Dissidia Mafia: Over Serial Killer Wiins! ~ Told you $#!* got real!

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I really like the posts you return, perhaps you want to switch over to the nice guy again?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Another thing, even though your vote isn't on me, you know you cannot vote me, because i am against you at this point AND YOURSELF will look scum.

even your first post was

"if you cross You're scum."

 

[JTB]

I am fairly certain that kuz was just messing around with Roxy, lol

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

another thing:

i see nothing that could really prove anything beneficial but i'm inclined to believe that Kuz and Seik are gonna sheep Rox.

and yet, you do not, right after i said that, you have not voted anyone at all, sure you FoS, but what good does that do, and your only FoS is small FMPOV.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

eh JTB says it could be a joke, but it's still something to look at, pregame is always a time to wifom and meta.

 

[DatHydra]

I really like the posts you return, perhaps you want to switch over to the nice guy again?

What does this even mean?

Another thing, even though your vote isn't on me, you know you cannot vote me, because i am against you at this point AND YOURSELF will look scum.

even your first post was

"if you cross You're scum."

Nice quick edit.

1. You obviously have never been in RVS before.
2. You obviously don't know the history between Roxy and myself
3. Or maybe I am not voting you because I am not convinced you're scum yet. In fact, as I said before, i had a town read on you. But oh wait, I must have three ulterior motives for not voting you. Lets analyze why I am not voting you and then come to the conclusion that I have a PR.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

see how you can get prodded back?

sucks don't it?

1. nope.
2. nope.
3. yet again, you attack my weak spots.

so why haven't you, i have voted you, have i not, afraid to cross, chum?

 

[DatHydra]

Learn to to use commas correctly.

so why haven't you, i have voted you, have i not, afraid to cross, chum?

Or maybe I am not voting you because I am not convinced you're scum yet. In fact, as I said before, i had a town read on you.

Jeez.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Unvote: DatHydra

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Here kuz: i'll explain why i am unvoting.

you have not yet voted me, and also, you are not pushing as much as i thought you would, and you are trying to state your main reason as much as possible, even though i push.

i like this, you stick with your first assumption, not going wild.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

also i caught some meta reads with those last 2 posts.

 

[RoxPSI]

Soupamario, out of context could you please take your time and think about what you're going to say. Your multiple posts are uneasy to the eyes.

Thank you.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i do, i just add in more things.

thats why i like to edit. :X

 

[RoxPSI]

You are clearly not thinking enough. When you finish writing, you aren't finished writing; Stop, preview, read it again. If you don't need to add anything THEN you post.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

With 13 alive it take 7 to lynch!

[0] Glyph:
[0] Tandora:
[2] Soupamario: Asdioh, RoxPSI,
[2] DatHydra: Gheb_01, RadicalFiction,
[0] hidajiremi:
[0] Vult Redux:
[1] RoxPSI: DatHydra,
[0] Asdioh:
[0] Red Ryu:
[0] smarboy69:
[1] RadicalFiction: Vult Redux,
[0] JTB:
[0] Gheb_01:
[0] No Lynch:

Not voting: Glyph, Tandora, Soupamario, hidajiremi, Red Ryu, smarboy69, JTB,

 

[Vult Redux]

Mod: You have me voting twice.

 

[DatHydra]

Unvote; Vote JTB

 

[Vult Redux]

Both Vult and Hydra have focused on JTB from now on, just for something silly as a misread, and now we have all took out attention off of kuz/seik.

I don't think it's fair to say I've "focused" on JTB at all. I've been looking at RFiction's interaction with him as a base from which to attack RFiction.

Also the thing about JTB isn't "something silly as a misread". Look at the exchange more closely:

By voting no lynch, we are unable to get reactions from people we are voting, so it's pretty difficult to get reads if no one is being pressured.

Vote Soupamario

Since you just mentioned it: You play Epic Mafia? Thanks for telling us because I used to play myself and I know that No Lynching on Day 1 is standard but [etc. etc.]

unvote

Soupamario, you posted that you play Epic Mafia while I was making my post, so I hadn't seen it when I posted. I hope you can see why I jumped on you.

