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I brought up Zero Mission because that's where Sakurai got the idea of adding Zero Suit Samus as you play as ZSS at the endgame. It turns into a stealth game as you're frail as **** and the most you can do against enemies is tase them for a few seconds but only if your paralyzer's fully charged. She's the biggest outlier compared to the rest of the cast even today
Yeah, I know, but I thought we were previously talking about some people thinking Zero Suit Samus replacing Suited Samus in Brawl before.
Well you can go to Source Gaming's why characters got selected series for that!
Oh I'm well aware of why, I just feel that ZSS is an enigma and that it's not so strange to have questions about her back then as obvious as it all is in hindsight
on the other side I looked like a jerk reassuring my cousin that ice climbers would be back (he used them heavily in melee and brawl) because “they weren’t clones and some characters just take a while to reconfirm. Lookat Yoshi still not being confirmed yet, of course he’s coming back.”
We know exactly how. Because they were a modified Kirby.
Already ahead of ya', mate. I made this post about two pages ago:
Tales of or Adol.
You know who I'd say probably, lol.
Sora
I'm gonna put my money in on Chosen Undead or Tales
If Master Chief gets revealed, and he uses his Energy Sword for at least one of his moves, then he'd fit the bill. XD
Rie Sonomura
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I'm gonna cheat and say Master Chief since he can use a sword.
You could add the Octo Expansion versions of Off the Hook and Cap’n Cuttlefish (different costumes)OK so back when Splatoon 3 got announced, there was some talk in here about Octoling becoming playable (whether that would be in this game or another Smash game, who knows). But the current general consensus is that Octoling would make a great Echo, just swap Splattershot for Octoshot. And that's still a very reasonable and plausible idea. However, I wanted to see what I could do to make the character unique, if not an Isabelle to Inkling's Villager. Anything not explicitly mentioned in here (rolls, floor/ledge attacks, grabs and throws etc.) function just like Inkling's, and Octoling would have the same ink mechanic. Finally, I'm not all that great with judging how much a move should damage/knockback/ink an opponent or deplete the ink tank, so my numbers and descriptions are just there for an idea. Also keep in mind, there are some Octo-Expansion spoilers (mainly with aesthetics and the stage). Without further ado, I give you my own Octoling moveset/character pack. Hope you all enjoy. And I suppose I'll tag our resident Octoling supporter
Neutral Special – Octoshot. While the main goal here is to create a semi-clone/original moveset, the Octoshot is obviously the weapon Octoling would be holding most often. This functions similarly to Inkling’s Splattershot, doing decent inkage and pushing enemies further away. Depletes ink at the same rate as Inkling neutral special.
Side Special – Splat Brella. The Octoling pulls out a Splat Brella, which absorbs damage from attacks (about 15-20%). While holding down the button, the Brella shield stays open and you can continuously fire. The catch here is that the fire rate is slow and doesn’t cover the enemy in much ink. If the Brella is hit and the damage exceeds the amount of health left, the Brella’s shield vanishes immediately and the Octoling is left open to attack until putting the Brella away. If the Brella is held for 5 seconds and hasn’t been destroyed, it will detach and slowly move forward for an additional 3 seconds, doing light damage to anyone it contacts. Once detached, the Brella is put away. Each shot uses 10% of the ink tank, can fire 3 shots before detaching the Brella.
Up Special – Super Jump, functions identically to Inkling’s.
Down Special – Splatling. The Octoling pulls out a Splatling and begins charging it by holding down the button. When the button is released, the Splatling fires forward a stream of ink. This can be slightly angled and does a fair bit of damage/inkage (at full charge and if all shots connect). However, its very laggy once the button is released. The Octoling can move around very slowly while firing, and perform short hops. Depletes around 30% of the ink tank.Neutral Attack/Jab – Identical to Inkling’s. Not much to say here. Depletes ink at same rate as Inkling's.
