Disney Sing-A-Long Mafia - GAME OVER, IT'S A HAPPY ENDING FOR DISNEY!

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Yeah I know my flooding is terribad too lol.

It's honestly just because so many people posted between me leaving work and getting home, So i always feel like I need to answer every question everyone asks towards me.

Someone asked before (I think it was you ) about a Swords / Inferno team.

Could his "RVS" vote on swords be a light bus attempt ?
And now that he got called on it he's trying to play the RVS card ?

He and Swords seem to be doing the same thing in different instances.

I.E:

Inferno jumps on Swords.
Swords jumps on Inferno.


There's probably more but my question is, would scum-mates try this @ Soup

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Could his "RVS" vote on swords be a light bus attempt ?
And now that he got called on it he's trying to play the RVS card ?

He and Swords seem to be doing the same thing in different instances.

Scum wouldn't justify a vote on another scum as RVS if they were bussing, that's what makes the situation tricky. I don't think they're aligned.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Okay.

Srs question because i mean really just listen and this may break the Swords Vs. Inferno wall down.

But I'll need doc immunity toNight if I out this part of my role.

Should I out this.

I will be conducting a vote.

Just vote yes or no in / against me doing this.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Oh yeah or it could be completely useless and get me killed.

True story

/that white knight townie

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Don't out your role unless you feel it will be beneficial, and I can safely say that we are early in the game and things can change, I wouldn't waste your role like this unless you feel you have to.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Then I'll stow it.

Gorf damnit it could help but outing it is going to turn this day into a bloodbath.

Especially since only 2 people are in the spotlight.

But what they are doing it's like : OMG this fits but IDK.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

and it's not the full deal.

It's a by-product of my role which could aid town in it's scum hunting endeavours.

But only so far as it is a small piece of information that will become swept under the carpet of suspicion / WIFOM on the part of the scum side

 

[#HBC | Mac]

that red text is so awful

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I think that you're just setting yourself up for a roleblock at this point, and that you probably should have considered what that would cost. For that reason being, stowing it away won't mean much seeing how scum already has you pinned as a possible role-block/NK, really doubt you would do this as scum.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Oh yeah not like i need to clarify but:

FOS: Inferno
FOS: Swords
IGMEOY: Swords
IGMEOY: Inferno

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I think that you're just setting yourself up for a roleblock at this point, and that you probably should have considered what that would cost. For that reason being, stowing it away won't mean much seeing how scum already has you pinned as a possible role-block/NK, really doubt you would do this as scum.

I've got that side covered.

Role blocking me would be a hilarious waste of time. Or would it ?

Also it's entirely possible I have no such game-breaking power and am spreading WIFOM to confuse the hell out of scum.

harmander:

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

This game is already 100 x more interesting in 7 pages than my previous games have been.
No offence to the mods who've games I've been in but this one is going to be my fav for a long while.

Useful part of this post:

Does anyone have an idea how John usually plays ?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I think you're just digging yourself a deeper hole.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I know I am

/that bat crazy poster

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Actually it would be a foursome Rake.

Rake, can you expend as to why you didn't get anything out of it? Also, could you describe the tone of our interactions?

Someone tell me that this is Swords reg play regardless of alignment.


For the love of all things Gaston.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Man when I play mafia I don't have time for it but when I don't play it I have too much time on my hands.

J please be town. I want to be town with you and buddy you all game.

Don't betray my trust.

Be my town buddy and I won't betray your trust! Also I know the pain of that Swords, I really hope that doesn't happen to me with my schedule. I may end up just replacing into games if that happens because I will probably still read games in my spare spare time.



A car wash? o_o I honestly thought you worked in a warehouse or something with the way that one guy broke your arm and then people losing fingers and stuff. And wow I'm sorry man, that job sounds like it sucks.

Seems this is a shorter RVS game. I like that much more.

Question to RF/Rake, how is Swords scummy? All I see here is a grief with his questions seeming pointless and nothing really scummy coming from Swords because what was the mal-intent behind his questions? Do you guys honestly feel that he was just posting those questions in order to "seem" towny instead of actually just try and start the game up like he said? The obtuse call-out I could see coming from RF, but the vote on Swords is odd.

Rake, you said in the beginning of the game you would be okay with sheeping RF like you are now, but you also said that you would be looking at different avenues. Where is that? So far you are just content with needling Swords along with RF. Talk to me about Inferno and Soup.

