Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Cutie Gwen]

I never thought I'd see the day 2 completely different arguments about 2 radically different characters were being presented as being The Same Actually

 

[Louie G.]

Because Chief fans are the ones being absolute hypocrites. They believe Chief can break the supposed rules to cater to a minority that wasn't already sold on FP2 because of Steviroth, but nothing else can, especially not first parties.

So you’ll be a “hypocrite” too? Way to stick it to the man, that definitely sends the message.

Stop making excuses and accept that it’s perfectly fine to just... believe different things can happen lol. Just because someone believes one thing can happen doesn’t mean they suddenly have to believe literally anything can happen. It’s not always just picking and choosing what they want to believe but informed by their own observations and speculation.

Again, my most wanted character falls under that Nintendo umbrella. I am not expecting them. It’s not because I don’t want to, it’s because I fail to see the logic in their inclusion right now. That is perfectly fine.

If you don’t see the logic in Chief right now, that is also fine. I disagree with you, but you’re welcome to believe that and also believe we’re getting a GBA character. I don’t believe that and that’s cool because these are not remotely similar statements that contradict one another in any way.

Your problem is that you’re ignoring that nuance and acting like these are the same thing while ALSO being vehemently against Master Chief and tacking on arbitrary rules yourself. There is no self awareness here.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Because Chief fans are the ones being absolute hypocrites. They believe Chief can break the supposed rules to cater to a minority that wasn't already sold on FP2 because of Steviroth, but nothing else can, especially not first parties.

And no, I am not saying Halo is a small third party. I just think plenty of people who want big third parties already bought the pass and thus Nintendo doesn't need to further cater to them, just like how they added Isabelle and Incineroar when the Brawl Boomers were already sold on base SSBU due to Ridley and K. Rool.

Corrin and Byleth were the sole first party newcomers for their respective DLC cycles, but its the part where they were at the end (both highly likely to be placed there because of their recency) that catches your eye. Don’t pretend to be the prophecized one to open the Smash fanbase’s eye when your peripheral vision can’t even spot the Cloud Strife and the Ballot Winner next to your false first party savior.

 

[SharkLord]

Speaking of Reimu

Guess I'm officially a Touhou fan now, this looks godlike

Yes, as you can see here Reimu Hakurei will be our third Castlevania rep. This is my final prediction and I am not backing out of this

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Crash and Adol would be a decent pair to end on.
Maybe reverse the order though so Smash fans dont go "WHY DID YOU END ON ANOTHER ANIME SWORDFIGHTER!?" lol

 

[Speed Weed]

Feels like we can't go a day without one of these arguments tbh

 

[WeirdChillFever]

That said I wouldn’t be surprised if either Dixie or Bandana Dee showed up regardless of whether they get a new game in the next two seconds. It’s just the reflex to state any trend in dogmas and have-tos that pisses me off (as well as the fact this fanbase ever laid eyes on the word “hypocritical“ and it then assuming it means something like “me no likey the sentence you said“)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yes, as you can see here Reimu Hakurei will be our third Castlevania rep. This is my final prediction and I am not backing out of this

Can we have Sakuya next too cause Luna Nights was ****ing phenomenal lmao

 

[SharkLord]

Feels like we can't go a day without one of these arguments tbh

This is why I've just given up arguments and stuck to being hopeful for my most-wanteds and making jokey responses. The debates are an endless loop that are ultimately more stress than they're worth and opinions seem to be set in stone until further notice, so it's best to just sit back and do my own thing in the corner here.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Dragon Slayer is another possible Falcom franchise that could get a playable rep. Falcom was BIG and did revolutionize RPGs and PC gaming, as early as 1981. Dragon Slayer 2 (shown above) was the best selling PC game ever from its release year, 1985, through the rest of the 80s.
Ys is another series they could go after. Been around since '87.
Regarind specific characters, besides the Dragon Slayer protagonist, Adol, and Mean, Estelle Bright is up there.

She's the main character of another big Falcom series, Legend of Heroes, and we don't have a staff user yet, let alone a female one 0_0

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

It was.
With the way it was said, seems that Sora was attempted back in smash 4, not for ultimate

I thought so, but I wasn’t sure. I know the guy that said it was an insider. If I remember correctly, as of Ultimate’s release, Disney was on board to have Sora join.

