Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Louie G.]

Arle is one of those characters who'd probably be in Smash by now if Nintendo didn't care to some extent about catering to the West.

While she does have a very, VERY small presence outside Japan, I don't know if it's enough for Nintendo to choose her over one of the countless third-parties who are better known worldwide. She could get in, and I'm not implying she can't. I just feel like it'll be an uphill battle. Even when we look exclusively at Sega reps, I feel like a second Sonic or Persona character would be more likely.

As of now I do think a second Sonic character is more profitable for Nintendo in general - Arle is someone who I imagine would have an easier time squeezing into base game, although I've always mostly banked on her being more in the Terry camp of "big influence on their genre, low notoriety" in the west. My hopes aren't particularly high but there's still an opportunity there.

Granted I think "very VERY small" is overdoing it a bit. I do think Puyo falls a little short in the west compared to Sonic (duh) / Persona / Yakuza, I'm not ignorant to that fact... but it's seen some pretty decent success lately as more games have been releasing stateside, more of its games have been made readily available and Sega themselves have been doing a lot more to establish Puyo as a more prominent brand worldwide. Like I alluded to before I wouldn't say it's a whole lot smaller than Fatal Fury / King of Fighters in the grand scheme of things - most people are at least familiar with "Puyo Puyo" on a surface level if not Arle herself.

 

[N3ON]

As with most rules that have been brought up in the past such as they have to have Nintendo History, Spirits Disconfirm, we can’t get more than 2 from the same company, we can’t get more than 1 from the same series, and we can’t get one from the same series that isn’t an echo, just because it has yet to happen doesn’t mean it cannot happen. And in this instance it HAS already happened which you mention above in the SNK and Grant Kirkhope circle. However there are also interviews such as the Doom Slayer one where there’s complete transparency where that character can ALMOST be ruled out but even not completely because we know there could be misdirection. We don’t know because each interview is different and taking what they say at face value is much easier and safer than taking a wait and see approach.

Right, I didn't say it hasn't happened, I said it's a rare occurrence. It's like the fallacy of once K. Rool got in and people thought "irrelevance" was meaningless. It's still a thing, it's just that some characters can overcome that hindrance.

Some statements will be false. But the vast majority aren't. Some mean nothing either way, like this Arle one, but some do have a claim within them. And nine times out of ten, that claim is genuine. That one out of ten is enough to not entirely rule the character out, but the nine should, in my opinion, be enough to think less of their chances.

Of course if I were betting then I’d bet against EVERY character because let’s face it every character is much more likely to NOT happen than to happen because the sheer amount of characters that are possible compared to the spots we have left. Every character has about a 2% chance of happening when there’s at least a hundred candidates and 2 spots left. So whether or not we take interviews at face value or not you’re much better off to bet against a character. Which honestly is fine because anyone who does that is much more likely to be correct and being correct feels good but that doesn’t necessarily mean that there’s an impossibility of a character happening because they were mentioned in an interview. Because at this point in this fandom if a character is mentioned in regards to Smash by a person of a company it’s an instant death nail for them. Which to me is kind of baffling since, more often than not, characters that are considered “never evers” for self indulgent reasons are the ones that end up slipping out of speculation and end up making it in.

I agree it's prudent to bet against characters, and people tend to see me do that. I think it's wiser to err on the side of exclusion until proven otherwise. But that doesn't preclude some belief of how likely you believe that possible inclusion to be, and I think if you receive inauspicious statements, that's fair cause to think less of a character's chances.

I didn't say these characters were now impossible. It's not black and white until there's tangible proof. I just don't think the statements wherein they are claimed to be excluded are better off disregarding, because most often that's the truth. I think the statements are worthwhile to be treated as probable, even with the slight chance of being wrong. Especially because being wrong in this context isn't inherently "bad".

So yes, I think it's salient to believe characters with statements against them are fairly unlikely. And unlikely characters tend to be dropped from regular discussion and fall out of the general zeitgeist. But I didn't suggest to rule them out completely.

 

[Technomage]

New topic I'd like to discuss: Alternate costume DLCs for non-Mii characters.

What alts would you want as DLC? Here's my list:

Dragon Kazooie, Blocky Banjo-Kazooie
Wedding Tuxedo
Bart Lemming disguise from the F-Zero anime
Cloudette disguise
Boxing gloves from Punch-Out!!
Assault outfit
Assault outfit
Twilight Princess outfit, Demise
Sonia (Solo's female counterpart)
Color scheme based on Batman's Joker (complete with white skin, red lips, green hair, and green jacket)
Gerudo Vai armor, CD-i color scheme
Headgear, Brawl design
Mr. L costume
Mario Sunshine clothes (including the sunglasses and Hawaiian shirt)
Toga from the first game
Bunnygirl costume
Helmetless, Bad Box Art Color Scheme
Power Armor from the anime
Biker suit, soccer uniform, Shadow Queen Peach
Biker suit, soccer uniform
Promoted Tactician outfit (both genders)
Winter garb from that New Year's postcard from 2005
Biker suit
Early SF5 design (you know, the one with the beard, longer hair, and bandage-shirt)
SF5 design
Armor from Simon's Quest, incarnation from Castlevania Judgment
Symphony of the Night design
Old Snake
Unlockable racing suit from Sonic Adventure 2 Battle
Fatal Cutie form
Vampire Wario
Assault outfit
Justin Bailey outfit (not just the color changes)

Speaking of DLC costumes, why hasn't Smash done any of that for the non-Mii characters?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Right, I didn't say it hasn't happened, I said it's a rare occurrence. It's like the fallacy of once K. Rool got in and people thought "irrelevance" was meaningless. It's still a thing, it's just that some characters can overcome that hindrance.

Some statements will be false. But the vast majority aren't. Some mean nothing either way, like this Arle one, but some do have a claim within them. And nine times out of ten, that claim is genuine. That one out of ten is enough to not entirely rule the character out, but the nine should, in my opinion, be enough to think less of their chances.


