Discworld Mafia - Game Over - Scum Wins!

[Delvro]

Which one? I'm not going to answer "why do you choose to act so scummy"? That question, honestly, is a trap.

 

[Mayling]

delvro, you trollin???

delvro why so quiet?

i saw delvro and kuz looking but they didn't say anything, gorditoboy too!! i see you, i see you!!!

omg delvro looked and went away again

it mean dat dere greggu gonna die if he don't get to speakin'

quackquack

 

[#HBC | J]

Smash it means I even have more substance then you and I have jussted started using my DSi because I am supposed to be V/LA but found a ****ty way to play so I can keep up and post. So where's your excuse for ignoring questions/riding out your claim eh? Seriously what is even the puurpose of your question? Yes i have just started using my DSi. Also it has to do with the current reason why I might be replaced when you have barely done anything and would make a more plausable person to look at PLUS it has even more of a reason as to why people are voting th3smarg because of their request for my modkill instead of replacement AND their unwillingness to even let me try to post.

grr and now I know you're gonna disappear right after I just answered you *sigh*

my votes on th3smarg right? please tell me it is.

 

[McFox]

 

[UTDZac]

McFox and Mayling, you two seem to follow each other a lot.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I can tell the duck is male by the shape of its hind feathers. <-- scumtell

 

[Mayling]

McFox and Mayling, you two seem to follow each other a lot.

Welcome to five pages ago.

 

[#HBC | J]

Aw phooie sincepeoplewanna ignore question >:[

Unvote
Vote: th3smarg

Also wasn't i the one who pointed out Mayling/McFox? xD

 

[Delvro]

quackquack

Already answered the first one, and all the others can be answered as follows:

I'm not going to say anything unless there's something that I feel like saying.

Now answer my question. Or don't and let Swiss do it. Either way.

 

[Mayling]

I already said I was going to do a reread.

ps You're no fun this game.

 

[McFox]

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Spoiler

J, are you saying that t3s is the only one you actually believe to be scum? With Gordo and Swiss only as "meh"? Curious as to why you're so sure UTD's town too. Detailed thoughts on him and smashmashine would be nice. Not requesting a replacement for you as long as you can answer stuff, hope you understand that.

Smash, what are you doing? You post no content - are you even trying? If you can't play for whatever reason you should strongly consider requesting replacement. You're only hurting the town's progress at the moment [and yes, I do believe you're town still].

T3S, are you serious? You think it's "too late" to request a replacement even though it's still only day 1? Like, I can see a new player misunderstanding stuff he hasn't encountered yet but some things are just so ... easy to see with mere common sense that I find it hard to believe that you actually went on the forefront to get somebody modkilled. Especially since said player seems to be generally considered town so far.

Still would love to hear answers from people regarding my questions on UTD's plan. Only "answer" I got was a counter question from Gordo and I think answers to this questions will give us some pretty good leads toMorrow once we get flips from players in question. Plenty of suspects in my book and plenty of info we can gain if people are willing to work together here.

 

[X1-12]

J will be replaced. He can still post until I officially tell him not to (when I have found a replacement)

D1 Votecount!

th3smarginator (4) GorditoBoy69, J, Mayling, Cello_Marl
UTDZac (2) Swiss, th3Smarginator
Swiss (3) Delvro, McFox, Gheb
smashmachine (1) UTDZac


Not Voting (2) smashmachine, Kataefi

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is Dec 4th! at 5PM GMT

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Mod: If you are unable to find a replacement for J, can he stay in the game instead of being modkilled?

 

[X1-12]

@Mod: If you are unable to find a replacement for J, can he stay in the game instead of being modkilled?

It depends on his level of activity over the 8 full real life days that I have to search for a replacement.


Furthermore if anyone is aware of someone who wishes to replace in, I give permission to tell them about this game, but only that a replacement is needed. Beyond that Rule #3 is still in effect

3.) No communication about this game is allowed with non-players or players who are dead, even if you yourself are dead. (If you are dead, you may not discuss the game with anyone who is currently playing, even if you could while you were alive, unless your role specifically states otherwise.)

 

[X1-12]

Nabe officially replaces J. J do not continue to post in this thread.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@ mod, votecount

 

[UTDZac]

Didn't the mod just do a vote count?

 

[Swiss]

@ mod is it the names or numbers which are accurate in the vote count?

 

[UTDZac]

Yeah now that I look at it, I don't understand the vote count at all.

 

[X1-12]

@ mod is it the names or numbers which are accurate in the vote count?

It was the names, I move the names around and sometimes forget to change the numbers afterwards. Its fixed now.

 

[smashmachine]

towards the end, j was doing exactly what he led a wagon on th3 for
but then again, he's gone now, so let's see what his replacement does
vote: swiss

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

^^^^
I haven't read the thread yet, but you should judge me based on whatever J did. Replacements don't get blank slates.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I

haven't read the thread yet, but you should judge me based on whatever J did. Replacements don't get blank slates.

