Dissidia Mafia: Over Serial Killer Wiins! ~ Told you $#!* got real!

[~ Gheb ~]

But where was the pressure? Where was the followup to RF asking (Soupamario) to provide evidence to his claims? He had plenty of time to respond to Gheb and Roxy, as well as post his thoughts on me, but he didn't keep pressuring the person he was voting for?

My thoughts: he is attempting to lurk after his failed confrontation with RF. I know that he didn't mean inactive in the sense of "I won't be posting as much but I'll be keeping up with the thread" because he hasn't been online since he made his last post, so he more than likely logged out immediately and went to lurking the thread as a guest until he gets called out again.

Vote Soupamario

And you are right, it is impossible to prove that he is lurking instead of posting. I just feel like his conversation with RF placed him in a pretty bad light and instead of trying to resolve it, he ignores it and goes on to post on a completely different matter.

I appreciate your attempt to finally hunt scum but I think you're a bit off here. It's way too early to accuse Soup of lurking [especially considering how vocal he's been] and I think he announced his V/LA status either before or half-way through his exchange with Radical. The general idea - to look out for people going back to lurk mode after being called out - is not a bad one but I don't think it applies to Soup. I didn't even see he's "lurking", I just he would be flat-out inactive because he can't check SWF for that time. They are two very different things and it'd be better to wait if he actually comes back posting or not but based on his previous activity I assume he will.

Overall, I think your case is a bit reaching.

 

[DatHydra]

You canNOT be serious. So instead of scumhunting, you were trying to clear your name? Oh wait, RF already said this.

This was early in the game, where there were only 3 significant posters (Soup, Gheb and myself) and it was far too early to call people out for not posting yet. I did not (and do not) believe that Soup or Gheb was scum.

Soup was calling me out, and I responded. There was nothing else to respond to, nor could I question other players.

Next post: Tunneling and voting are not equivalent. Suppose this is LyLo and you're only considering the possibility that one person is scum. You don't vote, because it's LyLo, but you're still tunneling.

FOS: DatHydra

I understand. However, tunneling is focusing on someone with an intent to lynch. Where's the intent? Lack of vote, I stated he was town, I dropped it when he dropped his vote.




Thoughts on Gheb - He's taking a leadership role at the moment, which I understand why people might be wary about. However, I feel his judgement so far has been good and he's scum hunting. Town.



RadicalFiction's posting style is fine. His case on me was perfectly readable.

Hida being forced to give content, and then just commenting on RF's posting style is ridiculous.

Vote: Hida

 

[DatHydra]

EBWOP:

The first quote is only meant to be the first line, the second paragraph in it is part of my comment on the quote.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Gheb: same question, and scumpicks besides DatHydra? (sorry, I can't remember, despite just reading all that x_x)

DatHydra
hidajiremi / RoxPSI

is my scumlist at the moment with Vult Redux as a neutral leaning slightly scum [at least until he elaborates]. I don't know Red Ryu but I don't like how he's mainly just giving "updated opinions" of his here and there.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Thoughts on Gheb - He's taking a leadership role at the moment, which I understand why people might be wary about.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Is anybody *not* suspicious of hida right now? Thinking he's approaching L-3 by now and there were at least 3 foses on him. A bus is possible but I was also kind of looking out for a possible newbie scum mate to deflect / defend him.

Request Vote count

Keeping my vote where it is for now until I see a new vote count. Hida wagon is good, hida and hydra wagon would be optimal in my book. None voters need to step it up big time [if possible for them]; currently leaning Vig fodder @ most of them.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Hydra and Hida should die.

Ryu, JTB, maaaaaybe Tandora can be vigged.

Other reads of note, null on Gheb. Don't want above post to be confused with a town read.

 

[DatHydra]

I never said I was wary, but I can at least, understand the viewpoint. Someone leading means they're taking control, which means less control for yourself (reflexive), the most clear town person.

I disagree with it, but I can see why people might be wary.