I agree it's prudent to bet against characters, and people tend to see me do that. I think it's wiser to err on the side of exclusion until proven otherwise. But that doesn't preclude some belief of how likely you believe that possible inclusion to be, and I think if you receive inauspicious statements, that's fair cause to think less of a character's chances.

I didn't say these characters were now impossible. It's not black and white until there's tangible proof. I just don't think the statements wherein they are claimed to be excluded are better off disregarding, because most often that's the truth. I think the statements are worthwhile to be treated as probable, even with the slight chance of being wrong. Especially because being wrong in this context isn't inherently "bad".

So yes, I think it's salient to believe characters with statements against them are fairly unlikely. And unlikely characters tend to be dropped from regular discussion and fall out of the general zeitgeist. But I didn't suggest to rule them out completely.

Yeah I’m in agreement but this whole speculation cycle has been wrought with jumping towards disconfirms and being right as a priority than it has been being excited for the possibility of characters that people want and I’ve been pretty shocked by that. Not that it didn’t happen in Smash 4 speculation but this one seems particularly indulgent with character disconfirms.

 

[Cosmic77]

As of now I do think a second Sonic character is more profitable for Nintendo in general - Arle is someone who I imagine would have an easier time squeezing into base game, although I've always mostly banked on her being more in the Terry camp of "big influence on their genre, low notoriety" in the west. My hopes aren't particularly high but there's still an opportunity there.

Granted I think "very VERY small" is overdoing it a bit. I do think Puyo falls a little short in the west compared to Sonic (duh) / Persona / Yakuza, I'm not ignorant to that fact... but it's seen some pretty decent success lately as more games have been releasing stateside, more of its games have been made readily available and Sega themselves have been doing a lot more to establish Puyo as a more prominent brand worldwide. Like I alluded to before I wouldn't say it's a whole lot smaller than Fatal Fury / King of Fighters in the grand scheme of things - most people are at least familiar with "Puyo Puyo" on a surface level if not Arle herself.

Puyo Puyo isn't as well known worldwide as most of the existing third-parties, and that's where I'm coming from. Yeah, every now and then you'll get a Terry character who's on the lesser known side of the spectrum, but those characters are vastly outnumbered by the Sonics and the Clouds and the Steves — characters who are recognizable regardless of where you are in the world.

Like I said, Arle could happen. Compared to other options though, I don't know. The case for Puyo Puyo doesn't seem as compelling as the franchises that've become established names across multiple regions.

 

[Louie G.]

Yeah I’m in agreement but this whole speculation cycle has been wrought with jumping towards disconfirms and being right as a priority than it has been being excited for the possibility of characters that people want and I’ve been pretty shocked by that. Not that it didn’t happen in Smash 4 speculation but this one seems particularly indulgent with character disconfirms.

I guess you can blame that on how competitive things have gotten with the limited space left and the realization that things are coming to a close, and the general dry spell of information that comes around this time after a new character's release. I kind of hate how eager people are to shoot things down when even a sliver of doubt reveals itself nowadays, although I don't think it's always unjust. People are just scrambling to find some sort of clarity.

Personally I do think Hayabusa is at least safe to count out, but I'm never not rolling my eyes at people fixating on vague nothing statements that come from someone having to awkwardly answer a sensitive question they weren't prepared to tackle.

You're right though, it wasn't nearly as bad during Smash 4. Ultimate speculation kinda just took anything that was annoying about Smash 4 speculation in general and amped it up to 100 IMO - with how wide the pool is we've kind of fallen back into dumb arguments about iconic and deserving etc that weren't as prevalent when we were already deep within the B and C tier Nintendo characters instead. Now when we get those characters people whine about them. Sorry for tangenting a bit but I really do miss those times where I could slap some rando Nintendo character on my roster and make a serious case for it.

 

[Arcanir]

The thing to remember about the interviews is that we only have two characters left for FP2 while there's a vast expanse of viable characters from within the industry, and even within the bubble of characters we often talk about we still have a fair chunk to sort through. Just going by the numbers most of the time that a developer says 'we haven't heard anything' about it, they're more then likely telling the truth because obviously we're not getting twenty characters in two slots.

Granted, some answers are non-committal and those shouldn't be treated as gospel, but in cases like Doomguy's interview where the developer was pretty direct in their statement dismissing them outright would be pure folly. As speculators it's smart to take in the full picture and analyze how a character's possibility of inclusion pans out from all the information, and while it's good to keep in mind that examples like Grant Kirkhope exist, we shouldn't rely on them either as they are still a very small group of exceptions in the grand scheme.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Is this the time of the year when I bring up Garena Free Fire?

Because my inner Waluigi would love the collective WTF if those devs got interviewed and they said that they'd want their character in Smash.

Huh, Fortnite mobile isn't even in that list? I would have thought it would be right below PUBG.

Regardless of who would even be our Free Fire rep, I know the brazilian fanbase would probably start to use the same... uh, monikers they use to describe Free Fire for that character.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I think a lot of raised hopes followed by crushing deconfirmations (see the Grinch Leak as the most infamous) has lead to a tendency by many to move towards safe skepticism about a lot of character possibilities. "Better to lean towards fighters not getting in than letting one's real excitement get brought down by the disappointing reality" is more common a sentiment than many of us would care to admit.

 

[N3ON]

Yeah I’m in agreement but this whole speculation cycle has been wrought with jumping towards disconfirms and being right as a priority than it has been being excited for the possibility of characters that people want and I’ve been pretty shocked by that. Not that it didn’t happen in Smash 4 speculation but this one seems particularly indulgent with character disconfirms.

True deconfirms are actually pretty rare. Technically things like spirit events and Mii costumes aren't true deconfirms since theoretically the character could still buck precedent and be playable. It's just that there are instances to believe a character is probably out of the running. And adverse statements from devs aren't to the same extreme as showing up as non-playable DLC, but it's definitely along the negative end of the spectrum.

