Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Cosmic77]

Mario and Sonic at the nonexistent Olympic Games.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

I don't care what anyone thinks at this point. I've been certain Mother 3 would be revealed at the next E3 each year since 2011.

I'll do it again. This time the spirit of Terry Crews is in me!

Whether it be this year, next year, or thirty years from now, I'm absolutely convinced that Mother 3 will happen one day. As much as it's a meme, or how unlikely people find it since it has already been fifteen years, crazier things have happened. Nintendo knows there's a demand. It's not even a niche Starmen.net petition anymore. Mother 3 is almost at mainstream level of relevance simply due to people wanting it. And I don't blame them, it's a great game.

 

[Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur]

Particularly since Pac-Man has barely any spirits and a basic AF assist trophy

God only knows why the Taunt Roulette cameos didn't get spirit battles, 99% of people don't even know they're in the game

Sure, with the role that Nintendo has in picking characters, it's not hard to see how Tales and Tekken and Taiko get continually out-prioritised for playable status - but pump up what you do have

The Namco content in Smash is so bizzarely underwhelming, it's like they obscured it on purpose. It's great that Pac-Man's moveset and song list reference other classic Namco games, as do the couple of Namco items, but the lack of Pac-Maze is baffling. Add to that the fact that the games referenced in the Namco Roulette taunt are relegated to blink and you'll miss it cameos, and don't have Spirits, not even of the same sprites that are literally already in the game as part of the aforementioned taunt, and it seems like they have thus far been intentionally omitted from the Spirit list. And it's not like they just chose to focus on Pac-Man games for spirits, either, because there's only five and they're all from PAC-MAN or PAC-LAND.
I can't think of any reason why Namco wouldn't include Spirits from Dig Dug, Mappy, Valkyrie, etc. in a game they literally developed, except to demonstrate the utmost levels of Japanese modesty and humility.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Mario and Sonic at the nonexistent Olympic Games.

The tragic irony was that this was supposed to be the Olympic Games that would have starred Mario in real life.

 

[Technomage]

The Namco content in Smash is so bizzarely underwhelming, it's like they obscured it on purpose. It's great that Pac-Man's moveset and song list reference other classic Namco games, as do the couple of Namco items, but the lack of Pac-Maze is baffling. Add to that the fact that the games referenced in the Namco Roulette taunt are relegated to blink and you'll miss it cameos, and don't have Spirits, not even of the same sprites that are literally already in the game as part of the aforementioned taunt, and it seems like they have thus far been intentionally omitted from the Spirit list. And it's not like they just chose to focus on Pac-Man games for spirits, either, because there's only five and they're all from PAC-MAN or PAC-LAND.
I can't think of any reason why Namco wouldn't include Spirits from Dig Dug, Mappy, Valkyrie, etc. in a game they literally developed, except to demonstrate the utmost levels of Japanese modesty and humility.

Well, the Trivia section of the article I'm gonna post does state that there is speculation about a rule that Namco imposed that prohibits Pac-Man characters from being displayed or implied as dead. I don't know if that's true, though.

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ SPECIAL Dairantō Sumasshu Burazāzu Supesharu) is the sixth installment in Super Smash Bros. series (fifth if both versions of Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U are considered the same game). It was developed by Sora Ltd. and Bandai Namco...

pacman.fandom.com

 

[Gnateb]

Well, the Trivia section of the article I'm gonna post does state that there is speculation about a rule that Namco imposed that prohibits Pac-Man characters from being displayed or implied as dead. I don't know if that's true, though.

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ SPECIAL Dairantō Sumasshu Burazāzu Supesharu) is the sixth installment in Super Smash Bros. series (fifth if both versions of Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U are considered the same game). It was developed by Sora Ltd. and Bandai Namco...

pacman.fandom.com

If that's the case, it's weird that Pac-Man has spirits, then.

 

[Technomage]

If that's the case, it's weird that Pac-Man has spirits, then.

Well, I think I can figure out why some of those Spirits are exceptions: Both Ghost spirits because they're already dead to begin with, the fairy because fairies are often considered a kind of spirit (even if they're not dead), the Bonus Fruits because they're inanimate objects, and Pac-Man because all fighters have to have at least one spirit of themselves.