 

[Radical Fiction]

I never said I was wary, but I can at least, understand the viewpoint. Someone leading means they're taking control, which means less control for yourself (reflexive), the most clear town person.

I disagree with it, but I can see why people might be wary.

 

[Swiss]

 

[Radical Fiction]

I am radical fiction

 

[JTB]

Ryu, JTB, maaaaaybe Tandora can be vigged.

Why do you see Ryu and Tandora as possible vig kills?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Alright, back, no i did not purposely go V/LA, i haven't even skimmed this as you can see.

It seems that i can stop playing dumb town now, we've finally got people talking.

Sorry for that ruse everyone.


Give me a minute to Summarize all this, lemme choose my scum picks, and we'll go from there.

 

[hidajiremi]

The thing is, a picture is worth a thousand words.

No! No, it's not! Getting a pass because you're being cutesy isn't helpful to anyone! RF's posts are inherently anti-town because posting pictures without content inclines people, especially newer people to skim over them. Yes, you get his stances--but you never get any reasoning behind them, which is the whole point of posting. I think I've stated pretty strongly why I think RF's posting style is anti-town at this point. If you disagree with me, fine. The fact that more experienced players are just letting this pass bothers me to no end, and I'm not going to change my vote just on their say-so. If I'm given a better target for that vote, absolutely, but for the moment I'm happy where I am.

 

[smarboy69]

There are no angry faces in the ragecomic thing sufficient to express my feelings right now.

 

[smarboy69]

ninja'd, feelings are about Soupa faking noobtown not hida voting RF (though I don't care for that either, it just doesn't have me pounding my head against the wall).

 

[hidajiremi]

Okay, crap. I take it back. This post is what I've been looking for from RF--wordswordswords. Now I feel like a jerk. =/

 

[hidajiremi]

And since I didn't make it clear previously.

Unvote

 

[RoxPSI]

Because you personally decide to not read his messages, then you're the one being anti-town, not him. The thing is a lot of his posts, especially recently in the heat of things, have had more wording and content in his comics than just pictures.

How do you feel currently about DatHydra?
-Roxy

 

[hidajiremi]

So Hida's gonna ride the noob card (even though he freakin lives with somebody whose WHOLE FAMILY plays mafia) all game and call Radical out on posting comics? Nah not gonna slide.

FoS Hida

I'll post lots a content eventually. When I'm off of V/LA.

Jeebus. Way to jump on my back over an intro post from the beginning of the game. And yeah, I live with Tandora, but most of what I get from her about Mafia is griping about the games she's in--not anything really resembling tactical advice. It's like living with a football fanatic who complains constantly about their favorite team doing badly; you get a lot of the gossip and drama, but you still don't get a lot about the way the game is played.

 

[RoxPSI]

Jeebus. Way to jump on my back over an intro post from the beginning of the game. And yeah, I live with Tandora, but most of what I get from her about Mafia is griping about the games she's in--not anything really resembling tactical advice. It's like living with a football fanatic who complains constantly about their favorite team doing badly; you get a lot of the gossip and drama, but you still don't get a lot about the way the game is played.

While it's true that being around good players =/= good play; this has nothing to do with your stances.

Let's start with that.

-Roxy

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Thoughts on Hida

Hida, how long you gonna ride the noob train? You've been in several games at this point and you've almost never made it past Day 1, but can you honestly say you're still noob?

I'll ride the noob train until I finally manage to finish a game. After the disappointment of Doctor Who, I only realize how much farther I have to go. And I'll write a more in-depth post blasting someone or other when I get home. See you then, sweety.

This concerns me, you're basically saying "i'm just gonna sit around and not do anything and wait for something to happen."

which you have been doing.