Dash Attack – Dualie Roll. The Octoling jumps out of the ink they were dashing in and performs a quick roll forward using the Dualies which does some damage and knockback. If the button is held afterwards, the Octoling will stop in place and fire the Dualies forward a bit, inking opponents. The initial hit of the roll launches the opponent at an angle so that they will usually be hit with the follow up shots afterwards, unless they are at higher damage, in which case the move’s knockback increases and can set up for edgeguards with the follow-up shots and kills near a ledge. The control stick can also be tilted forward or backward to perform another roll in that direction. The second roll does far less knockback and damage though, and is better used as a quick way to escape an attack if your first roll didn’t connect. Each roll consumes 10% of the ink tank, and the shooting of the Dualies afterward consumes 5%.
Up Smash – The Octoling charges up and fires the Rainmaker directly upwards. The blast resembles that of Splatoon 2, and doesn’t travel too far up, but has a pretty good blast radius and pulls nearby opponents in slightly. The attack does a lot of damage/inkage/knockback, doing more the closer the opponent is to the center of the blast, but in return its very laggy. Depletes 5-20% of the ink tank based on the charge level.
Side Smash – Charger. The Octoling lines up a Charger shot, which increases in range as it is held. The tip of the shot has a sweet spot, and a reticle from the series is shown at the sweet spot along with a line indicator, like in Splatoon 2. However, the farther away an opponent is, the less inked they will be from the shot, though damage and knockback increase with range. Depletes 5-20% of the ink tank depending on charge level.
Down Smash – Ink Mine. The Octoling charges and places an Ink Mine on the ground, which immediately explodes if there are enemies within the proximity. If no enemies are present, the Ink Mine will stay down for 5 seconds before exploding, regardless of enemy proximity. Deals a moderate amount of inkage, knockback, and damage. The closer the opponent is to the center of the proximity, the higher damage/knockback/inkage. Depletes 5-20% of the ink tank based on charge level.
Up Tilt – Octobrush. The Octoling swipes the Octobrush above itself quickly. Good for juggling and can be used in quick succession with low knockback, but it isn’t out for all that long. Each swing depletes 5% of the ink tank.
Side Tilt – Identical to Inkling’s.
Down Tilt – The Octoling performs a quick swipe in front of itself, aimed at the ground, with the Octobrush. Does light knockback, damage, and inkage. Can be used repeatedly in quick succession, but the area it hits isn’t all that large. Each swing depletes 5% of the ink tank.Neutral Air – A quick flip spin while shooting ink with the Dualies mid-air. Think Joker’s aerial spin with his gun. Does low inkage and knockback with moderate damage. Depletes 10% of the ink tank.
Forward Air – Burst Bomb. A quickly thrown Burst Bomb (because they’re my favorite) that travels a short distance forward before exploding for moderate damage and knockback but low inkage. Depletes 10% of the ink tank.
Back Air – Implements the Splat Brella, which is swung behind the Octoling in a similar animation to Villager’s side tilt. This also fires a short burst of ink at point blank range, and as such has quite a bit of knockback if the shot hits and pushes Octoling forward a bit. Depletes 15% of the ink tank.
Up Air – Identical to Inkling’s.
Down Air – Functions identically to Inkling’s, except it is performed using the Rainmaker from the in-game mode of the same name. The animation also changes to the slamming down animation used in the mode, but has a similar hitbox and the same function/purpose as Inkling’s.Final Smash – Booyah Bomb. The Octoling rises into the background of the stage, charging a Booyah Bomb. The user can throw it immediately or charge it up for up to 4 seconds by hitting an attack button repeatedly. The user can then aim using a reticle, similar to Giga Bowser Punch, and throws the bomb at that part of the stage. The bomb flies there immediately and detonates with about the radius of a Magic Burst (maybe a bit smaller, I don’t know the exact radius of a maximum Magic Burst). The Octoling then lands back on the battlefield in the spot where the move was initiated.Some of these reference victory animations, as shown in the video:Stage Entrance – The Octoling rides in from off screen on an Inkrail and lands.
Up Taunt – Charger victory animation Girl: 0:23 Boy: 1:23 (Since this is a taunt, the Octoling Girl and Boy may share the same animation rather than using their separate ones.)
