Dissidia Mafia: Over Serial Killer Wiins! ~ Told you $#!* got real!

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'd like to call bs on this comment for a moment. You've played with me three times before, and in two of those games I've played completely different, one of them I went as far as to straight up troll the entire time.

I have no idea what you mean when you say "Roxy is Roxy", merely because I strive to play better/different in each game when things are serious.

This is just a simple way (To me at least) to pull away from actually giving reads, and instead just posting fluff. "Roxy is playing typical Roxy play" gives no one else in town an actual idea of your stance; To put it simply, you're posting more and more fluff each post you make, and I (roxy) don't like it.

Where is the consistency between my other games and this one? You're giving no examples of where I (roxy) have been consistent in my gameplay in multiple games; Kuz has played with me in two different games, Swiss in one, yet neither of them have agreed with your statement (or perhaps they just skimmed it, either or).

If you're going to pull meta, it would be nice if you could tell us where this is consistent.

Also, I've only seen you play once with Kuz, I find it hard to believe you completely understand TownKuz after one game.

Give examples of consistency or I'd treat your messages as fluff. rPSI personally feels your town-null read is a hint at buddying, I just feel it's a lack of trying to get a good read.

You troll and hide in the background usually, that's Roxy play. It's like Air being skimming and not reading, it's exspected. This however is a surpise.

And 2 games, not just one for Kuzi, he's stayed consistent with them in my eyes.

 

[smarboy69]

So Hida's gonna ride the noob card (even though he freakin lives with somebody whose WHOLE FAMILY plays mafia) all game and call Radical out on posting comics? Nah not gonna slide.

FoS Hida

I'll post lots a content eventually. When I'm off of V/LA.

 

[Vult Redux]

Vult: I’d like your thoughts on either RoxPSI or Tandora. You can pick.

My reads on them aren't really developed. I haven't looked at Rox at all except to answer some questions he directed at me.

When I found out that Tandora has voted Hida before his super scummy vote, I looked into it and was disappointed.

you also quoted only a part of my post directed towards. Not sure whether I like that or not.

o.

Does that mean I didn't answer something you wanted to know? (If yes, reask please.)

And you're going to whine about it with vagueness and sarcasm rather than outright say it's scummy and/or ask for a clarification?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Soupamario: Pretend you're a Vig, and you've got to shoot someone right now. Based off of everyone's posts thus far, who do you take out? Why?

hidajiremi: Same question, but lets say you're Doc instead. Who would you protect tonight?

RadicalFiction: Do you mind copying the text portion of your images into the posts themselves below the image? Just as a failsafe against an imgur crash, and as a means of actually searching your posts later on.

@mod: Could this apply retroactively if they agree to it?

 

[Asdioh]

@Asdioh: Please do not post screen shots of anykind. (I'm refering to your #273).

Oops, I forgot that rule (even though I don't quite understand why not)
Oh well, I got my point across.

I'm going to reread the whole thread now since it's still fairly short.

 

[Asdioh]

@Glyph: what are your current top two scumpicks?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I wouldn't really say I have any major scumpicks right now (looking back on the thread I don't remember much at all, I'll admit).

Let me read through it again and hopefully I'll retain some more information this time.

 

[Asdioh]

I wouldn't really say I have any major scumpicks right now (looking back on the thread I don't remember much at all, I'll admit).

Let me read through it again and hopefully I'll retain some more information this time.

I look forward to it

 

[smarboy69]

Asdioh, I don't think you answered yet why you're choosing to do ISOs of players with fewer than 400 posts in the game so far. It looks like you're doing a lot of reading and rereading and not a lot of scumhunting - your posts are a lot of information and not many conclusions. Who are your top scumpicks? Is it still Glyph and Red Ryu? I assume your FOS on Ryu was for lack of content, but you didn't mention Glyph at all in the post where you did ISOs and FOSed him - why does he make you suspicious?

 

[RoxPSI]

Yes, I look forward to it as well.

 

[JTB]

FoS Hida

Not voting hida just yet because I want to see how he reacts to the pressure put on him by the others already voting him.

As for Soupamario, I'm mainly curious on the timing of his last post:

not really gonna go V/LA, but i will not be as active as i was, sorry.

This alone means nothing, real life issues happen and it's impossible to foresee when one might have to take a break from the game. However, what really intrigues me are the few posts before this.

He begins by voting Radical Fiction for pressure in #245, then begins a 1v1 conversation with RF (I won't post each reply, it's all on the same page if you are using 40ppp). RF shoots down his claims and asks him to provide actual posts rather than blatant(tent? I don't even know) accusations.

