Dissidia Mafia: Over Serial Killer Wiins! ~ Told you $#!* got real!

[#HBC | ѕoup]

These have all been hilarious, but I still have to wonder what's up with this. A posting restriction? Or trying to avoid deep discussion by convincing the rest of us you have a posting restriction?

Also, it seems to me that DatHydra is pounding on Soupamario pretty hard, even after accepting that he has solid (if newbie) reasons for making his posts. Is it an attempt to teach a new forum mafia player through hardship, or is it tunneling without voting? I could see "I'm not voting you and I think you might be town... but here are all these reasons why you're playing badly and anyone else should think you're hiding something" go either way. I'm also not convinced that Soupamario's plays are entirely newbie town plays, since he's got a background in other kinds of mafia. A no-lynch vote, maybe; but the rest of it seems suspicious to me. Definite FOS from me.

Kuz's post were simply to prod me, if you could not see that then i'm not sure if you cannot see your hand in front of your face.

my read on Hydra is simply this: Opportunistic, a pusher, and a lurker.

his posts consist of continual questioning and pushing down on someone's weak points.

this can either be a town play, or a mafia play, just because someone is aggressive doesn't mean they are scum, i can be quite aggressive myself, if you see page 15.

I think Hydra/Kuz are trying too hard though, they ramble themselves in almost every post they make, either it be a silly excuse, or trying to change the subject with a question.

 

[RoxPSI]

Hello everyone, Roxy here.

It's a bit early for me to be posting, I know. But I feel with the surge of activty moving along that I need to get some information out there for the sake of showing my views on players. At this point it's obvious how I feel about Soupamario, however I want to make a response to Gheb's FoS while it's still relatively in taste. This is all a post by me, but some of the thoughts have been discussed between me and rPSI; i'm just further clarifying them.

Just because I didn't "directly" state it doesn't mean it's not obvious... etc

I was originally going to counter jab at this, but you do bring up a good point; how exactly does Kuz understand that the conversation holds no merit if he's not reading? Easy, it's called skimming, which is what you're accusing him of doing in the first place.

The way I personally see it is that he skimmed which gave him the basis of the subject (Soupamario's EM habits, you IC'ing, Soupamario acting accordingly, etc. ). None of this holds any particular merit from a scumhunting perspective, it only shows that Soupamario quickly understood what you were saying and showed it by voting you. However by skimming he also missed strong details (read: the questions he asked you).

I'd also like to point out that you've answered to an accusation not only not directed towards at you but also one that the target chose to *not* answer to at all. I can't help but find this odd, especially when I look at the next part of your post:

You shouldn't find me answering an accusation odd at all Gheb; seeing something that doesn't make sense to you and calling it out is something that should be done often correct? We feel your reasoning behind the vote had merit, however needed more justification, especially with how fast the wagon on it built up (to the point of l-3). We are unsure as to why DatHydra did not respond to your accusation.*


* - this post was written earlier today, and DatHydra has already responded to Gheb.

Are you even aware of how scummy you are? Not only do you commit to lynch a player you openly state to not have a scum read on but you also use some extremely weak justification.

This is definitely bs Gheb. Soupamario is a weak player (this can be argued, but his inexperience with forum mafia makes him weaker than most), he's already began PR discussion which is a big no-no (he has done this twice; noting the possibility of a PR), and is making social connections, which is problematic when it comes to trying to pinpoint mafia, due to the fact you become emotionally attached to people in game and it clouds judgment. This is literally the first (well, second to the no lynch, but let's get away from that) thing he did this game and it's showing through what he said about DatHydra and how he portrayed it.

You have absolutely no business calling him a detriment. His cautious play so far [which you have blatantly misconstrued btw - he's pretty intractable against my lead in contrast to what you're claiming

He is playing in -no- way cautious, as you can read here

Honestly, i see your point, i have been way too talkative and too assertive towards everything.

If he seriously was strongly against your lead, why did he move away from your vote and vote Hydra soon afterwards?

When gheb voted Kuz, i bw'ed and radical did too.

i only bw'ed because i thought Gheb made good points, and kuz did not yet talk to me, and honestly, i stay strong with kuz being scum.

From the context of how he posted his vote on you in the first place, I have reason to believe that his vote (along with your comments from then on) were in light regard initially, and that chances are he didn't even mean his vote as much as would be expected, even with his later explanation.