While I find Radical Fiction's picture posts amusing, they're really distracting from attempting to get content. He even admits in a previous post

Oh, and btw, to all the posting restriction mumbo jumbo. We don't have one.

which means that he's just doing it to avoid posting solid content. He's had some good (and as I said, funny) points so far, but in this case a picture is not worth a thousand words. It's a meta-dodge, and one that was specifically designed to get people to want to keep him around because of being funny. If it's not scummy, it's the next thing over to it. Admitting that it's not a posting restriction just adds fuel to the fire--either as a mistake, or as a deliberate attempt to muddy the waters by "being honest." If it's not a posting restriction, then it needs to either stop entirely, or at least be accompanied by real posts. People have gotten onto me--rightly so, really--about my lack of content in my posts so far. So here's some content: Radical Fiction is hiding from view by making with the funny, and it's both distracting and unclear. And since I've made it my policy in the past to never make an accusation without backing it up with a vote, here's that too:

A point here: Some of Radical Fiction's posts have actually been quite spot-on, i do enjoy however that you have taken the bait which i set out for you, i make a silly little gripe, he reacts weirdly to it, you go full-force on it in the later pages.

Radical Fiction's post is not a meta-dodge, in fact, it is a meta, it's a way of keeping himself underwraps while still giving his point, and you could even consider an attention-getter, mystifying people who try to read him.

This keeps from people being able to use him, they have to read between lines and this makes it hard for mafia to sheep him, which, gheb pointed out in his #322, you are trying to do.

Questions:
1. Why ride the noob train? what benefit does it really have? would it say it would be easier for scum to ride it?


Thoughts on Gheb

Doing a great job so far, i can tell he has experience and all his points are very helpful, so far, i haven't disagreed with most of his points.


Thoughts on Asdioh

I don't really seeing you having much of an opnion, you seem to be quick to change your mind in dire straits, at first, you were on me, but then people starting saying i looked town, and you have backed off, voting Hida along with gheb.

That looks kinda scummy, you're just going with Gheb, or whoever speaks before you.

I mean, sure, you've had some ISO's, but, anyone can have ISO's, i can make up some ISO's right now if i really wanted to.

Questions:
1. How do you feel about me at the moment now, why did you suddenly unvote me after everyone kept saying they had town reads on me?

FOS: Asdioh

Thoughts on JTB

I'm quite null on this player, he makes good statements and responses, however, it seems he is now waaaay more active then he was.

JTB, in your #371, you question me saying i am lurking as a guest now, well, beleive it or not, but i literally left, this is my first time logging on since sunday, so, believe what you want.

my vote on RFicition has been explained, read it.


Thoughts on RoxPSI

I like her posts too, they have nice reasoning also, but perhaps too nice?

Rox, i asked you, if you were mafia,and if you were to kill me, would that make you look scummy?

you said you didn't want me in the end-game, so, i've basically gained myself a spot in it.

Thoughts on smar

Uncertain, really, not enough content to look at, and really dull and obvious statements, quite null on him.

Thoughts on Vult

NULL.
N-U-L-L.

Thoughts on Red Ryu

Nothing much to go by, he still states obvious assertions much like half of the people here.

From GlpyH:
Soupamario: Pretend you're a Vig, and you've got to shoot someone right now. Based off of everyone's posts thus far, who do you take out? Why?

Right now? Probably...hmm..great question.

I only shoot if i have hard evidence of scum, if i were a vigil.

Right now, it's looking..
60/50 Hydra
10/50 Gheb
30/50 Radical
40/50 Hida
45/50 Asdioh
5/50 RoxPSI

50/50 for the rest.

Hydra is still in my gut feeling, i have FOS'ed Asdioh, and i have unvoted him, but he needed to get off me so i unvoted, besides, i have enough information by now.


I have alot more to do, consider this a stepping stone, i need to reply to hydra, Tandora, and everyone else.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

No! No, it's not! Getting a pass because you're being cutesy isn't helpful to anyone! RF's posts are inherently anti-town because posting pictures without content inclines people, especially newer people to skim over them. Yes, you get his stances--but you never get any reasoning behind them, which is the whole point of posting. I think I've stated pretty strongly why I think RF's posting style is anti-town at this point. If you disagree with me, fine. The fact that more experienced players are just letting this pass bothers me to no end, and I'm not going to change my vote just on their say-so. If I'm given a better target for that vote, absolutely, but for the moment I'm happy where I am.

