Dissidia Mafia: Over Serial Killer Wiins! ~ Told you $#!* got real!

[~ Gheb ~]

ehh..i had bad wording too, offtopic but, how do i hyperlink, that would be really, really helpful.

You click the little sign with the globe and the chain on it. Then you're asked to enter the URL of the link. You can link to individual posts by clicking the number at the right top of each post and insert the URL there.

 

[RoxPSI]

Gheb, are you still feeling a town read on Soup? Obviously Hydra is the play to you, but how close is soupa to being the play?

Noting it for the sake of help.

Glyph
Asdioh
Smarboy
Dathydra

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

The question is why you chose to play like that to begin with? I don't see how your play has gotten any smarter since your "revelation" ... quite on the contrary. Your stances are a lot more questionable to me now and your hasty L-2 vote [when I clearly noted to not vote before we get a vote count] show that you are less cautious now than you used to be before.[/q

you ninja'ed me as i was typing, it's almost like the JTB incident. :/


But when you say you were playing dumb on purpose, can you really blame the town for being dumb? If I play scummy on purpose as a townie and get lynched for it I can't tell them that *they* have been dumb.


I said why, i caught some people with some of it, like i caught Asdioh, Hida, and Hydra.

I'm sure you're thinking "why is he doing this? he was confirmed town..why do this now?"

I said that, this is a time to actually to start helping more, rather then just stating silly questions.




EBWOP.

I kinda feel like crap now though.

 

[RoxPSI]

This will sound mean, but suck it up and play correctly.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Gheb

Alright, i need to just take my time then.

@Rox Not at all, constructive critcism is fine.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb, are you still feeling a town read on Soup? Obviously Hydra is the play to you, but how close is soupa to being the play?

Re-evaluating my scum list atm. More concerned with Soup now but not feeling his lynch yet.

Currently reconsidering my scumread on you as our thought processes seem to match right now. At first I was thinking you were buddying but that Ninja post was definitely genuine as are your current stances. Same time I'm not sure regarding hida either but I guess in his case time *will* tell if he's scum or not so he gets the same treatment as JTB. His reasoning for clearing Tandora is weak though but he's actually the only other person [except myself] out of the 5 Hydra voters that I think has genuine points against him.

That'd make Vult / Ryu and maybe Asdioh or Glyph more suspect but mainly the former two.

 

[Purple]

I can agree to this; I somehow missed adding Vult into my list of people who are inactive on current discussion.

I think at this point I should just wait until other post in here, I'm getting ahead of myself and i'll just end up having more to explain to my partner.

Until then.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Hida i think has made a good stand, i like his points, but i need to respond to them yet, i have yet to get to tandora/everyone else too, so i'm getting swamped at the moment.

i'll be back later in the day, self questions here:

1.in forum mafia, how often do votes go around? let's say it's last day, do you guys just finally decide on what happens?

 

[Vult Redux]

A billion posts overnight.

Is there a post where someone compiles the evidence against DayHydra and reviews it? If so, can someone direct me to it?

 

[JTB]

jesus this thread exploded overnight

glad to see you back soupa

 

[Asdioh]

wake up to go from page 10 to page 13 (on 40 posts per page)

reaction:

Thoughts on Asdioh

I don't really seeing you having much of an opnion, you seem to be quick to change your mind in dire straits, at first, you were on me, but then people starting saying i looked town, and you have backed off, voting Hida along with gheb.

That looks kinda scummy, you're just going with Gheb, or whoever speaks before you.

I mean, sure, you've had some ISO's, but, anyone can have ISO's, i can make up some ISO's right now if i really wanted to.

Questions:
1. How do you feel about me at the moment now, why did you suddenly unvote me after everyone kept saying they had town reads on me?

FOS: Asdioh

Someone finally FOSes me! Reaction:

You were acting a bit idiotic in the beginning, and if you saw my main reason for voting you (remember it was during RVS) was that you spelled my name wrong after I told you not to. I left it there for a while since I had no better picks, but eventually I unvoted, and my only other vote has been on Hida.
And I was not following Gheb @ Hida at all, I made my post at the same time he did. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=12277904#post12277904 <--starting there and the next three posts, look at the times they were posted

Thoughts on RoxPSI

I like her posts too,

RoxPSI is a girl

reaction:

Right now, it's looking..
60/50 Hydra
10/50 Gheb
30/50 Radical
40/50 Hida
45/50 Asdioh
5/50 RoxPSI

50/50 for the rest.

Hydra is still in my gut feeling, i have FOS'ed Asdioh, and i have unvoted him, but he needed to get off me so i unvoted, besides, i have enough information by now.

What the hell do those numbers mean?

Finally responding to the 3. question:

It's all about the metagaming.

I looked at everyone's profiles, or past games, if there were a hydra i just looked seperately.

