Dissidia Mafia: Over Serial Killer Wiins! ~ Told you $#!* got real!

[RoxPSI]

It seems that i can stop playing dumb town now, we've finally got people talking.

Sorry for that ruse everyone.

Holy.

****.

Did I seriously miss this?

@Soup - What was your intention of playing noob town? Start from the beginning of the game and tell me your thought-process.
-Roxy (takes fault for missing this)

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soupa, the thing that stands out to me in your 428 is that you don't vote. Is there a reason for that? If you're just waiting for a votecount, who do you intend to vote for?

I second the request for a votecount, please.

Yes, i am looking over if i really am certain for my Hydra vote, if i come to the conclusion i shall re-vote him, until then, he's my only vote.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Rox, I didn't "fluff" it up. I just tried to explain it in better detail because he mentioned that he's not involved into the game too much yet just a couple of posts before mine. Your explanation was a bit harsh / cynical and somebody who doesn't immediately grasp every concept asap might have a problem to follow it.

Well, i suppose the question is, is there anything to respond to?

any parts you agree with?

this goes for everyone too.

Don't see anything special about it that needs particular mention other than that you seem to have a solid grasp of the game. Your points on Asdioh are the only thing that's actually new but I find it hard to differentiate between new and scummy with players like JTB, Seikend, hida or RPSIvisaur because I found them all suspect at some point of the game. Asdioh could easily be one of these players but I agree that more content would be nice.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

This a large game, and last time i checked the wagon was only around 3 people. Hida, Red Ryu, and SOup were three players annoyed by his overall posting style, Smarboy made a comment that his [RFiction's] posting would potentially be anti-town and a meta-dodge (lol); this is the "wagon" you're referring to, and Soup is the only one thus far who's pulled away from this "wagon"

Actually hida pulled away from it too but thanks for clarifying. I'm just wondering why people are suddenly becoming so vocal about Radical being actually useful? Pretty sure that push wouldn't have happened if people would've spoken up so I can still see some opportunism but I'd need to look at individual players first to see who's more suspect.

More vote counts in general would really be helpful by now. At least one vote count per page should be standard and I don't think we have that many.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Holy.

****.

Did I seriously miss this?

Agreed with you that that's strange though. He seems to crack under the "he's dumb" call-outs a bit even though I maintain the opinion that he's not been dumb at all, especially since his first "smart" post seems to match his thought process from earlier.

Unvote

Time to re-evaluate.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I admit, this isn't all a master-plan, i do crack, but we all crack at times. I don't know everything, but do not play me as a fool.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Holy.

****.

Did I seriously miss this?

@Soup - What was your intention of playing noob town? Start from the beginning of the game and tell me your thought-process.
-Roxy (takes fault for missing this)

Playing noob town gives you many options later in the game, all my earlier posts are for naught, mafia can't use them against me, but i can use them against them, Many people want to point out that i was talking too much, but it got people to talk.

 

[smarboy69]

What options does it give you later in the game when you're town?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

If i really wanted to, i could just keep playing stupid, but i'd rather impress everyone my first game instead of being marked an idiot.

playing idiot makes mafia want to come after you, and then, (as i explained) you can play all that against them. ^^

playing idiot mafia is quite different, you can look stupid, and people will think "oh he's just a Vi, i see, welp moving on." and then you just eat the information you give them and try to keep playing that ruse.

 

[hidajiremi]

How do you feel currently about DatHydra?

Well, lemme see...

He opened up with an apparently random vote and an attempt to convince his target not to vote him back.

Vote: RoxPSI

if you cross vote you're scum.

This sort of arbitrary posting restriction just stifles conversation instead of contributing to it. This is followed on the next page by:

I was lurking because there was no actual content to comment on. We’ve just started the game, and other people are struggling to contribute because of your incessant questioning. It’s cool that you’re eager to play, but you need to talk less and give other people a chance to jump in and give their say.