Soup, I don't see what you are getting at trying to insinuate that Inferno is scummy so far. His vote seemed more RVS joking>Sheeping RF at the time. Could you go into more detail on why you feel Inferno is looking scummy? I'd also like a more concrete stance on Swords, you are dancing (lol pun) around the argument at the current time with your questions.

Clover, I feel null on those two are the moment. Both are doing weird things at the moment in terms of who they are pushing for what reasons which is why I asked them some questions. I don't have a firm stance yet. My current thoughts can be shown in my above questions though.

Ack, ninjas.

Got an Inferno vote and more RF pushing just to push.

Kay. Post still stands above.

Never said such things RF. I said you were odd and didn't get why you are pushing this Swords thing so vehemently.

I also said you calling someone obtuse for a post like Swords could be expected.

Thank you Soup, I understand you now. Now talk to me about RF, you seem to have a thought on him and I want it.

How am I gunning for the empathy of others in my "tactic" I have on you? To be forward, there is no tactic nor any game. I'm just questioning your actions because they intrigued me. I know you have lynched without building a case, I'm common to it more lately myself as well. I'll hold you to finding that Swords slip. I don't get why you brought up your ability to lynch without a case because that really wasn't what I was getting at.

Answer me this, how is Swords in a more rudimentary way more Scummy over Dummy for his questions?

With that Inferno vote, Swords, you may have more eyes looking at you now.

Why now do you speak up about Inferno being scummy and not at the time or actually when he first posted? It makes it look like you were more so just jumping on it because it seemed like a way out that Soup had offered you. How is anything you are doing different then Inferno? I mean, yes, you do give a line of reasoning for why you feel Inferno is scummy but it is just copy-paste of Soup's and you don't seem to be looking for intent but more what just looks "bad" at the moment.

Using logic, your questions were not the best and your reaction was pretty meh too so should I be voting you?

Also I don't get your question to Inferno. Are you asking him about the votes on him or the entire dilemma involving you?

Can you explain the genuineness of their push and how the frustration in their 146 rings towny to you over frustrated scum?

@J: Soup brought it to my attention. I didn't notice it before. J I honestly think that if I were to attack anyone else right not I could be accused of something just because I'm doing it while pressured.

I don't understand your question "How is anything you're doing right now different from Inferno?" I mean, neither of us has really done anything so far. The only difference between us is that I asked a line of questions and that I've been defending myself. My early suspicion of him is because he made a "joke" post when there were other things to comment on.

I'm asking Inferno about his opinions on me and RF.

Alright, I can see how I was being a bit unfair in calling you out on the Inferno vote but the point still stands that I don't like the timing of it all. Yes, it could be as you said that you didn't notice it till Soup pointed it out, but I don't know if I want to fully believe that.

Now talk to me about Soup. If you are following his vote now, does that make him a town read for you? I'll exchange my read on him for this.

I would also like to ask how does a "Joke" post when other things were going on equate to Inferno being scummy? To be completely honest, I was tempted to just make a joke post and joke vote but decided against it for a couple of reasons. Would I have been scummy to joke vote you?

I don't get why you aren't getting on Rake more for this vote on you.

-------

Clover should really comment on everything.

Hmmm, I guess the point I'm getting at with this line of questioning is that I don't get the RFtown read you are getting from his posts. I mean RF is that kind of hydra where I am looking at it more analytically then actually taking what they say for face value.

I wasn't saying they were frustrated scum, I was saying that what makes them not that. Sorry for the confusion.

As I told Clover, RF is a null read. One I am actually curious in pursuing for a little bit but not at the current time. I'm still reading and trying to sort some things out. Plus half the player list hasn't posted yet and we've mainly just had RF vs. Swords and the new suspicion on Inferno arise.

What game are you talking about that needed to be redacted? RF hasn't played in any games since Adventure Time if I have the history correct.

I am looking at why they called out Swords. It's just something I didn't really agree to nor do I really see their train of thought but they are not answering my question of what truly makes Swords more Scummy over Dummy for his question.

You mention that you like me for my post on Swords (I assume since you said I ninja'd you hard), so talk to me about your Swords read and his vote on Inferno. You said he is null-leaning meh. So would you care for a Swords lynch or are you still sold on a InfernoScum route?

Soup, as we all know, Swiss is known for acting. What makes you read genuine frustration rather than simple acting?

Soup is definitely leaning town to me right now J.

I don't know what to tell you about the "timing" of my vote, because there's nothing I can really say that could assure my innocence.