Vote: Unvote No Lynch Vote: Gheb_01

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lol, I see what you did there ;P

has shown good judgment over the situation and his "disgust" against kuz is justified as well.

Sure, it's justified if your information is solid, and in your personal view it is justified, but he hasn't commented on Hydra much at all, only sheeped off of your information.

Your only basis of calling him a detriment is your very subjective interpretation of how mafia is played.

I feel that my interpretation of how mafia should be played is still solid by any means. If he begins to improve and is of help to town, then I see no reason for him to die whatsoever, but right now with him searching for roles, having generally social conversation with you, etc. I find that his view on who's scummy and who's not will be impaired, and that his judgment will be clouded and detrimental to town's scumhunting. This is how we feel about Soupamario at this time, assuming that players who are inactive step up and begin to post that is; if that never happens we might just end up killing inactives first.

I'd like you to answer the questions I asked JTB earlier as well. This post shows partly strong partly timid judgment. If you agree with RoxPSI I'd like to know which parts and why.

I agree with this statement here, do tell us why you agree.

@Asdioh "DR mafia is completely different from Dgames mafia; because I'm playing on a hydra, I have a partner who I don't want to disappoint in any means, so I play better and think more about what I post. I find it insulting that you felt the need to bring up my bad play as basis to not agree with my statement."

I will be taking another read to this thread, and posting my thoughts on more players in a moment.

-Roxy

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Roxy: EBWOP.


read my post above.

 

[Radical Fiction]

my read on Hydra is simply this: Opportunistic, a pusher, and a lurker.

his posts consist of continual questioning and pushing down on someone's weak points.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Oh, but it did indeed help, i got kuz to break, and also, don't take credit, i have had this assumption this whole time.

Vote: Radical Faction

 

[Radical Fiction]

this can either be a town play, or a mafia play, just because someone is aggressive doesn't mean they are scum, i can be quite aggressive myself, if you see page 15.

 

[DatHydra]

Gheb looks more town, not sure about the hydra's because they have multiple people in board with them. :/

Kuz aka DatHydra reads as town to me. He's posting a lot and pushing a lot. I like it.

Just to clarify some things.

Kuz and I have discussed most major posts that we've made, and are largely in agreement in thoughts.

I'd like to assure you all that I am contributing to this hydra. It's fine if you're addressing us as "Kuz" because "Dat" sounds silly or whatever, but I'm not too happy if people feel I'm not doing anything.



Red Ryu, treat us as one player. If there's an inconsistency in our posts that are putting you off, point them out please.

Contentless post, but it's been bugging me. Thanks.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Oh, but it did indeed help, i got kuz to break, and also, don't take credit, i have had this assumption this whole time.

Vote: Radical Faction

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

nice turnabout, how about you show factual evidence besides silly pictures, it is getting on my nerves.

 

[RoxPSI]

Soupa you seem back and forth on DatHydra, are you saying that he's currently a null-tell?

I really do like Vult's comments on JTB after the re-read, however I want to look closer into JTB's response before saying anything else.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Soup is looking scummy or dumb town, like I always do, still better than Air's play.

I'm really annoyed by people making posts like these. Where is the idea coming from that he's either dumb or scum? His play has absolutely not been scummy and most of his suggestions and stances show that he's putting thoughts behind what he says.

Elaborate.

Gheb, you stated you didn't like long posts and I've noted a few long ones from you. I haven't read them indepth yet b/c of work, but do you feel you've been hypocritical in this?

I try to avoid making longer posts [even though I never said long "posts" in general but long "cases"] but I'm also required to answer questions and make my points clear - it's hardly possible for me to make a short response to something like RoxPSI's latest post. If I happen to make a longer post it's typically when a lot has been posted over my bedtime or a lot of people question me at the same time.

Once again I'm asking you to take note of the exact wording in my posts regarding long cases. I'm not saying that a case is necessarily anti-town or that a long post is. There are just often tendencies among scumbags to make use of it.

Answering to longer posts in my next post to make things easier to respond to...

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soupa you seem back and forth on DatHydra, are you saying that he's currently a null-tell?

Yes, that is why i unvoted him, if i feel the need to vote him again, i will.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Oh, but it did indeed help, i got kuz to break, and also, don't take credit, i have had this assumption this whole time.