^This

FoS Smash

Usually when people vote in this game, there's reason. Wanna, ya know, provide some?

 

[Swiss]

^^^^
I haven't read the thread yet, but you should judge me based on whatever J did. Replacements don't get blank slates.

You're so pro town it hurts.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Best way to play scum, Swissy.

Side note while I read the thread: it occurred to me that I should maybe stop by Chapters and pick up one these Discoland novels to get a feel for the flavour.

There are 38 of these bad boys. My body is not ready.

 

[Kataefi]

Ya deadline's coming close and now's not a good time to let things simmer out.

Nabe you should squeeze us in a detailed account of everything you think so far and super-quick

@Gord: I didn't call you scum btw. Also I cited Zelda mafia for that very reason it included newbies because his interactions with Machine here are similar, and he's getting called out for it. But I partly agree that it's never wise to go off entirely on meta but I don't think Swiss has been relatively scummy in this game thus I'm leaning more non-scum atm and find the sudden strange shift in momentum against him to be weird and opportunistic by some!

<-- known also as the amazing death stare.

Do people agree with UTD here? Like, if smash just dodges prods all day that lynching him takes top priority and a vig takes care of our Gordo/Swiss/UTD-issues?

Surprised you didn't list T3S here despite them being an issue this game also. I wouldn't oppose a Machine wagon because despite "seeing plenty games" they don't appear to be playing like they have - everything about them seems to be very vague, almost deliberately so. I have others in mind but I need to evaluate a few things! I'm not comfortable with imaginary vig doing anything toNight (if there even is one in this setup).

Cello's ignoring me =(

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Nabe you should squeeze us in a detailed account of everything you think so far and super-quick

Deadline on the 4th? Psh, loads of time.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@Kat

Yea, I get what you're saying. I'm leaning swisstown atm, not necessarily swiss notscum (unless you of course include indy's in the term scum, in which case i'm feeling swiss nonscum as well). Just bleh. He'll end up showing his true colors eventually. I have a bit of a hard time sometimes reading Swiss early. I just hope I'm right on this one .

What do, or did, whichever applies, you feel was different wrt my push on a noob (th3 (it was obv not smargz talking at the time, she was V/LA, and smargz talks better haha)), and Swiss' push on a noob (smash)?

 

[UTDZac]

Nabe... are you going to be posting in pink? =(

Once you read the thread you'll see I convinced him to switch to a different color. I use a white background, black text skin for SWF, so I can't really see pink text.

Spoiler

And still can't freakin read Gheb's Trob gibberish on my smartphone

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Yeah, I see it now. I guess it matches my avatar? But it doesn't really have the same humourous punch as me using pink. Dropping it altogether.

 

[Kataefi]

What do, or did, whichever applies, you feel was different wrt my push on a noob (th3 (it was obv not smargz talking at the time, she was V/LA, and smargz talks better haha)), and Swiss' push on a noob (smash)?

Omg you stole the death stare! Despite this theft that I will sue you for at a later date I thought your push on a newbie was more from a coaching perspective and seemed off whereas I thought Swiss and even T3S looked with intent to question him more because presumably they knew nothing about him. I'm talking strictly about Smash that is btw. J did this too but then went into super-tunnel mode. Regarding your push on T3S... I thought it came across opportunistic because of how convenient you suddenly agreed with J's reasoning as if to encourage him in his somewhat tunnelled pursuit (because this was the point in which it started to snowball) and also because it didn't look like you were going with your own reads and using someone else's despite claiming earlier you could read smar well. It was until later you made it more clear you're pushing the T3S side rather than the Smar side... and then ur recent posts had me reviewing over a few things. I hope this answers your question.

 

[Kataefi]

It was until later you made it more clear you're pushing the T3S side rather than the Smar side...

Sorry not the T3S side I meant the Kuz side... all these names...

 

[Mayling]

J = Best freind
Did you say Advent Children? or Advent Children Complete? There's

a difference you know.
What no Kupo! This time?

I hate you.

Worthless, no content.

Aww you saw the suckish

version. If you want to see it done over, have a better plot,

cooler longer fight scenes, and Cloud almost killed, watch the

BlueRay version.

Also, Forgot to

Vote Cello

I'm still salty that you actually pulled that off.

Worthless, no content. (RVS vote.)

No that happened in the

origional. I'm saying, when

Spoiler

Sephiroth

stabs

Cloud about a 100x times.

Also, your right last post on the subject, promise.

Worthless, no content.

I know I havent been posting

much, or not at all for that matter. But I'll try to catch up

later today. My laptop is out of battery and wont charge. I

havent been able to buy a new cord yet so I'll be posting on my

Wii for the time being.

Worthless, no content.

My comp is still dead, I'm

going to replace out.

Sorry X1

Worthless, no content.

Delvro replaces in.

Hey guys. I've already read the thread

once but don't understand what's going on yet.

First person to explain to me what's going on gets my vote. =D

Reading through the thread a second time.

Worthless, no content.