It's not really so much the "joke post" in itself J, it's just that he only made that post (and the post answering my question), despite there being more to comment on. Of course there could be a lot of factors that don't point to him being scum as to why this is, but I still want to hear from him.

Good we are on the same page with Soup then for now. And alright, I will leave you to get your answers from Inferno before I pursue this any more.

Good question to Soup though, because that was more what I was trying to get at with Soup on questioning the genuineness of it.

Btw J what did you mean that my "reactions" were "meh?" Tbh that seems kinda vague and I would like you go into more detail about that.



More or less the same problem I ran into with his response to my 120. My reaction to his reaction ( x.x ) wouldn't happen to be what you're referring to, is it?

These are the two posts that came off a bit too defensive for me that made me think it was meh. I mean I don't like the way you kind of way you try and turn it back onto Soup and saying "I would love to hear if you have any better questions." because it seems a bit too defensive to just the notion of not liking you a bit.

Then when Soup responds to you, you say "Well I don't know what you'er expecting out of me" which seems weak and a bit...I can't think of the right word right now but I guess I would see a bit defeatist...that's not the right word but I hope you get what I am trying to say.

Oh Swords, we talked about this earlier, but do you agree that Clover will probably be one of the easiest slots to read this game in terms of whether he is towny or not?

Well I mean, I was trying to take the initiative to help get the game moving, but obviously I didn't really have anything to work with. Being accused of asking "useless questions" when literally the only types of questions you could ask at that point are useless is what made me reply the way I did, if you get me.

Also yes, I'll imagine that Clover should probably be one of the easier players to read this game. Why?

I don't like the Swords wagon and those pushing it should re-evaluate.

I was just seeing if you agreed with me on Clover is all. I'll probably be bouncing my read on him onto you to help me out.

Swords, what makes you of RF? Towny or Scummy if you had to pick a side right now?

I mean, he's really null. As I already told Soup, I have some WIFOMie thoughts in my head about him, and I want to see him actually do something more before I call it.

If I had to pick RIGHT NOW? Then I guess I'll lean town, just because I think it would be more likely that he's simply trying to see how I react rather than actually lynch me for the reasons he's stating.

I don't like J that you just stated that you don't like my wagon. I was just about to ask you a question about Rake that implied suspicion of him, but now if I do that I feel like I'll be accused of just following your lead to get out of pressure.

Or lack of reasons I should say.

J mind if I still ask that question about Rake (I'm assuming you're going to say yes, btw)?

Haha good assumption. Just ask me it dude. I want to see more of the Sword side of you than this Dancing side that is very cautious.

Hey, I don't think I'm being cautious. I was just trying to lead up to the question is all with a joke.

Anyways, what do you think of Rake right now? Because honestly, looking back, I really don't care for Rake's jump on my wagon. He's probably a worse offender than Inferno honestly. Like, I really didn't care for his 129. It comes right after defending me, and it's a very generic accusation and overall a bad justification of bandwagoning me.

Basically, what's your take of it? Scum or bad newbie (I'm leaning scumish). Note that he defended me (voice of his own), but then immediately retorted it (sheep). That's something I specifically want a take on.

@Rake: Same question as Inferno. What's your current opinion of me and RF? Also, J and Soup (basically everyone who is active)?

I think out of all the posters in the game so far, Rake the one most deserving of a lynch. In my intro post, I expressed distaste for Rake because he is being contradictory to what he said in the beginning and as you had pointed out, he also is somewhat contradictory. Plus none of the current wagons interest me, so I'm going to be hipster and create my own.

Vote: Anomandaris_Rake

I really dislike Inferno's push on Swords the more he goes into it.

I also like Krys.

So if Swords and RF were flirting this is essentially a make out session.

Oh and J I ninja'd you and quoted everything between you and Swords before and up to you mentioning talking about Clover earlier. It never happens in this thread.


BOLD and UNDERLINED portion

Now is it possible you had a pre-game discussion with Swords ? Maybe. IDK if that's agaisnt the rules. But the point is it doesn't happen here.

I'd hate to net 2 potential scum because of a small slip like this but really there is 0 logical way to explain how you talked to Swords about Clover before when I have just shown you didn't.

I previously stated that you were playing damn townie but seeing that sort of slip has pushed me.

You seriously need to clear this up.

UNVOTE

VOTE: J

Plus IDK how to characterize what you and Swords are doing but it's weird.