It just seems really wrong in a lot of ways.

One is the reason RFiction brought up: that it's unusually and unnecessarily defensive. He didn't need to elaborate on his mistake because it was a mistake that anyone would have made had they not known your history. It's a situation where as a Town-aligned player you could have assumed that the other person would empathize with the error. But JTB covers his bases preemptively, as if he's expecting Soup to attack him, which I think is a scum-tell that is especially accurate for newer players (thought process: "I have to be ready to defend myself when the Townies come after me").

Another thing is that he credits the correction of his error to the fact that Soup mentioned Epic Mafia -- I think that, to the average person, this means nothing. Gheb just happened to know that environment and be able to explain the norms of that site. The fact that he overlooked Gheb's explanation (which was necessary to understand why Epic Mafia was relevant) to say "Oh! Oops! You're from Epic Mafia! My bad!" to cover his mistake when he didn't know why Epic Mafia's norms related to his accusation being null.

ANOTHER thing is that his accusation could very well stand without the Epic Mafia revelation in the first place. It IS true that voting No Lynch inhibits gaining reactions from specific players, regardless of player history. Not many people would have given him a hard time if he'd left his vote where it was, but he was all too ready to take it off the second it looked like the base for the vote might crack.

One last issue I have is that it looks like his 70 was a reaction to Gheb's comment in #58, where Gheb criticizes him for eagerly jumping on his No Lynch suggestion without examining his Epic Mafia background... which is entirely too much for Gheb to ask of someone (I'm certainly not going to go investigate some site's norms in order to maybe get a read on one player). But JTB doesn't bring that up to Gheb and it looks like he'd rather turn around, unvote, and apologize rather than face an argumentative exchange with the game's "leader". Avoiding conflict.

---

......

did you just claim scum?

I find it hard to imagine Town players saying this.

 

[JTB]

I see your post and I'll respond to it once I finish this stupid dungeon on Rift

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I gotta read, will post soon.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Scratch that it will take me a bit, so I'll do it tomorrow.

And /confirming.

 

[JTB]

One is the reason RFiction brought up: that it's unusually and unnecessarily defensive. He didn't need to elaborate on his mistake because it was a mistake that anyone would have made had they not known your history. It's a situation where as a Town-aligned player you could have assumed that the other person would empathize with the error. But JTB covers his bases preemptively, as if he's expecting Soup to attack him, which I think is a scum-tell that is especially accurate for newer players (thought process: "I have to be ready to defend myself when the Townies come after me").

I elaborated on my mistake because that's just the kind of person I am. I didn't know it was a mistake that anyone could've made since I am a new player, so I didn't see anyone reason not to explain my actions.

Another thing is that he credits the correction of his error to the fact that Soup mentioned Epic Mafia -- I think that, to the average person, this means nothing. Gheb just happened to know that environment and be able to explain the norms of that site. The fact that he overlooked Gheb's explanation (which was necessary to understand why Epic Mafia was relevant) to say "Oh! Oops! You're from Epic Mafia! My bad!" to cover his mistake when he didn't know why Epic Mafia's norms related to his accusation being null.

Let me tell you what happened in page 2, to clear things up.

1) Soup votes No Lynch
2) I vote Soup because he votes NL while at the same time, Soup makes a new post which states he plays Epic Mafia
3) Leave thread
4) Come back two hours later
5) Notice #58
which states Soups background in Epic Mafia, prompting me to scroll up and see the missed post.
6) Unvote because I understand his reasoning for voting NL

Does that clear things up?

ANOTHER thing is that his accusation could very well stand without the Epic Mafia revelation in the first place. It IS true that voting No Lynch inhibits gaining reactions from specific players, regardless of player history. Not many people would have given him a hard time if he'd left his vote where it was, but he was all too ready to take it off the second it looked like the base for the vote might crack.

I didn't see it as necessary to keep my vote on him, so I took it off. In my eyes, I saw voting someone as a means to apply pressure, so perhaps I was careless with my first few posts and a vote wasn't necessary to understand why he voted NL.