Ok, finished reading. I'm surprised people

aren't voting for Swiss.

VOTE: Swiss

Ok, I'm off to food/class now!

RVSesque vote. No explanation, no reason.

I voted Swiss cause of Gheb. Gheb told

me to give a fresh perspective so I had no choice but to obey.



Clearly putting fake pressure on Smash is at the top of

Swiss's mind, considering Swiss got a vote from Gheb for doing

this very thing a few pages back. Projecting?

Swiss votes for T3S to "specifically put Kuz at L-1/2".

(#265), then, he quickly chastizes J, telling J not to put him at

L-1 (#273)

Finally, Swiss has a lot of advice to offer. A LOT. And it's

good advice. But it's just general advice. And advice is cheap.

Mafia LOVES advice. They look great, and they're not risky at

all.
Townies love advice too. But so do mafia.
Opinions aren't cheap though, but Swiss has few definitive

opinions about players that hasn't been said by someone else

before him.


Kupo!

Trolling, good post. Why haven't we seen more from this Delvro?

Spoiler

Dangit those were supposed to be

spoiler tags.

Worthless, no content.

No content, but funny.

Spoiler

Yes Master!

UTDZac is really the only other guy I can convince myself to vote

for at this moment. So if you guys think the Swiss case is dumb

(and I'd like to know why please), then I'll vote UTD.

And no, I'm not hopping on the T3S case. I smell a rat I

mean horse I mean Swiss cheese.

Vote......... UTD? (not bolded)

By the way I hope you enjoyed my mild teasing of everyone's

posting restrictions that I've seen so far. UTD's in particular

makes no sense at all and clearly Mayling's been trying to

pressure it but theN UTD disappeared into the land of mirrors.

HOOPLA!

Another post that offers at least some insight.

So are we going to vote UTC or are we

gonna just talk about voting UTC?

VOTE UTC

Also Swiss you're funny

Quoted for freaking truth

Worthless, almost no content.

unvote

vote ufc

Cool stuff, guess I'll hop back on Swiss

VOT: SWISS

Worthless, no content.

Vote for Swiss then please.

Commanding lil ol me around! With no explanation or anything!

People are voting Swiss cause I started

the wagon this time, and I'm awesome.

Gheb you're welcome to join us. After all, you were the one that

inspired me to vote.

Swiss for president

Trolling.

The wagon on Gordito is Dumb.

T3S is a maybe

Almost no content, no explanation why.

All right, I remember reading the thread

and thinking I didn't like the wagon on t3s enough to place a

vote on it for some reason. I don't remember what that reason is.

So if someone asks reeeeally nicely and maybe explains precisely

why they think t3s is scummy, I might switch my vote.

In fact, Mayling, I think you should do it. Or Swiss. You think

t3s is scummy, right Swiss?
Thanks!

Easy way to get out of trouble later. Commanding lil ol me

around!

In case it wasn't clear before I'm

starting to think that t3s is scummier than I did orignally but I

don't really have a good explanation why except that just about

every post he makes is a lil weird

True.

Which one? I'm not going to answer "why do

you choose to act so scummy"? That question, honestly, is a

trap.

No, honestly, you're CHOOSING to act this way. I can tell. You're

a smart person, a smart player, but you CHOOSE to act this way.

You CHOOSE to not give us information, or little information. I

noticed in your ISO that there's two posts that I actually like

of yours, which was almost enough to swing me over to thinking

you're towny, yet you choose to act SCUMMY.

It can't be that you're a PR and you're trying to hide behind the

fact you're a PR, and you're acting scummy so you won't get night

killed. You're been PRs in the past and acted fine (see: Mayfia.)

So, no, my question of why do you choose to act this way is very

legit, because it is very obvious you choose to act this way.

Already answered the first one, and all

the others can be answered as follows:

I'm not going to say anything unless there's something that I

feel like saying.

Now answer my question. Or don't and let Swiss do it. Either

way.

(_(_)

Final thoughts and verdict for toDay.
Delvro

Delvro makes good points and I like two of what his posts say.

However, before his replacement, Seph was high mine WORTHLESS. I

can't believe we let him slip past so long! All of Seph's posts

had zero to no content, and Delvro replaced in almost acting

exactly the same way. I know Delvro is a smart player that would

know not to act scummy, so I can't fathom why he is.

 

[Mayling]

/confirming

I'm the frog.

No comment

@Swiss: No, you can't.

@smashmachine: Best thing you can do is put your vote wherever mine is. That's your final warning.

@J: I evaluate the information that is available to me. I can't help it that 1) you choose to stink like **** all the time and 2) people make spur of the moment decisions and/or don't give information that would alter my opinions. Want to hold hands with me too? It'll save you from having to claim.

@Kat: *stare*

SephMasa is town.

@Meimu and Alex: omgomg, Admiral jumped on the tapestry thingie hanging in the living room and climbed up to the top then the tack popped out and he rode it to the ground i want him also secretly look at each other's pms

Bossing around lil noobs. Typical Cello play. Question is, is he forcing his towniness, or is he really townie?