However, Soupamario completely ignores him. The only mention of RF in his next post is:

I voted RFiction for pressure, much like why people have been voting me.

But where was the pressure? Where was the followup to RF asking (Soupamario) to provide evidence to his claims? He had plenty of time to respond to Gheb and Roxy, as well as post his thoughts on me, but he didn't keep pressuring the person he was voting for?

My thoughts: he is attempting to lurk after his failed confrontation with RF. I know that he didn't mean inactive in the sense of "I won't be posting as much but I'll be keeping up with the thread" because he hasn't been online since he made his last post, so he more than likely logged out immediately and went to lurking the thread as a guest until he gets called out again.

Vote Soupamario

 

[Tandora]

Soupamario: Pretend you're a Vig, and you've got to shoot someone right now. Based off of everyone's posts thus far, who do you take out? Why?

hidajiremi: Same question, but lets say you're Doc instead. Who would you protect tonight?

RadicalFiction: Do you mind copying the text portion of your images into the posts themselves below the image? Just as a failsafe against an imgur crash, and as a means of actually searching your posts later on.

@mod: Could this apply retroactively if they agree to it?

Glyph, why those particular players with those particular roles? What information do you hope to get from it? How are these not anti-town questions?

 

[Radical Fiction]

RadicalFiction: Do you mind copying the text portion of your images into the posts themselves below the image? Just as a failsafe against an imgur crash, and as a means of actually searching your posts later on.

 

[RoxPSI]

My thoughts: he is attempting to lurk after his failed confrontation with RF. I know that he didn't mean inactive in the sense of "I won't be posting as much but I'll be keeping up with the thread" because he hasn't been online since he made his last post, so he more than likely logged out immediately and went to lurking the thread as a guest until he gets called out again.

How in the world are any of us supposed to be able to prove that that's exactly what he's doing?

I can see your point about pulling away from fighting with Radical Fiction, because it's true, however I feel that Soup's reasoning for pushing at him is common with a lot of players' reasoning, the fact that he's using pictures instead of actual content (hida and Red Ryu are two other examples of this).

I don't feel that this is something Soup would do, there's damn near 8 days left, if that was the case when is he going to come back? As soon as a wagon starts on someone else? After everyone forgets? Like.. what? That's a huge claim to make, why can't he just be away like other players are?

-Roxy

 

[RoxPSI]

You troll and hide in the background usually, that's Roxy play. It's like Air being skimming and not reading, it's exspected. This however is a surpise.

When have I trolled at all during this game? Why is this suddenly a surprise? It is apparent you don't have an actual read on me in this game.

FoS: Red Ryu

-Roxy

 

[Asdioh]

Asdioh, I don't think you answered yet why you're choosing to do ISOs of players with fewer than 400 posts in the game so far. It looks like you're doing a lot of reading and rereading and not a lot of scumhunting - your posts are a lot of information and not many conclusions. Who are your top scumpicks? Is it still Glyph and Red Ryu? I assume your FOS on Ryu was for lack of content, but you didn't mention Glyph at all in the post where you did ISOs and FOSed him - why does he make you suspicious?

Well, when I said I was doing a reread, I hadn't quoted you but that was basically your answer. Instead of doing isos (I guess it's too early to do them and have a reason for it) I'm rereading as we speak. I'm going to do it slowly, and quote people and probably point out a bunch of useless crap.

Glyph and Red Ryu were because they were inactive. FoS belongs more at RR at the moment than Glyph. I do legitimately have interest in what Glyph has to say because when I've played with him in the past it was... interesting, to say the least.

I'll get back with scumpicks later but for now the two people that currently have the most votes (one of whom I'm also voting for) are my top scumpicks I think.

 

[JTB]

Where did Red Ryu use the same reasoning as Soup? RR's last post about RF was

Radicals posts still annoy me, but I'll let it go since like Gheb is saying, he is posting content, he's just using pictures instead of words which is fine to express his points. IT's not scummy in itself so I got a null atm.

As for Hida, everyone can see the situation he is in. However, Hida has not claimed V/LA, so I expect to see his thoughts on his situation soon.

And you are right, it is impossible to prove that he is lurking instead of posting. I just feel like his conversation with RF placed him in a pretty bad light and instead of trying to resolve it, he ignores it and goes on to post on a completely different matter.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I jotted down some stuff that I found odd/wanted to comment on as I read through

Soupamario I want to have a scum read on, but honest think he's just not used to this style of mafia play. As cliche as it sounds, I think his heart is in the right place.

Gheb I'm exceptionally wary of, simply because he's a good player and I know he could probably pull the wool over my eyes very easily. But then that just starts up a whole mess of WIFOM, so I guess that's null.

