Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[TheLamerGamer]

I think Jill Dozer counts as geomancy, the only difference being that it is tech, and not a metaphysical biological power.
And the same goes for Balloon Fighter and air- as would it go for a large part of the gimmick Ring Fit Adventurer would likely employ, with sucking and blowing.

Something I learned from this exercise- a lot of moves in the game could be considered elemental. Villager's tree, Peach's turnips- earth. King K Rool's gun, Dedede and Kirby sucking, Metaknight's Tornado, Steve's glider- all air. Lightning and Fire are clear, especially the latter.

I really don't think it would help SMT out to propagate the idea that it is the same series as Joker.

It doesn't necessarily do that. People were saying they'd like Phoenix Wright to have a trailer where Joker is facing trial for stealing an invitation, and nobody's implying Ace Attorney and Persona are the same series. It would just be cool to tie the first and final trailers together.

It wouldn't matter anyway, because Sakurai would 100% say that they're both parts of Megami Tensei during the Sakurai Presents, he even mentioned it in his Persona 4 anniversary post.

 

[BlondeLombax]

On the subject of elemental abilities, say we had an elemental pass. Who would be your picks for:

• The Pyromancer
• The Hydromancer
• The Geomancer
• The Aeromancer
• The Cryomancer
• The...uh...electricity doesn't really have a prefix does it?

The characters don't have to be casters, they just have to have the element associated with them. Example characters from the game itself would be Roy, Squirtle, uh...Steeeeve?, none of them, Ice Climbers, and Pikachu. A character does not count if they use a few different elements equally, even if one of their moves is iconic (PK Fire is very notable, but doesn't count as a motif for the character). For the sake of clarity, plant based abilities don't count as earth, and if a "water" mage mostly uses ice spells, they count as ice and not water (if they use both the same amount then...take your pick I guess).

Hard Mode: None of them can be a Pokémon.
Impossible Mode: None of them can come from groups where everyone is themed after an element, so no Blades, Skylanders, Rivals (of Aether), etc.

This is gonna be tricky. Hm...

Spoiler: The Pyromancer

No further elaboration necessary,

Spoiler: The Hydromancer

Honestly, Chaos 0 is the only one that comes to mind. Kinda like pretty much everybody else here. Although it just now occurred to me that Lulu from WarioWare uses a water gun, so maybe that could be just barely enough?

Spoiler: The Geomancer (Minor Gush/Shill alert!)

My most wanted character, Senran Kagura's Asuka, has quite a few earth-based attacks in the main hack-and-slash games, such as causing tremors and digging into the ground. And I'm gonna leave it at that before I wind up taking up the post with my adoration of the series.

Spoiler: The Aeromancer

Tingle utilizes balloons a lot. Maybe that could translate to some form of aeromancy?

Spoiler: The Cryomancer

I honestly can't think of anyone major beyond Sub-Zero.

Spoiler: How about 'Electromancer?' Does that work?

If we get more Street Fighter characters down the line, I think it'd be a pleasant surprise if Blanka were to make some sort of surprise appearance.

 

[Knight Dude]

As far as the Nickelodeon title, unfortunately there's still no sign of any of the Avatar the Last Airbender characters, including Sokka.

It figures, the one time we want an anime swordsman in a platform fighting game, and he's nowhere to be found.

Well, there's my dude Leonardo. I do think the Avatar and TMNT casts could have a ton of dope characters, Zuko, Katara, Toph, Shredder, Krang, Casey, April, Azula.

Aang and Korra got leaked, and there's a pretty solid chance Don and Raph are in, since the bros are a set.

 

[Knight Dude]

there's still no character on the roster with a healing OR invisibility mechanic. or reversing controls, or portals, or ai summons or duplication. Or even a wall climb, the closest thing we have is wall jumps and wall clings but its not a true shimmy

I just hope the next char's dlc gimmick is something that hasn't been done before

Well, I for one, would like to say reversing controls would be too annoying to deal with.

But wall climbs could go to a lot of ninja characters like Strider or Hayabusa. Arguably Mega Man X and Zero if they're wall jumps were to work exactly like the MMX titles.

Speaking of those two, I still say proper air-dash would be cool, though there's also Sol or Morrigan that could use that mechanic as well.