I agree it wasn't to this extent with Smash 4, because Smash 4's DLC phase was much shorter, the scope of who would get added was smaller, and we got fewer statements from devs and supporting content during DLC (and even within that supporting content we lacked the precedent to definitively conclude whether Mii costume characters were out of the running - so that was its own debate). We also didn't have to deal with the "trophies can't be upgraded" for very long because immediately we got Mewtwo and then Lucas.

Ultimate's wider reach and longer tail-end have given a lot more opportunities for presumed deconfirmations.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

About the empty version of the ASC, it's more likely than not that the spirit team just copy pasted images they could find from google and they didn't pay much attention to the details. We even already have an example of a spirit that they copy pasted without knowing that it's an edited version.

Same. I always felt it was what they meant to be, being the full capsule, but just didn't do enough research on that bit. They got Ness' Dad right, but they are only human.

Now, that doesn't mean it's a great option to represent Porky either. But it is a logical one. EarthBound/Mother is all about very silly jokes, and they captured that well despite having some simple errors.

It's worth noting a separate team(not Sakurai) worked on the spirits by default(though how much he influenced them later is unknown. Obviously he had to go over any copyright issues for third parties, but that's all that's required). So that means that unlike Sakurai, what research they did was likely bias-based. They got a Metal Gear spirit right(which was a terrible joke about a woman having a bomb in her), but made one or possibly two EarthBound errors. We don't know for sure if the ASC is actually correct or an error, unlike Masked Man. We may never even know. It's probably a low priority thought, especially as the Mother series is 100% finished(a part of why I doubt it's going to ever get another character. However, if it hits NSO SNES, I do think a spirit event is possible. We could get the other ASC or a proper Porky spirit depicting his form from Brawl). Speaking of, my guess is he wasn't returned as a boss is because Mother is finished, so there's nothing to promote. Spirits were good enough, and returning other things like stages/music as is.

Porky is still easily my favorite next Mother option, though. He's hard to imagine to work well as playable in the mech, but that's cause it's quite a bit different from mechs like Eggman's. Nothing is impossible to make work, but that doesn't mean it's easy. And that's okay, heh~

 

[Ivander]

New topic I'd like to discuss: Alternate costume DLCs for non-Mii characters.

What alts would you want as DLC?

:Wedding Bowser
: Shinra Grunt outfit
: Exalt outfit
: Exalt outfit
: Robot Ness
: Castlevania Chronicles look
: Symphony of the Night outfit
: His Pac-Land Hat or that Super Pac-Man outfit from Pac-Man 2.

 

[Technomage]

:Wedding Bowser
: Shinra Grunt outfit
: Exalt outfit
: Exalt outfit
: Robot Ness
: Castlevania Chronicles look
: Symphony of the Night outfit
: His Pac-Land Hat or that Super Pac-Man outfit from Pac-Man 2.

Ah, I had Bowser's wedding tux in mind, but then I forgot about it before posting my comment. ^^;

Gonna go edit it in now.

 

[TheLamerGamer]

New topic I'd like to discuss: Alternate costume DLCs for non-Mii characters.

What alts would you want as DLC? Here's my list:

Dragon Kazooie, Blocky Banjo-Kazooie
Bart Lemming disguise from the F-Zero anime
Cloudette disguise
Boxing gloves from Punch-Out!!
Assault outfit
Assault outfit
Twilight Princess outfit, Demise
Sonia (Solo's female counterpart)
Color scheme based on Batman's Joker (complete with white skin, red lips, green hair, and green jacket)
Gerudo Vai armor, CD-i color scheme
Headgear, Brawl design
Mr. L costume
Mario Sunshine clothes (including the sunglasses and Hawaiian shirt)
Toga from the first game
Helmetless
Power Armor from the anime
Biker suit, soccer uniform, Shadow Queen Peach
Biker suit, soccer uniform
Promoted Tactician outfit (both genders)
Winter garb from that New Year's postcard from 2005
Biker suit
Early SF5 design (you know, the one with the beard, longer hair, and bandage-shirt)
SF5 design
Armor from Simon's Quest, incarnation from Castlevania Judgment
Symphony of the Night design
Old Snake
Unlockable racing suit from Sonic Adventure 2 Battle
Fatal Cutie form
Vampire Wario
Assault outfit
Justin Bailey outfit (not just the color changes)

Speaking of DLC costumes, why hasn't Smash done any of that for the non-Mii characters?

I'd want Garou Terry, Samus Returns Samus and Mr L Luigi.

But more than anything, I want Persona 2 Innocent Sin Joker and Persona 2 Eternal Punishment Joker for... Joker. Like, seriously, the designs are amazing, especially Innocent Sin. Just look at him.

I don't know how well it would work, because they all use different weapons and have different personas, but a model swap for Joker and Arsene would be really cool.

 

[SKX31]

Speaking of DLC costumes, why hasn't Smash done any of that for the non-Mii characters?

It's a complete mystery, could be anything from them thinking that 8 colors is all a character needs, them not wanting to deal with possible costume-related bugs etc. Of course, spitballing here.

Still:

: Mario Strikers outfit,
: Kingdom Hearts outfit
: If not playable, Octolings.
: + voicepack. Melee Fox is best Fox (voice) and I'd gladly accept the return of "TORIYAH!".
: ( )
:
: Fusion Suit (great timing, I realize).
: Hyrule Warriors, Twilight Princess.
: Might be the best fit for NES Link (despite never learning the Spin) / ALTTP Link.
: Conductor Outfit.

And finally, :

Yes, my Melee fanboyism is showing.

 

[cashregister9]

New topic I'd like to discuss: Alternate costume DLCs for non-Mii characters.