Radical has raised some solid points as the game has gone by, but as far as individual posts go they rarely have provided more than a line or two worth of information. And they don't have a posting restriction, so I have to wonder why they chose to communicate through meme comics in the first place.

hidajiremi can be summed up by
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drkh0YLF8rI

DatHydra has actually done a lot of things that I saw and would have considered scummy but lucky for me those have all already been pointed out and now if I were to bring them up again it'd be "bandwagoning". I will say that I'd be okay with his lynch today.

So top two scum picks would be those last two people I s'pose.

Glyph, why those particular players with those particular roles? What information do you hope to get from it? How are these not anti-town questions?

I'm effectively asking them "who do you think is the scummiest" and "who do you think is the most town", respectively. If you're concerned with the phrasing of the question, I put it that way to give it a context. People find it easier to respond to a question when specifics are given to them. Also it prevents the "I think X is scummy but not enough that I would want to lynch them" response.

I picked those two because they were two people I wanted more information out of.

How are those questions anti-town? Had one of them claimed the role I was asking them about then sure I can see how that could be bad but since neither of them have so much as hinted at their role I don't see the harm in it.

 

[Radical Fiction]

What part of "for the hell of it" is so hard to grasp?

 

[smarboy69]

Asdioh, that's still not an answer. Why do you need to reread at all at this point in the game, and even if you do feel the need to reread, why do it in iso where you miss out on context instead of just reading the thread? As for FOSing inactives, the game thread has been open for what, 48 hours now?

Also, do you have a reason to be suspicious of Hida/DatHydra, or are you just sheeping?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

In a game where motive means pretty much everything "for the hell of it" is a hard reason to swallow.

Also, why would you not be willing to copy the text below the images? Surely typing a sentence twice wouldn't be much harder than typing it once.

 

[smarboy69]

Glyph - given the players involved, I totally believe that "for the hell of it" is a big part of why they're doing it. "Because we can" is probably another part, and "Because it annoys people" is probably another bit. If they're scum, "Because it makes us hard to read" is probably well down on the list.

Ryker has a history of posting in pictures only. Swiss has a history of messing with his posting style for the hell of it. The more you complain, the less likely they're going to stop.

 

[Radical Fiction]

It defeats the purpose.

Note that I spent four forevers looking for a pic that covered the subject, but failed.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Ryker has a history of posting in pictures only. Swiss has a history of messing with his posting style for the hell of it. The more you complain, the less likely they're going to stop.

 

[Asdioh]

Asdioh, that's still not an answer. Why do you need to reread at all at this point in the game, and even if you do feel the need to reread, why do it in iso where you miss out on context instead of just reading the thread? As for FOSing inactives, the game thread has been open for what, 48 hours now?

Also, do you have a reason to be suspicious of Hida/DatHydra, or are you just sheeping?

short term memory I guess.

I'm pretty sure I gave my reason for voting Hina. I don't even know if there were other votes on him at the time. "Hey Rfiction is posting in pictures he's scum"
No.

I was doing isos just to get a feel for the players. Like I said, I'm unfamiliar with the majority of the people in here, especially with hydras being in. (first game with hydras)
It was very hard to remember what anybody unfamiliar to me had posted.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Omg, I see you there Smar. Respond.

 

[smarboy69]

You weren't half of the hydra that did this in Halo?

 

[smarboy69]

and fer cryin out loud, I'm posting and cooking at the same time. I had to pull something out of the oven.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Moriarty? I didn't really play Halo. I played a little the first day and replaced out.

 

[smarboy69]

Sorry, then. Get rid of the part about a history of doing this. However, the rest is true.

 

[Radical Fiction]

I see..........

 

[Asdioh]

Reading through and trying to write my thoughts down as I go.

By voting no lynch, we are unable to get reactions from people we are voting, so it's pretty difficult to get reads if no one is being pressured.

Vote Soupamario

Familiarize yourself with the background of players before making sweeping statements. Soupamario has clearly mentioned that his mafia experience is based on Epic Mafia, where no lynching on Day 1 is not uncommon. A bandwagon on Day 1 is fine but you're ought to provide better reasoning than that.

(I know this is old, but)
Gheb responds to JTB saying he made "sweeping statements" and needs to provide better reasoning. These are some of the first few posts in the game, and he seems to think right away that JTB is bandwagoning and assumes everybody knows what Epic Mafia is (I don't lol)
Better reasoning during RVS, where he voted Soupa with good-enough reasoning already supplied, due to how little content there was at the time? What other reasoning could he provide, hmm?
My point here is that JTB retracting his statements and becoming defensive is sensible, considering how aggressive Gheb was over so little.