One last issue I have is that it looks like his 70 was a reaction to Gheb's comment in #58, where Gheb criticizes him for eagerly jumping on his No Lynch suggestion without examining his Epic Mafia background... which is entirely too much for Gheb to ask of someone (I'm certainly not going to go investigate some site's norms in order to maybe get a read on one player). But JTB doesn't bring that up to Gheb and it looks like he'd rather turn around, unvote, and apologize rather than face an argumentative exchange with the game's "leader". Avoiding conflict.

Gheb was not suggesting that I check out his Epic Mafia background, did you read his whole post?

Familiarize yourself with the background of players before making sweeping statements. Soupamario has clearly mentioned that his mafia experience is based on Epic Mafia, where no lynching on Day 1 is not uncommon. A bandwagon on Day 1 is fine but you're ought to provide better reasoning than that.

He made this posted based on the assumption that I had seen Soupamario's post in which he stated he had a background in Epic Mafia. Once again, just because I didn't credit Gheb with drawing attention to the post I missed doesn't mean I completely ignored his post.

I'll be more clear in my future posts to avoid any more confusion.

 

[Radical Fiction]

 

[~ Gheb ~]

So you acknowledge that you only have one stance thus far? Why null on Gheb, if I got anything out of the first few pages, it was that you had a town read on him.

I've linked you to a post where I openly call Soup a townie based on his well explained null-read on me. That was post 63, which I specifically linked you to read up. There is no excuse for you missing it this time. You only continue my point that you've been skimming, now even more so than before.

I'm fine with where my vote is at the moment.

He points out that certain fact, and now it seems he is gonna keep close tabs on him, yet..he is quite silent, and posts rarely, usually pr's stay low as possible.

Not always. A townie with little connections going into the Night gets killed just as much as the one that is extremely vocal about his opinions.

I know it only was a small exchange but can we please avoid discussion like this? I remember calling out JTB earlier for speculating about roles based on Radical's "restriction" and now you continue to do it anyway. We don't want to give hints on who could have which PR, when the mafia can obtain this information as well.

Things like that make me think it was for the better to play IC.

Does anyone else feel like Radical Fiction latched onto something really good with JTB [see posts 70 and 84], but wasn't thorough with his attack at all and dropped it really quickly to jump on DatHydra without any sort of explanation (earlier in the game he was consistent with giving his stances though humor/pictures).

I think "really good" is definitely an exaggeration. At that time it was probably the strongest tell we've had but it doesn't bother me nearly as much as DatHydra's play. I'm not going to hastily judge a new player based on two posts in RVS let alone try to find viable *connections* to other players already. I think it's pretty clear that JTB is trying to find a way into the game at the moment and has yet to realize a bunch of things about mafia - if he is scum it'll most likely become clear sooner or later so I'm not too worried about him at the moment.

I'd say it's one of these things to keep in mind for later while we continue to observe JTB's play.

It is easy to assume that I'm new and that I think that Gheb is Town because he can IC well and criticize that, isn't it?

Could you explain why DatHydra is a better vote than JTB?

Vote: Radical Fiction

Same request to you - please explain how Radical is a better vote than JTB from your point of view. You even went out of your way to make a bigger post on how you think JTB's behavior is suspicious but leave your vote on Radical anyway. You take a somewhat strange approach to this issue and I consider it a possible contradiction unless you explain why your vote is not where your mouth is.

@Asdioh, Tandora, Gheb - thoughts on JTB

As pointed out above, I don't think JTB is particularly suspect at the moment. His play at the beginning of toDay could be newbie scum or newbie town; I really can't tell. I'm not going to be that lenient with him all game but for the moment I'd rather give him an opportunity to find a way into the game than to already holding common newbie tells against him.

I called you out because I thought it was odd that you voted no lynch. The point of me voting you was to find out why and you gave an answer that satisfied me, so I unvoted. I felt like it was too early to take a strong stance on someone, especially with very little information to go off of.