Immediate saying Seph is town, but why? What do you think of Delvro now?

I actually thought this was smargaret.

No content, worthless.

@Gheb: What happens if you break your restriction?

Needing more info.

Vote: Gheb

smashmachine, put your vote on Gheb or you're dead.

Not sure where the vote from cello to gheb comes from.

Prove this.

I swear, if we ever go No Lynch in this game, I will personally plant pot in Gordito's school locker, backpack, personal computer and novelty items. Then tell his mom.

Pushing gheb for more info, otherwise no content (sorta.)

The game won't maintain this pace. Game starts are always faster than the middle.

@Delvro: Are you a PR?

Delvro was not in this game at this point. o_o Dunno what was with this post.

Moar Gheb votes. Six hour lynch. Let's do this.

@Kat: SephMasa is town because he was scum.

Pushing gheb for little reason, no explanation.

Using the logic fallacy of math.

That's it, I have to go play with Admiral now baibai.

No content, worthless.

@J: We're holding hands, right? Vote for Gheb, please.

Talking to J.

Amusing, but if you're really trying to act like me, you should be browbeating him until you hear his self-esteem shatter and is willing to vote for whoever you want just to get you to shut up.

Unvote Vote th3smarg

No reason

@J: I'll go along with you if you agree to go along with me toMorrow against Gheb, or vice versa. Deal?

@Kat: Swiss is town. I'm fine with getting rid of T3S if I have to to get rid of Gheb. What do you think of him? If you want me to take my vote off of T3S, I'll do that if you vote for Gheb.

@Swiss: Probably townie points since smash thought claiming would take care of all of his problems. Could you see a T3S/Gheb scumteam?

@T3S/Gordito: What do you mean by "asset to scum"? His vote being manipulated? Why not just scrutinize people that are influencing him, like say, Gheb?

Content added after refresh:

Yeah, let's lynch T3S.

@Mayling: I saw him looking at the thread. T3S is scum, is the reason I'm keeping my vote on him.

Not really anything here.

Unvote th3kuz

No reason.

@J and T3S: About the viewing thread thing, Mayling asked me why I thought Delvro was in the game. I was referring to him. The reason I had changed my mind about T3S was because I realized he was pressuring inactives 9 hours after they posted last. On Thanksgiving eve. Plus, it was specifically inactivity that his issue, as compared to fluff posting, which would have been reasonable.

Good reason, but he unvoted th3kuz. Never really explains why he thought Delvro was in the game, or even why he asked if he was a PR, considering Delvro had said nothing at this point.

About Kat's list of players, since X1 said he had to think about it, we can infer that Kat's list is real and the information he has on townies is also real unless he simply flat-out mistaken. Scum-Kat would simply know who town is; why would he need permission for anything? What would he have gotten permission for? Nothing. So, X1 has confirmed Kat as town along with whoever Vimes and Fred Colon's players are. Although "from my pic I found a list of other pics" really sounds like he followed the hyperlink for his picture, X1 doesn't seem to find that to be using metadata to break the game. Not that I'm complaining, but if I were scum, I'd be pissed.

Have you followed the link from your hyperlink? I assume you're smart enough to find the list Kat has talked about. Why haven't you tried to find it, seeing as it has been allowed to be discussed within the game?

Both SmashMachine and T3S seem to have thought that the actions available to them, claiming and revealing their breadcrumbs respectively, would take care of their problems. That reeks to me of noobtown, basically what McFox said concerning T3S.

Agree on Smashmachine, don't agree so much with th3. Smashmachine seemed to imply he actually has a PR, while not a smart play because he didn't have hardly any suspicion on him, is too late to take back now. th3, on the other hand, breadcrumbed VT. wat.

J's inquisitive nature is a Good Thing, and probably the closest way that another player has acted that must be how people typically view my blitzy-gets reactions style of play. His points are tunnelly but natural.

As was said about UTD's role, it would be really janky if he were scum, so we can assume that he is town.

Assuming an innocent investigation from Vimes (and as long as Vimes and/or Fred isn't/aren't one/some of aforementioned people), we should be able to just go ahead and win the game by lynching everyone else that isn't the people that I just mentioned, so Swiss, Gordito, Gheb, SephMasa Mayling and McFox unless they claim to be a clear. I really don't have a starting preference.

You seemed to have abandoned this thought. What happened to this?

I was quiet because I have limited reserves of energy, and if I can let someone else take the reigns either for a while or entirely, I can focus my efforts where they are needed. Now especially, this game seems well in hand.

Fair enough. I had already suspected something like that had happened.

Vote: Swiss

I like the people on this wagon more than Gordito's. T3S wagoners should abandon ship or be next on the chopping block.

Very threatening, but abandoned very quickly.

Seriously, Meimu, what is with your Kuz hate?

Never answered why the kuz love.

unvote, vote th3smarg

@mod, request J replacement

I think his saying modkill was a slip. I'm going to need to rethink this.