Where can I find more of these mafia-related comics xD

He's making them himself, you ******.

I'm curious about Radical's posts, is it safe to assume that he is only allowed to post pictures (except when voting)? If so, what can that show about his role?

i think (and it's just a theory) that Radical is an important role, limited to his imagination for challenge.

^ Then they look scummy, but from my view now it's just a dumb town mistake



Thoughts at roughly ~150 posts in: whether Gheb and Soupa are scum or not, I am sure they are not both scum. Null on DatHydra at this time.

Does anyone else feel like Radical Fiction latched onto something really good with JTB [see posts 70 and 84], but wasn't thorough with his attack at all and dropped it really quickly to jump on DatHydra without any sort of explanation (earlier in the game he was consistent with giving his stances though humor/pictures).

Looking back, I don't think it was really good. I can see now why JTB was so defensive with someone like Gheb getting on his *** right off the bat.


I still feel that RoxPSI's first posts were legitimate, they were against Soupamario and talked about potentially outing PRs etc.
His stance makes sense to me and just doesn't feel scummy.

If people from the Radical wagon would switch to Hydra / Hida we'd have two pretty solid wagons at this stage. Rox, I still don't agree with your reasoning and think your vote on smar is misplaced and doesn't help a lot. Glyph / Ryu and JTB would be good off starting to taking a stance so we can get this Day fully rolling by now.

I agree with this.

FoS Hida

Not voting hida just yet because I want to see how he reacts to the pressure put on him by the others already voting him.

As for Soupamario, I'm mainly curious on the timing of his last post:



This alone means nothing, real life issues happen and it's impossible to foresee when one might have to take a break from the game. However, what really intrigues me are the few posts before this.

He begins by voting Radical Fiction for pressure in #245, then begins a 1v1 conversation with RF (I won't post each reply, it's all on the same page if you are using 40ppp). RF shoots down his claims and asks him to provide actual posts rather than blatant(tent? I don't even know) accusations.

However, Soupamario completely ignores him. The only mention of RF in his next post is:



But where was the pressure? Where was the followup to RF asking (Soupamario) to provide evidence to his claims? He had plenty of time to respond to Gheb and Roxy, as well as post his thoughts on me, but he didn't keep pressuring the person he was voting for?

My thoughts: he is attempting to lurk after his failed confrontation with RF. I know that he didn't mean inactive in the sense of "I won't be posting as much but I'll be keeping up with the thread" because he hasn't been online since he made his last post, so he more than likely logged out immediately and went to lurking the thread as a guest until he gets called out again.

Vote Soupamario

Interesting, but I don't feel either of them (Soupa/RF) is scum.

Glyph, why those particular players with those particular roles? What information do you hope to get from it? How are these not anti-town questions?

Good question.

Where did Red Ryu use the same reasoning as Soup? RR's last post about RF was

Yes but that's easy for him to say as nobody can really deny that Rfiction is posting content.

I jotted down some stuff that I found odd/wanted to comment on as I read through

Soupamario I want to have a scum read on, but honest think he's just not used to this style of mafia play. As cliche as it sounds, I think his heart is in the right place.

I can agree.

Gheb I'm exceptionally wary of, simply because he's a good player and I know he could probably pull the wool over my eyes very easily. But then that just starts up a whole mess of WIFOM, so I guess that's null.

Agreed.

Radical has raised some solid points as the game has gone by, but as far as individual posts go they rarely have provided more than a line or two worth of information. And they don't have a posting restriction, so I have to wonder why they chose to communicate through meme comics in the first place.

For the lulz.

hidajiremi can be summed up by
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drkh0YLF8rI

The things you don't notice despite watching Star Wars repeatedly. And agreed.

DatHydra has actually done a lot of things that I saw and would have considered scummy but lucky for me those have all already been pointed out and now if I were to bring them up again it'd be "bandwagoning". I will say that I'd be okay with his lynch today.

So top two scum picks would be those last two people I s'pose.

Asdioh confidence +1




Top scumpicks, from scummiest to least scummy: Hida, Red Ryu, DatHydra. My vote is already on Hida.

 

[Asdioh]

Hopefully somebody can follow my train of thought better than I can because right now I'm just feeling @_@ after reading all that and trying to remember everyone's stances on everyone and trying to figure out who is scummy. Does this come with practice? :x

@Glyph: thoughts on me and Red Ryu?
@Gheb: same question, and scumpicks besides DatHydra? (sorry, I can't remember, despite just reading all that x_x)

 

[Asdioh]

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Gonna wait for Hida to post before I do anything with my vote. Same with Hydra, I want to see another post from him first.