Another attempt to stifle contribution. "Shut up and let other people talk" is unhelpful, especially if you don't include content yourself. (And I know I've not been the best at posting content myself, but I'm trying to turn that around.) He then immediately turns around and asks questions, the very thing he was getting onto RoxPSI for, rather than "giving his say." It makes it look like an attempt to get away with lurking and random voting, and then imitating the style of a prolific poster.

Then he plays the newb card for his partner

As for the amount of time its taking us to write stuff, realize that its Seik's first game and he is writing everything while I give him small corrections to make.

And as far as I can tell from my re-read, no one's called him for it. Everyone breathes down my neck about that sort of thing, but DatHydra gets a pass? Bizarre.

The next page is my first post. Quite frankly, I was stunned by how fast the whole thing moved, so I can't really get on DH's back for 3 posts in 4 pages. He was still 3 ahead of me at that point. I think I've just been used to the previous couple of games I've been in having a glacial pace, so I wasn't really expecting four pages of content in a few hours. Also, I'm guilty of not paying as much attention to the stuff before my first post as I really should have; all I can say is that I was eager to start posting, and almost immediately got frustrated at the situation, which has kept me jumping for the last day or two. Otherwise, I might have seen DH's posting style being suspicious sooner.

I am in no way calling JTB noobscum. Or maybe I am, I have completely forgotten by now.

Again, there's that noob attack I hate so much. Also, he makes a point, and then immediately negates it. He then very selectively quotes one of Soup's posts to make him look scummy, which spreads the blame around, and says

Town should not be worried about doing things that make them appear town. Ever.

which just seems weird to me. I mean, shouldn't townies be trying to look town? The whole point of the game is trying to ferret out scum, which means that the scum are trying to pretend to be town, while the town are trying to convince the other players that they are who they say they are. That involves looking like town. It's just such a nonsensical statement, I'm not sure how I missed it before.

Then Soupamario claims

you are using my inexperience to your advantage.

which is a noob claim in softer terms. Still, DH has claimed at this point that he's half noob, so maybe it cancels out? If half a noob claim worth claiming half a noob? Regardless, it's not a great defense--but it's not a very good attack either. DH says

Oh god, don't get touchy with me. My vote is not even on you are at L-5, don't start using the "I am unexperienced, you are bullying me" card already.

which isn't really what Soup was saying at all. He wasn't claiming bullying by any stretch of the imagination--so DH is trying to blow Soup's reaction out of proportion to muddy the waters further. So far, all of DH's posts have been basically non-content with the occasional accusation or "NO U" thrown in for good measure. I can only blame my fixation on RF's posting style--which still annoys me--with letting this slide past me.

Anyway, since I've stated that my policy is to never make an accusation without a vote.

Vote: DatHydra

 

[RoxPSI]

Playing noob town gives you many options later in the game, all my earlier posts are for naught, mafia can't use them against me, but i can use them against them, Many people want to point out that i was talking too much, but it got people to talk.

Here's the problem with that from my point of view. I personally just generally don't like trickery unless it comes into something like power roles where you have no choice to, but when it comes to your general gameplay thus far, it feels more like a troll trick than anything.

What do I mean by a troll trick you ask?

Spoiler

I can't shake the fact that a lot of the comments you made were merely just you being inexperienced in forum mafia, this is perfectly fine, and the fact you stepped it up is a good thing, but i don't think this was all intentionally done; especially due to a few things.

1) It could only (in the perspective of forum mafia in a community) be done once, what experience would you have had running this plan before? Has it been successful.

2) Assuming you've only played Epic mafia, which is reliant on power roles and discussion of power roles, i doubt you've had any experience running this plan there. Was your Epic Mafia true? If so I feel that your noob town trick is a lie.

3) You have yet to tell me your thought process on your posts, you usually don't miss my questions (at least i don't think so) so the fact you did now might mean you really just were playing as a newbie.

I'm f5'ing and noting that Hidajiremi has posted about DatHydra and voted; I will post again with my thoughts.

-Roxy

 

[RoxPSI]

EBWOP:

*I can't shake the fact I feel...

*...Was your epic mafia experience true...