 

[Sephirothorsomethingidk]

The Namco content in Smash is so bizzarely underwhelming, it's like they obscured it on purpose. It's great that Pac-Man's moveset and song list reference other classic Namco games, as do the couple of Namco items, but the lack of Pac-Maze is baffling. Add to that the fact that the games referenced in the Namco Roulette taunt are relegated to blink and you'll miss it cameos, and don't have Spirits, not even of the same sprites that are literally already in the game as part of the aforementioned taunt, and it seems like they have thus far been intentionally omitted from the Spirit list. And it's not like they just chose to focus on Pac-Man games for spirits, either, because there's only five and they're all from PAC-MAN or PAC-LAND.
I can't think of any reason why Namco wouldn't include Spirits from Dig Dug, Mappy, Valkyrie, etc. in a game they literally developed, except to demonstrate the utmost levels of Japanese modesty and humility.

THIS. Doesn't this all seem a wee bit suspicious at all?

 

[ROBnWatch]

I don't care what anyone thinks at this point. I've been certain Mother 3 would be revealed at the next E3 each year since 2011.

I'll do it again. This time the spirit of Terry Crews is in me!

If we keep predicting it, then we will eventually be correct.

...Right?

I mean, we’re the customer, and the customer is always right.

 

[Gnateb]

Well, I think I can figure out why some of those Spirits are exceptions: Both Ghost spirits because they're already dead to begin with, the fairy because fairies are often considered a kind of spirit (even if they're not dead), the Bonus Fruits because they're inanimate objects, and Pac-Man because all fighters have to have at least one spirit of themselves.

Does this mean Dark Souls is the most eligible Bandai Namco IP, because all of the characters are canonically dead or spirits?

Spoiler

/s

 

[PeridotGX]

Well, I think I can figure out why some of those Spirits are exceptions: Both Ghost spirits because they're already dead to begin with, the fairy because fairies are often considered a kind of spirit (even if they're not dead), the Bonus Fruits because they're inanimate objects, and Pac-Man because all fighters have to have at least one spirit of themselves.

fun fact: Pac-Man's spirit comes from some Sonic mobile game, so technically it's not a Namco spirit.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Whether it be this year, next year, or thirty years from now, I'm absolutely convinced that Mother 3 will happen one day. As much as it's a meme, or how unlikely people find it since it has already been fifteen years, crazier things have happened. Nintendo knows there's a demand. It's not even a niche Starmen.net petition anymore. Mother 3 is almost at mainstream level of relevance simply due to people wanting it. And I don't blame them, it's a great game.

Exactly!
Mother 3 is no longer that one obscure game that a bunch of nerds wanted in 2007. It became much more. People started being interested in the series, I think due to Smash making people discover what Mother actually was, but also the fanbase that always kept pushing for the game to be localized, never dropping their efforts.

Nintendo themselves acknowledged Mother 3 in 2014, which is kinda huge given that the game was never released elsewhere at all than Japan, thus technically obscure (which was already not the case anymore, it was already a meme). They finally gave us an official release for Mother 1 in 2015. Earthbound was also released on the new 3DS in 2017. Both games sold extremely well, apparently even topping the best sales of all times on Wii U.

I will be delusional until the very end, but man if they actually port the three games on Switch this year for Mother 3's 15th anniversary, I'll actually create a Twitter account and thank Terry Crews for using his magic.

 

[Gnateb]

Dark Souls, like I've said before, is one of the few series out there whose presence in Smash would make canonical sense.

Plot and thematic similarities aside (the lyrics of Lifelight and the overall plot of Smash Ultimate being kinda like DS), it would check out story-wise.

DS characters are long undead, and carry their souls. Putting spirits, or the essences of basically any Dark Souls character into the game, would effectively be like adding their "souls".

Also, NPCs, online play, and phantoms of other players are explained in DS. "Time is convoluted" in the world of Lordan, with heroes of many different ages and timelines fading in and out. The Smash team could just use the Chosen Undead flickering into the world of Smash as a reveal trailer, and it would be perfectly canonically justified.

 

[Momotsuki]

I love MOTHER 3 to death, and I've gotta ask; why do people want an official localization so bad? So that NoA can mangle it? Go play Tomato's translation instead of waiting for a censored parody of the original script.