Vote: Radical Faction

nice turnabout, how about you show factual evidence besides silly pictures, it is getting on my nerves.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yet again, you make it impossible for me to read you.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

This was post 62. From that point on he made several posts saying he liked you and that he thought your rebuttals were nice, hinting that he had gotten a further town read on you.

Then it's your own mistake for misinterpreting things. "Liking" me and noting that I'm "nice" has no bearing on my alignment - he simply states his personal impressions of me.

Furthermore, the post about one stance was directed at Soup, not you, so I don't see why you feel the need to step in and tell me that Soup has a null read on you. Let him answer his own questions.

Because you proved my point @ skimming. I accused you of skimming because you didn't see my read on Soup, then I *linked* you to the post which also included the explanation on his null read - upon which you proceed to ask about his null read. I'm sorry if I find that suspect enough to take note of.

You think that Radical is getting his points off clear enough, despite the pictures. However, you think it could be a detriment to inexperienced players who choose to skip over his posts. Thoughts on his alignment.

Not scum.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Yet again, you make it impossible for me to read you.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Okay: want my reasoning?

Your posts can sometimes just be obvious and filler, much akin to Asdioh's, who i haven't seen in awhile.

Some of them actually have good points, but you only post in the middle of turmoil, and sometimes i think your little posts are a way of playing with other players, but that's my POV.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

This is definitely bs Gheb. Soupamario is a weak player (this can be argued, but his inexperience with forum mafia makes him weaker than most), he's already began PR discussion which is a big no-no (he has done this twice; noting the possibility of a PR), and is making social connections, which is problematic when it comes to trying to pinpoint mafia, due to the fact you become emotionally attached to people in game and it clouds judgment.

1. I profoundly disagree @ him being a bad player.
2. OK @ PR discussion but DatHydra and JTB have also done it. Not enough for a lynch.
3. The social connection part doesn't make sense and looks very reaching.

He is playing in -no- way cautious, as you can read here

Speaking your mind =/= being not cautious.

If he seriously was strongly against your lead, why did he move away from your vote and vote Hydra soon afterwards?

From the context of how he posted his vote on you in the first place, I have reason to believe that his vote (along with your comments from then on) were in light regard initially, and that chances are he didn't even mean his vote as much as would be expected, even with his later explanation.

Because I'm not scummy? You're questioning him unvoting me [non-scummy player] and moving to DatHydra [scummy player] but I call it "playing mafia like you are supposed to. That's not a sign of weak play or not being cautious.

And his vote @ me was probably a joke but I don't see the point? Strong players can joke around too at the beginning of a game.

I feel that my interpretation of how mafia should be played is still solid by any means.

No shit.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Your posts can sometimes just be obvious and filler, much akin to Asdioh's, who i haven't seen in awhile.

Some of them actually have good points, but you only post in the middle of turmoil, and sometimes i think your little posts are a way of playing with other players, but that's my POV.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Constant Ninjas. Let's see...

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Soup, I think you're getting a bit too emotional over these pics. Them being annoying to you is not a justification to vote. A lot of the people seem to complain about it on principle but it's not warranted as his stances are clear, his scumhunting is intact and he actually manages to draw attention to his points - points I find myself agreeing with a lot. You just have to look deeper which is a given in mafia anyway.

 

[RoxPSI]

I apologize for my long posts Gheb, and everyone in general; with limited time periods where I can post I'll be giving a lot of information at once.

carrying on though.

I would like to see more from the following players in no particular order.
Smarboy69
Asdioh
Glyph
Red Ryu
HidaJiremi
Tandora (is posting more than the rest to an extent, however still not strongly active)
If I missed any other inactives let me know.

As you can see, a nice healthy chunk of players are missing out on quality information or at least keeping out of the light. I do not like this whatsoever (but with 9 days left before deadline; I'm pretty calm about this, expect more pushing towards these people if none of them give their thoughts within two days from now)


Thoughts on JTB

I didn't see it as necessary to keep my vote on him, so I took it off. In my eyes, I saw voting someone as a means to apply pressure, so perhaps I was careless with my first few posts and a vote wasn't necessary to understand why he voted NL.

This doesn't make sense to me; it feels like a contradiction. If you feel the need to apply pressure, shouldn't you be holding on to that vote to see if anything comes of it? If not that, you should be looking somewhere else to apply pressure or begin to set up questions? Why was this not done?