Justifying your actions is OK but also only a small part of playing mafia. The other is finding scum and convincing the town that your reads are correct. You've told us so far which actions you chose for what reasons but I think it's time to go a step ahead and get your impressions of other players now.

- Do you have any suspects at the moment? What do you think of Vult Redux' stance in regards to Radical Fiction and yourself? Can you see where he is coming from?
- What do you think of DatHydra's statement that most talk of the beginning of the Day hasn't been very useful and actually been more of a hindrance to us? Agreed or disagreed? Reasoning?
- Ignoring the fact that he's mainly been posting in pictures, what content do you think Radical Fiction has contributed and which of his stances you find yourself agreeing with?

The main reason for Gheb's push was for Kuz skimming. I personally (Roxy PoV) don't see how Kuz's first question was vocally explained, considering the main basis of your conversation was with Soupamario, it seems a great deal of your views are indirect, and clarification would need to be made in them; Post 63 especially. You say this is something that mafia would do, and Soupamario didn't do it, so indirectly this is a town tell in your eyes correct; you never directly said this, and it's easy to see how Kuz could've missed this.

Just because I didn't "directly" state it doesn't mean it's not obvious. If I say "I think a scumbag would've done the opposite of what you did" then there's literally no other conclusion than that I do *not* think of him as a scumbag. I expect everybody to have that much common sense to grasp this. There's absolutely no ambiguity or room for misinterpretation in this sentence. Just getting this out of the way.
Even if you were right about it I'm going to stand to my points and say that he has no business discrediting the discussion we've had so far if he doesn't even see major corner stones of discussion within. The contradiction remains: Had he read what we've been talking about there would be no way he could consider that talk as useless.

I'd also like to point out that you've answered to an accusation not only not directed towards at you but also one that the target chose to *not* answer to at all. I can't help but find this odd, especially when I look at the next part of your post:

Soupamario bugs us, no offence, but it's clear to us that he is not a player we would want end game. He has a a lot of habits that are common with Epic Mafia players. No lynching day is the most common, but other ones are being easily moved and lead by calm players (gheb), and strongly disgusted by pushy players (kuz). Unless someone really pushes up red flags, we feel that at this time he is the play.

vote: Soupamario

Our read on him is null, considering he could be playing noob town, scum acting as noob town, etc. However in the end he will be a detriment.

Are you even aware of how scummy you are? Not only do you commit to lynch a player you openly state to not have a scum read on but you also use some extremely weak justification.
You have absolutely no business calling him a detriment. His cautious play so far [which you have blatantly misconstrued btw - he's pretty intractable against my lead in contrast to what you're claiming] has shown good judgment over the situation and his "disgust" against kuz is justified as well. Your only basis of calling him a detriment is your very subjective interpretation of how mafia is played.

FoS RoxPSI

Ok, I didn't expect it to happen, but I really agree with RoxPSI on most points. If he (they) keeps playing like this I'm going to like him a lot more than his performance in other games.
The only thing I don't like is trying to make him the play so early. The reason I don't like it is because we have what, 3 players that haven't posted yet? I don't want them to come in late and see a bandwagon well underway and be able to join it without having to give their own opinions so that we can get reads on them.

I'd like you to answer the questions I asked JTB earlier as well. This post shows partly strong partly timid judgment. If you agree with RoxPSI I'd like to know which parts and why.

Gheb has no longer said anything and i feel he is playing the lurking card now himself because he knows he has pointed me at you, yet i am hesistant to fire.

Hi, I live in Europe and I wrote most of my posts way past midnight. Going to sleep and lurking are two very, very different things. If you actually think I'm lurking I suggest you're going to read through the thread again and re-evaluate your opinion on that.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Swiss, you should really stop trying to be funny. First of all you're quite the opposite of it and second you're really fluffing up the input which I assume is coming from Ryker. It's easy for an inexperienced player to miss some of his points if he skips Radical's posts out of annoyance.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb just happened to know that environment and be able to explain the norms of that site. The fact that he overlooked Gheb's explanation (which was necessary to understand why Epic Mafia was relevant) to say "Oh! Oops! You're from Epic Mafia! My bad!" to cover his mistake when he didn't know why Epic Mafia's norms related to his accusation being null.