Morrigan's also a duplication move too. Mega Man X has Soul Body and Zero's got Sogenmu. Not that I'd expect any of them to use it in this game. But Dark Samus could have used it for a move if they felt like making her more unique later on.

Robin's got a life steal, and Hero has a healing spell, though not exactly a main gimmick of either character. Maybe if there's a particularly popular healer character? Not sure I'd want to deal with that. Portals would be dope, at least visually.

On the subject of elemental abilities, say we had an elemental pass. Who would be your picks for:

• The Pyromancer
• The Hydromancer
• The Geomancer
• The Aeromancer
• The Cryomancer
• The...uh...electricity doesn't really have a prefix does it?

The characters don't have to be casters, they just have to have the element associated with them. Example characters from the game itself would be Roy, Squirtle, uh...Steeeeve?, none of them, Ice Climbers, and Pikachu. A character does not count if they use a few different elements equally, even if one of their moves is iconic (PK Fire is very notable, but doesn't count as a motif for the character). For the sake of clarity, plant based abilities don't count as earth, and if a "water" mage mostly uses ice spells, they count as ice and not water (if they use both the same amount then...take your pick I guess).

Hard Mode: None of them can be a Pokémon.
Impossible Mode: None of them can come from groups where everyone is themed after an element, so no Blades, Skylanders, Rivals (of Aether), etc.

Sol uses Fire so I guess him.
Cryomancer for sure should be Sub-Zero.
Isaac for the Rock Guy.
Fujin for wind.
Jin for electricity, if you really think about it.
Rain for Water.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Oh that is definitely a reference to...uh...that one anime...with the drill and the...uh...yeeeeah.

A TTGL reference IMO is always welcome. That anime is one of my favourites.

 

[Gengar84]

A TTGL reference IMO is always welcome. That anime is one of my favourites.

Kid Simon would make a pretty awesome Bowser Jr. echo.

 

[Mamboo07]

On the subject of elemental abilities, say we had an elemental pass. Who would be your picks for:

• The Pyromancer
• The Hydromancer
• The Geomancer
• The Aeromancer
• The Cryomancer
• The...uh...electricity doesn't really have a prefix does it?

The characters don't have to be casters, they just have to have the element associated with them. Example characters from the game itself would be Roy, Squirtle, uh...Steeeeve?, none of them, Ice Climbers, and Pikachu. A character does not count if they use a few different elements equally, even if one of their moves is iconic (PK Fire is very notable, but doesn't count as a motif for the character). For the sake of clarity, plant based abilities don't count as earth, and if a "water" mage mostly uses ice spells, they count as ice and not water (if they use both the same amount then...take your pick I guess).

Hard Mode: None of them can be a Pokémon.
Impossible Mode: None of them can come from groups where everyone is themed after an element, so no Blades, Skylanders, Rivals (of Aether), etc.

• Fire: Cinder (Killer Instinct)
• Water: Chaos (Sonic)
• Earth: Bouldergeist (Mario)
• Air: Don't know?
• Ice: Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat)
• Electric: Rajang (Monster Hunter)

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

With his Claus costume.

Cause...you know...

That's just c- Wait a minute

 

[Gengar84]

On the subject of elemental abilities, say we had an elemental pass. Who would be your picks for:

• The Pyromancer
• The Hydromancer
• The Geomancer
• The Aeromancer
• The Cryomancer
• The...uh...electricity doesn't really have a prefix does it?

The characters don't have to be casters, they just have to have the element associated with them. Example characters from the game itself would be Roy, Squirtle, uh...Steeeeve?, none of them, Ice Climbers, and Pikachu. A character does not count if they use a few different elements equally, even if one of their moves is iconic (PK Fire is very notable, but doesn't count as a motif for the character). For the sake of clarity, plant based abilities don't count as earth, and if a "water" mage mostly uses ice spells, they count as ice and not water (if they use both the same amount then...take your pick I guess).

Hard Mode: None of them can be a Pokémon.
Impossible Mode: None of them can come from groups where everyone is themed after an element, so no Blades, Skylanders, Rivals (of Aether), etc.

Pyromancer - Zegram Ghart (Rogue Galaxy)
Hydromancer - Impa (Hyrule Warriors)
Geomancer - Isaac (Golden Sun)
Aeromancer - Air Man (Mega Man)
Cryomancer - Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat)
Electric User - Magus (Chrono Trigger)

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

It doesn't necessarily do that. People were saying they'd like Phoenix Wright to have a trailer where Joker is facing trial for stealing an invitation, and nobody's implying Ace Attorney and Persona are the same series.