1) Soup votes No Lynch
2) I vote Soup because he votes NL while at the same time, Soup makes a new post which states he plays Epic Mafia
3) Leave thread
4) Come back two hours later
5) Notice #58
which states Soups background in Epic Mafia, prompting me to scroll up and see the missed post.
6) Unvote because I understand his reasoning for voting NL

This is a thorough explanation, however one thing sticks out; step four.

4) Come back two hours later

If you go back and check the times in which JTB came back, it was two hours as well; almost exactly two hours even. The reason this bugs me is because it gives me the perception that he checked back his posts to assure that everything checked out correctly before his re-write. This is a good thing in my eyes, showing attention to detail.

I think JTB's defense to Vult adds up, his apologetic behavior has been common and consistent thus far; null-read still sadly


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Gheb response

1. I profoundly disagree @ him being a bad player.

We can agree to disagree here.

2. OK @ PR discussion but DatHydra and JTB have also done it. Not enough for a lynch.

Not at all, but it's in addition to other things that I've mentioned that make him Lynch worthy at this time.

3. The social connection part doesn't make sense and looks very reaching.

I can see where you might figure it reaching, but let me give you an example to show you where I'm coming from.

You and your best friend like to joke around and have a good time; one day a 2v2 dodgeball tournament starts up, and who do you choose to play with you? Your best friend. Generally speaking, this seems like a good idea -to you- because he's your best friend; but he sucks at dodgeball. Better choices would be the person who plays dodgeball all the time, or the really agile person who can catch well.

Friendship and joking around too much clouds judgment, even a little bit of it in a mafia game can pull you away from killing someone subconciously (why do you think buddying is considered scummy?) If you've read Soupa's post on you, his feelings on you, while he says are null, are clearly clouded

Speaking your mind =/= being not cautious.

Votes for no stated reason =/= being cautious (read: Soup's vote on RFiction)

Because I'm not scummy? You're questioning him unvoting me [non-scummy player] and moving to DatHydra [scummy player] but I call it "playing mafia like you are supposed to. That's not a sign of weak play or not being cautious.

*rfiction vote

And his vote @ me was probably a joke but I don't see the point? Strong players can joke around too at the beginning of a game.

If it's a joke then he never had a read on you or felt you were a threat of any kind. You indirectly saying he's town is also void as well.

No ****.

No Censor Dodging.


Afterthoughts
I do feel Gheb is town, however he disagrees with concepts than I feel are okay. JTB is null at this point, he really needs to push some stances, considering his only real stance was on someone who was already explained to be at a disadvantage due to change in mafia environments.

Rfiction is not showing very many stances on players, however is picking at people consistently; this is very good showing he's openly trying to discuss with many players and make multiple connections, however with no actual comments on if he's having a town or scum read on them I'm curious how much he's actually thinking about this information. How do you feel about DatHydra, Gheb, Soup, and JTB?

Dathydra is beginning to tunnel a bit on Soup, thoughts on other players Dathydra? Gheb and JTB? Tandora even?

Vult has yet to post anything in response to JTB's arguement; this is probably because he's not on, but as of right now I'm liking the fact that's he's pushing for information and connections (read: Rfiction's potential connection to JTB). Seems like he stopped pushing it to go for the easier target JTB however. Any reason why your vote didn't switch to JTB after your read Vult?

-Roxy

 

[DatHydra]

Seikend posting here.

Then it's your own mistake for misinterpreting things. "Liking" me and noting that I'm "nice" has no bearing on my alignment - he simply states his personal impressions of me.

Because you proved my point @ skimming. I accused you of skimming because you didn't see my read on Soup, then I *linked* you to the post which also included the explanation on his null read - upon which you proceed to ask about his null read. I'm sorry if I find that suspect enough to take note of.

Misinterpretation is a two-way street.

Commenting on a personal impression isn’t helpful in a game of Mafia. We are trying to distinguish between Scum and Town, not who we like and dislike personally. To assume that “like” is implying a town read is not a stretch at all.

From that, I asked Soup that question to see if he had indeed changed his view of your alignment from Null to Town.
This has nothing to do with you calling me out for skimming, and you had no need to answer his question for him just because he had a null on you 200 posts previous.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Rox, I agree that Soup's recent behavior in regards to Radical isn't particularly smart. I'm still highly annoyed by how you're trying your hardest to justify a vote on somebody you specifically pointed out to not be scummy though.