 

[Krystedez]

@Rake, I'm weak in regards to meta as I've only just met some of these players/entered Dgames. I was pretty intune with J in LoM, liked him all game. We'll see here :x But don't lean on my newbie claimz, I will meet all criticism head on.

Soup seems to play similar to me, maybe a bit more emotional I believe, works on his reads early but requires town bros / cooperation, he faltered quite a bit in getting his thoughts out there strong enough to make a difference in the wagons.

No one atm I have a lean for. Everyone is null. I want to take a stance, but not enough information. So far I'm particularly fond of pressuring Inferno for reads later on and see where that takes us. But for now I wait.

 

[Krystedez]

EBWOP: to make a difference in the wagons in LoM.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I think you should join me on J tbh.

I cannot see a logical explanation to having discussed something earlier short of a QT.
Especially with the way J worded it , it was too off / awkward to not be a slip IMO.

Plus more pressure may get J in here faster to clear this up.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

The only thing I could think of just right now is the presence of player's / role's with confirmed town reads on other players.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I think you should join me on J tbh.

I cannot see a logical explanation to having discussed something earlier short of a QT.
Especially with the way J worded it , it was too off / awkward to not be a slip IMO.

Plus more pressure may get J in here faster to clear this up.

which post are you referring to?

 

[#HBC | J]

......

Me and Swords had a Skype conversation a week ago about the current on-going newbie game after I had died.

I'll get to the rest later but I'm really just going "....." and the post I just read.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

well that's cool beans with me then.

Also yes I totally jumped on that because I'm stuck in a world where Skype is new fangled.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

so I'll just go back to sheeping RF cuz clearly I has no idea what I'm doing in this game yet.

UNVOTE

VOTE: Swords

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Rake is obvious town, but it hurts.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Someone shoot me.

I'll enjoy it.
Fo serious.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

J while your around can you explain why Swords is more Dummy Vs. Scummy when you get the time ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Scum wouldn't justify a vote on another scum as RVS if they were bussing, that's what makes the situation tricky. I don't think they're aligned.

Question:

2 scum teams ?
would that work with this number of players ?

Or maybe like a team of 2 and one who is unaware ?
I think there is some sort of role where they are mafia but aren't aware of the other mafia members ?

Is that a possible explanation ?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

a 13 man setup wouldn't have two scum teams

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

so it's probably a tri head then. sweet deal this'll be my first time dealing with that

 

[#HBC | Mac]

rake please stop posting

 

[Inferno3044]

I find it hard to believe seeing how RF had justification towards it, I don't think that you just decided to vote Swords because it was a cool thing to do. I don't understand why you're trying to justify it as RVS.

I already told you this, it had context, it had reasoning, SMoth had not posted anything at all at that time and Swords' already dropped his questions by then, why are you trying to shift this over to me?

Question:

2 scum teams ?
would that work with this number of players ?

Or maybe like a team of 2 and one who is unaware ?
I think there is some sort of role where they are mafia but aren't aware of the other mafia members ?

Is that a possible explanation ?

Three things:

1. You don't need to assume things too early, but having 2 scum teams of 2 is possible.
2. You're thinking too much. Just look for scum
3. The closest thing you are talking about is a mafia traitor. The traitor knows who the member of the mafia are, but the mafia doesn't know about him.

 

[#HBC | J]

@J - Why do you not like what I have said? I am saying that if you are trying to say something that someone is doing is scummy, you shouldn't do the same thing. On top of that, it was an OMGUS.

Basically, I don't like what you have to say when talking about Swords are any of your pushes. You continue to just deflect onto others and not own up to your own actions. You just throw out bunches of excuses and seem to hope one of them sticks as suitable for the situation. Like even in this quote you have 2 "logical" excuses that you are trying to use to satitate me in terms of your read on Swords but the thing is, it wasn't OMGUS really and also what Swords was doing wasn't hypocritical. More so, how does being hypocritical = scummy? If that is the case, you have been hypocritical in your read/attack on Swords so let me ask, should we find you scummy for the same thing you are accusing others of?

What was your read on Inferno J ?
And based on what ?

Could you talk to me bout T-Block ?
Or maybe Macman.

My read on Inferno is null possible scum-lean. I really don't know my opinion him. I dislike his pushed but I am trying to find the scum-intent and more just finding the self-preservation intent which can be indicative of towny but his posts are just full of deflecting onto others and not really owning up to his own actions.

Can you explain to me how in the world I could possibly talk about TB at this time?