For some reason, I feel town Cello would have pursued this a lot more than he did. From the play that i remember from Cello, he would have hounded and hounded and hounded this slip for any information he could have gathered. Then again it's been a while since i've played with Cello.

@UTD: Day 1, yes, but 576 posts. Some people have aversions to reading. And yet play this game. I'll never figure it out.

Anyway, that's seven. I just asked Ryu if he wanted to join, but he said no.

No content, worthless.

@Mod: If you are unable to find a replacement for J, can he stay in the game instead of being modkilled?

No content, worthless.

CelloMarl

Similar to Delvro, Cello has enough posts in there to remind me of a reminiscent sort of TownCello. I wonder if he's trying to coattail on other people, fading into the background, simply so he can finish his other games. Maybe he has a claim he can rely on so he doesn't have to put much thought into this game. I don't know why, but similar to Delvro, he's being just as lazy and not providing much insight. I put him above Delvro on towniness, however, although I've seen about the same amount that I like from both of them, because Delvro's Seph really hurt him by contributing NOTHING.

 

[Mayling]

this is my first game, but i've seen plenty
@th3smarginator: why would you claim cop that early

What exactly did you mean by "seen plenty"? Did you read them online? Did you watch people participate irl?

yeah...that doesn't sound threatening at all
FoS: Cello_Marl

Responding to Cello's Threat.

nice triple post
why would we just lynch gheb?

At lesat questioning.

whoops i was super late
how do you remove FoS

Supernoob.

Wait..... if you knew what FoS was, why wouldn't you know that it isn't something you could remove?

swiss mentioned lynching gheb

Sort of worthless post.

oh wow i really did not read closely
questioning someone's experience isn't really town or scum, at least most of the time

I actually like this.

you're going to make ANOTHER threat
Vote: Cello_Marl

Regardless, seems sort of threatened by Cello.

wait...let me fix that
Vote: Cello_Marl

No real content.

why does everyone say don't mess with cello?

Sort of a good question. Was it answered? It's because Cello is very hard strong and will argue you to death.

man, this game goes like 100x faster than the games i've read through

No worthful content.

*checks other mafia games*
nope, still goes 50x faster lol

can we have a votecount at this point

No worthful content.

i should swtich to 40 ppp lol

No worthful content.

since when was i butthurt over that
i just asked why he did that

minor FoS: GorditoBoy69

This is true. Smash didn't get "butthurt" over the cop n0 thing. He did just ask a question, clarifying it since he didn't get the joke. Makes sense to me, Why would Gord try to say he got butthurt over it?

partly to see his reaction, especially with the "minor" part
why did you suddenly vote for sephiroths

At least he's responding to question, altho it defends the purpose of gauging reactions if you admit that's what you're doing.

this is completely unrelated, but how do you edit the title of a thread (that you made)

No useful content.

i'm the one being asked all the questions, not the one asking them

and i've already answered the first question like WAY back
i've played games IRL, have only read through online games
i don't have too much of an opinion on that exchange

oh and unvote

No real useful content. (Oh except I got the answers to my question. =3)

i think smarg/swiss is more suspicious than gheb
and wait...i answered the first and second question together

It's good he's making stances, but he never seems to give reasons.

@gordito: it's because they happen to be pretty much spamming questions (even if it wasn't at me, i'd still find it suspicious)
and what's a hydra

Can you explain why asking questions is suspicious?

gah i hate it when you post while i'm typing stuff up

No useful content.

asking too many questions=/=trying to find out someone's alignment
it's funny how i could just roleclaim and get out of this

How else would you find out someone's alignment?

whoa
I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY THAT

No useful content.

i'm pretty sure X1 wouldn't just give a list of town...that would be the most broken strategy ever
and from the rules there could be more than one mafia group

Sorta useful, making stances.

i can't exactly get on here much when my parents are always watching me and don't want me on this forum

@j: if i had to vote someone right now, i would choose either th3 or gord
more stuff coming later

LIAR. He never gave us more content.

haha in before the prod

>_<

if swiss wasn't already at l-2 i would vote him
i still don't buy UTD's PR because he didn't exactly follow it all the time

and what's up with all the pictures

Why were you scared of putting swiss at L-2?

Good point about UTD's posting restriction.

The pictures is just something funny some of us do (McFox, myself, Delvro and occassionally CelloMarl.)

you JUST STARTED using your dsi
and what does that have to do with what's going on now
(obviously directed at j)

No useful content.

towards the end, j was doing exactly what he led a wagon on th3 for
but then again, he's gone now, so let's see what his replacement does
vote: swiss

Why were you so scared of putting Swiss at L-2 and then you just did?

smashmachine

The only reason why I find smashmachine remotely town is that he suggested he had a PR. His play seems uninhibited and undirected; meaning to say I don't think he has buddies telling him how to act. I feel if he had friends, he'd be more inclined to input more, because he'd just be vomiting up the information they find him. Instead, he seems more of a straggler. He actually makes some good points, but never follows up on them. Why? I feel he could be better if he tried (okay, maybe not , but I wish.) I don't think Town should lynch him, but maybe we should make him claim and have mafia take care of him. No, I'm completely serious. I feel he's town, but someone should get rid of him so he doesn't muck up end game and make the wrong choice.