One last issue I have is that it looks like his 70 was a reaction to Gheb's comment in #58, where Gheb criticizes him for eagerly jumping on his No Lynch suggestion without examining his Epic Mafia background... which is entirely too much for Gheb to ask of someone (I'm certainly not going to go investigate some site's norms in order to maybe get a read on one player). But JTB doesn't bring that up to Gheb and it looks like he'd rather turn around, unvote, and apologize rather than face an argumentative exchange with the game's "leader". Avoiding conflict.

It seems as if you like mentioning my name a lot and I'd prefer if you wouldn't. I am my own person and I'd rather be the one talking my mind instead of you. Especially when the words you put in my mouth aren't the one's I would use.

@first quote:

This isn't a coherent sentence and I can't make sense out of it. If it's supposed to mean what I think it is supposed to mean then you're reaching very far as you imply that you know about JTB *not* knowing about the norms of EM as if it couldn't be easily looked up at any time. Furthermore you imply that he "overlooked" my critique even though he directly answered to it.

@second quote:

Definitely not what I was getting at. I didn't ask him to familiarize himself with how Soup's player history at Epic Mafia. That would almost impossibly hard to track and nothing I would ever seriously suggest. Quite obviously, I was talking about getting familiar with the backgrounds of individual players:

- Soup: Coming from Epic Mafia he has practical experience with mafia and mainly needs to get used to the ways of forum mafia.
- Asdioh: Has played in the Disco Room where there's a diverse mix of more and less experienced and smart players. Needs to get used to how we play this game in dGames specifically
- JTB: Seems to not have played mafia before [on a forum at least] and needs to be helped in case of a newbie mistake.

As you see you made a couple of false statements in your posts and although probably not intentional I'd rather not be associated with them.

 

[hidajiremi]

These have all been hilarious, but I still have to wonder what's up with this. A posting restriction? Or trying to avoid deep discussion by convincing the rest of us you have a posting restriction?

Also, it seems to me that DatHydra is pounding on Soupamario pretty hard, even after accepting that he has solid (if newbie) reasons for making his posts. Is it an attempt to teach a new forum mafia player through hardship, or is it tunneling without voting? I could see "I'm not voting you and I think you might be town... but here are all these reasons why you're playing badly and anyone else should think you're hiding something" go either way. I'm also not convinced that Soupamario's plays are entirely newbie town plays, since he's got a background in other kinds of mafia. A no-lynch vote, maybe; but the rest of it seems suspicious to me. Definite FOS from me.

 

[DatHydra]

I find it hard to imagine Town players saying this.

Was the quote I was referencing from Soup something a town player would say? What is soup's alignment?

Also, it seems to me that DatHydra is pounding on Soupamario pretty hard, even after accepting that he has solid (if newbie) reasons for making his posts. Is it an attempt to teach a new forum mafia player through hardship, or is it tunneling without voting? I could see "I'm not voting you and I think you might be town... but here are all these reasons why you're playing badly and anyone else should think you're hiding something" go either way.

I let my hydra partner craft the first few posts of this game, and I tried to let him do as much of it as possible. However, I did not appreciate the flack dealt to him for mostly wrong reasoning and the abrasive language used by Soup so I stepped in to play hardball. The type of experience bullying Soup is saying I am now doing to him was exactly the same thing he was doing to my partner during early game, and that's why I came in a little strong.

@Hida, you should view soup as town. Despite his misconstrued arrogance towards the beginning of the game, he is town and you should treat him as such.

Responding to Gheb's post.

 

[DatHydra]

I've linked you to a post where I openly call Soup a townie based on his well explained null-read on me. That was post 63, which I specifically linked you to read up. There is no excuse for you missing it this time. You only continue my point that you've been skimming, now even more so than before.

I'm fine with where my vote is at the moment.

WOAH, YOU SKIMMIN BRAH?!?!?!?!?