Sora is my #1 most wanted newcomer so I’ve done quite a bit of research in regards to his chances. Desire aside, I honestly believe he is likely the E3 reveal. He or Eggman/Tails. Just a feeling, and the feeling gets stronger as we near E3, and when others write him off as “Not happening for xyz reason.”

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

The good thing about being so lazy is that I don’t have the willpower to read some of these stupid ██ posts.

 

[volbound1700]

All of the leakers and Youtubers are pushing Crash right now:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

Thoughts? I hope they are not setting everyone's hopes up to only be dashed again.

 

[SharkLord]

Can we have Sakuya next too cause Luna Nights was ****ing phenomenal lmao

Considering how Sakuya's the main character of the second Touhouvania, I'd say yes more likely than not

Dragon Slayer is another possible Falcom franchise that could get a playable rep. Falcom was BIG and did revolutionize RPGs and PC gaming, as early as 1981. Dragon Slayer 2 (shown above) was the best selling PC game ever from its release year, 1985, through the rest of the 80s.
Ys is another series they could go after. Been around since '87.

To be fair, Dragon Slayer doesn't have much identifying characteristics in terms of characters or setting. Most people default to Ys over DS as the Falcom legacy pick on the basis that it's still getting regular releases and it has a recognizable candidate and setting to rally around. Also because Dragon Slayer doesn't have Sunshine Coastline

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Feels like we can't go a day without one of these arguments tbh

With all due respect sir, this is the newcomer thread.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The good thing about being so lazy is that I don’t have the willpower to read some of these stupid ██ posts.

Oh but you just missed all the Silent Hill discussion.


Sure it's on the Character Exploration thread but still

 

[TCT~Phantom]

This is a good admit, though maybe it's just me, but it kinda feels a tad bit biased. Like, we know how much you love Crash, so you make some of these points sound like bigger deals than they are. That's probably just me, though.

Though admittedly, I couldn't quite read everything given the length, so I wanted to ask you to clarify a few things:

1. How high are the chances that we can get a brand new third party company that isn't commonly discussed? I'm mostly thinking Nippon Ichi in this case, as I feel Disgaea is being a bit slept on, but really any company that fits that description.
2. Do you feel the fact that this is the first E3 to be set during the end of DLC will affect anything? That's part of the reason why people aren't expecting a big reveal.
3. How high do you think Euden's chances are? As the Dragalia Lost guy, I am required by law to remind people that he exists whenever they say Nintendo is out of viable first parties.

You might have already answered these, but again, I wasn't able to read the whole thing. Apologies for that.

1. I would say the odds of a dark horse third party like Nippon Ichi, Falcom, or even Spike Chunsoft are decent. Most of the stuff I wrote in part one would help them, though I plan on discussing this more in the CP 11 essay. In terms of E3? I do not think they can carry an E3 direct, especially as a solo reveal.

2. I mean, we got Cloud right towards the end of Sm4sh DLC, literally weeks before the final presentation. I would put more stock in a big reveal at e3 especially given the multiple E3's worth of info we have for Smash.

3. I mean, I think the lack of a European release IIRC is something that hurts Euden. Not particularly confident.

The basis is mostly just that Microsoft’s series are so vastly different than one another that it’s hard to justify dismissing one on the basis of another. SE has a little more overlap in genre and appeal but also has Lara Croft, 2B, etc. A lot of people have grown much more open to just judging series individually rather than casting that umbrella, but I guess I can understand maintaining skepticism since it hasn’t properly happened yet.

As DLC continues to subvert what we’ve accepted as truth though I’ve been making an effort to be ahead of the game on that and look forward toward what assumptions are shakiest. There really isn’t much that directly prevents a double dip from happening, aside from believing there needs to be some sort of fairness or balance among third parties, so I’ve considered that to be one of the weakest barriers out there. Reading between the lines doesn’t have a great success rate so far... collectively at least.

That’s not to pedal some “anything is possible” agenda either to justify adding ATs or whatever but considering what may lie right outside the realm of perceived possibility. I dunno. Chief gets talked about a lot now anyway so I’m not even sure that applies anymore. Let it be known I was on the cutting edge of that, lmao.