What alts would you want as DLC? Here's my list:

Dragon Kazooie, Blocky Banjo-Kazooie
Wedding Tuxedo
Bart Lemming disguise from the F-Zero anime
Cloudette disguise
Boxing gloves from Punch-Out!!
Assault outfit
Assault outfit
Twilight Princess outfit, Demise
Sonia (Solo's female counterpart)
Color scheme based on Batman's Joker (complete with white skin, red lips, green hair, and green jacket)
Gerudo Vai armor, CD-i color scheme
Headgear, Brawl design
Mr. L costume
Mario Sunshine clothes (including the sunglasses and Hawaiian shirt)
Toga from the first game
Helmetless
Power Armor from the anime
Biker suit, soccer uniform, Shadow Queen Peach
Biker suit, soccer uniform
Promoted Tactician outfit (both genders)
Winter garb from that New Year's postcard from 2005
Biker suit
Early SF5 design (you know, the one with the beard, longer hair, and bandage-shirt)
SF5 design
Armor from Simon's Quest, incarnation from Castlevania Judgment
Symphony of the Night design
Old Snake
Unlockable racing suit from Sonic Adventure 2 Battle
Fatal Cutie form
Vampire Wario
Assault outfit
Justin Bailey outfit (not just the color changes)

Speaking of DLC costumes, why hasn't Smash done any of that for the non-Mii characters?

I have this massive list that is 2 alts I want for every character

here it is

Spoiler: LONG!

Banjo & Kazooie:

• Conker color scheme for Banjo and Berry color scheme for Kazooie
• Banjo as the colors of Nintendo and Kazooie as the colors of Microsoft that can also resemble Dragon Kazooie

Bayonetta:

- Rosa
- A color scheme resembling Balder

Bowser:

-Dry Bowser
-Wedding Bowser

Bowser Jr.:

-Boom Boom
-Pom Pom

Byleth:

• Elightened One M
• Enlightened One F

Captain Falcon

• Retro Captain Falcon
• Black Shadow

Chrom

• Great Lord Chrom
• Tokyo Mirage Sessions Outfit

Cloud

-Dress
-Kingdom Hearts Costume

Corrin

• Adrift M Corrin
• Adrift F Corrin

Daisy

• Daisy's Design From Mario Hoops 3 on 3
• Daisy's Design From Super Mario Strikers

Dark Pit

• A Color Scheme Resembling Pyrrhon
• A Color Scheme Resembling Thanatos

Dark Samus

• Kanden Colors
• Rundas Colors

Diddy Kong

• DK Junior Outfit
• Dixie Kong

Donkey Kong

• Funky Kong
• Boxer DK

Dr. Mario

• Dr. Luigi
• A color scheme resembling the 3 Original viruses and the 2 new

Duck Hunt

• A Toy Poodle to represent The Current Nintendog
• A color scheme resembling Wolf Link and Midna

Falco

- Color Scheme resembling Faye Spaniel
- Old Falco

Fox

• Marcus's Color Scheme
• James McCloud

Ganondorf

• Hyrule Warriors Ganondorf
• Phantom Ganon Color Scheme

Greninja

-A Proper Shiny Greninja
-A Color Scheme Resembling Froakie

Ice Climbers

• Black parkas and Blue gloves to resemble the box art
• Darker parkas with the spirtes of Nana And Popo on the back

Hero

- Female Erdrick
- Sofia

Ike

• Brave Ike
• Legendary Ike

Incineroar

• Color scheme resembling Kukui
• Color Scheme Resembling Mina

Inkling

• Female Octoling in the Agent 8 Gear, Red Ink
• Male Octoling with the Golden Hairpin, Octo Layer LS and Friendship Bracelet, Gold Ink

Isabelle

-Full Digby Colors
- Isabelle's Casual Outfit

Jigglypuff

• Shiny Jigglypuff
• Jigglypuff with Alisters Mask and Hair

Joker

- Tatsuya's Color scheme
- Joker's Design from Dancing Star Night

Ken

- Ken's Design from Street Fighter 5
- Battle Outfit 1 from Street Fighter 5

King Dedede

• Masked Dedede
• Buff Dedede

King K. Rool

• K.Rool in his boxing uniform from DK 64
• Kolor scheme resembling Lord Fredrik

Kirby

- Shadow Kirby
- KIRB

Link

• Gerudo Outfit
• Snowquill Outfit

Little Mac

- Full Super Punch Out Alt
- Fat Little Mac

Lucario

• Shiny Lucario
• Red Lucario

Lucas

• A color scheme Resembling Hinawa and a shirt with her face
• A color scheme resembling Porky with the Absolutely Safe Capsule on the shirt

Lucina

• Bunny Lucina
• Brave Lucina

Luigi

• Gooigi
• Mr.L

Mario

• Fire Mario
• Summer Mario

Marth

• PANTSLESS
• Hero King Marth

Mega Man

• Helmetless Megaman
• Helmetless Colorscheme resembling Roll

Meta Knight

• Morpho Knight
• Meta Knights Color Scheme From Kirby's Adventure

Mewtwo

• Shiny Mewtwo
• Shadow Mewtwo

Min Min

• Colors representing Dr. Coyle
• Colors representing Lola Pop

Mr. Game & Watch

• Cardboard Game & Watch
• Camo Game & Watch

Ness

• Ninten
• Pajama Ness

Olimar:

-Louie
-Brittany

Pac-Man

- Pac Man with Hat From Pac Land
- Toc Man

Palutena

• Actual Medusa
• Pseudo Palutena

Peach

• Shadow Queen From Paper Mario
• Peaches Design From Mario Golf

Pichu

• Shiny Pichu
• Pichu with The Sword and Shield Male Trainers Hat

Pikachu

• Detective Pikachu
• Sword and Shield Female Trainer Hat

Piranha Plant

-Blue Piranha Creeper colors
-Green Lipped Piranha Plant colors

Pit

• Pit with the 3 Sacred Treasures
• Pits Original Design

Pokemon Trainer

• A Color scheme resembling Victor from Sword And Shield (The Pokemon Vaguely Resemble The Galar Trio)
• A Color scheme resembling Elaine from Lets go Pikachu and evee (The Pokemon Are Their Shiny Forms)

Pyra/Mythra

-Pyra in her Fox Hoodie and Mythra in her Swimsuit
-Colors Resembling Rex & Addam

R.O.B.