Who's your biggest suspect? Surely you have to agree that lynching scum is the way to go. Lynching people you think are "stupid" should be the absolute last resort in case we find *nobody* scummy by the time the deadline hits. But focusing on it without giving clear hints at your scum list is just useless.

 

[Radical Fiction]

How do you feel about DatHydra, Gheb, Soup, and JTB?

1.) Request Votecount

2.)

3&4.)

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

With 13 alive it take 7 to lynch!

[0] Glyph
[0] Tandora:
[2] Soupamario: Asdioh, RoxPSI,
[2] DatHydra: Gheb_01, RadicalFiction,
[0] hidajiremi:
[0] Vult Redux:
[0] RoxPSI:
[0] Asdioh:
[0] Red Ryu:
[0] smarboy69:
[2] RadicalFiction: Vult Redux, Soupamario,
[1] JTB: DatHydra,
[0] Gheb_01:
[0] No Lynch:

Not voting: Glyph, Tandora, hidajiremi, Red Ryu, smarboy69, JTB,

 

[Radical Fiction]

[2] DatHydra: Gheb_01, RadicalFiction

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I apologize for my long posts Gheb, and everyone in general; with limited time periods where I can post I'll be giving a lot of information at once.

carrying on though.

I would like to see more from the following players in no particular order.
Smarboy69
Asdioh
Glyph
Red Ryu
HidaJiremi
Tandora (is posting more than the rest to an extent, however still not strongly active)
If I missed any other inactives let me know.

Me too.

As you can see, a nice healthy chunk of players are missing out on quality information or at least keeping out of the light. I do not like this whatsoever (but with 9 days left before deadline; I'm pretty calm about this, expect more pushing towards these people if none of them give their thoughts within two days from now)

Thus why i have been asking questions so frequently in my earlier posts.

Thoughts on JTB

I didn't see it as necessary to keep my vote on him, so I took it off. In my eyes, I saw voting someone as a means to apply pressure, so perhaps I was careless with my first few posts and a vote wasn't necessary to understand why he voted NL.

This doesn't make sense to me; it feels like a contradiction. If you feel the need to apply pressure, shouldn't you be holding on to that vote to see if anything comes of it? If not that, you should be looking somewhere else to apply pressure or begin to set up questions? Why was this not done?

1) Soup votes No Lynch
2) I vote Soup because he votes NL while at the same time, Soup makes a new post which states he plays Epic Mafia
3) Leave thread
4) Come back two hours later
5) Notice #58
which states Soups background in Epic Mafia, prompting me to scroll up and see the missed post.
6) Unvote because I understand his reasoning for voting NL

This is a thorough explanation, however one thing sticks out; step four.

Quote:
4) Come back two hours later
If you go back and check the times in which JTB came back, it was two hours as well; almost exactly two hours even. The reason this bugs me is because it gives me the perception that he checked back his posts to assure that everything checked out correctly before his re-write. This is a good thing in my eyes, showing attention to detail.

I think JTB's defense to Vult adds up, his apologetic behavior has been common and consistent thus far; null-read still sadly

Here, i agree, for once.
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Gheb response

1. I profoundly disagree @ him being a bad player.

We can agree to disagree here.

that is fine, i never asked for you to like me, nor think i am a good player, everyone has different ways of dealing with situations, for me, i like to read on the less looked at things, or pressure on the more obvious.

for me, the JTB thing was obvious, not over-looked.
however, Radical is in my boat of "to keep an eye on."

you see, Rox, i am so cautious to get people to talk, while i really have no certain paranoia, i play this card alot.

2. OK @ PR discussion but DatHydra and JTB have also done it. Not enough for a lynch.

Not at all, but it's in addition to other things that I've mentioned that make him Lynch worthy at this time.

3. The social connection part doesn't make sense and looks very reaching.

I can see where you might figure it reaching, but let me give you an example to show you where I'm coming from.

You and your best friend like to joke around and have a good time; one day a 2v2 dodgeball tournament starts up, and who do you choose to play with you? Your best friend. Generally speaking, this seems like a good idea -to you- because he's your best friend; but he sucks at dodgeball. Better choices would be the person who plays dodgeball all the time, or the really agile person who can catch well.