@Hydra: Opinions on Gheb?
@Hida: Same with you.

 

[JTB]

 

[Tandora]

You know, I just went to the page where you make those comics. I dare say it's more effort to make one than simply post what your thinking.

Glyph, I like your answers to my questions. Thanks for answering them.

My paranoia originates in that I was cop in Bioware and someone (I forget who) asked me if i was the cop who would I investigate and why. I answered truthfully but then intentionally investigated differently that I originally planned so as to not be easily tracked on NK by my own words.

However, my expression was very much THEY KNOW!!! when I was asked that. Simply put if you accidently did target the doc and vig appropriately, it could give scum additional information that is not necessarily helpful for town. Hope that explains my concern a little.

As much fun as the meme comics are and as much as I've laughed at them, let's not get too overboard with them. I've gotten to where I really don't mind if RF wants to do it that way, but if lots of people start, it really could be hell later for ISOs.

Also, I noticed that asdioh got some flack for doing an ISO. I did one for JTB, did that bother people?

 

[smarboy69]

Tandora - you've done things other than post "I'm going to reread now" and "I did an ISO". Those have been the majority of Asdioh's contributions, hence the questioning.

 

[DatHydra]

Got a fair bit of catching up to do.

I'm just quickly responding to any posts directed at me, and then I'll do a proper read of the last few pages. If I missed anything I'll respond to it in a second post.

DatHydra, buddying is a bit of a vague term because we all kind of have our own definition on when it becomes "buddying". I don't feel like anybody has been buddying me; as for you I feel buddyish vibes coming from RoxPSI [answering questions pointed towards you before you did] and Tandora but that could be just my general impression of your social "my SWF husbando" interaction. More concerned with Rox based on that but my read on him depends a lot on your alignment so I can't really do much with it atm.

Buddying to me is to side with a person, rather than with their arguments, to get them to see you in a positive light.

I was unsure if RoxPSI was simply agreeing with my points earlier, or buddying. It's not something to actively pursue at the moment I feel, but something to consider.

Tandora isn't worth considering, that would purely be the husband and wife thing.

Just curious @DatHydra, is there any specific reason as to why you ask about you and me only?

Our exchange was a significant part of that day, and many people had given their views of the exchange. I felt it was a good place to look.

I agree with the "having to clear my name" part, because that is not the Kuzitown that I'm used to at all. With only ~2 votes on him he would probably just ignore and disregard it. Then again, we're not dealing with just Kuz because this is a hydra so that can't really tell me much :|

It's true that he didn't vote Soupamario though, he votes roxPSI during RVS and then JTB.

Any Kuz meta isn't worth anything at this point. He is V/LA currently. It is just Sei playing.

Gonna wait for Hida to post before I do anything with my vote. Same with Hydra, I want to see another post from him first.

@Hydra: Opinions on Gheb?

I'll come back to this once I've caught up.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Does that mean I didn't answer something you wanted to know? (If yes, reask please.)

And you're going to whine about it with vagueness and sarcasm rather than outright say it's scummy and/or ask for a clarification?

I was neither sarcastic, nor more vague than you were:

Vult, you claimed to have a feeling that Radical was onto something "really good" but then he backed off. What exactly is the scummy part of that ... where exactly lies your problem with Radical?

As Town I would have expected that he not move on as quickly especially if he was you were going to focus on DayHydra (you voted before him), or at the very least, he continue pushing JTB as opposed to letting him drop off the map so easily.

I feel like there it's more likely Scum-motivated than Town. IMO: wrecking associations between him and JTB/Hydra.

That's the part where you respond to my points.

Vult, you claimed to have a feeling that Radical was onto something "really good" but then he backed off. What exactly is the scummy part of that? Since you agree with me that pressuring JTB wouldn't have given us a lot to work with you're ought to give us a better reason to vote Radical than that. I don't understand your stance either way - if JTB's posts actually were scummy he would've been more suspect than Radical but if since we don't assume them to be scummy where exactly lies your problem with Radical?

And this is the whole post. Out of that you only responded to what's in bold, whereas you leave out the rest - the how and the why - from my post.
My issue: You say "JTB's actions weren't scummy" but at the same time Radical "was onto something good". To me that's a contradiction:

Do you think JTB's actions weren't scummy? Then what "good" was Radical getting at and why is it a problem if he backs off?
Do you think JTB's action were scummy? If so why is Radical your main target over JTB now?

You're leaving that part out of your answer and just answer one part [Radical is scummy] but not the other [how is he scummy if JTB isn't?] and wish you'd make it a bit clearer.