I think my actions clear up everything, i buddied with Gheb at first, while still having some fisticuffs with him to see if he was as good as i thought he was; he has not dissapointed me at all.

anyways, i used some pre-metas myself, "I AM A WIFOMER" etc. etc.

JTB and RFiction don't matter, they just voted me because i NL'ed, i don't take it as much.

Asdioh was first to take this bait, voting me stating "i sense some WIFOM going on." #114
Hydra then decided he thought he could use me in his #119.

i think you guys know the rest, and i will explain all this with hida's too.

The rest i have explained, the RF stance, the gheb stance, etc. etc.

i still have yet to re-evaluate my Hydra vote yet.

I'm not sure how I feel about you anymore. All you've shown me now is that you're dangerous, whether town or otherwise. If you're scum then you can play us pretty hard with that sudden switch, and if you're town then you've made yourself a target for mafia.

That said, it's too bad you don't have premium so you can't look at my first mafia game in the Disco Room

To elaborate: have you not considered that the positive may not outweigh the negative here? You say mafia can't use your arguments against you [which is far from true] but if anything it's the *town* that can't use anything you say *for* you. I think the latter applies much more than the former.

Agreed.

I'm sure you're thinking "why is he doing this? he was confirmed town..why do this now?"

:mistyface:



@mod: request votecount

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

From GlpyH:
Soupamario: Pretend you're a Vig, and you've got to shoot someone right now. Based off of everyone's posts thus far, who do you take out? Why?

Right now? Probably...hmm..great question.

I only shoot if i have hard evidence of scum, if i were a vigil.

You're missing the point of the question. You HAVE to shoot someone in this scenario, your reply was the exact one I was striving to avoid.

hidajiremi I don't think I ever got an answer from you in regards to my question. I wanted to know if you were a Doc, who you would protect tonight, and why.

Soupamario your sudden revelation of switching from noob town play to regular (I couldn't think of a better word) is odd to me. Do you feel that your "bait" defense outweighs the noob connotation that you established? Also, if you're looking to impress people why wouldn't you play your best from the start?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

IGMEO Three people, Glyph for lack of content, Vult for lack of content, Smarboy69 for lack of content.

Don't confuse a low number of posts with lack of content. With some obvious exceptions, I've been providing stances and asking questions.

 

[Tandora]

I hope to also see information Tandora on the validity of Hida's statement.

Hida is town.

And I haven't seen anything from him I would consdier invalid.

More when I get home.

 

[RoxPSI]

Going under the assumption that Tandora is town (she's been playing relatively well); I'm giving benefit of the doubt (roxy= I) that Hida is town along with Tandora. This really just pushes me further towards the DatHydra lynch.

That being said, I think more people should post towards that.

@Glyph - If i can't strongly remember your stances from the top of my head at the rate i'm reading this thread, your stances are not clear or precise. With all of these new events happening, it's hard to take previous stances are solid because (especially on d1) these stances are very dynamic.

-Roxy

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

With 13 alive it take 7 to lynch!

[0] Glyph
[0] Tandora:
[1] Soupamario: JTB,
[5] DatHydra: RadicalFiction, hidajiremi, RoxPSI, Gheb_01, Soupamario,
[4] hidajiremi: Tandora, Asdioh, Vult Redux, DatHydra,
[0] Vult Redux:
[0] RoxPSI:
[0] Asdioh:
[0] Red Ryu:
[0] smarboy69:
[0] RadicalFiction:
[0] JTB:
[0] Gheb_01:
[0] No Lynch:

Not voting: Glyph, Red Ryu, smarboy69,

Request Vote count

We need more of these; I'm having a hard time tracking people's voting behavior and it's getting a bit tedious to keep everything in mind.

Sorry, It was between 2 something and 6 something when you requested those.

 

[RoxPSI]

Stop the presses; I spot something with my two eyes

[4] hidajiremi: Tandora, Asdioh, Vult Redux, DatHydra,

Hida is town.

-Roxy

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

@Glyph - If i can't strongly remember your stances from the top of my head at the rate i'm reading this thread, your stances are not clear or precise. With all of these new events happening, it's hard to take previous stances are solid because (especially on d1) these stances are very dynamic.

I jotted down some stuff that I found odd/wanted to comment on as I read through

Soupamario I want to have a scum read on, but honest think he's just not used to this style of mafia play. As cliche as it sounds, I think his heart is in the right place.

Gheb I'm exceptionally wary of, simply because he's a good player and I know he could probably pull the wool over my eyes very easily. But then that just starts up a whole mess of WIFOM, so I guess that's null.

Radical has raised some solid points as the game has gone by, but as far as individual posts go they rarely have provided more than a line or two worth of information. And they don't have a posting restriction, so I have to wonder why they chose to communicate through meme comics in the first place.

hidajiremi can be summed up by
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drkh0YLF8rI

DatHydra has actually done a lot of things that I saw and would have considered scummy but lucky for me those have all already been pointed out and now if I were to bring them up again it'd be "bandwagoning". I will say that I'd be okay with his lynch today.