Friendship and joking around too much clouds judgment, even a little bit of it in a mafia game can pull you away from killing someone subconciously (why do you think buddying is considered scummy?) If you've read Soupa's post on you, his feelings on you, while he says are null, are clearly clouded


Votes for no stated reason =/= being cautious (read: Soup's vote on RFiction)

My feelings on Gheb right now are this: Personally, he is a nice guy, but in this game, siding with someone who you think is nice is not a good play, my read of Gheb right now truly is town, he questions things often and his responses are well-thought out, mafia always stumbles on their words trying to make up a lie.

I voted RFiction for pressure, much like why people have been voting me.


My opnion on you:

I Appreciate your worded posts, and i appreciate your opnions, but so far i sense you have a huge bias towards Hydra right now.

 

[hidajiremi]

I'll ride the noob train until I finally manage to finish a game. After the disappointment of Doctor Who, I only realize how much farther I have to go. And I'll write a more in-depth post blasting someone or other when I get home. See you then, sweety.

 

[DatHydra]

Dathydra is beginning to tunnel a bit on Soup, thoughts on other players Dathydra? Gheb and JTB? Tandora even?

Null on Gheb. Struggling with a read.

JTB is looking scummy. He has a reasonable number of posts, but most of them are about his No Lynch or suggesting a Radical Fiction posting restriction. His defence on his case was strong, but he's lacked any input to the day. There's no questioning of other players or active scumhunting. Feels like he's coasting.


Tandora is looking ever so slightly towny. She(?, sorry, I don't know if Tandora is male or female) only has one substantial post, but that one post looks good. Makes connections, asks questions. I'd like to see more activity, but what she has now is a lot more than a lot of people.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Oh, and btw, to all the posting restriction mumbo jumbo. We don't have one.

 

[RoxPSI]

I feel pretty even with how you feel about JTB Hydra; I wouldn't consider this leaning him towards scum though, because of his (apparent?) inexperience. But I'm noting it because it does make a lot of sense. JTB, please take note of Hydra's comment on you; how does it make you feel? Do you agree? If so, please fix that.

Hida your two instances of posting here have given no substance. Not even bothering to post on any of the subjects, fix that as well please. Commenting on your inexperience again will be considered scummy from me.

@soup - You're wrong about this, well-thought out posts don't only come from town. I will say that I agree with you about gheb, and he's definitely someone I want to see in the long run, however well thought out cases from scum is just as possible.

@Rfiction - I feel actually very insulted by those pictures because I know exactly what you're saying. Fair enough though.

Soupa is saying I'm being biased towards DatHydra, I don't see how, but i'll make sure to give it more discussion with my partner later tonight.

-Roxy

 

[Asdioh]

oh my god so much to read since just last night that I don't even...

By the way Soupamario, I don't know if you know but on each post there is a "multiquote" button which you will find immensely helpful

Now I am going to go through my own multiquotes and see if I can even remember wtf I wanted to say in regard to them.

- Do you have any suspects at the moment? What do you think of Vult Redux' stance in regards to Radical Fiction and yourself? Can you see where he is coming from?
- What do you think of DatHydra's statement that most talk of the beginning of the Day hasn't been very useful and actually been more of a hindrance to us? Agreed or disagreed? Reasoning?
- Ignoring the fact that he's mainly been posting in pictures, what content do you think Radical Fiction has contributed and which of his stances you find yourself agreeing with?

...

ok I can't remember any of this and don't have the time to go back on it right now. I will literally be forced to spend the entire day (excluding work) with how many posts are made and how long some of the posts are..

Radical, I just want to say that I'm getting a Town read on you so far but going through your posts to "show you" where we agree/disagree is a nightmare because:

I like to do isos a lot when I get lost and you're going to be extremely difficult to read later on.

edit since I saw your new post while making this:

Oh, and btw, to all the posting restriction mumbo jumbo. We don't have one.

Now since I want to contribute something... I haven't been skimming, but I'm having a hard time remembering who said what right now. I get this problem a lot when reading through mafia, if I'm not "right in the action" so to speak.

I'll give my thoughts: right now the thread is being dominated by a few players, leaving the others swallowed up in a void of obscurity. Right now I feel like this game is too much resembling the "soupamario, gheb, and dathydra show!" than a game of mafia where I can get a read on a multitude of people. I can't even remember some of their names without looking at the Who Posted list. This isn't necessarily the fault of those active people I mentioned, it is moreso the fault of the inactives, but I'd like those three in particular to focus a little more on people other than themselves.