 

[Mayling]

I didn't feel like going through Kat's posts, gave them a quick lookthru and pretty much still content that Kat is TownTown.

Katalingo

 

[Mayling]

Vote Smashmashine
How many games of mafia have you played up to now?

RVS question.

"Seen" as in you just read through them or "seen" as in you actually watch them unfold? Just asking to get an idea on your background or previous experience. The more we know the more effectively we can work and the less likely we are do misunderstand you.

More RVS questions.

Most posting restrictions are based on the game's flavor anyway. Unfortunately, I know nothing about the flavor of this game [yet] so I don't even understand the idea behind it myself. I guess I should wiki it to see if there's a connection.

And what do you mean by "doing it for RVS stuff"? Like, what RVS-related purpose would it fulfill to post the way I do?

I still don't understand why Gheb wouldn't wiki more info about his PR, but to each his own.

The Arcanine postbit can't be spoilered JFYI. It has no effect on the way I post or what I post.

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I'm not a big fan of the RVS *shrugs*
Everything I post I try to make as purposeful as possible and I don't think posting everything in spoilers is very purposeful.

Cello, I'm not allowed to tell.

Nothing really useful.

Unvote Vote: Swiss
FoS: Cello

Do you really need to nudge the newest player that hard this early? You're that desperate to misguide the town to pick the easiest target so blatantly? Why don't you just claim scum - it's not like you're making a big secret out of it.

This is a good point.

Cool story, bro.

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Don't misconstrue my actions. Just because I'm attacking you doesn't mean I'm on his side. I have no reason to trust him and I will not consider him town unless I have a reason to.

Doesn't change the fact that you're scum.

Only a bad town would let a player like Cello take control like that. He's not more capable of using sound logic than anybody else - on the contrary. He actually actively refuses to make use of it. Why follow somebody like that?

Have you ever played games with Cello other than l4s?

I can say my character but I won't do it now or any other time toDay.

You're missing my point. It's not what I assume him to do - it's what I assume what scum would do. One thing I can see scum doing is trying to nudge the newer players early in the game. If people don't follow you can always pull the "it was just RVS and I wanted to get a read on him"-card. If people do follow then you get an opportunity to get rid of a townie with little consequences. Since he's the newest player it shouldn't be too hard for you to paint him in a bad light.

It's one of those scenario's that is win/win for scum to play and I strongly believe that you were trying to set up said scenario with smashmashine.

You can't prove something that is not. I'm clearly complaining about a negative; in this case the absence of your logic. You can prove the existence or presence of something but not the opposite of it.

I don't even know what the smallcap option is.

I don't see how there's still a question about it? It's a sweeping statement, OK. But it's not like the logic behind it is fairly easy to see. The post you referring to already contains the answer. I'm pretty sure you would know by now.

Well, that's exactly the cop-out a scumbag would use in Swiss' position. There are obviously better ways to get a "feeling" on a new player than to shamelessly make a fool of him based on some inside-joke. Do you earnestly think that he would get a worthwhile answer to a point that is a complete joke? That he doesn't even understand what the joke is? Hell, that he is even supposed to know it's a joke? No, it looks more like an attempt to discredit him right away and to keep himself a door open in case he needs an easy mislynch.

Generally, I do like this post. It's possible that Gheb is an experienced player taking advantage of trying to protect the noob. Gheb, what did you think of smashmachine at this point? Did you think he was town, scum or other? I do appreciate your points, but worry some that it's an act of trying to make Gheb look like the good guy by pointing out the weakness in attacking a noob. Afterall, protecting the newbie is just as easy as attacking the noobie, if you know he's town.

That's not what I meant. I was talking about how Swiss was trying to get smash into a stupid argument based on his nudges and jokes to which smashmashine might've not reacted accordingly. SM might've given an answer that looks unacceptable to many people here or awkward enough for them to find it suspect. That's what I mean when I say "painting somebody in a bad light".

I know nobody would lynch smash for that - but there's a solid chance that people would've wanted to lynch him based on the [unfavorable] exchanges afterwards. There's no town-aligned reason for Swiss to set-up up such a scenario and I'm surprised that Cello did not just fail to see it but actually got behind it.

I like this point.

Why should I believe you? A "juicy" town mislynch is harder to justify than a nub mislynch and harder to pull off as well - I'm actually highly inclined to think that you don't have the ability to score such a "juicy" mislynch yet, no offense.[/SPOILER]

Ironically, I could make exactly the same claim now about pressuring you. You can always make things look beneficial that way - "if it worked it worked and if it doesn't work we can learn from it and it's also good". Well, that's not a real argument. More like a "universal justification for everything". In actuality that whole argument should be treated as null, while you try to take credit for it.