Side Taunt – Octoling opens their free hand and shows a Golden Toothpick (if you know, you know). Octoling then closes their open hand into a fist and does a small fist bump and nod with a look of determination, akin to the animation they do when a Curling Bomb that they’ve used explodes.
Down Taunt – Octoling crouches down and smiles at the camera in a similar fashion to the “pose” they do during the final cutscene of Octo-Expansion before the credits roll.
Victory Pose 1 – Dualies victory animation Girl: 0:50 Boy: 1:44
Victory Pose 2 – One of the 4 thangs is seen behind Octoling as they snap a photo with it. C.Q. Cumber is seen next to the Octoling/thang and the Octoling finishes by winking at the camera.
Victory Pose 3 – Brella victory animation Girl: 0:59 Boy: 1:53
Clap Animation – I don’t know how many of you guys have seen Octoling’s losing animations in Splatoon 2, but a good amount of them are a bit overdramatic/salty. So when an Octoling loses in Smash, they’ll definitely be glaring you down as they clap.
Costumes – There are 4 Octoling Girl and 4 Octoling Boy costumes. The default for each uses the Agent 8 outfit, while the rest use various costumes from in-game. Inkling already uses 8 different ink colors, and while Octoling’s first default costume would use the magenta colored ink as seen in most Octo-Expansion promo material, the other 7 would need to use other colors. I can’t really go through all the different possible colors still available, but here’s a link with a whole bunch of them, pick your favorites: https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/InkNils Statue – The final location of the Octo-Expansion. The stage works similarly to Delfino Plaza, starting on the floating platforms as provided by helicopters that Pearl and Marina bring in to rescue Agent 8 and Cap’n Cuttlefish. These platforms drop you off at various locations throughout the statue, each offering a unique layout. Occasionally, Hyper Bombs will fly in on to the statue parts of the stage, and can be detonated upon hitting them. Once the stage is covered in ink from the Hyper Bombs, characters will be taken off the statue as the background plays out the rest of the events from the game. Afterwards, the statue begins to sink and players stay on the helicopter platforms until the statue rises again inexplicably to repeat the cycle.
Other ideas I won’t flesh out as much include using the Deepsea Metro (going to a few select stations), Shifty Station (has 3-5 variations based on Shifty Stations from in-game), or any number of online stages. Point is, there’s a lot of options.Fly Octo Fly, Spicy Calamari Inkantation, Nasty Majesty, Battery Full, Lookin’ Fresh (If you can make EarthBound’s shop theme work, you can do Splatoon’s), Color Pulse, City of Color, Fins and Fiddles, 4 additional tracks. Could be from the Octo-Expansion campaign or other battle music.
Octoling Girl (Fighter Spirit), Octoling Boy (Fighter Spirit), Commander Tartar, C.Q. Cumber, Iso Padre, Mr. Grizz, Salmonids, 6 enemy characters, either from Splatoon campaigns or Salmon Run bosses, can reuse current Splatoon Spirits if need be.
Oh, we're now talking about swordies we want, too? Well then, I'll join the topic extension, too. The ones I want most are either Squall Leonhart, Raiden, or the Imperial from Etrian Odyssey 4; yeah, we got plenty of swordsmen, but we don't have any vibrobladesmen on the roster.I'm gonna cheat and say Master Chief since he can use a sword.
If that doesn't work out, I would like Nightmare from Soul Calibur.
There's a good thought! I appreciate the feedback, and I'm glad you liked it.
Sakurai will shoot the "No fourth-parties" rule in the head and add Ultraman Z Delta Rise Claw with his talking gimmick sword the Beliarok
What if I demand context nicely?
Also, maybe the victory theme could be TEST PASSED! From Octo expansion
I actually meant to include that but forgot. It could also be the theme that plays when acquiring one of the 4 thangs. I'll go ahead and edit that in.