• The Navcom From Startropics
• A color Scheme Resembling The Nintendo Switch

Robin

• Grandmaster Male Robin
• Grima Female Robin

Rosalina

• A color scheme resembling Pauline
• A Color scheme resembling Kammela

Roy

• Legendary Roy
• Brave Roy

Richter

• PSP Richter
• Casual richter from Rondo Of Blood

Ridley

• Zebesian Color Scheme
• Mother Brain Color Scheme

Ryu

• Evil Ryu
• Hot Ryu

Samus

• Sylux Colors
• PED Suit

Sephiroth

-Kingdom Hearts
-Genesis Colors

Sheik

• Stealth Set dyed White
• Stealth Set dyed Peach

Shulk

• Zanza
• Future Connected

Simon Belmont

• Castlevania Chronicles Simon
• Castlevania Judgement Simon

Solid Snake

• Venom Snake
• Snake From MGS 4

Sonic

• Classic Sonic
• Metal Sonic

Steve

• Skeleton
• Jesse

Terry

-Fatal Cutie
-Garou MOTW Outfit

Toon Link

• Pajama Toon Link
• Conductor Toon Link

Villager

• The Female Villager that appears on the boxart of Happy Home Designer
• The Default Villager in Mario Kart 8

Wario

• Wario's D.I.Y. Design
• Red Monochrome Plumber Wario to resemble VB Warioland

Wii Fit Trainer

• Purple Female
• Purple Male

Wolf

• a color scheme that resembles General Scales
• a color scheme resembling Wolf's design from Brawl

Yoshi

• Black Yoshi
• Boshi

Young Link

• Zelda 1 Color scheme
• Fierce Diety

Zelda

• Hilda
• Tetra Color Scheme

Zero Suit Samus

• ZSS design from metroid 1 with green hair and leotard
• White version of the 8th alt

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

New topic I'd like to discuss: Alternate costume DLCs for non-Mii characters.


Speaking of DLC costumes, why hasn't Smash done any of that for the non-Mii characters?

To get away from my usual answers a bit:

the samurai outfit
climbing gear
the generic multiplayer guys
PJs
his dissidia costume that's based on Amano's artwork

There's some other obvious stuff like Toon Link outfits and FE advanced classes, but I always say those when the topic comes up.

 

[TheLamerGamer]

Joker

- Tatsuya's Color scheme

YES. Even as an alt colour, I'd be over the moon if he was in the game in any way. (I'd even take a spirit (Please Sakurai))

 

[Guynamednelson]

High hopes

You're going to need EXTREMELY high hopes considering Smash's trend of lowkey finales.

 

[Technomage]

I have this massive list that is 2 alts I want for every character

here it is

Spoiler: LONG!

Banjo & Kazooie:

• Conker color scheme for Banjo and Berry color scheme for Kazooie
• Banjo as the colors of Nintendo and Kazooie as the colors of Microsoft that can also resemble Dragon Kazooie

Bayonetta:

- Rosa
- A color scheme resembling Balder

Bowser:

-Dry Bowser
-Wedding Bowser

Bowser Jr.:

-Boom Boom
-Pom Pom

Byleth:

• Elightened One M
• Enlightened One F

Captain Falcon

• Retro Captain Falcon
• Black Shadow

Chrom

• Great Lord Chrom
• Tokyo Mirage Sessions Outfit

Cloud

-Dress
-Kingdom Hearts Costume

Corrin

• Adrift M Corrin
• Adrift F Corrin

Daisy

• Daisy's Design From Mario Hoops 3 on 3
• Daisy's Design From Super Mario Strikers

Dark Pit

• A Color Scheme Resembling Pyrrhon
• A Color Scheme Resembling Thanatos

Dark Samus

• Kanden Colors
• Rundas Colors

Diddy Kong

• DK Junior Outfit
• Dixie Kong

Donkey Kong

• Funky Kong
• Boxer DK

Dr. Mario

• Dr. Luigi
• A color scheme resembling the 3 Original viruses and the 2 new

Duck Hunt

• A Toy Poodle to represent The Current Nintendog
• A color scheme resembling Wolf Link and Midna

Falco

- Color Scheme resembling Faye Spaniel
- Old Falco

Fox

• Marcus's Color Scheme
• James McCloud

Ganondorf

• Hyrule Warriors Ganondorf
• Phantom Ganon Color Scheme

Greninja

-A Proper Shiny Greninja
-A Color Scheme Resembling Froakie

Ice Climbers

• Black parkas and Blue gloves to resemble the box art
• Darker parkas with the spirtes of Nana And Popo on the back

Hero

- Female Erdrick
- Sofia

Ike

• Brave Ike
• Legendary Ike

Incineroar

• Color scheme resembling Kukui
• Color Scheme Resembling Mina

Inkling

• Female Octoling in the Agent 8 Gear, Red Ink
• Male Octoling with the Golden Hairpin, Octo Layer LS and Friendship Bracelet, Gold Ink

Isabelle

-Full Digby Colors
- Isabelle's Casual Outfit

Jigglypuff

• Shiny Jigglypuff
• Jigglypuff with Alisters Mask and Hair

Joker

- Tatsuya's Color scheme
- Joker's Design from Dancing Star Night

Ken

- Ken's Design from Street Fighter 5
- Battle Outfit 1 from Street Fighter 5

King Dedede

• Masked Dedede
• Buff Dedede

King K. Rool

• K.Rool in his boxing uniform from DK 64
• Kolor scheme resembling Lord Fredrik

Kirby

- Shadow Kirby
- KIRB

Link

• Gerudo Outfit
• Snowquill Outfit

Little Mac

- Full Super Punch Out Alt
- Fat Little Mac

Lucario

• Shiny Lucario
• Red Lucario

Lucas

• A color scheme Resembling Hinawa and a shirt with her face
• A color scheme resembling Porky with the Absolutely Safe Capsule on the shirt