Obviously, I must've missed it and I still don't see it now. I guess I'll drop the issue in the event that you are able to point out in detail how it became useful. I hope you have more to contribute to that subject than a one-liner or a couple of jokes considering that you started the whole issue.

No, that has nothing to do with it then.

If it's so easy to see the difference between noob town and noob scum then surely you must agree with this:

I take it then that you - Gordo - have no issues with it? Take a close look at what's happening now: People are voting for smash now because he's been "looking horrible all game". Guess who tried his best to make it look that way? Bingo - it's the guy I'm voting for and for the moment [unless he show's me the pro-town aspect of his plan] my opinion remains that it was his whole intention to make smash look bad. Now here's a question for you:

Do you agree with T3S here that SM has been looking horrible all game and thus is scum? If so wouldn't you think that voting SM is the right path of action?
If you disagree with them, do you not also think that Swiss has to take a lot of responsibility for what's happening? Do you approve of T3S piggybacking him now?

It's part of it at least. If SM is truly looking horrible then I don't understand how people fail to see that Swiss played a major role for discrediting right off the start. And I hope your question isn't serious? There are plenty of different ways to get a read on a player than to make him look like a stupid noob [which is really the only think Swiss' joke could've led to in the first place]. You can also just ask serious questions. It's no surprise to me that he's hesitating about answering people when everything he tries to do is turned against him.

]I actually looked it up in between. What does this have to do with me not wanting to claim though? I wouldn't character claim even if I still didn't know who my character is.

1.) I don't care about your opinion before you raise valid points, which you haven't yet.
2.) Claiming Character =/= Proving oneself town
3.) It would not be in town's best interest if I am killed.

Generally, I like this point and I wished I paid more attention to it when it happened. I definitely think Swiss would be a good lynch today for the points brought up here. However, I found it hard to trust Gheb because he was so adamant about not wanting to character claim. Sort of understandable, but the way he was going about it seemed like he wasn't interested in proving his towniness.

I trust his points more now, also considering I find Smash more on the towny side. Of course, scum can easily just as say "It would not be in town's best interest if I am killed" or even a VT to say it... and anyway, why would you saay that considering mafia can still kill you?

I can live with this answer but highly disapprove of the attitude. I guess I have to accept it as a flaw of yours but at the same time I can't help but think that you should have learned from your mistakes long ago. I'll keep my eye on you.

Unvote for the moment though.

In this case there's not just the possibility of being correct for you - there is no other possibility. My main issue is that you have clearly set up a scenario which you take credit from regardless of what happens. You would've always had a cop-out, which is pretty ideal for scum.

Could you reword that? I don't have the slightest clue what you're trying to tell me.

More stuff about Swiss/Gheb exchange, blahblahblah point has been made.

Typically flavor is the reason on which posting restrictions are based. That doesn't mean that it's the only possibility though - sometimes restrictions are given to others by players [such a role existed in megamafia] or he could've simply added it for balance sake [I did that in Muppets, where I applied more obvious restrictions to PRs].

That's a possibility and not too unlikely either. I'm curious to see where this discussion is going, especially since I'm not sure why T3S voted smash. After all, I did already point out the issues with him and why people are too much inclined to think of him as scum.

Personally I don't see how posting restrctions help balance a game. They may make it more fun, but I don't see how this particular PR was suppose to balance out anything. We still see what you say, can read it, you put everything out on the open. Psychologically, it was a pain to deal with and I think had an impact on people not taking what you said as seriously (due to smartphone and the pain having to deal with the PR.) However, I highly doubt X1 could have foreseen that this effect would have been placed upon you due to your PR. Even now I'm angry that I have to remove your spoiler tags.

I feel the talk and actions around him are what's scummy, not he himself. So yes, I feel exactly that way.

You raise a good point and I also don't see why it should be OK for Gordo to vote somebody else for doing something he is partly responsible of himself. That looks a bit like he's trying to give somebody else the blame and I do not like that. At least Swiss doesn't point at others when he knows he's been wrong - that doesn't mean I don't have him on my scumlist but with the recent events I'm a bit re-evaluating and undecided between Gordo and T3S. Gordo's points against T3S are legit though. Wondering how much pro-town he had in mind when posting that.

Hmm...

I see my name is being tossed around a lot when it comes to scumlists. Typically I'm not #1 on any list though. What's up with that? So many people think I won't make a bad lynch but I haven't heard any concrete accusations at all. That's dumb.

Seems interested in knowing why he's on scumlists, legit. I don't know if anyone actually answered him; suspicions probably came from the fact that he had a PR which is unusual from everyone else and that he seemed unwilling to help prove his towniness.

Taking a close look at the latest happenings in regards to the T3S wagon...

1.) I'm surprised that nobody was waiting for other people's opinions before you started to do the "put him at L-1, then claim"-plan. Since when does J have the last saying on this? Why are people sheeping here?