I'll talk about Macman though. Macman holds nothing really within his posts that offer much substance. He's got a few questions out there, a few stances but nothing more really. Need more time to divulge into him and read him. Macman will be a read I will probably have at the end of the day-phase or toMorrow if we are both still around.

I want more than one-liners from him though. He is playing very cards close to the chest this game which is something I'm not used to with Macman.

I'll also answer your question about Swords now. When I was saying argument of Dummy vs. Scummy for Swords was when talking about the intent behind his questions which seem to be the main premise for RF's wanting Swords to die and I honestly doubt they will stop tunneling him till one of them dies or Swords claims something beneficial to RF's longevitey in the game. (As a side note: What I'm trying to say about RF's push on Swords, it's at the barest look of it, is null.) What I feel is that Sword's questions did not hold scummy intent behind them and feel more that they were just useless and that was the bottom line to it. There was nothing scummy with what Swords had done at first.

The only time I will say that I did not like Swords was his reaction to Soup's questioning earlier in the game and his Inferno vote gave me a weird vibe that made me do a double-check on him. I actually have found myself to have a town-read on Swords after all has been said in done so far on this wagon on him and would much rather have other people die in the game before him.

@Clover: In your last post you seemed to have a lot to say on everything that went on but you didn't pick a side at all but instead decided to plant your foot in the middle of the entire argument. I liked your reasoning but I don't like the way you seem to be content with not sticking your neck out into anything yet. I want something more concrete and shows some intiative from you.

It's about time for a vote change.

Unvote

I just don't know where yet. Might be willing to throw my vote onto the Inferno wagon but I need to do a re-read of his posts before I finalize if that is really where I want my vote.

 

[T-block]

hallo i'm here - reading up now

 

[John2k4]

Whyyyyyy do you guys post so much on days when I am busy?

@John2k4 - What do you make of Inferno and Rake after their recent attempts at justifying their votes?

I skimmed a few of their posts at first, but looking at them again I don't have any qualms at the moment.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Shadow Moth (1) - Gheb_01
Sworddancer. (3) - Radical Fiction, Inferno3044, Anomandaris_Rake
Inferno3044 (3) - Яagnarock, Sworddancer., Macman

Not Voting (6): Shadow Moth, Krystedz, John2k4, Clover, T-block, J

deadline is july 18th 11:59 pm est

 

[Swiss]

Marshy PM me the scumteam real quick.

 

[T-block]

I've read in-depth up until 200. Skimmed the rest.

vote: Sworddancer

The questions he asked in 101 seemed very forced. In fact, he admits they are forced in 135. If that's the case, why does he not address Smoth or me in his first post, when Gheb gets a question that's pure fluff?

^That's not inherently scummy in any way I know, but it does make me wary about his motives.

Totally agree with J's 160 in that there's inconsistency between the way Sword treats Inferno and Rake. Not satisfied with the way he addressed that either, as he never provides a reason for that inconsistency... basically says he missed it, even though later he says Rake's offence was worse than Inferno's.

Disliking 176... He tries to preempt any questioning he might receive for his actions, with an AtE flavour to it, and it shows how conscious he is of how he is perceived by other players. His approach to RF's slot, even within this post alone, doesn't make sense - "WIFOMie thoughts" and is looking to see more before he makes a call, yet he still feels able to make a "if I had to pick right now" statement. Why state that you wish to look deeper at a slot (ie- past surface level), and then throw out a surface-level read? Just to appease J's question? Doesn't read genuine to me. Throw 137 in there as well - nothing about the way he approaches RF's slot reads genuine.

Asking whether he can still ask his question in 177 is just blatant posturing (again, too concerned with how he appears, etc. etc.). I'm actually shocked that he denies playing cautiously in 179.

@Macman: In 197 you vote Sword right after you said the push on him had no logical backing. Was the vote serious? Why did you place the vote there?

@Clover: What is your relationship with J? Do you know him personally, or is there a reason why he seems to be the person you are most comfortable talking to in this thread?

Town reads on Inferno, Soup, and Rake so far. It will take some solid convincing for me to vote Inferno - do people dislike still mostly for his jump onto Sword? If so, that is being blown way out of proportion.

 

[Swiss]

vote: Sworddancer

Cha-cha-cha...CHA-CHA-CHA

ROCK YOUR BODY

ERRYBODY

 

[#HBC | marshy]

bumping this for a votecount at the top of page 8. this bump has been brought to you by only real men use 40 ppp