The first Ace Attorneys didn't have Shin Megami Tensei in their title though, hence why people don't think that.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Love the unanimous agreement on Sub-Zero as the hypothetical Cryomancer

but let’s not forget…
Shang Tsung would be a based Necromancer

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Love the unanimous agreement on Sub-Zero as the hypothetical Cryomancer

but let’s not forget…
Shang Tsung would be a based Necromancer

Not really?

He summons skulls as projectiles, but that's about the extent of how far his gamelay goes when it comes to dead stuff.

You probably mixed him up with Quan Chi because Shang Tsung is more of a shapeshifter than a necromancer

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Not really?

He summons skulls as projectiles, but that's about the extent of how far his gamelay goes when it comes to dead stuff.

You probably mixed him up with Quan Chi because Shang Tsung is more of a shapeshifter than a necromancer

Quan Chi works too
Shinnok while we’re at it

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Quan Chi works too
Shinnok while we’re at it

Either way, Mortal Kombat would just be an ice thing to see

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Either way, Mortal Kombat would just be an ice thing to see

wow bro
That was mad funny

 

[Gengar84]

Love the unanimous agreement on Sub-Zero as the hypothetical Cryomancer

but let’s not forget…
Shang Tsung would be a based Necromancer

For a necromancer, I’d love to see the Lich King/Arthas from WarCraft.

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

On the subject of elemental abilities, say we had an elemental pass. Who would be your picks for:

• The Pyromancer
• The Hydromancer
• The Geomancer
• The Aeromancer
• The Cryomancer
• The...uh...electricity doesn't really have a prefix does it?

The characters don't have to be casters, they just have to have the element associated with them. Example characters from the game itself would be Roy, Squirtle, uh...Steeeeve?, none of them, Ice Climbers, and Pikachu. A character does not count if they use a few different elements equally, even if one of their moves is iconic (PK Fire is very notable, but doesn't count as a motif for the character). For the sake of clarity, plant based abilities don't count as earth, and if a "water" mage mostly uses ice spells, they count as ice and not water (if they use both the same amount then...take your pick I guess).

Hard Mode: None of them can be a Pokémon.
Impossible Mode: None of them can come from groups where everyone is themed after an element, so no Blades, Skylanders, Rivals (of Aether), etc.

I'm gonna just cheat and pick Din from Oracle of Seasons for all of them.

Combine her dancing around with control of the seasons and she can mancy all the seasonal elements or whatever. The fires of the sun, the water and ice of spring and winter, winds of fall, etc.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

You fools
I have a game with ALL the -mancers!

Well, most of them at least lol

Fire - Pyromancer (check)
Death - Necromancer (nope)
Storm - Diviners (nope, but have some correlation to Hydromancers through water and storms and whatnot)
Myth - Conjurers (nope)
Life - Theurges (nope)
Balance - Sorcerers (nope)
Ice - Thaumaturges (yes, technically because Cryomancers - ice, hail, etc) TECHNICALLY, however, Thaumaturge is also a universal name for a general wizard no matter the type of spells one practices. "workers of miracles" if you will.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Oh yeah the Yoshi game that looked like a handcrafted world. Three things:
1. I need to beat Crafted World someday.
2. The NA release for this game was in October the same year as the other regions. Why? No idea.
3. I actually wish the Woolly World stage would have come back. It's the only stage I am baffled by its exclusion.

Regarding 3, I think that was because it used too many particle effects for the switch or something idk

 

[WeirdChillFever]

On the subject of elemental abilities, say we had an elemental pass. Who would be your picks for:

• The Pyromancer
• The Hydromancer
• The Geomancer
• The Aeromancer
• The Cryomancer
• The...uh...electricity doesn't really have a prefix does it?

The characters don't have to be casters, they just have to have the element associated with them. Example characters from the game itself would be Roy, Squirtle, uh...Steeeeve?, none of them, Ice Climbers, and Pikachu. A character does not count if they use a few different elements equally, even if one of their moves is iconic (PK Fire is very notable, but doesn't count as a motif for the character). For the sake of clarity, plant based abilities don't count as earth, and if a "water" mage mostly uses ice spells, they count as ice and not water (if they use both the same amount then...take your pick I guess).

