no-go.