So top two scum picks would be those last two people I s'pose.



I'm effectively asking them "who do you think is the scummiest" and "who do you think is the most town", respectively. If you're concerned with the phrasing of the question, I put it that way to give it a context. People find it easier to respond to a question when specifics are given to them. Also it prevents the "I think X is scummy but not enough that I would want to lynch them" response.

I picked those two because they were two people I wanted more information out of.

How are those questions anti-town? Had one of them claimed the role I was asking them about then sure I can see how that could be bad but since neither of them have so much as hinted at their role I don't see the harm in it.

Sorry for not taking a very clear or precise stance. As for your point about stances changing, of course they do. Doesn't take any validity away from the ones I've already made in the past though, because at the time I found them valid and right now I'm still pretty solid on them save for the Radical one since we have established that they're using pictures for the sheer sexual thrill of it.

 

[Asdioh]

Also, a fresh opinion: You can pretty much clear Tandora since she voted against me. She's made it clear to me in the past that she intends to tunnel me in any game we play in together. The whole reason I was suspicious of her in Doctor Who was that she was being too nice. Since she's reverted to form here, you can pretty much be certain that she's playing town.

Stop the presses; I spot something with my two eyes

-Roxy

what do you make of this now?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Doctor Who roles were never officially revealed. I don't see why he'd meta off of that.

 

[RoxPSI]

The problem with that excuse, is that anyone can say that and it would make some sort of sense. Yes they may be valid, but how you push that 'valid' information is very important. If someone flips town, and while one person is actively finding information, and another is doing nothing except sheeping the lynch, one person is more likely to be looked down upon for a lynch than another.

As for your reads thus far have a lot of pull back in them. after re-reading Your read on Soupamario and Dathydra are simple to say the least. Soup being a parrot of his newbie play, while Dathydra being essentially the same thing, but with an excuse included "I'm there in spirit, however re-commenting on things would be bandwagoning so I'm not going to do it.

Hida has posted new information and thoughts, and because of that I'm more leaned to think he's town at this point. You however copped out and didn't give another POV. Why? If you feel he's scum, shouldn't you be looking deeper into his posts to see why?

Also with the new vote count, it's noted that all three of your potential scum picks were never voted for (or at least not voted for at this time).

You are not pushing for more information and showing us what you've come across, you're only repasting information given by other players. Is this a valid excuse? Perhaps depending on the severity of your absence, but you're more than capable of pressing people who are out of the spotlight for information and pushing it to town. On top of this you aren't even on any of the people who you find to be lynch candidates.

@asdioh - To be perfectly honest, I think it's just the fact she's in a rush to get home. No biggie, but I felt the need to point it out. Her original vote on Hida was based on him riding the noob train; with Hida stepping it up, the vote is definitely invalid and misplaced.

-Roxy

 

[RoxPSI]

EBWOP: Just to inform, a large chunk of that post was to Glyph

 

[JTB]

unvote

just for now, I need to rethink alot, namely Soupamarios latest posts and my past stance on DH

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

The problem with that excuse, is that anyone can say that and it would make some sort of sense. Yes they may be valid, but how you push that 'valid' information is very important. If someone flips town, and while one person is actively finding information, and another is doing nothing except sheeping the lynch, one person is more likely to be looked down upon for a lynch than another.

Are you accusing me of sheeping the lynch? I have been scumhunting to the best of my ability the the time allotted to me, which is not as much as I would like but its definately there.

As for your reads thus far have a lot of pull back in them. after re-reading Your read on Soupamario and Dathydra are simple to say the least. Soup being a parrot of his newbie play, while Dathydra being essentially the same thing, but with an excuse included "I'm there in spirit, however re-commenting on things would be bandwagoning so I'm not going to do it.

They have "pull back" because I'm not positive they're scum, nor do I have enough evidence to point at them and even be pretty sure they're scum.

As for my simple stances, there wasn't anything more to say beyond what I posted. Sometimes people don't need to post a novel to get their opinion across.

Hida has posted new information and thoughts, and because of that I'm more leaned to think he's town at this point. You however copped out and didn't give another POV. Why? If you feel he's scum, shouldn't you be looking deeper into his posts to see why?

Haven't had the time, nor does it strike me as critical at the present juncture.

Also with the new vote count, it's noted that all three of your potential scum picks were never voted for (or at least not voted for at this time).

Those aren't scum picks. Those are things I found odd/wanted to comment on while I was reading through again.

You are not pushing for more information and showing us what you've come across, you're only repasting information given by other players.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12281603&postcount=364
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12282168&postcount=381
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12285306&postcount=492

Are you even reading my posts.