Hard Mode: None of them can be a Pokémon.
Impossible Mode: None of them can come from groups where everyone is themed after an element, so no Blades, Skylanders, Rivals (of Aether), etc.

Pyromancer:
-Bomberman

Hydromancer:
-Azura (Fire Emblem)

Geomancer
-Mary. O (Mario Maker)
-Shovel Knight (Shovel Knight)
-Mr. Resetti (Animal Crossing)

Aeromancer:
-Lark (Pilotwings)
-Balloon Fighter (Balloon Fight)
-Pidgey (Pokémon)

Cryomancer:
-Ashe (League of Legends)

Electromancer:
-Lana (Hyrule Warriors)

Bonus: Necromancer:
-Kass (The Legend of Zelda)
-Kilton (The Legend of Zelda)

Bonus: Elemental Groups:
-Champions (The Legend of Zelda)

 

[Gengar84]

It would be really nice if we got more users of elements other than Fire. We have tons of fire elemental characters and most other elements only have one or two characters. I’ve always been partial to ice element so I’d love someone other than just Ice Climbers, whether that be Sub-Zero, Glacius, Arthas, or Sneasel.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

• The Pyromancer
• The Hydromancer
• The Geomancer
• The Aeromancer
• The Cryomancer
• The...uh...electricity doesn't really have a prefix does it?

Pyromancers - Fire Skylanders
Hydromancers - Water Skylanders that don't use ice-based attacks
Geomancers - Earth Skylanders
Aeromancers - Air Skylanders that don't attack with thunder
Cryomancers - Water Skylanders that do use ice-based attacks
Electricity Users - Air Skylanders that do attack with thunder

 

[DarthEnderX]

On the subject of elemental abilities, say we had an elemental pass. Who would be your picks for:

• The Pyromancer
• The Hydromancer
• The Geomancer
• The Aeromancer
• The Cryomancer
• The...uh...electricity doesn't really have a prefix does it?

Pyromancer: Firebrand [Gargoyle’s Quest]
The Hydromancer: Bub/Bob [Bubble Bobble]
The Geomancer: Garchomp [Pokemon]
The Aeromancer: Rashid [Street Fighter]
The Cryomancer: Sub-Zero [Mortal Kombat]
The Electromancer: Crono [Chrono Trigger]

 

[Gengar84]

I noticed something kind of strange about a lot of my most wanted characters. I’ve always generally preferred Japanese games to western ones but most of my most realistic most wanted characters are actually western. I think it’s likely because I tend to prefer side characters or villains in Japanese games over the main protagonists in general.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I think whoever the final character is should have a World of Light reveal trailer with that character killing both Galeem And Dharkon at the same time.

You.

I like the way you think.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I think whoever the final character is should have a World of Light reveal trailer with that character killing both Galeem And Dharkon at the same time.

Imagine Waluigi doing that. Knowing Sakurai, I could see him pulling that off.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I think whoever the final character is should have a World of Light reveal trailer with that character killing both Galeem And Dharkon at the same time.

Ayo it might be too late for that

Sephiroth OHKO'd Galeem after all the fighters were rescued from capture and tried to take him on solo.

Dharkon's still alive, though

 

[Gengar84]

Ayo it might be too late for that

Sephiroth OHKO'd Galeem after all the fighters were rescued from capture and tried to take him on solo.

Dharkon's still alive, though

Dharkon, I know now, without a doubt, Kingdom Hearts is light!

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Dharkon, I know now, without a doubt, Kingdom Hearts is light!

"My FrIeNdS aRe My PoWeR!"

 

[Perkilator]

Dharkon, I know now, without a doubt, Kingdom Hearts is light!

Good thing Galeem's dead now, cause we don't a lord of false light to worry about!

 

[Gengar84]

"My FrIeNdS aRe My PoWeR!"

Lol. Seriously though, I think Sora is the perfect character to finally finish off the literal embodiment of darkness.

 

[CommanderZaktan]

On the subject of elemental abilities, say we had an elemental pass. Who would be your picks for:

• The Pyromancer
• The Hydromancer
• The Geomancer
• The Aeromancer
• The Cryomancer
• The...uh...electricity doesn't really have a prefix does it?