Lucina

• Bunny Lucina
• Brave Lucina

Luigi

• Gooigi
• Mr.L

Mario

• Fire Mario
• Summer Mario

Marth

• PANTSLESS
• Hero King Marth

Mega Man

• Helmetless Megaman
• Helmetless Colorscheme resembling Roll

Meta Knight

• Morpho Knight
• Meta Knights Color Scheme From Kirby's Adventure

Mewtwo

• Shiny Mewtwo
• Shadow Mewtwo

Min Min

• Colors representing Dr. Coyle
• Colors representing Lola Pop

Mr. Game & Watch

• Cardboard Game & Watch
• Camo Game & Watch

Ness

• Ninten
• Pajama Ness

Olimar:

-Louie
-Brittany

Pac-Man

- Pac Man with Hat From Pac Land
- Toc Man

Palutena

• Actual Medusa
• Pseudo Palutena

Peach

• Shadow Queen From Paper Mario
• Peaches Design From Mario Golf

Pichu

• Shiny Pichu
• Pichu with The Sword and Shield Male Trainers Hat

Pikachu

• Detective Pikachu
• Sword and Shield Female Trainer Hat

Piranha Plant

-Blue Piranha Creeper colors
-Green Lipped Piranha Plant colors

Pit

• Pit with the 3 Sacred Treasures
• Pits Original Design

Pokemon Trainer

• A Color scheme resembling Victor from Sword And Shield (The Pokemon Vaguely Resemble The Galar Trio)
• A Color scheme resembling Elaine from Lets go Pikachu and evee (The Pokemon Are Their Shiny Forms)

Pyra/Mythra

-Pyra in her Fox Hoodie and Mythra in her Swimsuit
-Colors Resembling Rex & Addam

R.O.B.

• The Navcom From Startropics
• A color Scheme Resembling The Nintendo Switch

Robin

• Grandmaster Male Robin
• Grima Female Robin

Rosalina

• A color scheme resembling Pauline
• A Color scheme resembling Kammela

Roy

• Legendary Roy
• Brave Roy

Richter

• PSP Richter
• Casual richter from Rondo Of Blood

Ridley

• Zebesian Color Scheme
• Mother Brain Color Scheme

Ryu

• Evil Ryu
• Hot Ryu

Samus

• Sylux Colors
• PED Suit

Sephiroth

-Kingdom Hearts
-Genesis Colors

Sheik

• Stealth Set dyed White
• Stealth Set dyed Peach

Shulk

• Zanza
• Future Connected

Simon Belmont

• Castlevania Chronicles Simon
• Castlevania Judgement Simon

Solid Snake

• Venom Snake
• Snake From MGS 4

Sonic

• Classic Sonic
• Metal Sonic

Steve

• Skeleton
• Jesse

Terry

-Fatal Cutie
-Garou MOTW Outfit

Toon Link

• Pajama Toon Link
• Conductor Toon Link

Villager

• The Female Villager that appears on the boxart of Happy Home Designer
• The Default Villager in Mario Kart 8

Wario

• Wario's D.I.Y. Design
• Red Monochrome Plumber Wario to resemble VB Warioland

Wii Fit Trainer

• Purple Female
• Purple Male

Wolf

• a color scheme that resembles General Scales
• a color scheme resembling Wolf's design from Brawl

Yoshi

• Black Yoshi
• Boshi

Young Link

• Zelda 1 Color scheme
• Fierce Diety

Zelda

• Hilda
• Tetra Color Scheme

Zero Suit Samus

• ZSS design from metroid 1 with green hair and leotard
• White version of the 8th alt

Oh, I'm starting to love Lucina's bunnygirl costume. Imma go back and add that, too. <3

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Hard to believe we’re likely only 2 months away from Ultimate being completely finished. It’s been a wild one for sure.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

Hard to believe we’re likely only 2 months away from Ultimate being completely finished. It’s been a wild one for sure.

Are you expecting the last character to drop in June, or just be announced? 'Cause that would be a fast turnaround if it's the former.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Are you expecting the last character to drop in June, or just be announced? 'Cause that would be a fast turnaround if it's the former.

Revealed. Not released. I’d be shocked if they both released in June.

 

[N3ON]

You're going to need EXTREMELY high hopes considering Smash's trend of lowkey finales.

Agreed, we'd be very lucky to just get one of those.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

Revealed. Not released. I’d be shocked if they both released in June.

Okay. I had a feeling, but sometimes reading this thread I feel like I'm in late May instead of mid-April, so I wanted to check.

 

[Speed Weed]

If Arle is deconfirmed then we're likely not getting another Sega character unless it's another Sonic rep.

you say that but just wait until we get OPA-OPA BAYBEEEEEEE

HE'S GETTING IN BOYS AND HE'S GONNA BE FRICKIN EPIC AND THEN AND THEN LIKE HE'S GONNA PULL A TERRY AND WE GET A BUNCH OF MUSIC FROM SEGA ARCADE GAMES AND WE GET MUSIC FROM **** LIKE DAYTONA AND OUTRUN AND SPACE HARRIER AND SUPER HANG-ON AND YEAHHHHHHHHHHH LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO BOIS HE'S GONNA BE A 10/10 INCLUSION LET'S GO LET'S ****ING GOOOOOOOOOO LET'S G-

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I just hope the last two are exciting for me because the only character I’ve had real affinity for this pass has been Sephiroth. I mean yeah I enjoyed and was glad that Min-Min and Pyra/Mythra got their second chance and Steve is great for a whole generation of gamers and just being an absolutely huge get for Smash. But Sephiroth’s the only one that got me genuinely excited.

That’s just me though. I’m sure this pass has made a lot of dreams come true and I’m very happy about that.

 

[cothero]

Someone else to keep an eye on is Ayumi Tachibani given the new game coming out, the fact to she was a character considered for 64 and Melee.

Ayumi retired as a video game character, nowadays she's a SmashBoards member and frequently posts interesting things as leaks and rumors.

 

[Ivander]

I have this massive list that is 2 alts I want for every character

here it is

Spoiler: LONG!