So if it counts for anything, my current reads:
-Soupamario: unsure, leaning town
-Gheb: town
-DatHydra: the pushier form of Gheb, the town play by you that I think I'm used to by now
Rfiction: leaning town
JTB: hasn't really given any stances besides defending himself, has he?
RoxPSI: sorry if I insulted you not sure what to think of you yet, except that I like your play so far, thinking town.



Since I'm sure people will want more from me and ask for scumpicks:

Not voting: Glyph, Tandora, hidajiremi, Red Ryu, smarboy69, JTB,

pretty much everyone in that section for now, because they're either inactive or JTB. Tandora is probably the least scummy out of all of them, from what I remember.


Hopefully when I get back from work more people will have contributed and it won't be soupaVSghebVSdathydra


unvote

 

[JTB]

JTB is looking scummy. He has a reasonable number of posts, but most of them are about his No Lynch or suggesting a Radical Fiction posting restriction. His defence on his case was strong, but he's lacked any input to the day. There's no questioning of other players or active scumhunting. Feels like he's coasting.

I feel pretty even with how you feel about JTB Hydra; I wouldn't consider this leaning him towards scum though, because of his (apparent?) inexperience. But I'm noting it because it does make a lot of sense. JTB, please take note of Hydra's comment on you; how does it make you feel? Do you agree? If so, please fix that.

I agree with Hydra's points and I will fix it. Sorry that I'm playing the noob card, but there's only so much information I can gather on how to play from guides and such. I'm glad that Hydra is putting pressure on me, it makes me realize I'm taking too long to make a stance on someone.

My post about Radical's PR (well, at the time) was my attempt to break into the DatHydra/Gheb/Soupa discussion, but like Gheb replied, it didn't matter since he was making his stances clear and it's scummy looking to be speculating on one's roles.

@ Gheb

I'll get to your questions in a bit, as well as post my scum picks.

 

[Vult Redux]

I'm not going to hastily judge a new player based on two posts in RVS let alone try to find viable *connections* to other players already. I think it's pretty clear that JTB is trying to find a way into the game at the moment and has yet to realize a bunch of things about mafia - if he is scum it'll most likely become clear sooner or later so I'm not too worried about him at the moment.

I'm not willing to go gung ho against him for the same reason.

Also I like his response to it, so.

Same request to you - please explain how Radical is a better vote than JTB from your point of view. You even went out of your way to make a bigger post on how you think JTB's behavior is suspicious but leave your vote on Radical anyway. You take a somewhat strange approach to this issue and I consider it a possible contradiction unless you explain why your vote is not where your mouth is.

I can't think of any reason why I'd have voted JTB (to show everyone that I was suspicious of that post? It's not like I really looked at anything else he's posted so far). Also see above.

It seems as if you like mentioning my name a lot and I'd prefer if you wouldn't. I am my own person and I'd rather be the one talking my mind instead of you. Especially when the words you put in my mouth aren't the one's I would use.

I think your posts had relevance to their exchange, so I am going to talk about it.

How can it hurt to know how other people interpret your posts?

 

[Vult Redux]

Was the quote I was referencing from Soup something a town player would say? What is soup's alignment?

Absolutely. I try review my posts explicitly to minimize what could be interpreted as scumminess all the time. I'm not going to lose the game for the Town if I can help it.

I answered that question before.

But I haven't looked at much of the new content he's posted yet so my opinion might be outdated.

Vult:
Tell Me: Had i not explained my background, would you have voted me also?

Probs would've written it off as newbie error; No Lynch was a really enticing option in my first Day start game too.

 

[RoxPSI]

I'm sorry Asdioh, but you're asking people to post without pulling them out of the woodwork. Games with inactivity revolve around the active players. If you truly want people to be more involved, you must pull them in, not point it out and pray that something spontaneously changes.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

not really gonna go V/LA, but i will not be as active as i was, sorry.

 

[JTB]

hectic day, ill try to get my post up tonight

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Vult, you claimed to have a feeling that Radical was onto something "really good" but then he backed off. What exactly is the scummy part of that? Since you agree with me that pressuring JTB wouldn't have given us a lot to work with you're ought to give us a better reason to vote Radical than that. I don't understand your stance either way - if JTB's posts actually were scummy he would've been more suspect than Radical but if since we don't assume them to be scummy where exactly lies your problem with Radical?