Anyway I’m sorry I don’t want to derail from your interesting writeup by focusing on exclusively one point. I just believe Master Chief is a character who poses a legitimate competition to Crash at E3.

I think it is less about the idea of overlap and more on business. If we were discarding characters based on overlap, I think FP1 would have not had 3 JRPG characters. Yes, they all have their own quirks, but when you have to make a joke about how there are too many swordsmen in Byleth's trailer, I think you have a problem.

I think Nintendo would avoid a double dip for the same season because it sets a nasty precedent. Let's say they do a double dip and they are negotiating for characters for the next game. Now, a company could easily use that as precedent to try to get another character in smash. For instance, sure, you can get Dante in from Capcom, but now th

Dragon Slayer is another possible Falcom franchise that could get a playable rep. Falcom was BIG and did revolutionize RPGs and PC gaming, as early as 1981. Dragon Slayer 2 (shown above) was the best selling PC game ever from its release year, 1985, through the rest of the 80s.
Ys is another series they could go after. Been around since '87.
Regarind specific characters, besides the Dragon Slayer protagonist, Adol, and Mean, Estelle Bright is up there.

She's the main character of another big Falcom series, Legend of Heroes, and we don't have a staff user yet, let alone a female one 0_0

Did you see the teaser for part 2 of the essay?

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

All of the leakers and Youtubers are pushing Crash right now:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

Thoughts? I hope they are not setting everyone's hopes up to only be dashed again.

Its always good to remember the "leak" scene is a lot like various other genres on YouTube; there's always far more money to be made in saying things people want to hear then to tell them disappointing truths.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Considering how Sakuya's the main character of the second Touhouvania, I'd say yes more likely than not

To be fair, Dragon Slayer doesn't have much identifying characteristics in terms of characters or setting. Most people default to Ys over DS as the Falcom legacy pick on the basis that it's still getting regular releases and it has a recognizable candidate and setting to rally around. Also because Dragon Slayer doesn't have Sunshine Coastline

Ah I see.

Also,
Does everyone here enjoy crossing out words these days?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

All of the leakers and Youtubers are pushing Crash right now:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

Thoughts? I hope they are not setting everyone's hopes up to only be dashed again.

Remember that Woah tweet back in December?

I'd still keep expectations low.

 

[MooMew64]

All of the leakers and Youtubers are pushing Crash right now:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

Thoughts? I hope they are not setting everyone's hopes up to only be dashed again.

Smash YouTubers ain't leakers, I wouldn't put much stock into anything they say.

Like, legit, I could make a funny 4chan post saying Luigi's nose is getting it's own slot and these people would make "TEH FIGHTER PACK 10 IS LEK???!!??11!!? MUST WATCH/NOT CLICKBAIT/BUY MY MERCH" videos.

Plus, everyone and their brother is saying Crash right now because people want him, so it's easy clicks.

 

[volbound1700]

Its always good to remember the "leak" scene is a lot like various other genres on YouTube; there's always far more money to be made in saying things people want to hear then to tell them disappointing truths.

Yeah, that Blocked Content guy will post about anything it seems like. The leak scene keeps listing out the big Western Characters and might be the reason that posters like me have gotten hopes up that the "big-name" GLOBAL franchises would make it versus the "Big-Name" Japanese franchises or recent popular titles, etc.

I am more of a fan of getting the Global Franchises that have been in the video game awhile on multiple consoles.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

All of the leakers and Youtubers are pushing Crash right now:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

Thoughts? I hope they are not setting everyone's hopes up to only be dashed again.

Sees blocked content

That is a bit too much clickbait. No duh these channels are going to talk about Crash or Chief, they know what gets clicks. Blocked Content videos are worth less than a bucket of spit.

 

[Schnee117]

If you want to cite demographics as an argument against Chief then you're doing a very poor job.
Just because he's a big third party character doesn't mean his fanbase completely crosses over with Minecraft and Final Fantasy 7, that insinuation is utterly stupid.

What you're comparing here is a sandbox survival/creative game that primarily appeals to kids and a JRPG to a first person shooter.
There is very little overlap here despite all three franchises being massive.

