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[hidajiremi]

Okay, some content.

While I find Radical Fiction's picture posts amusing, they're really distracting from attempting to get content. He even admits in a previous post

Oh, and btw, to all the posting restriction mumbo jumbo. We don't have one.

which means that he's just doing it to avoid posting solid content. He's had some good (and as I said, funny) points so far, but in this case a picture is not worth a thousand words. It's a meta-dodge, and one that was specifically designed to get people to want to keep him around because of being funny. If it's not scummy, it's the next thing over to it. Admitting that it's not a posting restriction just adds fuel to the fire--either as a mistake, or as a deliberate attempt to muddy the waters by "being honest." If it's not a posting restriction, then it needs to either stop entirely, or at least be accompanied by real posts. People have gotten onto me--rightly so, really--about my lack of content in my posts so far. So here's some content: Radical Fiction is hiding from view by making with the funny, and it's both distracting and unclear. And since I've made it my policy in the past to never make an accusation without backing it up with a vote, here's that too:

Vote: RadicalFiction

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Are all my posts invisible or what?

HOW HAS RADICAL FICTION BEEN TRYING TO DISTRACT FROM SCUMHUNTING OR AVOIDED TO "TAKE A SOLID STANCE"?

You're all throwing out these statements with no backup whatsoever, when the opposite is pretty much evident at this point. You've literally all called him out on a ghost-tell because he *has* posted content and *has* made contributions to scum hunting.
Surprised how all of his "wagoners" call him out for the same thing when he's reasons for voting DatHydra are a lot more questionable.

Don't think this is a scum movement because so many people seem to hop RF for it ... looks more like a dumbTown consensus.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Don't think this is a scum movement because so many people seem to hop RF for it ... looks more like a dumbTown consensus.

I retract that. Scum sheeping is a possibility to get rid of a more experienced player.

FoS hidajiremi

 

[Asdioh]

@hida: Disagreed. Rfiction's posting style has made him stick out more to me. It will be annoying late game to see his stances D1, but since he has admitted it's not a real posting restriction he is sure to start posting more sentences and less pictures. For now though, his stances are clear and he's playing well, I believe he's town. If he continues posting exclusively in pictures after admitting he has no posting restriction, I will agree and think that he's trying to hide his tracks, but until that happens,

Vote: hidajiremi

 

[JTB]

Assuming he does *not* take a stance in the future would you find that suspicious? For what reasons? Keep in mind that Vult is currently voting for him.

Hard to tell, it's a difficult situation for him IMO. It is possible that he is trying to avoid the same situation that I did in the beginning, which is why he hasn't unvoted RF yet. I want to see how he acts today because my thoughts carry alot of assumptions.

Don't see how that's the case. His arguments are pretty clear to me and not hard to read at all. He thought your quick unvoting of Soup after being called out for voting him was overly defensive and worth noting. What's there to be confused about and what's the part he needs to elaborate on? I don't see much that's left to figure out from his pictures.

In that specific example, what I'm confused about is what happened after he voted me. He doesn't make any more posts for a while, then suddenly switches his vote to DatHydra without any sort of explanation as to why. Also, note that he didn't vote me right away, he made a few other posts before he did so.

So, now my questions are @ RF

1) Why did you vote DatHydra without giving any sort of explanation?
2) Why didn't you wait until I responded to your stance before switching your vote?

and on other topics

3) Did you agree with Vults arguments in #218 before I had responded to them?
4) It is difficult to tell whether some of your picture responses are seriously or just attempting to piss people off. Has every picture you posted been a serious answer or are you trolling in some of them?

And now, on to your post in #308.

Nothing.

I read this as a prod to post actual content. I don't see what I could follow up my warning to Soupamario with.

Don't know if you actually wanted a serious response from this, but I'll give you one. I've seen how kuz reacts with Roxy in other mafia games and seeing him vote Roxy's hydra without any sort of explanation is exactly something that kuz would do for lulz.

 

[JTB]

EBWOP

responding to RF's post in #230, for those wondering

 

[Radical Fiction]

[Glyph town] Based off of three posts?

Okay, some content.