As much as I want Dante, I feel like a second Namco-Bandai character is more likely, and most of the examples that I can think of use a sword, whether it's the Chosen Undead from Dark Souls, KOS-MOS (I think she has a sword? She uses a lot of weapons), a Soul Calibur character, or a Tales Of character. (though I don't think Lloyd Irving is likely - I'd find it weird if the developers brought back characters like Heihachi, Monster Hunter, Geno, and Tails/Knuckles as Mii costumes, but went out of their way to upgrade Lloyd Irving over all of them. Plus, people thought that Geno might be making it back in when his Mii costume was conspicuously absent during Hero's wave, or that Monster Hunter might be included given that Mii costume's conspicuous absence coupled with the release of Monster Hunter Rise, and we all saw how those turned out)
I have poor memory but if I recall correctly, for th CP5, Vergeben did say it wouldn't be another Square-Enix or Microsoft character, didn't he?One of the main things going against Dark Souls or Tales I guess is Verge's deconfirm list. I know he said it was explicitly just for CP5, but like7NATOR has said, it still completely stands, which is worth noting.
I can't really say I agree with this line of thinking. Everyone has different merits and draws for their inclusion, and there's a finite number of slots; Ultimately, a lot of characters will just be outprioritized. When people say "They didn't add (X), (Y), and (Z), so they won't add Lloyd," I dunno, it feels like it suggests there's a pecking order for inclusion and that just doesn't seem to be the case. To me, it seems like knocking someone's ice cream out of their hands because everyone else dropped theirs, so it has to be "fair."
That was on the Old List, and the reason that Old List was so inaccurate was because Vergeben misunderstood his Source in what the Source was actually saying
Excatly, it was explicitely for CP5 because it's the specific information that the source he had knew about at the time.
I want to point this out; Digimon ain't getting any kind of summon item without a playable character. There's no way they can justify that. It's too big of a series anyway, and that's a huge amount of models and items to create to not have either of its mascots playable.
My theory was that the Source heard about Negotiations for Companies that were to be involved in FP2, but couldn't decipher in what form was each Company/Character going to be
To be fair, when was the last time a Nintendo character got leaked?
Hayabusa.
Good choice on the Final Smash, and I like the inclusion of the Splatling. The music and spirits are also neat.OK so back when Splatoon 3 got announced, there was some talk in here about Octoling becoming playable (whether that would be in this game or another Smash game, who knows). But the current general consensus is that Octoling would make a great Echo, just swap Splattershot for Octoshot. And that's still a very reasonable and plausible idea. However, I wanted to see what I could do to make the character unique, if not an Isabelle to Inkling's Villager. I didn't include anything from the brief Splatoon 3 footage we've seen, I felt that would make it too messy and just throwing stuff in for the sake of having it. Anything not explicitly mentioned in here (rolls, floor/ledge attacks, grabs and throws etc.) function just like Inkling's, and Octoling would have the same ink mechanic. Finally, I'm not all that great with judging how much a move should damage/knockback/ink an opponent or deplete the ink tank, so my numbers and descriptions are just there for an idea. Also keep in mind, there are some Octo-Expansion spoilers (mainly with aesthetics and the stage). Without further ado, I give you my own Octoling moveset/character pack. Hope you all enjoy. And I suppose I'll tag our resident Octoling supporter
Neutral Special – Octoshot. While the main goal here is to create a semi-clone/original moveset, the Octoshot is obviously the weapon Octoling would be holding most often. This functions similarly to Inkling’s Splattershot, doing decent inkage and pushing enemies further away. Depletes ink at the same rate as Inkling neutral special.
Side Special – Splat Brella. The Octoling pulls out a Splat Brella, which absorbs damage from attacks (about 15-20%). While holding down the button, the Brella shield stays open and you can continuously fire. The catch here is that the fire rate is slow and doesn’t cover the enemy in much ink. If the Brella is hit and the damage exceeds the amount of health left, the Brella’s shield vanishes immediately and the Octoling is left open to attack until putting the Brella away. If the Brella is held for 5 seconds and hasn’t been destroyed, it will detach and slowly move forward for an additional 3 seconds, doing light damage to anyone it contacts. Once detached, the Brella is put away. Each shot uses 10% of the ink tank, can fire 3 shots before detaching the Brella.
Up Special – Super Jump, functions identically to Inkling’s.