Banjo & Kazooie:

• Conker color scheme for Banjo and Berry color scheme for Kazooie
• Banjo as the colors of Nintendo and Kazooie as the colors of Microsoft that can also resemble Dragon Kazooie

Bayonetta:

- Rosa
- A color scheme resembling Balder

Bowser:

-Dry Bowser
-Wedding Bowser

Bowser Jr.:

-Boom Boom
-Pom Pom

Byleth:

• Elightened One M
• Enlightened One F

Captain Falcon

• Retro Captain Falcon
• Black Shadow

Chrom

• Great Lord Chrom
• Tokyo Mirage Sessions Outfit

Cloud

-Dress
-Kingdom Hearts Costume

Corrin

• Adrift M Corrin
• Adrift F Corrin

Daisy

• Daisy's Design From Mario Hoops 3 on 3
• Daisy's Design From Super Mario Strikers

Dark Pit

• A Color Scheme Resembling Pyrrhon
• A Color Scheme Resembling Thanatos

Dark Samus

• Kanden Colors
• Rundas Colors

Diddy Kong

• DK Junior Outfit
• Dixie Kong

Donkey Kong

• Funky Kong
• Boxer DK

Dr. Mario

• Dr. Luigi
• A color scheme resembling the 3 Original viruses and the 2 new

Duck Hunt

• A Toy Poodle to represent The Current Nintendog
• A color scheme resembling Wolf Link and Midna

Falco

- Color Scheme resembling Faye Spaniel
- Old Falco

Fox

• Marcus's Color Scheme
• James McCloud

Ganondorf

• Hyrule Warriors Ganondorf
• Phantom Ganon Color Scheme

Greninja

-A Proper Shiny Greninja
-A Color Scheme Resembling Froakie

Ice Climbers

• Black parkas and Blue gloves to resemble the box art
• Darker parkas with the spirtes of Nana And Popo on the back

Hero

- Female Erdrick
- Sofia

Ike

• Brave Ike
• Legendary Ike

Incineroar

• Color scheme resembling Kukui
• Color Scheme Resembling Mina

Inkling

• Female Octoling in the Agent 8 Gear, Red Ink
• Male Octoling with the Golden Hairpin, Octo Layer LS and Friendship Bracelet, Gold Ink

Isabelle

-Full Digby Colors
- Isabelle's Casual Outfit

Jigglypuff

• Shiny Jigglypuff
• Jigglypuff with Alisters Mask and Hair

Joker

- Tatsuya's Color scheme
- Joker's Design from Dancing Star Night

Ken

- Ken's Design from Street Fighter 5
- Battle Outfit 1 from Street Fighter 5

King Dedede

• Masked Dedede
• Buff Dedede

King K. Rool

• K.Rool in his boxing uniform from DK 64
• Kolor scheme resembling Lord Fredrik

Kirby

- Shadow Kirby
- KIRB

Link

• Gerudo Outfit
• Snowquill Outfit

Little Mac

- Full Super Punch Out Alt
- Fat Little Mac

Lucario

• Shiny Lucario
• Red Lucario

Lucas

• A color scheme Resembling Hinawa and a shirt with her face
• A color scheme resembling Porky with the Absolutely Safe Capsule on the shirt

Lucina

• Bunny Lucina
• Brave Lucina

Luigi

• Gooigi
• Mr.L

Mario

• Fire Mario
• Summer Mario

Marth

• PANTSLESS
• Hero King Marth

Mega Man

• Helmetless Megaman
• Helmetless Colorscheme resembling Roll

Meta Knight

• Morpho Knight
• Meta Knights Color Scheme From Kirby's Adventure

Mewtwo

• Shiny Mewtwo
• Shadow Mewtwo

Min Min

• Colors representing Dr. Coyle
• Colors representing Lola Pop

Mr. Game & Watch

• Cardboard Game & Watch
• Camo Game & Watch

Ness

• Ninten
• Pajama Ness

Olimar:

-Louie
-Brittany

Pac-Man

- Pac Man with Hat From Pac Land
- Toc Man

Palutena

• Actual Medusa
• Pseudo Palutena

Peach

• Shadow Queen From Paper Mario
• Peaches Design From Mario Golf

Pichu

• Shiny Pichu
• Pichu with The Sword and Shield Male Trainers Hat

Pikachu

• Detective Pikachu
• Sword and Shield Female Trainer Hat

Piranha Plant

-Blue Piranha Creeper colors
-Green Lipped Piranha Plant colors

Pit

• Pit with the 3 Sacred Treasures
• Pits Original Design

Pokemon Trainer

• A Color scheme resembling Victor from Sword And Shield (The Pokemon Vaguely Resemble The Galar Trio)
• A Color scheme resembling Elaine from Lets go Pikachu and evee (The Pokemon Are Their Shiny Forms)

Pyra/Mythra

-Pyra in her Fox Hoodie and Mythra in her Swimsuit
-Colors Resembling Rex & Addam

R.O.B.

• The Navcom From Startropics
• A color Scheme Resembling The Nintendo Switch

Robin

• Grandmaster Male Robin
• Grima Female Robin

Rosalina

• A color scheme resembling Pauline
• A Color scheme resembling Kammela

Roy

• Legendary Roy
• Brave Roy

Richter

• PSP Richter
• Casual richter from Rondo Of Blood

Ridley

• Zebesian Color Scheme
• Mother Brain Color Scheme

Ryu

• Evil Ryu
• Hot Ryu

Samus

• Sylux Colors
• PED Suit

Sephiroth

-Kingdom Hearts
-Genesis Colors

Sheik

• Stealth Set dyed White
• Stealth Set dyed Peach

Shulk

• Zanza
• Future Connected

Simon Belmont

• Castlevania Chronicles Simon
• Castlevania Judgement Simon

Solid Snake

• Venom Snake
• Snake From MGS 4

Sonic

• Classic Sonic
• Metal Sonic

Steve

• Skeleton
• Jesse

Terry

-Fatal Cutie
-Garou MOTW Outfit

Toon Link

• Pajama Toon Link
• Conductor Toon Link

Villager

• The Female Villager that appears on the boxart of Happy Home Designer
• The Default Villager in Mario Kart 8

Wario

• Wario's D.I.Y. Design
• Red Monochrome Plumber Wario to resemble VB Warioland

Wii Fit Trainer

• Purple Female
• Purple Male

Wolf

• a color scheme that resembles General Scales
• a color scheme resembling Wolf's design from Brawl

Yoshi

• Black Yoshi
• Boshi

Young Link

• Zelda 1 Color scheme
• Fierce Diety

Zelda

• Hilda
• Tetra Color Scheme

Zero Suit Samus

• ZSS design from metroid 1 with green hair and leotard
• White version of the 8th alt

You do realize that Legendary Ike is Radiant Dawn Ike, who is a costume for Ike, right?