 

[DarthEnderX]

why do people want an official localization so bad?

So that it's available to normies and it can finally get the widespread appreciation it deserves.

 

[Sephirothorsomethingidk]

Where is Vergeben?

 

[Louie G.]

I love MOTHER 3 to death, and I've gotta ask; why do people want an official localization so bad? So that NoA can mangle it? Go play Tomato's translation instead of waiting for a censored parody of the original script.

Honestly on my end, and I assume everyone else’s, it’s just to finally “win”. The localization of Mother 3, flawed or otherwise, would be the final chapter of a battle that the Mother community has been fighting for years on years. It’s definitely more about the sentiment than anything else.

And yeah, for the people who weren’t in the know they can finally experience the game to some extent, so long as Nintendo markets it properly.

 

[Shroob]

Where is Vergeben?

Found dead in a ditch in San Francisco.

Some say Nintendo Ninjas did it.

 

[PeridotGX]

Found dead in a ditch in San Francisco.

Some say Nintendo Ninjas did it.

Remember, Vergeben is a collective. One Vergeben might have died, but the rest are OK.

 

[SharkLord]

Dark Souls, like I've said before, is one of the few series out there whose presence in Smash would make canonical sense.

Plot and thematic similarities aside (the lyrics of Lifelight and the overall plot of Smash Ultimate being kinda like DS), it would check out story-wise.

DS characters are long undead, and carry their souls. Putting spirits, or the essences of basically any Dark Souls character into the game, would effectively be like adding their "souls".

Also, NPCs, online play, and phantoms of other players are explained in DS. "Time is convoluted" in the world of Lordan, with heroes of many different ages and timelines fading in and out. The Smash team could just use the Chosen Undead flickering into the world of Smash as a reveal trailer, and it would be perfectly canonically justified.

In that case, this would be the Dark Souls of Spirit Battles

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Who could even rep Dark Souls?
I'm aware of how logical Chosen Undead would be.

But what about, say, Solaire and/or Artorias?

 

[Guynamednelson]

Nintendo themselves acknowledged Mother 3 in 2014

More like the Robot Chicken crew if anything. I'm not sure if a skit made in-house would acknowledge Mother 3 like that.

 

[Technomage]

Who could even rep Dark Souls?
I'm aware of how logical Chosen Undead would be.

But what about, say, Solaire and/or Artorias?

Well, Solaire and the Chosen Undead are the most frequently suggested DS reps I've seen; I don't know about Artorias, though (I don't even know who he is, nor do I know much about DS).

 

[Shroob]

Well, Solaire and the Chosen Undead are the most frequently suggested DS reps I've seen; I don't know about Artorias, though (I don't even know who he is, nor do I know much about DS).

Artorias is a dude who's important to the lore who had a expansion named after him where you fight him.


That's about as much as I remember from Google Theory in regards to him.

 

[PeridotGX]

Well, Solaire and the Chosen Undead are the most frequently suggested DS reps I've seen; I don't know about Artorias, though (I don't even know who he is, nor do I know much about DS).

all I know about Artorias is that there was a "leak" that had him in it, Google Theory, shortly before E3 2019.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

The tragic irony was that this was supposed to be the Olympic Games that would have starred Mario in real life.

I love the 2020 Olympics not happening purely out of the fact that Akira somehow predicted this

 

[Gnateb]

Well, Solaire and the Chosen Undead are the most frequently suggested DS reps I've seen; I don't know about Artorias, though (I don't even know who he is, nor do I know much about DS).

Artorias is this guy.

He was one of the four Knights of Gwyn, but was corrupted by the Abyss after trying to stop it's spread.

Super cheesy lore, but he's a fan favorite DLC boss from the first game, and for a reason. Knight Artorias is considered one of the best bosses in the series by many, and canonically, he is super strong. When you fight him, his dominant arm is broken, and he's ill. Even still, he can kick your a** repeatedly.

I think Chosen Undead (with a Solaire alt), or Solaire would be the character picked for Smash Ultimate, without a doubt. When the whole "google Theory" thing came up, though, I have to say I liked the idea of Artorias being playable.

He seems like such a Sakurai pick. Artorias getting in would be like Iori becoming playable before Terry, which Sakurai might've preferred.