Down Special – Splatling. The Octoling pulls out a Splatling and begins charging it by holding down the button. When the button is released, the Splatling fires forward a stream of ink. This can be slightly angled and does a ton of damage/inkage (at full charge and if all shots connect). However, its very laggy once the button is released. The Octoling can move around very slowly while firing, and perform short hops. Depletes around 30% of the ink tank.Neutral Attack/Jab – Identical to Inkling’s. Not much to say here. Depletes ink at same rate as Inkling's.
Dash Attack – Dualie Roll. The Octoling jumps out of the ink they were dashing in and performs a quick roll forward using the Dualies which does some damage and knockback. If the button is held afterwards, the Octoling will stop in place and fire the Dualies forward a bit, inking opponents. The initial hit of the roll launches the opponent at an angle so that they will usually be hit with the follow up shots afterwards, unless they are at higher damage, in which case the move’s knockback increases and can set up for edgeguards with the follow-up shots and kills near a ledge. The control stick can also be tilted forward or backward to perform another roll in that direction. The second roll does far less knockback and damage though, and is better used as a quick way to escape an attack if your first roll didn’t connect. Each roll consumes 10% of the ink tank, and the shooting of the Dualies afterward consumes 5%.
Up Smash – The Octoling charges up and fires the Rainmaker directly upwards. The blast resembles that of Splatoon 2, and doesn’t travel too far up, but has a pretty good blast radius and pulls nearby opponents in slightly. The attack does a lot of damage/inkage/knockback, doing more the closer the opponent is to the center of the blast, but in return its very laggy. Depletes 5-20% of the ink tank based on the charge level.
Side Smash – Charger. The Octoling lines up a Charger shot, which increases in range as it is held. The tip of the shot has a sweet spot, and a reticle from the series is shown at the sweet spot along with a line indicator, like in Splatoon 2. However, the farther away an opponent is, the less inked they will be from the shot, though damage and knockback increase with range. Depletes 5-20% of the ink tank depending on charge level.
Down Smash – Ink Mine. The Octoling charges and places an Ink Mine on the ground, which immediately explodes if there are enemies within the proximity. If no enemies are present, the Ink Mine will stay down for 5 seconds before exploding, regardless of enemy proximity. Deals a moderate amount of inkage, knockback, and damage. The closer the opponent is to the center of the proximity, the higher damage/knockback/inkage. Depletes 5-20% of the ink tank based on charge level.
Up Tilt – Octobrush. The Octoling swipes the Octobrush above itself quickly. Good for juggling and can be used in quick succession with low knockback, but it isn’t out for all that long. Each swing depletes 5% of the ink tank.
Side Tilt – Identical to Inkling’s.
Down Tilt – The Octoling performs a quick swipe in front of itself, aimed at the ground, with the Octobrush. Does light knockback, damage, and inkage. Can be used repeatedly in quick succession, but the area it hits isn’t all that large. Each swing depletes 5% of the ink tank.Neutral Air – A quick flip spin while shooting ink with the Dualies mid-air. Think Joker’s aerial spin with his gun. Does low inkage and knockback with moderate damage. Depletes 10% of the ink tank.
Forward Air – Burst Bomb. A quickly thrown Burst Bomb (because they’re my favorite) that travels a short distance forward before exploding for moderate damage and knockback but low inkage. Depletes 10% of the ink tank.
Back Air – Implements the Splat Brella, which is swung behind the Octoling in a similar animation to Villager’s side tilt. This also fires a short burst of ink at point blank range, and as such has quite a bit of knockback if the shot hits and pushes Octoling forward a bit. Depletes 15% of the ink tank.
Up Air – Identical to Inkling’s.
Down Air – Functions identically to Inkling’s, except it is performed using the Rainmaker from the in-game mode of the same name. The animation also changes to the slamming down animation used in the mode, but has a similar hitbox and the same function/purpose as Inkling’s.Final Smash – Booyah Bomb. The Octoling rises into the background of the stage, charging a Booyah Bomb. The user can throw it immediately or charge it up for up to 4 seconds by hitting an attack button repeatedly. The user can then aim using a reticle, similar to Giga Bowser Punch, and throws the bomb at that part of the stage. The bomb flies there immediately and detonates with about the radius of a Magic Burst (maybe a bit smaller, I don’t know the exact radius of a maximum Magic Burst). The Octoling then lands back on the battlefield in the spot where the move was initiated.Some of these reference victory animations, as shown in the video:
Stage Entrance – The Octoling rides in from off screen on an Inkrail and lands.