While you made your point clear I find the reason disagreeable regardless.

Let me ask about it this way: If somebody fails to understand a point because he skimmed through a post would you accuse the poster because he doesn't make his point clear or the skimmer because he simply didn't bother to read carefully? Obviously, you would accuse the latter because typically we assume that a townie wants to understand all points as clearly as possible.
The same can be said about Radical: Him posting pictures doesn't give anybody the right to skim through his *points* behind the images. It's still the responsibility of a townie to try to understand that and I don't believe that this has been the case for most players who accused Radical. I don't feel like these people [including yourself] have actively tried to grasp the points behind the images but just complained about it on principle or laziness or for whatever reason.

So no, his actions were not *inherently* anti-town - they only become anti-town if the majority of people chooses to let it become anti-town.

 

[hidajiremi]

Gonna wait for Hida to post before I do anything with my vote. Same with Hydra, I want to see another post from him first.

@Hydra: Opinions on Gheb?
@Hida: Same with you.

As an experienced player, Gheb has a habit of making me feel like I don't know what the heck I'm doing. His positions are stated so confidently that it's very hard to be able to post against him, from where I'm standing. I don't really like being told "no, your stance is bad", but at this point--with half the people playing saying that--I can't really take that as a scum attack on a good idea. I can only acknowledge that my annoyance with RF's posting style somehow isn't anti-town, though I'll admit I still can't see why that is. Gheb's early attempt to be game-leader grates on my nerves, but that's entirely a personal thing and not related. I guess overall, I've got a town vibe from Gheb, but I'm not sure how much that means.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

hida, if i were you, i'd get off RFiction while you are still alive, it's not working, perhaps you need to push on someone else, or you are gonna indeed get the chopping block.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

oh i need to Unvote still.

there. ^^

 

[hidajiremi]

Questions:
1. Why ride the noob train? what benefit does it really have? would it say it would be easier for scum to ride it?

I suppose from the couple of games I've been in, I just get sick of the attitude that some experienced players give, which comes off to me as "Your opinion doesn't matter because you're a noob--but you better not try to claim noob so we go easy on you!" You can't win coming or going. That particular post was mostly made out of frustration more than anything. At least people in this game are more polite than they were in my first one. That's worth something.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

This is getting a bit confusing.

Who are the people who said that Radical's posts were anti-town other than hida? Because right now it seems a lot of people are actually marking him as useful and pro-town and I sense some opportunism / sheeping based on my pushes against the Radical wagon. I could've sworn that like half of the game has complained about him posting in pictures and now suddenly everybody is praising the content he contributes? I remember him having 3 votes on him and being the biggest wagon earlier ... what happened to that?

Request Vote count

We need more of these; I'm having a hard time tracking people's voting behavior and it's getting a bit tedious to keep everything in mind.

 

[hidajiremi]

hida, if i were you, i'd get off RFiction while you are still alive, it's not working, perhaps you need to push on someone else, or you are gonna indeed get the chopping block.

Already did that.

And since I didn't make it clear previously.

Unvote

See?

 

[smarboy69]

Hida, being annoyed with the comics isn't anti-town. Letting that annoyance get in the way of actually scumhunting and playing the game is.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@gheb, read my #422.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Don't see how that's the case @ hida. I almost always post concrete questions when I accuse somebody or give them something to respond to. You should take these things more as an opportunity to get a better hold of this game than a negative. I'm not excluding anybody from discussion.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@gheb, read my #422.

Did that already. Any part you want me to look at / respond to in particular?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Well, i suppose the question is, is there anything to respond to?

any parts you agree with?

this goes for everyone too.

 

[RoxPSI]

While you made your point clear I find the reason disagreeable regardless.