The question this quote responded to was directed at Soup asking why he had a null read on you, Gheb, not asking you about your read on Soup. "You only continue my point that you've been skimming blah blah blah."

I know it only was a small exchange but can we please avoid discussion like this? I remember calling out JTB earlier for speculating about roles based on Radical's "restriction" and now you continue to do it anyway. We don't want to give hints on who could have which PR, when the mafia can obtain this information as well.

Things like that make me think it was for the better to play IC.

Oh really. Earlier this game (before your quote) Soup made an inference that Ryker had a PR because he was playing fairly quiet. Why did you not call him out for this sentiment? Instead, you chastised me for saying there was no content despite Soup taking lots of stances. Apparently this type of speculation is a stance when Soup says it, but its dumb conversation when I bring it up.

Don't get me wrong. I agree its dumb conversation but you seem to be specifically highlighting my faults when others are doing the same.

Glad you are getting your high off of playing the IC. Going splendidly so far. I have no idea if that was supposed to be sarcastic or not.

As pointed out above, I don't think JTB is particularly suspect at the moment. His play at the beginning of toDay could be newbie scum or newbie town; I really can't tell. I'm not going to be that lenient with him all game but for the moment I'd rather give him an opportunity to find a way into the game than to already holding common newbie tells against him.

Fair enough. Thoughts on Radical?

FoS RoxPSI

Agreed. Specially that part about him not finding Soup scummy, but still vehemently supporting his lynch. Regardless, you seem to have a pretty good list of valid reasoning for voting RoxPSI, yet your vote continues to remain on me. Am I still scummier than RoxyPSI, despite all that reasoning?

 

[Radical Fiction]

Gheb you seem like a leader, or perhaps just a fairly nice person in general, i cannot simply put it into my mind that you are offically town, and i would like to test you thus i have voted you.

or perhaps just a fairly nice person in general

Just a note Gheb, I've played in about 4 or 5 games now. I won't be playing the noob card.

I will note that I disagree that a long case is inherently bad though, same with occasionally holding off on pointing out posts you take issue with. A scum member who believes they are doing well is more likely to slip up, and give us more reliable reads based off their posts with other players (well, less WIFOM at least).

Asdioh, this is your first game outside the DR if I'm not mistaken. How does the change in scenery and players make you feel? What changes are you going to make?

Nice rebuttal Gheb, i like you, you make valid points to all of my assertions.

sounds more like a cover-up to your folly, but people have their ways of outting scum.

Decide.

Yes, because less posting = no posting at all.

Wonderful deduction skills.


Tell me Soup, what have you discerned from your questioning? You like Gheb. Is he town? I am apparently playing the big bad villain. Am I scum?

A few posts later....

He points out that certain fact, and now it seems he is gonna keep close tabs on him, yet..he is quite silent, and posts rarely, usually pr's stay low as possible.

Soupa, you really need to stop editing your posts, even if you make an error in them. Just correct yourself in your next post or else you are going to get punished by the mod.

Nothing.

Barely skimmed jack s***. But hey. That's why I'm a hydra, right?

I don't care what alignment Swiker is. He's staying in the game cuz he makes me lol with his little pics. Def Moriarty status.

I'll read tomorrow and come up with something that'll make you go woah look at dat mang he's so town I just want em till the end.

Yea. I'm bored. Sue me.

Oh, and I was gonna say something along the lines of on my d***, but I remembered that my hydra has a d*** and a p****... So .

Oh, and nice censor dodge Radial. Contacting Sold2 as I type.

You thought this post would have something useful? You were wrong.

Till tomorrow, good fellas. Good night.

no in my head it was "i see Gheb's points, and i don't like the way he posted, i'm going to vote him."

and then i was like

"but this could bite me in the ***..."
"i need to be careful, if i were to bw mafia can just call me scum on it by saying i was quick to bw.."
"i feel strong about this though, and i'm going with it."

Yeah.

Oh god, don't get touchy with me. My vote is not even on you are at L-5, don't start using the "I am unexperienced, you are bullying me" card already.