 

[N3ON]

you say that but just wait until we get OPA-OPA BAYBEEEEEEE

HE'S GETTING IN BOYS AND HE'S GONNA BE FRICKIN EPIC AND THEN AND THEN LIKE HE'S GONNA PULL A TERRY AND WE GET A BUNCH OF MUSIC FROM SEGA ARCADE GAMES AND WE GET MUSIC FROM **** LIKE DAYTONA AND OUTRUN AND SPACE HARRIER AND SUPER HANG-ON AND YEAHHHHHHHHHHH LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO BOIS HE'S GONNA BE A 10/10 INCLUSION LET'S GO LET'S ****ING GOOOOOOOOOO LET'S G-

This is what happens when I get to my third coffee of the morning

 

[cashregister9]

you say that but just wait until we get OPA-OPA BAYBEEEEEEE

HE'S GETTING IN BOYS AND HE'S GONNA BE FRICKIN EPIC AND THEN AND THEN LIKE HE'S GONNA PULL A TERRY AND WE GET A BUNCH OF MUSIC FROM SEGA ARCADE GAMES AND WE GET MUSIC FROM **** LIKE DAYTONA AND OUTRUN AND SPACE HARRIER AND SUPER HANG-ON AND YEAHHHHHHHHHHH LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO BOIS HE'S GONNA BE A 10/10 INCLUSION LET'S GO LET'S ****ING GOOOOOOOOOO LET'S G-

There was that SEGA Popularity poll that had Opa-Opa in second after Sonic...

(I love that Song list idea but if it were to happen in reality I hope it would have a crumb of Geki Teikoku Kagekidan)

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I just hope the last two are exciting for me because the only character I’ve had real affinity for this pass has been Sephiroth. I mean yeah I enjoyed and was glad that Min-Min and Pyra/Mythra got their second chance and Steve is great for a whole generation of gamers and just being an absolutely huge get for Smash. But Sephiroth’s the only one that got me genuinely excited.

That’s just me though. I’m sure this pass has made a lot of dreams come true and I’m very happy about that.

Not for me, honestly. I love Sephiroth but that isnt who i want and havent gotten anyone I want

 

[cashregister9]

You do realize that Legendary Ike is Radiant Dawn Ike, who is a costume for Ike, right?

Legendary Ike has a bit more Armor and it's a different color

 

[N3ON]

I just hope the last two are exciting for me because the only character I’ve had real affinity for this pass has been Sephiroth. I mean yeah I enjoyed and was glad that Min-Min and Pyra/Mythra got their second chance and Steve is great for a whole generation of gamers and just being an absolutely huge get for Smash. But Sephiroth’s the only one that got me genuinely excited.

That’s just me though. I’m sure this pass has made a lot of dreams come true and I’m very happy about that.

Same for me. I notice that the pass so far has been 3/4 2010s. I don't think that skewing was done purposefully, but I'd like to see a wider spread with the last two considering how many of the most desired options come from the 90s and 00s.

 

[Pillow]

Same for me. I notice that the pass so far has been 3/4 2010s. I don't think that skewing was done purposefully, but I'd like to see a wider spread with the last two considering how many of the most desired options come from the 90s and 00s.

The 1st party characters are all relatively recent sure, but most of the 3rd party characters come from legacy franchises. Joker and the Luminary are from newer games, though they represent older series. The only one who is clearly representative of the current gaming generation is Steve.

 

[SKX31]

I just hope the last two are exciting for me because the only character I’ve had real affinity for this pass has been Sephiroth. I mean yeah I enjoyed and was glad that Min-Min and Pyra/Mythra got their second chance and Steve is great for a whole generation of gamers and just being an absolutely huge get for Smash. But Sephiroth’s the only one that got me genuinely excited.

That’s just me though. I’m sure this pass has made a lot of dreams come true and I’m very happy about that.

While I haven't gotten really anyone who's on my MW list, I don't mind that too much because each new character brings something new to the beautiful artform that Smash is:

 

[DanganZilla5]

I'm vouching for Puyo Puyo mainly because the series has gotten more successful in recent years thanks to its collaborations with Tetris, Sega pushing the series and trying to make it into an esport, and Nintendo showing interest in the series with them including the original Puyo Puyo in their online service instead of Kirby's Avalanche which was specifically made to appeal to western audiences. Puyo Puyo just makes a lot of sense to me and Arle is my top prediction for the last character. Other candidates being a Falcom rep, Ayumi Tachibana, Reimu, or a Pokemon.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Honestly my one gripe with Arle is how I don't see how the hell Puyo Chains can be implemented properly as the idea sounds too bizarre to work as simple stage control blocks that connect

 

[Ivander]

Legendary Ike has a bit more Armor and it's a different color

Oh, because it's Vanguard Ike and not Hero Ike.

Yeah, I forgot and just associated Legendary Ike with Radiant Dawn Ike rather than Hero Ike & Vanguard Ike.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

I mean if you wanted to go literally, Arle could literally be like Steve and stop playing Smash Bros to play a game of Puyo Puyo in its own little box but that feels even less involved in the active fight. I had an idea that was more abstract but I'd need some time to explain, time I don't have rn lol