While I find Radical Fiction's picture posts amusing, they're really distracting from attempting to get content. He even admits in a previous post



which means that he's just doing it to avoid posting solid content. He's had some good (and as I said, funny) points so far, but in this case a picture is not worth a thousand words. It's a meta-dodge, and one that was specifically designed to get people to want to keep him around because of being funny. If it's not scummy, it's the next thing over to it. Admitting that it's not a posting restriction just adds fuel to the fire--either as a mistake, or as a deliberate attempt to muddy the waters by "being honest." If it's not a posting restriction, then it needs to either stop entirely, or at least be accompanied by real posts. People have gotten onto me--rightly so, really--about my lack of content in my posts so far. So here's some content: Radical Fiction is hiding from view by making with the funny, and it's both distracting and unclear. And since I've made it my policy in the past to never make an accusation without backing it up with a vote, here's that too:

Vote: RadicalFiction

Expand on exactly where our content is lacking. Hida.

@ bolded in above quote

 

[Asdioh]

 

[Swiss]

 

[Purple]

****ing christ.

 

[RoxPSI]

Also @RoxPSI I don't see why you single out smar in terms of activity. Glyph, Hida and Red Ryu are the one's I found the have given us the least to work with so far. Ironic because you thought JTB singling out Glyph was weird enough for you to point out but I think you singling out smar isn't any less remarkable.

Wrong.

1) i've called out every player I've felt as inactive

2) The reason I called out smarboy69 individually is because Red Ryu has given a stance (while a light one) on players. Glyph has openly stated that he's going to have difficulty posting, while smarboy69 stated that he actually will be posting in 24 hours and didn't.

This is why we called him out in particular, however with Smar's hydra reasoning is a solid reason to me (roxy) and I feel rPSI will agree with this.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yeah but you still *voted* him in the end and I don't find your reasoning convincing. Smar's given us stances before Red did and I can't believe his "input" was enough for you to consider voting smar over him. Your totally grasping straws @the 24 hour thing too.

 

[hidajiremi]

Expand on exactly where our content is lacking. Hida.

I'm sorry if I happen to think that posting a cute comic is less useful than, I don't know, actually talking to people. If you posted the same amount of text without the comic, even double that, everyone would be breathing down your neck for being a no-content poster, but because you're posting meme comics you somehow get a pass? It's just ridiculous.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Are all my posts invisible or what?

HOW HAS RADICAL FICTION BEEN TRYING TO DISTRACT FROM SCUMHUNTING OR AVOIDED TO "TAKE A SOLID STANCE"?

You're all throwing out these statements with no backup whatsoever, when the opposite is pretty much evident at this point. You've literally all called him out on a ghost-tell because he *has* posted content and *has* made contributions to scum hunting.

Quoting this because people *still* miss it.

 

[RoxPSI]

I'm sorry if I happen to think that posting a cute comic is less useful than, I don't know, actually talking to people. If you posted the same amount of text without the comic, even double that, everyone would be breathing down your neck for being a no-content poster, but because you're posting meme comics you somehow get a pass? It's just ridiculous.

The thing is, a picture is worth a thousand words. While big posts are pretty and all, Rfiction is consistently showing his stances on players, while you on the other hand, are not showing any stances other than Rfiction.

Even with only pictures, I know that he feels dathydra is scum, gheb is null, and that jtb and soup are dumb (town?) players. Please just pay attention to the point behind each post.


______

@gheb
Overall, our intention is to get activity into the game Gheb, while yes we should be pushing active players, by letting inactive players be, we're making it harder on ourselves in the long run. We plan to hound all inactives, but we find that just asking questions and expecting them to answer won't work well, so we are singling them out.

I (roxy) looked at the people who were inactive yesterday, and while smarboy's first post was decent (FoS'ing Vult over his random comment), his second post was merely commenting on gameplay (null), and his third post was hideous. Red Ryu said more information than Smarboy at this point (however with a re-read it looks like potential parroting of information from others)

-RoxPSI

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Confirming that I'm V/LA.

 

[smarboy69]

His vote remained on me, I saw that as pressure. My intent was not to push a Soup lynch, but to clear my name. When Soup unvoted us, we no longer pressured him.

