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The thing is, the relationship with Nintendo isn't what's important. It's the history in gaming itself.
Quote and Shovel Knight are Indie Icons, but even then, Quote's a bigger icon imo, first indie and all
Not in the same form as the classic ones (Sonic, Ryu, Snake, Megaman, Pacman), indies are not too sucessful as the 3rd parties in Smash, not enough
Hence why I said Indie icons
Essentially my point is that. It's not timeless. I'm not saying it didn't do somethings well. But when you look at Shovel Knight, its a appeal is "Oh, its like NES games." And why would people like that. Because in the current market place, folks like games that look like old games. But Shovel Knight doesn't have the old game spirit, just the look. One red flag is the lack of lives. Lives mean you need to design obstacle courses rather than challenges. You have to think how the player will move through the level and how there health is. No lives mean you can add BS to levels, like instant death pits and enemies that knock you into them. The fact that levels are long is also telling because, with limited lives, it would be harder. Sean Malstrom didn't say Shovel Knight was hard, but annoying.
Again, he didn't say it was hard, just annoying. Long levels are a new thing, as retro games had shorter ones. Consider Sonic 3 and Knuckles which had some long levels. For comparison, the second level of Shovel Knight (Pridemore Keep) is about as long as the longest level in Sonic 3, Carnival Night. NES games, of course, had far shorter levels (look at Megaman and Mario games). Lives force you to design levels with longevity in mind. You can't throw instant death traps around like Shovel Knight does because all you'll do is eat up the player's lives. You have to think about how the player will progress through the entire game.SmashChu I think that interview is just bunk. He doesn't like the game because it has:
worse graphics
many checkpoints
high difficulty.
take out the checkpoints, add a life system and you pretty much get a retro game, and as someone who can't beat any of the 8-bit Mega Man games, or Super Mario Bros., it's not that hard. Difficult yes, but not what he has made it out to be. Also, your comparison to Undertale is unfair, as it was wasn't meant to be all out retro like Shovel Knight was.
EDIT: (clicks link cuz curiosity) Geez that final boss is creepy!
Relationships with the the company isn not what it takes to be included as a third party. There's other factors to consider. I feel the whole relationship thing is the smallest factor when choosing a third party. So why do this always end up being bought up? There are other third party characters who's been around much longer and have more of a legacy behind them that could turn heads if they were included in Smash.
Doesn't mean this cannot change. I wouldn't be against it..
Not to mention when it comes to Shantae who's been around much longer than Shovel Knight she still barely gets noticed by Nintendo. I feel with all that pushing Wayfoward did to get votes for the ballot, if Nintendo had yet to notice then I really don't think they will be noticed by them at all, and it's sad because Wayforward is a great company, if Shantae isn't playable at least let her be Mii costume or at least a trophy. While I didn't support the character I do think they deserve something even if it's small. It'll be better than nothing at all.
Nah I'm pretty sure Sakurai noticed in this case.
I doubt it, the only 3rd party costumes we have right now are Lloyd, Heihatchi, Akira and Jacky, all of which are owned by already represented companies. Adding a bunch of indie costumes would require a ton of legal work, I can see one, maybe two
A big & hard hitting & heavy type playstyle.
A grappler style character would be really cool
Wouldn't you know it? I have a hankering for the same kind of character. I wonder who could do the job...
Well this isn't in poor taste at all.Nintendo just released a new direct
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LEAVE ROY ALONE, YOU SHOULD BE GRATEFUL HE WAS ADDED YOU ********!
Pokemon Trainer, the OG avatar character and protagonist of Pokemon's main games, is the biggest, bar none, disappointment to the roster. The only thing more upsetting is when his importance to NINTENDO and POP CUTURE as a whole are diminished by fanboyism.
I wish Medusa had been added as a clone in the first place, instead of Dark Pit. Not as if Palutena does not have enough source Material for her. Different defaults and, ta-da.