Let me ask about it this way: If somebody fails to understand a point because he skimmed through a post would you accuse the poster because he doesn't make his point clear or the skimmer because he simply didn't bother to read carefully? Obviously, you would accuse the latter because typically we assume that a townie wants to understand all points as clearly as possible.
The same can be said about Radical: Him posting pictures doesn't give anybody the right to skim through his *points* behind the images. It's still the responsibility of a townie to try to understand that and I don't believe that this has been the case for most players who accused Radical. I don't feel like these people [including yourself] have actively tried to grasp the points behind the images but just complained about it on principle or laziness or for whatever reason.

So no, his actions were not *inherently* anti-town - they only become anti-town if the majority of people chooses to let it become anti-town.

Man, it's as if someone's copying me and fluffing it up with more words . You probably missed my post though; oh well.

@Soup - I never really thought about it, but after a re-read of hida you actually made a very good point. Hida has no viable reason to ride the noob train, from a town perspective at least. There's a difference between being a noob and working to improve, and purposely pushing as a newbie. I think this is very bad for us to allow Hida to continue acting this way purposely.

Also, to your comment pressed on me, you're going off the perception that I am scum, adn are pushing a bit of wifom here (i know you're a wifom player, but it really just gives town too much to think/worry about). Also how does your chart work? 50 points = null tell? Anything lower is leaning towards town and anything higher is leaning towards scum? If so then I'm fairly surprised I'm the lowest on your group there, especially after pushing against DatHydra early game.

I agree with many of your thoughts on players, however asdioh I'd like some proof of him parroting, just to see if you have any. From what I can tell, he's fairly close to a second lynch candidate for you.

Hidajiremi - Do you still intend at this point, to continue riding the noob train? Newsflash, players that are portrayed as newbies are more likely to die via nks and lynches than smart players who make a strong effort to make connections and post stances. I hope you aren't ignoring me btw, because I remember asking you a question, In fact, i'll quote it now.

Because you personally decide to not read his messages, then you're the one being anti-town, not him. The thing is a lot of his posts, especially recently in the heat of things, have had more wording and content in his comics than just pictures.

How do you feel currently about DatHydra?
-Roxy

While it's true that being around good players =/= good play; this has nothing to do with your stances.

Let's start with that.

-Roxy

-Roxy

x3

 

[RoxPSI]

@smargaret (assuming such, considering goridto is v/la) - where are you getting the perception that Soup is noobtown? Where are you getting the perception he's faking it.

 

[smarboy69]

Soupa, the thing that stands out to me in your 428 is that you don't vote. Is there a reason for that? If you're just waiting for a votecount, who do you intend to vote for?

I second the request for a votecount, please.

 

[smarboy69]

Alright, back, no i did not purposely go V/LA, i haven't even skimmed this as you can see.

It seems that i can stop playing dumb town now, we've finally got people talking.

Sorry for that ruse everyone.


Give me a minute to Summarize all this, lemme choose my scum picks, and we'll go from there.

That's where I'm getting the perception the VI thing was an act.

 

[RoxPSI]

This is getting a bit confusing.

Who are the people who said that Radical's posts were anti-town other than hida? Because right now it seems a lot of people are actually marking him as useful and pro-town and I sense some opportunism / sheeping based on my pushes against the Radical wagon. I could've sworn that like half of the game has complained about him posting in pictures and now suddenly everybody is praising the content he contributes? I remember him having 3 votes on him and being the biggest wagon earlier ... what happened to that?

Request Vote count

We need more of these; I'm having a hard time tracking people's voting behavior and it's getting a bit tedious to keep everything in mind.

This a large game, and last time i checked the wagon was only around 3 people. Hida, Red Ryu, and SOup were three players annoyed by his overall posting style, Smarboy made a comment that his [RFiction's] posting would potentially be anti-town and a meta-dodge (lol); this is the "wagon" you're referring to, and Soup is the only one thus far who's pulled away from this "wagon"

 

[smarboy69]

To clarify - we don't see the comics as scummy. We are not on that wagon.