You canNOT be serious. So instead of scumhunting, you were trying to clear your name? Oh wait, RF already said this. Next post: Tunneling and voting are not equivalent. Suppose this is LyLo and you're only considering the possibility that one person is scum. You don't vote, because it's LyLo, but you're still tunneling.

Gheb - I was trying to explain what I meant by meta-dodge. Swiss and Ryker are likely not the lynch for today, but the pictures drive me absolutely batty.

Asdioh: Why are you doing ISOs at this stage of the game?

FOS: DatHydra

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Wow wtf @ FoSing. DatHydra wagon is overdue and we could really use harder stances from active player.

 

[smarboy69]

Gheb, if we could vote, we would. Let's leave it at that, okay?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Woah didn't expect that at all, sorry.

Wagon needs to happen still. Other people need to hop on in that case.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

With 13 alive it take 7 to lynch!

[0] Glyph
[0] Tandora:
[0] Soupamario:
[2] DatHydra: Gheb_01, RadicalFiction,
[2] hidajiremi: Tandora, Asdioh,
[0] Vult Redux:
[0] RoxPSI:
[0] Asdioh:
[0] Red Ryu:
[1] smarboy69: RoxPSI,
[3] RadicalFiction: Vult Redux, Soupamario, hidajiremi,
[0] JTB:
[0] Gheb_01:
[0] No Lynch:

Not voting: Glyph, DatHydra, Red Ryu, smarboy69, JTB,

@Asdioh: Please do not post screen shots of anykind. (I'm refering to your #273).

@Roxy: Don't edit your posts. I'm getting a mod to change it back.

 

[Radical Fiction]

1) Why did you vote DatHydra without giving any sort of explanation?
2) Why didn't you wait until I responded to your stance before switching your vote?

and on other topics

3) Did you agree with Vults arguments in #218 before I had responded to them?
4) It is difficult to tell whether some of your picture responses are seriously or just attempting to piss people off. Has every picture you posted been a serious answer or are you trolling in some of them?

1.)

2.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63hdcmGOVM

3.)

4.) Consider this. Maybe Swiss and Ryker enjoy pissing people off? What strategic purpose would that serve?

 

[Radical Fiction]

[3] RadicalFiction: Vult Redux, Soupamario, hidajiremi,

 

[Vult Redux]

Vult, you claimed to have a feeling that Radical was onto something "really good" but then he backed off. What exactly is the scummy part of that ... where exactly lies your problem with Radical?

As Town I would have expected that he not move on as quickly especially if he was you were going to focus on DayHydra (you voted before him), or at the very least, he continue pushing JTB as opposed to letting him drop off the map so easily.

I feel like there it's more likely Scum-motivated than Town. IMO: wrecking associations between him and JTB/Hydra.

which means that he's just doing it to avoid posting solid content.

Well... no. You're just looking for something easy to jump on.

Vote: Hida

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You're only telling me half the story - you also quoted only a part of my post directed towards. Not sure whether I like that or not.

If people from the Radical wagon would switch to Hydra / Hida we'd have two pretty solid wagons at this stage. Rox, I still don't agree with your reasoning and think your vote on smar is misplaced and doesn't help a lot. Glyph / Ryu and JTB would be good off starting to taking a stance so we can get this Day fully rolling by now.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Radicals posts still annoy me, but I'll let it go since like Gheb is saying, he is posting content, he's just using pictures instead of words which is fine to express his points. IT's not scummy in itself so I got a null atm.

Gheb is looking the most town right now, granted trying to play town leader could be a sign of scum trying to control town I don't think this is the case. He's town read for me right now.

Hida is over reacting to the pics, I do find them annoying like I've said but it's not something to lynch over. He's overreacting to them, I don't like the noob card he threw around in his #269.

Roxy is being Roxy, but I'm kinda confused since PSI is part of his hydra.

DatHydra seems better compared to Hida. Maybe because I know Kuzi better and he is acting like town Kuzi does in other games I've been in with him.

No votes yet from me though.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@Glyph: Why you no hunt like you do when your town?

 

[Radical Fiction]

Gheb is looking the most town right now, granted trying to play town leader could be a sign of scum trying to control town I don't think this is the case. He's town read for me right now.