I would be EXTREMELY angry. Medusa can be soooo much more than a clone...Shovel Knight:
As a frontrunner of the -bring back nostalgia but in new ways- movement, the game has always appealed to me.
The more support he gets, rather, the more ridiculous press he gets trying to claim he is likely/important/anything bigger than what he is, it unfortunately leaves a sour taste in my mouth... such is unfortunate, as he seems like a fun, if not generally bland, character.
Pokemon Trainer, the OG avatar character and protagonist of Pokemon's main games, is the biggest, bar none, disappointment to the roster. The only thing more upsetting is when his importance to NINTENDO and POP CUTURE as a whole are diminished by fanboyism.
In himself he represents more of the franchise than every other Mon, which are just popular characters, except Mewtwo. Bring him back with summon and the ability to utilize the games' main vehicle, the POKEBALL, and he will be a force with whom to be reckoned. Come at me with this one anyone, I will take on any contrary point. For it, I beg.
I wish Medusa had been added as a clone in the first place, instead of Dark Pit. Not as if Palutena does not have enough source Material for her. Different defaults and, ta-da.
I wish Nintendo would pick up this Drag/Greek world and continue the franchise. If Nintendo were to release a new game for it, or an announcement, I would respect a character much more so, as the characters in the world could easily be my third favorite from Nintendo.
I would just find it a waste of DLC, in regard to helping Nintendo long term, to add another Kid Icarus character, given the current situation.
Jeez, when did Harvest Moon get so complicated. Sigh, back holding my breath for Isaac
I desperately want a summoner. Someone who's physical attacks are lacking in KB and damage and are unimpressive, but can summon short lived minions and/or summon them for specific attack animations ala Zelda Down smash style. Andy/Sami and Pokemon Trainer are the first to come to mind
Since Isaac is Nintendo-owned and has high requests in the ballot he's a fairly decently likely candidate overall at this point.
I feel like he's on that bubble between being the last one in and being the first one held off. Eve optimistically, this is his last shot and for every good thing he has going, he has a couple glarign weaknesses, and this is coming from someone who's realistic list of character to get he wants to see in his left at pretty much just Isaac
I certainly wouldn't say this is his "last" shot. As long as he's decent high in the ballot there will probably be a Golden Sun 4. If he's highly enough requested to "almost" make it into Smash, it shows he's popular enough that GS can and will get a fourth game (the debate is on how close he was if he doesn't make it). If Isaac does make it, though, GS4 is practically guaranteed to happen, and it might be happening already and we just don't know about it yet.
Fair, I was going off the belief that Dark Dawn was the last entry, and when I said last shot I meant Smash 4 DLC as a whole vs. being in Smash 5. If Dark Dawn is the last game and Isaac doesn't make it into smash 4, then I don't see him making it into smash 5, those are the caveats I should have specified.
As a Ganon main, this truth pains me... Because I have long now accepted it and love playing what we've gotten, but no one deserves their own kit as much as him. We needed brawl to take bigger leaps because now it's pretty much set in stone. Agreed and hope they spare other newcomers this fate.
Well, yeah. If there is no GS4 he definitely won't be in the next Smash. If there is a GS4, if he's not in Smash 4 DLC, he'll be in Smash 5 for certain, since there's not a whole lot of characters left to expand to, anyway, so even if the timing is bad again, there's not much else to add beyond Rhythm Heaven and GS for new IP's, and both are decently successful IP's that would've had four games. (Inklings too if they don't make it in now.)
A lot of moveset material.
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The problem is Sakurai said this very thing, and that was his primary concern when deciding whether or not to do DLC characters: he wasn't sure if the characters would actually sell enough to make up the cost for development. He said this exact same thing before he even started DLC.
100% agreed.
high demand means high sale. Not to mention the most requested characters are unique. The way I see it, DLC will be fan demand and what Sakurai can do with the characters, no Wild Cards