Is this a valid excuse? Perhaps depending on the severity of your absence, but you're more than capable of pressing people who are out of the spotlight for information and pushing it to town. On top of this you aren't even on any of the people who you find to be lynch candidates.

I am sorry I am busy but I promise I will be better soon.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Someone finally FOSes me! Reaction:

I'm not sure how I feel about you anymore. All you've shown me now is that you're dangerous, whether town or otherwise. If you're scum then you can play us pretty hard with that sudden switch, and if you're town then you've made yourself a target for mafia.
@mod: request votecount

I did this because it really makes no difference, there is no sudden 'revelation' it's just my posts will be alot more thorough and not as much questioning and playing noob cards.

You're missing the point of the question. You HAVE to shoot someone in this scenario, your reply was the exact one I was striving to avoid.

Soupamario your sudden revelation of switching from noob town play to regular (I couldn't think of a better word) is odd to me. Do you feel that your "bait" defense outweighs the noob connotation that you established? Also, if you're looking to impress people why wouldn't you play your best from the start?

Have to shoot someone right now? i would go with my vote, and if he were to flip town, i would be like "darn, that's one town down.." but other then that (unless were we in lylo or mylo) it really wouldn't matter to me, even though people will look at me suspicious, it wouldn't matter.

playing your best =/= acting your best

i was acting like i was doing my best, while still playing my best, get it?

anyways, Glyph, why are you bringing in these sudden PR questions?

what does it matter? if you were mafia, wouldn't you just go ahead and kill whoever we answered, then point the blame on us?

and really, how is it relevant?

Questions for you:
1. what concerns you so much on my answer, what are you trying to get at?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Soup I have already answered those questions, look at the exchange between Tandora and I

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Doctor Who roles were never officially revealed. I don't see why he'd meta off of that.

Because even though you can't tell what role they are, or how they are aligned, you get a good sense of how they play, simple as that.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Glyph: Requesting the post numbers, lemme get a hard look at them.

 

[RoxPSI]

Asking for the vigilante kill is the equivalent to asking the top scum pick. Asking for the doc protect is the equivalent to asking who you feel is most important to town.

-roxy

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I'm effectively asking them "who do you think is the scummiest" and "who do you think is the most town", respectively. If you're concerned with the phrasing of the question, I put it that way to give it a context. People find it easier to respond to a question when specifics are given to them. Also it prevents the "I think X is scummy but not enough that I would want to lynch them" response.

I picked those two because they were two people I wanted more information out of.

How are those questions anti-town? Had one of them claimed the role I was asking them about then sure I can see how that could be bad but since neither of them have so much as hinted at their role I don't see the harm in it.

This message is too short please type some more in here

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

(parrot)
EM mind
(parrot)

ANYWAYS.

Alright, i see.. so..why ask me the vigil question? he coulda asked anyone here, but why me? also, he asked when i was voting DatHydra, so..yeah.

Anyways, considering that i cannot shoot someone we lynch (and this is still unconfirmed) i would go with my FoS, so yes, if the rights were equal to the means, i would shoot Asdioh.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

EBWOP.

10char

 

[RoxPSI]

Your e missing the doc part of the question; pay attention and be thorough

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

seeing Tandora's contradiction, btw, that would cause me to FoS her.

however, could be a WIFOM, it's like me saying "vote X but kill Y."

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Rox, the doc question wasn't to me.

Very well, though, i would be Gheb, hands down.

i think everyone can agree with me for that one.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Stop the presses; I spot something with my two eyes

-Roxy

Tandora...if you think this why is your vote on him?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

that's like asking me why isn't my vote on Asdioh, i've learned that we still have plenty of time, and votes can change.

Red, you seem to pop in alot, what is your opnion on everything so far?

 

[hidajiremi]

Because even though you can't tell what role they are, or how they are aligned, you get a good sense of how they play, simple as that.

Came here to say that, but got beat to it. Yeah, basically this. While the roles haven't yet been revealed, I would just about bet my life at this point that Tandora was scum in that game, for reasons I've already said. Her being fixated on pushing me to my limits is very much her "town persona," while her soft-selling me in DW was a big red alert going off for me. If the DW stuff ever gets revealed, I'd really like to know if I was right or not, but right now I'm staking a lot on my read of my wife being accurate.

 

[hidajiremi]

seeing Tandora's contradiction, btw, that would cause me to FoS her.

however, could be a WIFOM, it's like me saying "vote X but kill Y."

Given the timing of her post, I'm betting that she made it at the end of her lunch break at work and just didn't think about unvoting me before she had to rush back in. Give her until this evening and she'll get around to it. Hopefully.

 

[hidajiremi]

Tandora...if you think this why is your vote on him?

As I said in my post about it, she was tunneling me back when I was low-posting and generally being obtuse. Just give her a chance to explain herself--she's at work right now, should be home in a couple of hours.