Roxy is being Roxy, but I'm kinda confused since PSI is part of his hydra.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Roxy acts a certain way in mafia, in mafia I have been with him he is acting consistent for his town self. PSI I'm not sure which makes them being a hydra tricky.

Town leaders always scare me. Because usually I see them pull a, "Do as I say or your not town" when it hit end game they revealed themselves to be scum and town lost. Something of a personal dislike, but it doesn't come off entirely as town behavior. Still Gheb's play as it stands is good for getting information and getting reads. So I find it to be more town behavior.

@Radical Fiction: Who is looking scummy to you right now and why?

 

[RoxPSI]

Roxy is being Roxy, but I'm kinda confused since PSI is part of his hydra.

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean. Please explain more. I know that the games you've played in with Roxy, he was town most of the times (although I can't speak for every game ever played). Is this supposed to be a null-town read or what am I supposed to interpret it as? You need to be less vague. =/

DatHydra seems better compared to Hida. Maybe because I know Kuzi better and he is acting like town Kuzi does in other games I've been in with him.

You're honestly going to let meta take precedent over in game play?



-rPSI

 

[RoxPSI]

EBWOP: Ninja'd

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean. Please explain more. I know that the games you've played in with Roxy, he was town most of the times (although I can't speak for every game ever played). Is this supposed to be a null-town read or what am I supposed to interpret it as? You need to be less vague. =/

Yes this is exactly what I mean. I'm getting a more null-town read atm.

Gut feelings to me are dumb in mafia, I try to look at consistent gameplay and Roxy is being pretty consistent.

PSI for you, I'm not sure since you died D2 in the onyl one I was with you.

You're honestly going to let meta take precedent over in game play?

For Hydra, somewhat.

His play is a tad shacky but it matches up with Kuzi with his town play a bit.

Still I find Hida to be worse in behavior overall compared to Hydra.

 

[Radical Fiction]

@Radical Fiction: Who is looking scummy to you right now and why?

You skimmin, right?

 

[Radical Fiction]

For Hydra, somewhat.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

RR, remember how I used to be a mod? Well I didn't step down.

That aside, I have read over all the posts up to this point but they were exceptionally dry even for a mafia game, aside from RF's posts, and even then I wish he'd copy the text below the images in case something happens with imgur and to help people look back during isoreads and the such.

 

[Radical Fiction]

@Radical Fiction: Who is looking scummy to you right now and why?

 

[Radical Fiction]

Ninja'd by my own hydra partner :@

 

[RoxPSI]

We agree with Gheb that our vote on Smarboy at this point holds no validity, considering Gordito is v/la and Smarget will be posting from now on.

unvote

Continuing on.

Yes this is exactly what I mean. I'm getting a more null-town read atm.

Gut feelings to me are dumb in mafia, I try to look at consistent gameplay and Roxy is being pretty consistent.

I'd like to call bs on this comment for a moment. You've played with me three times before, and in two of those games I've played completely different, one of them I went as far as to straight up troll the entire time.

I have no idea what you mean when you say "Roxy is Roxy", merely because I strive to play better/different in each game when things are serious.

This is just a simple way (To me at least) to pull away from actually giving reads, and instead just posting fluff. "Roxy is playing typical Roxy play" gives no one else in town an actual idea of your stance; To put it simply, you're posting more and more fluff each post you make, and I (roxy) don't like it.

Where is the consistency between my other games and this one? You're giving no examples of where I (roxy) have been consistent in my gameplay in multiple games; Kuz has played with me in two different games, Swiss in one, yet neither of them have agreed with your statement (or perhaps they just skimmed it, either or).

If you're going to pull meta, it would be nice if you could tell us where this is consistent.

Also, I've only seen you play once with Kuz, I find it hard to believe you completely understand TownKuz after one game.

Give examples of consistency or I'd treat your messages as fluff. rPSI personally feels your town-null read is a hint at buddying, I just feel it's a lack of trying to get a good read.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You skimmin, right?

Things changed recently with Gheb claiming Hydra or Hida, restate them or tell me if anyone changed.

RR, remember how I used to be a mod? Well I didn't step down.

I'm not gonna talk about that right now.

Since there are a couple of things that happened with that. :/

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Also people outside of those tow read wise would be nice Radical.