 

[Technomage]

Artorias is this guy.
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He was one of the four Knights of Gwyn, but was corrupted by the Abyss after trying to stop it's spread.

Super cheesy lore, but he's a fan favorite DLC boss from the first game, and for a reason. Knight Artorias is considered one of the best bosses in the series by many, and canonically, he is super strong. When you fight him, his dominant arm is broken, and he's ill. Even still, he can kick your a** repeatedly.

Ooohh, sounds so badass; maybe he could make for a great DLC boss (even if it's as a stage boss), if he isn't the playable rep?

 

[GilTheGreat19]

all I know about Artorias is that there was a "leak" that had him in it, Google Theory, shortly before E3 2019.

Bingo McSchmingo, Artorias is a popular DLC DS Boss added in some campaign iirc.

 

[Gnateb]

Ooohh, sounds so badass; maybe he could make for a great DLC boss (even if it's as a stage boss), if he isn't the playable rep?

That's what I was thinking, too. An Artorias stage boss would be right up there with Gwyn or Ornstein and Smough in terms of "exciting" for me, lol.

 

[Shroob]

Dark Souls has always felt like an interesting concept for a fighter.


I just question how fun they'd be to play/be as.



I don't question Sakurai's ability to give a Dark Souls character a moveset, but knowing Sakurai, he'd try to encapsulate the essence of Dark Souls gameplay in the character itself.... which would mean brutal difficulty. A character with insanely slow attacks that deal considerable damage, but is fairly frail sounds.... unique, to say the least.

 

[Schnee117]

Well, Solaire and the Chosen Undead are the most frequently suggested DS reps I've seen; I don't know about Artorias, though (I don't even know who he is, nor do I know much about DS).

Artorias is the Not!Berserker Armour Guts character

Edit: lol that happens when ya get distracted I guess

 

[Gnateb]

Dark Souls has always felt like an interesting concept for a fighter.


I just question how fun they'd be to play/be as.



I don't question Sakurai's ability to give a Dark Souls character a moveset, but knowing Sakurai, he'd try to encapsulate the essence of Dark Souls gameplay in the character itself.... which would mean brutal difficulty. A character with insanely slow attacks that deal considerable damage, but is fairly frail sounds.... unique, to say the least.

Another reason why I think Artorias could be a cool Smash fighter. Whereas Chosen Undead (though they could work for sure) would likely be a heavier, slower-paced character, Artorias' fighting style in the Dark Souls DLC revolves around the following:

1. Leaping across the battlefield and slamming you with a Greatsword
2. Flailing said Greatsword
3. Exploding with abyss energy, and using it to bump his damage output
4. Leaving a trail of Abyss were he walks, which damages anyone who treads in it
5. Zooming across the arena and stabbing you

His buddy is a big wolf with a sword, too.

Generally a more fast-paced fighter.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Honestly, Artorias feels like a CP11 to me, idk about y'all.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Dark Souls has always felt like an interesting concept for a fighter.


I just question how fun they'd be to play/be as.



I don't question Sakurai's ability to give a Dark Souls character a moveset, but knowing Sakurai, he'd try to encapsulate the essence of Dark Souls gameplay in the character itself.... which would mean brutal difficulty. A character with insanely slow attacks that deal considerable damage, but is fairly frail sounds.... unique, to say the least.

Sephiroth technically already fulfilled that niche.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Sephiroth technically already fulfilled that niche.

Only difference, I think Artorias would be a heavyweight, no?

 

[Guynamednelson]

Honestly, Artorias feels like a CP11 to me, idk about y'all.

Even with my biases...really? You clearly aren't paying attention to Smash's oh-so-grand finales. Even Bayonetta, while she's no Corrin, is from a less well-known franchise than Dark Souls.

 

[Gnateb]

Only difference, I think Artorias would be a heavyweight, no?

That, and "niches" don't really matter that much when it comes to roster additions.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Who could even rep Dark Souls?
I'm aware of how logical Chosen Undead would be.

But what about, say, Solaire and/or Artorias?

The Giant Woman.

Whatever her name was...

 

[Gnateb]

The Giant Woman.

Whatever her name was...

Gwynevere, lol.

Spoiler

Her gimmick is fading away after getting hit once