 

[hidajiremi]

Hidajiremi - Do you still intend at this point, to continue riding the noob train? Newsflash, players that are portrayed as newbies are more likely to die via nks and lynches than smart players who make a strong effort to make connections and post stances. I hope you aren't ignoring me btw, because I remember asking you a question, In fact, i'll quote it now.

Not ignoring you--just busy getting off the train. See my previous post.

 

[hidajiremi]

Playing noob town gives you many options later in the game

Manwhat.

Newsflash, players that are portrayed as newbies are more likely to die via nks and lynches than smart players who make a strong effort to make connections and post stances.

So many people... saying different things... WHAT DO?

 

[RoxPSI]

I'm fairly content with Hida's post on DatHydra, along with comments from others on Hydra's wagon. I feel Hydra might well in fact be the play, but I'd like to look into his posts more as well as take a step back and discuss it with rPSI.

@Hidajiremi - Very good start. Please post more.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

my EM is quite true, i play all the time, and i have won in tiered lobbies multiple times, i have 4100+ points and 20+ karma.

here's the proof:
http://www.epicmafia.com/user/95882/statistics

75-60, not a bad record, eh?

1. it has been very successful in the past, if this was EM, and i were blue, i would want to be active as possible, stating my opinions, but still acting gullible, mafia sometimes slips up and decides they want to keep me for 3way lylos, then i pull this card.

2. PR's are quite important, usually the cop claims, or the mafia do, it really is all about mechanics, and what roles are in the game, i am quite knowledged with how people act as a certain role, but i don't know if that role is there, in forum mafia.

3. I'm getting to that, it's a really big post. XD

 

[hidajiremi]

Also, a fresh opinion: You can pretty much clear Tandora since she voted against me. She's made it clear to me in the past that she intends to tunnel me in any game we play in together. The whole reason I was suspicious of her in Doctor Who was that she was being too nice. Since she's reverted to form here, you can pretty much be certain that she's playing town.

 

[hidajiremi]

@Hidajiremi - Very good start. Please post more.

Thanks. I'm trying. My posting frequency is probably going to drop off for the next few hours, though. We just got busy at work, so I need to focus on that for a while. I just wanted to work on getting something solid together first.

Just so everyone's clear on my schedule, here are the times you can expect detailed posts or multiple posts from me:
8am-10am EST
3pm-5pm EST

Between working full-time and going to school full-time, I really don't have much more time than that. I'll try to post more solid content during those times than I have been.

 

[hidajiremi]

And on the principle I've heard a couple of mafia players put forward, that you should never let a compliment pass without question, if you're content with my post on DH, what's you full stance on him right now? You haven't said a word about him in the last four pages or so, despite pressuring me about him.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

hida, i'm getting to that also.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Finally responding to the 3. question:

It's all about the metagaming.

I looked at everyone's profiles, or past games, if there were a hydra i just looked seperately.

I think my actions clear up everything, i buddied with Gheb at first, while still having some fisticuffs with him to see if he was as good as i thought he was; he has not dissapointed me at all.

anyways, i used some pre-metas myself, "I AM A WIFOMER" etc. etc.

JTB and RFiction don't matter, they just voted me because i NL'ed, i don't take it as much.

Asdioh was first to take this bait, voting me stating "i sense some WIFOM going on." #114
Hydra then decided he thought he could use me in his #119.

i think you guys know the rest, and i will explain all this with hida's too.

The rest i have explained, the RF stance, the gheb stance, etc. etc.

i still have yet to re-evaluate my Hydra vote yet.

 

[Purple]

oh gosh darnit

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

To Rox: are you antiximo?

 

[RoxPSI]

my EM is quite true, i play all the time, and i have won in tiered lobbies multiple times, i have 4100+ points and 20+ karma.

here's the proof:
http://www.epicmafia.com/user/95882/statistics

75-60, not a bad record, eh?

1. it has been very successful in the past, if this was EM, and i were blue, i would want to be active as possible, stating my opinions, but still acting gullible, mafia sometimes slips up and decides they want to keep me for 3way lylos, then i pull this card.