"Oh but we have shooter characters already"
Sure, but the appeal of Splatoon is completely different to Halo. Even the closest comparison with Metroid Prime doesn't work because, significant sales gap aside, Metroid is almost entirely about the single player adventure whilst Halo has a huge multiplayer focus beyond the campaign.

Dunno man, go touch grass or something instead of blowing up again because people dare like Chief lol

Yes, as you can see here Reimu Hakurei will be our third Castlevania rep. This is my final prediction and I am not backing out of this

To count as Castlevania you must:

• Be a Metroidvania (or be like Classicvania)
• Have a lot of kickass music
• Have awesome designs

Ergo Touhou is Castlevania

Can we have Sakuya next too cause Luna Nights was ****ing phenomenal lmao

I just want this for my BFF even if they don't touch fighting games anymore lol

 

[volbound1700]

Sees blocked content

That is a bit too much clickbait. No duh these channels are going to talk about Crash or Chief, they know what gets clicks. Blocked Content videos are worth less than a bucket of spit.

Agreed. Some of these are really a STRETCH like the working out one with Crash in it. You have to be almost a conspiracy theorist to believe that has anything to do with Smash.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Here's the thing:

PapaGenos is great.
LaxChris got a great redemption arc and admitted and apologized for not giving some proper Smash leak content. Dude's busy, it's all good.

Blocked Content.... Oh Callum.
Congrats to you on your music career, but... no, 4chan is garbage.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Oh but you just missed all the Silent Hill discussion.


Sure it's on the Character Exploration thread but still

Huh, I guess not paying attention actually might not be the best strategy.

Shot myself straight in the foot there. Damn. This like comedically right after it transitions too. Damn.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Also, Blocked Content's last video:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

99% sure this is fake, but Dovakhiin as a Bethesda rep over Doomguy? I mean, I wouldn't be 100% mad, fact that'd be awesome, but RIP Doomguy in that case.

 

[volbound1700]

If you want to cite demographics as an argument against Chief then you're doing a very poor job.
Just because he's a big third party character doesn't mean his fanbase completely crosses over with Minecraft and Final Fantasy 7, that insinuation is utterly stupid.

What you're comparing here is a sandbox survival/creative game that primarily appeals to kids and a JRPG to a first person shooter.
There is very little overlap here despite all three franchises being massive.

"Oh but we have shooter characters already"
Sure, but the appeal of Splatoon is completely different to Halo. Even the closest comparison with Metroid Prime doesn't work because, significant sales gap aside, Metroid is almost entirely about the single player adventure whilst Halo has a huge multiplayer focus beyond the campaign.

Dunno man, go touch grass or something instead of blowing up again because people dare like Chief lol



To count as Castlevania you must:

• Be a Metroidvania (or be like Classicvania)
• Have a lot of kickass music
• Have awesome designs

Ergo Touhou is Castlevania



I just want this for my BFF even if they don't touch fighting games anymore lol

I agree. Steve is a BIG NAME in the West but most responses where kind of like MissClickGaming's response, "oh it is Steve..." He is seen as more of that guy that was cool when were a kid but you grew up out of him.

If you look at Minecraft entirely based on sales, it makes total sense but I dare say most Western fans would have wanted a cooler IP like Crash or Masterchief.

The issue with Masterchief is that his dynamic may NEVER be into Smash. It is kind of like the PC crowd, Smash would be too childish for them.

 

[Schnee117]

I agree. Steve is a BIG NAME in the West but most responses where kind of like MissClickGaming's response, "oh it is Steve..." He is seen as more of that guy that was cool when were a kid but you grew up out of him.

If you look at Minecraft entirely based on sales, it makes total sense but I dare say most Western fans would have wanted a cooler IP like Crash or Masterchief.

The issue with Masterchief is that his dynamic may NEVER be into Smash. It is kind of like the PC crowd, Smash would be too childish for them.

That's not an invitation for you to go off on your weird tangent

 

[kirbsmash]

Blocked Content videos are worth less than a bucket of spit.

I do like his pre-smash ulimate videos, oh, and other videos where Snake's codics are on the new characters. But now, it's mostly just leak videos and I kinda toned off from blocked content's stuff

 

[GilTheGreat19]

The issue with Masterchief is that his dynamic may NEVER be into Smash. It is kind of like the PC crowd, Smash would be too childish for them.