The characters don't have to be casters, they just have to have the element associated with them. Example characters from the game itself would be Roy, Squirtle, uh...Steeeeve?, none of them, Ice Climbers, and Pikachu. A character does not count if they use a few different elements equally, even if one of their moves is iconic (PK Fire is very notable, but doesn't count as a motif for the character). For the sake of clarity, plant based abilities don't count as earth, and if a "water" mage mostly uses ice spells, they count as ice and not water (if they use both the same amount then...take your pick I guess).

Hard Mode: None of them can be a Pokémon.
Impossible Mode: None of them can come from groups where everyone is themed after an element, so no Blades, Skylanders, Rivals (of Aether), etc.

The Pyromancer: Sol Badguy
The Hydromancer: Mipha
The Geomancer: Matthew
The Aeromancer: Klonoa
The Cryomancer: Sub-Zero
The Electromancer: Pulseman

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Lol. Seriously though, I think Sora is the perfect character to finally finish off the literal embodiment of darkness.

Hmm, you got a point.

I'll do you one better.

Dharkon's ALREADY been defeated, but Sora saves Cloud and the gang from Sephiroth...

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

Imagine Waluigi doing that. Knowing Sakurai, I could see him pulling that off.

Both Galeem and Dharkon lose to Waluigi first because he throws down the Dueling Glove, therefore challenging them (see, he didn't get in Smash Bros before because he didn't throw down the Mario Party Dueling Glove). First you see the Dueling Glove laying there, then they turn and see Waluigi!


WALUIGI CRASHES THE PARTY!

Then after a gameplay montage, it is thanks to Mario Party random chance BS that Galeem and Dharkon are both thwarted as is everyone else. I dunno, maybe Waluigi rolled a 10 on the dice block and it made his attack stupidly strong? Anyhow, Waluigi rises into the sky and is told "YOU ARE THE SUPER STAR!"

 

[chocolatejr9]

THE GROOSE IS LOOSE and dropping onto your timeline!

Happy launch day for the Legend of #Zelda: #SkywardSwordHD! To celebrate, we’re dedicating today to Link’s biggest “rival”, Groose! pic.twitter.com/bicRmGHxba

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) July 16, 2021

Ladies and gentlemen, this is a Groose discussion now.

 

[Ivander]

On the subject of elemental abilities, say we had an elemental pass. Who would be your picks for:

• The Pyromancer
• The Hydromancer
• The Geomancer
• The Aeromancer
• The Cryomancer
• The...uh...electricity doesn't really have a prefix does it?

• Pyromancer - Arvis
• Hydromancer - Mipha
• Geomancer - Isaac
• Aeromancer - Revali
• Cryomancer - Sub-Zero
• Electromancer - Galvantula

 

[Arctiq]

I had a bizarre dream that Chell was added to Smash, and her moveset was pretty cool. Her neutral special was punting a cube with the portal gun. She had a down special that created a turret. I think her side special and some of her normals created portals on the stage everyone could traverse.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

THE GROOSE IS LOOSE and dropping onto your timeline!

Happy launch day for the Legend of #Zelda: #SkywardSwordHD! To celebrate, we’re dedicating today to Link’s biggest “rival”, Groose! pic.twitter.com/bicRmGHxba

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) July 16, 2021

Ladies and gentlemen, this is a Groose discussion now.

GROOSE FOR SMASH!

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I had a bizarre dream that Chell was added to Smash, and her moveset was pretty cool. Her neutral special was punting a cube with the portal gun. She had a down special that created a turret. I think her side special and some of her normals created portals on the stage everyone could traverse.

She does technically have a Nintendo appearance

^Multi-platform.

Also, Portal as a series has a game on the Switch:

Bridge Constructor Portal for Nintendo Switch - Nintendo Official Site

Buy Bridge Constructor Portal and shop other great Nintendo products online at the official My Nintendo Store.

www.nintendo.com

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I had a bizarre dream that Chell was added to Smash, and her moveset was pretty cool. Her neutral special was punting a cube with the portal gun. She had a down special that created a turret. I think her side special and some of her normals created portals on the stage everyone could traverse.

She does technically have a Nintendo appearance

^Multi-platform.

Also, Portal as a series has a game on the Switch:

Bridge Constructor Portal for Nintendo Switch - Nintendo Official Site

Buy Bridge Constructor Portal and shop other great Nintendo products online at the official My Nintendo Store.

www.nintendo.com