2. PR's are quite important, usually the cop claims, or the mafia do, it really is all about mechanics, and what roles are in the game, i am quite knowledged with how people act as a certain role, but i don't know if that role is there, in forum mafia.

3. I'm getting to that, it's a really big post. XD

Is it bad that I actually can see this working relatively well? . But the problem is this is forum mafia, players play certain ways in EM because of the fact that there's a lack of thought already, and no one ever has to think, so no one has any reason to improve or change their way of play. On top of this, cops have to claim or mafias have to claim, because they know what's in the setup, since EM is usually open setups.

@hida I feel he's definitely a top candidate for the play today, however with players like Glyph/Smarboy(not as strong of an extent, but still an extent) still lacking in any content, I'd like to get information from them before stamping my vote on him.

Actually, I take that back, I feel his vote on him is well justified. Checked the votecount and more people need to be aware of him.

IGMEO Three people, Glyph for lack of content, Vult for lack of content, Smarboy69 for lack of content.

I hope to also see information Tandora on the validity of Hida's statement.

Yes Soup, I am Antiximo

-Roxy

 

[RoxPSI]

EBWOP: vote: DatHydra

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Vote DatHydra again. Should be -3 now. Nobody vote before we get a vote count please.

Soup, you're making it unnecessarily hard to trust you now. How can we take anything you say at face value when 3 days later you claim that all your earlier posts are "for naught"? Not only is it hard to just act as if you never said anything but even if it *was* possible I'd still find it hard to believe. Why'd you want us to second guess your stances?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

To elaborate: have you not considered that the positive may not outweigh the negative here? You say mafia can't use your arguments against you [which is far from true] but if anything it's the *town* that can't use anything you say *for* you. I think the latter applies much more than the former.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

My evulation on DH is this:

I think he is town, i believe he wanted to test me, or that he knew he could play me.

his first two posts aren't really his downfall to me, it's when i fight back that i really start to the scum in him.

He questions me: do i think he is the big bad villian? am i scum?

Why would he need to question me this? any answer i get, it doesn't work for me, if i went YEAH YOU'RE SCUM, then he can simply use it against me seeing how i already had votes on me, if i said "yeah you're town" then i couldn't get any more information out of him, he woulda backed off.

he did back off for a couple of posts but..

in my #181, i reference him again, and he comes back in #183, with another stupid question.

"Does that bother you? Do you think my wagon had enough substance to warrant more votes? Why are you so adverse to JTB attention?"

even though i was acting noob town, some of those opnions are mine right now, such as my #185.

#187 he contradicts himself, he says not to be caught up on my NL thing, but he votes JTB for it?
that makes no sense..at all.

#188 completley forget? wasn't that your main point? what about you saying not to worry about the NL thing, yet you are still calling JTB scum?

#192 "Did you just claim scum?"

what is this all about? RFiction also sums up my feelings towards this in his #230.

#195-#196. same about this.

Page 14-15 i pressure them back, and he begins to back off stating "BUT I SAID YOU ARE TOWN STOP VOTING ME D:"

later on..

#304 I think he finally backs of JTB, after realizing if he kept pushing onto it, nothing was going to happen.

i feel some sincerity in this post, and it makes me null on him again.

#309 he says he saw me keeping the vote on him as pressure, when in fact, he made me vote him, contradicting, no?

#310-#311
I'm about to seal the deal.

#313
He begins to struggle, i feel that the glimpse of sincerity is nothing by now, still defending himself with what he has already said.

my conclusion is final: he does not show any effort to see things from others' perspectives, and he is quite arrogant in defending himself.

Vote:DatHydra

 

[RoxPSI]

My evulation on DH is this:

I think he is town

Vote:DatHydra

I'm sorry but.. what?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

My evulation on DH is this:

I think he is town, i believe he wanted to test me, or that he knew he could play me.
I'm about to seal the deal.

[...]

my conclusion is final: he does not show any effort to see things from others' perspectives, and he is quite arrogant in defending himself.

[...]

Vote:DatHydra

Ughghghghghg FoS Soup

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Epic Ninja right there...