I am fairly certain that kuz was just messing around with Roxy, lol

Swiss, you should really stop trying to be funny. First of all you're quite the opposite of it and second you're really fluffing up the input which I assume is coming from Ryker. It's easy for an inexperienced player to miss some of his points if he skips Radical's posts out of annoyance.

 

[Radical Fiction]

 

[~ Gheb ~]

WOAH, YOU SKIMMIN BRAH?!?!?!?!?

No need to overreact or ridicule thing. You're not even waiting for a response and are already discrediting my case?

The question this quote responded to was directed at Soup asking why he had a null read on you, Gheb, not asking you about your read on Soup. "You only continue my point that you've been skimming blah blah blah."

And once again, you're not reading things right. It's really silly how I have to show you everything step by step but I gladly repeat myself when I say that you continue to prove my point. Let me show you how:

I've linked you to a post where I openly call Soup a townie based on his well explained null-read on me. That was post 63, which I specifically linked you to read up. There is no excuse for you missing it this time. You only continue my point that you've been skimming, now even more so than before.

Maybe if I mark important things in glaring red you will see them? Yes, it explains my townie read on Soup but it also shows where the root of the answer to your question lies. I mean you directly ask about his null read one me but when I proceed to show you you're missing it?
You're making yourself look silly now with your overreactions. I mean REALLY? @ first quote? You either didn't even understand / read my explanation or you misconstrued it on purpose. You have no business playing the "no u" card in that situation.

Oh really. Earlier this game (before your quote) Soup made an inference that Ryker had a PR because he was playing fairly quiet. Why did you not call him out for this sentiment? Instead, you chastised me for saying there was no content despite Soup taking lots of stances. Apparently this type of speculation is a stance when Soup says it, but its dumb conversation when I bring it up.

Don't get me wrong. I agree its dumb conversation but you seem to be specifically highlighting my faults when others are doing the same.

In case you missed it [wouldn't be a surprise anyway ] I've quoted precisely the one post of Soup you mentioned right above yours. The last paragraph in that quote is almost comical because you complain about me doing something when I actually did exactly what you wanted me to do.

Fair enough. Thoughts on Radical?

How about this: Read through everything *carefully* and then summarize the impressions you have on what I think of Radical. Maybe you will pick up the things you've missed that way

Agreed. Specially that part about him not finding Soup scummy, but still vehemently supporting his lynch. Regardless, you seem to have a pretty good list of valid reasoning for voting RoxPSI, yet your vote continues to remain on me. Am I still scummier than RoxyPSI, despite all that reasoning?

Obviously, you are. Otherwise my vote wouldn't be at you right now.

And if you think my reasoning is so valid why aren't *you* voting him?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

This one was actually kind of funny.

 

[DatHydra]

No need to overreact or ridicule thing. You're not even waiting for a response and are already discrediting my case?

Obvious, fake overreaction is obvious.

And once again, you're not reading things right. It's really silly how I have to show you everything step by step but I gladly repeat myself when I say that you continue to prove my point. Let me show you how:




Maybe if I mark important things in glaring red you will see them? Yes, it explains my townie read on Soup but it also shows where the root of the answer to your question lies. I mean you directly ask about his null read one me but when I proceed to show you you're missing it?
You're making yourself look silly now with your overreactions. I mean REALLY? @ first quote? You either didn't even understand / read my explanation or you misconstrued it on purpose. You have no business playing the "no u" card in that situation.

Granted, I misread your quote. Apologies etc. Still, this is the post where soup called you null.

Gheb you seem like a leader, or perhaps just a fairly nice person in general, i cannot simply put it into my mind that you are offically town, and i would like to test you thus i have voted you.

This was post 62. From that point on he made several posts saying he liked you and that he thought your rebuttals were nice, hinting that he had gotten a further town read on you. His view of your alignment could obviously have changed since then, and don't even try to tell me that i should have just accepted that as a static null read. Furthermore, the post about one stance was directed at Soup, not you, so I don't see why you feel the need to step in and tell me that Soup has a null read on you. Let him answer his own questions.