Up Taunt – Charger victory animation Girl: 0:23 Boy: 1:23 (Since this is a taunt, the Octoling Girl and Boy may share the same animation rather than using their separate ones.)
Side Taunt – Octoling opens their free hand and shows a Golden Toothpick (if you know, you know). Octoling then closes their open hand into a fist and does a small fist bump and nod with a look of determination, akin to the animation they do when a Curling Bomb that they’ve used explodes.
Down Taunt – Octoling crouches down and smiles at the camera in a similar fashion to the “pose” they do during the final cutscene of Octo-Expansion before the credits roll.
Victory Theme - Either the "Test Passed!" theme or the theme that plays when acquiring one of the 4 thangs.
Victory Pose 1 – Dualies victory animation Girl: 0:50 Boy: 1:44
Victory Pose 2 – One of the 4 thangs is seen behind Octoling as they snap a photo with it. C.Q. Cumber is seen next to the Octoling/thang and the Octoling finishes by winking at the camera.
Victory Pose 3 – Brella victory animation Girl: 0:59 Boy: 1:53
Clap Animation – I don’t know how many of you guys have seen Octoling’s losing animations in Splatoon 2, but a good amount of them are a bit overdramatic/salty. So when an Octoling loses in Smash, they’ll definitely be glaring you down as they clap.
Costumes – There are 4 Octoling Girl and 4 Octoling Boy costumes. The default for each uses the Agent 8 outfit, while the rest use various costumes from in-game. Inkling already uses 8 different ink colors, and while Octoling’s first default costume would use the magenta colored ink as seen in most Octo-Expansion promo material, the other 7 would need to use other colors. I can’t really go through all the different possible colors still available, but here’s a link with a whole bunch of them, pick your favorites: https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/InkNils Statue – The final location of the Octo-Expansion. The stage works similarly to Delfino Plaza, starting on the floating platforms as provided by helicopters that Pearl and Marina bring in to rescue Agent 8 and Cap’n Cuttlefish. These platforms drop you off at various locations throughout the statue, each offering a unique layout. Occasionally, Hyper Bombs will fly in on to the statue parts of the stage, and can be detonated upon hitting them. Once the stage is covered in ink from the Hyper Bombs, characters will be taken off the statue as the background plays out the rest of the events from the game. Afterwards, the statue begins to sink and players stay on the helicopter platforms until the statue rises again inexplicably to repeat the cycle.
Other ideas I won’t flesh out as much include using the Deepsea Metro (going to a few select stations), Shifty Station (has 3-5 variations based on Shifty Stations from in-game), or any number of online stages. Point is, there’s a lot of options.Fly Octo Fly, Spicy Calamari Inkantation, Nasty Majesty, Battery Full, Lookin’ Fresh (If you can make EarthBound’s shop theme work, you can do Splatoon’s), Color Pulse, City of Color, Fins and Fiddles, 4 additional tracks. Could be from the Octo-Expansion campaign or other battle music.
Octoling Girl (Fighter Spirit), Octoling Boy (Fighter Spirit), Commander Tartar, C.Q. Cumber, Iso Padre, Mr. Grizz, Salmonids, 6 enemy characters, either from Splatoon campaigns or Salmon Run bosses, can reuse current Splatoon Spirits if need be.
Well... for the first thing, at the very least that page didn’t exist during FP1’s run right? Or... nobody bothered to check. Rip. We’re in the dark till we see what that’s about
ROBnWatch
back to the Veemos, for alts I was thinking at least one pair of splatfest colors. Chaos Gold and Order Silver are a MUST
Talking about Vergeben, it's funny how the guy decided to somehow keep the biggest surprises to himself.