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vote DatHydra again. Should be -3 now. Nobody vote before we get a vote count please.

Soup, you're making it unnecessarily hard to trust you now. How can we take anything you say at face value when 3 days later you claim that all your earlier posts are "for naught"? Not only is it hard to just act as if you never said anything but even if it *was* possible I'd still find it hard to believe. Why'd you want us to second guess your stances?

To elaborate: have you not considered that the positive may not outweigh the negative here? You say mafia can't use your arguments against you [which is far from true] but if anything it's the *town* that can't use anything you say *for* you. I think the latter applies much more than the former.

I'm sorry, Gheb, i'd rather come clean then just keep playing noob town, but i am still sincere in all my posts, i just act dumb about it.

I wanted you to second guess because i wanted to see what people would read on me, i felt like i needed to stop playing for everyone, and start playing for myself, the constant dumb town aggravated me.

2nd quote:
I was thinking EM here, these games much longer then EM, i did not think about the consequences, but i am more then prepared to take them on.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I did this in a manual way, i thought about what i really felt about Hydra while i made my post, i contradict myself alot, but my choice is final, i hope you can see that i talk to myself a little, through and through.

 

[RoxPSI]

Before you bring it up. The difference between me voting you even though I felt you were town and you voting Hydra even though you feel he's town, is that at my time period of doing it there were no scum picks fmpov, now that there are scum picks, I am not inclined to vote you.

However, with this comment on getting townHydra(from your point of view) to l-2 now, is throwing some red flags here. What about Asdioh? Who you feel is scummy? Are you just hopping on the bandwagon just because? You just said Hydra had a 60/50 on the scum meter, now he's town from your point of view?

uuuugh

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

question: is it because i don't quote some things, i put the number of what i am saying my opnion about, i just didn't quote it. :X

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm sorry but.. what?

Before you bring it up. The difference between me voting you even though I felt you were town and you voting Hydra even though you feel he's town, is that at my time period of doing it there were no scum picks fmpov, now that there are scum picks, I am not inclined to vote you.

However, with this comment on getting townHydra(from your point of view) to l-2 now, is throwing some red flags here. What about Asdioh? Who you feel is scummy? Are you just hopping on the bandwagon just because? You just said Hydra had a 60/50 on the scum meter, now he's town from your point of view?

uuuugh

i said in the beggining of my post (as if i were talking to you) i think he WAS town.

if you read it, i change my opnion about it, alright?

my FOS is still on Asdioh, but he has still not said anything, and i think everyone is in agreement with a DH lynch, so why not vote him?

it's like in EM where you state your FOS'es before the end of the day, but you still vote.

 

[RoxPSI]

I read it as 'you think he's town at this very moment' not that you thought he was town 'but now's not the case'

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm sorry, Gheb, i'd rather come clean then just keep playing noob town, but i am still sincere in all my posts, i just act dumb about it.

The question is why you chose to play like that to begin with? I don't see how your play has gotten any smarter since your "revelation" ... quite on the contrary. Your stances are a lot more questionable to me now and your hasty L-2 vote [when I clearly noted to not vote before we get a vote count] show that you are less cautious now than you used to be before.

I wanted you to second guess because i wanted to see what people would read on me, i felt like i needed to stop playing for everyone, and start playing for myself, the constant dumb town aggravated me.

But when you say you were playing dumb on purpose, can you really blame the town for being dumb? If I play scummy on purpose as a townie and get lynched for it I can't tell them that *they* have been dumb.

question: is it because i don't quote some things, i put the number of what i am saying my opnion about, i just didn't quote it. :X

That's not a question? I have no idea what you're trying to get at.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

ehh..i had bad wording too, offtopic but, how do i hyperlink, that would be really, really helpful.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

my FOS is still on Asdioh, but he has still not said anything, and i think everyone is in agreement with a DH lynch, so why not vote him?

Because we got plenty of time left toDay ... deadline's on the 9th and it's the 2nd today. That's a whole week we have time for other people to finally get talking. If you want people to start talking more then ending the day with a lynch so soon would be counterproductive.