I can agree with you on this A BIT.

I will say, however, this:
Go look up Minecraft YouTubers reacting to Minecraft Live 2020. In case you didn't know, Sakurai made a brief appearance talking about Steve's concurrent reveal and gameplay a bit, and lots of positivity was shown by the Youtubers and their reactions. DanTDM included!

I will admit, this is more or less evident that the PC Minecraft/general Minecraft crowd responded positively to Steve in Smash. ATM, not sure how the ENTIRE PC community responded.
Might see if r/pc has anything lol

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Huh, I guess not paying attention actually might not be the best strategy.

Shot myself straight in the foot there. Damn. This like comedically right after it transitions too. Damn.

There's still some time left there actually so maybe you can gush and answer stuff real quick? I do recommend catching up on recent pages there though

 

[TCT~Phantom]

I agree. Steve is a BIG NAME in the West but most responses where kind of like MissClickGaming's response, "oh it is Steve..." He is seen as more of that guy that was cool when were a kid but you grew up out of him.

If you look at Minecraft entirely based on sales, it makes total sense but I dare say most Western fans would have wanted a cooler IP like Crash or Masterchief.

The issue with Masterchief is that his dynamic may NEVER be into Smash. It is kind of like the PC crowd, Smash would be too childish for them.

This tangent is weird and honestly does not make sense. Steve had a strong response especially in the West. If you want evidence just look at how popular his reveal was vs others for the game.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Also, Blocked Content's last video:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

99% sure this is fake, but Dovakhiin as a Bethesda rep over Doomguy? I mean, I wouldn't be 100% mad, fact that'd be awesome, but RIP Doomguy in that case.

I don't think there's much to this, but given Skyrim's relatively strong sales in Japan, and the more family friendly nature of it (at least in comparison to Doom) there would some logic to them over the Doom Slayer.

 

[Schnee117]

Like, I dunno what it is with people very clearly not getting the point I'm making and then going on some goofy tangent.
That's twice in not even 24 hours

I don't care about the whole "too childish" thing lol, there's no basis for that when Smash has Metal Gear and Bayonetta or when Halo's a very tame M rating or also putting out young adult novels and comics.

 

[Louie G.]

I think Nintendo would avoid a double dip for the same season because it sets a nasty precedent. Let's say they do a double dip and they are negotiating for characters for the next game. Now, a company could easily use that as precedent to try to get another character in smash.

That seems a bit silly though, right? Nintendo has all the willpower to say no if their partners get greedy, and I think most companies would be grateful to get even a single character. From a business standpoint I think it makes even less sense to maintain that limitation, because Nintendo can grab another character that will make them lots of money and get them lots of press, even if that character shares a company with an earlier addition.

I dunno, matter of perspective. I think people attribute these feelings onto companies / corporations that don't necessarily exist though. If Capcom gets jealous that another company gets three characters just like them then that just comes off as really petty and unprofessional, even if those characters were just added within closer proximity. Namco still only has one character and seems fairly satisfied with that, etc.

 

[GoodGrief741]

The issue with Masterchief is that his dynamic may NEVER be into Smash. It is kind of like the PC crowd, Smash would be too childish for them.

Did you miss the part where Metal Gear Solid is in Smash?

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Dovahkiin would be a based E3 Smash reveal too:
-Many would consider it to be left field
-NOT sure how Doomguy fans would react
-Skyrim WAS one of the first third party games to ever get a Switch port.

I could see it.

 

[MooMew64]

I agree. Steve is a BIG NAME in the West but most responses where kind of like MissClickGaming's response, "oh it is Steve..." He is seen as more of that guy that was cool when were a kid but you grew up out of him.

If you look at Minecraft entirely based on sales, it makes total sense but I dare say most Western fans would have wanted a cooler IP like Crash or Masterchief.

The issue with Masterchief is that his dynamic may NEVER be into Smash. It is kind of like the PC crowd, Smash would be too childish for them.

Yeah, gonna have to hardcore disagree there. Steve was popular.

Dude straight up crashed Twitter.