In case you missed it [wouldn't be a surprise anyway ] I've quoted precisely the one post of Soup you mentioned right above yours. The last paragraph in that quote is almost comical because you complain about me doing something when I actually did exactly what you wanted me to do.

No. You havn't. Here was the post I was talking about.

i think (and it's just a theory) that Radical is an important role, limited to his imagination for challenge.

and this received no chastisement from you.

Then I make my 199 and here is your response

There was plenty of content to comment on, otherwise there would've no way for soup to even give us that many stances

Now, when he brings up the same post again later and I comment on it, it is not fair game.

How about this: Read through everything *carefully* and then summarize the impressions you have on what I think of Radical. Maybe you will pick up the things you've missed that way

You think that Radical is getting his points off clear enough, despite the pictures. However, you think it could be a detriment to inexperienced players who choose to skip over his posts. Thoughts on his alignment.

Obviously, you are. Otherwise my vote wouldn't be at you right now.

And if you think my reasoning is so valid why aren't *you* voting him?

I never said I agreed with all your points, mostly the one about voting Soup despite thinking he is town, and just wanting to get him gone because of him being a detriment in lylo.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vult:

I don't think it's fair to say I've "focused" on JTB at all. I've been looking at RFiction's interaction with him as a base from which to attack RFiction.

Also the thing about JTB isn't "something silly as a misread". Look at the exchange more closely:

FMPOV, Radical has had interaction with most of the players, posting those rage comics of his/hers.

They can seem either silly, or be quite important, some that strike well can be regarded in my earlier posts.

It just seems really wrong in a lot of ways.

One is the reason RFiction brought up: that it's unusually and unnecessarily defensive. He didn't need to elaborate on his mistake because it was a mistake that anyone would have made had they not known your history. It's a situation where as a Town-aligned player you could have assumed that the other person would empathize with the error. But JTB covers his bases preemptively, as if he's expecting Soup to attack him, which I think is a scum-tell that is especially accurate for newer players (thought process: "I have to be ready to defend myself when the Townies come after me").

It's a good point, but these are all "What Ifs."
Tell Me: Had i not explained my background, would you have voted me also?

did you just claim scum?

I find it hard to imagine Town players saying this.

As do I.



JTB: i think you repeat yourself too much in your #222(I don't know how to hyperlink..)you have a fairly structured paragraph over that NL situation, however...did you really need to explain yourself that far? (it's a rhetorical question)

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

First off these pictures are super annoying.

Second, some people not counting me are being more inactive than they should.

Now current events. Soup is looking scummy or dumb town, like I always do, still better than Air's play.

Gheb looks more town, not sure about the hydra's because they have multiple people in board with them. :/

Radicals's pics annoy me to no end.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Red: see my pre-metas before you assume to get a Vi on me, it annoys me to no bounds.

 

[Tandora]

Ok, I'm at work so I cannot do a good ISO without my notes at home. Will attempt to sit down tonight to do a thorough read.

In the meantime, my current thoughts:

Hida, how long you gonna ride the noob train? You've been in several games at this point and you've almost never made it past Day 1, but can you honestly say you're still noob?

You should realize by now that the start of day 1 is always a frenzy as everyone is jumping into the pool and getting wet. Also, lots of hydras inherently inflate the number of posts. Wade through it and get to the meat of the matter.

I want your indepth post. Pick a couple of people you think are scummy and blast them.

So far I think Soup is town. His aggravation at a different playing environment reads as sincere to me.

Kuz aka DatHydra reads as town to me. He's posting a lot and pushing a lot. I like it.

Gheb, you stated you didn't like long posts and I've noted a few long ones from you. I haven't read them indepth yet b/c of work, but do you feel you've been hypocritical in this?

I liked Smarg's initial post, but gboy's followup on their hydra leaves me cold. I want more content, gboy!

Radical Fiction - I lol'ed. More content though. Some of your early posts did have implications of helpfulness. Now they're just silly.

@ everyone, where would you suggest they put a suit of mystical Armor of Invincibilty?

 

[Tandora]

Oh yeah. Soup, what's BW?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

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