2.) UTD you might want to explain for what reason you voted T3S IN YOUR OWN WORDS. Unless you can show me that you had a good GENUINE reason to vote him I'm going to hold against you that you put T3S at L-1 prematurely.

3.) I find it very troublesome that you allow a major suspect such as Gordo into a position, from where he can freely pressure the **** out of T3S. The claim was not needed yet and Gordo should've gotten more votes before the claim either way. The way you handled the situation allowed Gordo to shift momentum away from him onto T3S and I do not approve of that.

Unvote Vote Gordo

Good post.

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I don't think of it as detrimental [at the moment] but I don't quite see the benefit of it either. At least not now. Maybe if we have flips we can deduce something off it but at the moment we have too little information on this subject.

And I understood very little of the first paragraph. What do you mean by "3/8 are town" and that the "8 characters" led you to believe "this could be a list of town characters". I can't put that into context..

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Kat, I don't think that these are all the townies in the game then. If there were 4 scumbags and 8 townies we'd lose the game with like 2 mislynches. With that in mind my guess would be that the list has no implications on alignment. Even the confirmation of 8 townies could be game breaking.

I'm skeptic but also curious. Wouldn't it be a better idea to wait with the claims once we have some flips? The list alone doesn't seem to help us a lot right now if we have no concrete things to contextualize it with.

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J, I think that Gordo should be pressured more at the very least. I have yet to see a good response to my point, that Gordo pressuring T3S was extremely opportunistic. As soon as you slightly let him off the hook, he would go after the easiest taret [from scum point of view]. Not only does that show poor judgment but it can also be interpreted as an attempt to shift momentum. I can't see any pro-town implication of his actions and unless somebody can show me wrong my vote stays.

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Has Seph been prodded already?

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There was no pressure on you indeed. Which is what bothers me so much to begin with. And how was Kat's reasoning dumb? I think it's pretty legit and lines up with my points on Swiss. You better answer stuff than to just pretend it's not worth it.

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Perhaps a new player can add some fresh perspectives. I'm curious to hear Delvro's thoughts.

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I don't even know what to say about the last page ... oh snap!

Delvro, I don't know how serious I can take you. Post more -.-

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Nothing. Literally.

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Wait, since when is a problem when people try to prove that they are busy? I mean it's not like I think "hey he has proof - he must be town" but turning it against him is lame. You're nitpicking and again you go after a popular/easy target. Can't trust that guy...

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I'm a little confused as to why people are starting to vote Swiss now. Like, wasn't my reasoning from earlier toDay good enough to warrant a wagon? What new information has been made available that a Swiss wagon looks more appealing now? This gives me the feeling that somebody has been trying to distract us or made us focus on the wrong thing.

Unvote

Thinking about doing a reread to see how I feel about Swiss now or whether he deserves a wagon more than Gordo. Also very uncomfortable with UTD - can't say if his smash vote is distracting or legit.

Do people agree with UTD here? Like, if smash just dodges prods all day that lynching him takes top priority and a vig takes care of our Gordo/Swiss/UTD-issues?

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It's tradition

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Vote Swiss

for a better future!

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Couldn't agree more. Posts like that make me want to go back on the Gordo wagon.

And Gordo, I asked a question (whether ppl agree with UTD's plan). I'm not suggesting the plan, just wanted to know people's reactions because the whole thing with smash is getting a bit troublesome.

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J, are you saying that t3s is the only one you actually believe to be scum? With Gordo and Swiss only as "meh"? Curious as to why you're so sure UTD's town too. Detailed thoughts on him and smashmashine would be nice. Not requesting a replacement for you as long as you can answer stuff, hope you understand that.

Smash, what are you doing? You post no content - are you even trying? If you can't play for whatever reason you should strongly consider requesting replacement. You're only hurting the town's progress at the moment [and yes, I do believe you're town still].

T3S, are you serious? You think it's "too late" to request a replacement even though it's still only day 1? Like, I can see a new player misunderstanding stuff he hasn't encountered yet but some things are just so ... easy to see with mere common sense that I find it hard to believe that you actually went on the forefront to get somebody modkilled. Especially since said player seems to be generally considered town so far.

Still would love to hear answers from people regarding my questions on UTD's plan. Only "answer" I got was a counter question from Gordo and I think answers to this questions will give us some pretty good leads toMorrow once we get flips from players in question. Plenty of suspects in my book and plenty of info we can gain if people are willing to work together here.

Bah, I got bored of reading his posts because generally I think he's town. I left the rest of his posts in there in case someone else wanted to read them. In fact, I'm getting pretty bored doing this reread. I'm going to try to read UTD, Swiss, Th3smarg, and Gordo, because those seem to be the most controversial.

Mister Gheb

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Omg you stole the death stare! Despite this theft that I will sue you for at a later date I thought your push on a newbie was more from a coaching perspective and seemed off whereas I thought Swiss and even T3S looked with intent to question him more because presumably they knew nothing about him. I'm talking strictly about Smash that is btw. J did this too but then went into super-tunnel mode. Regarding your push on T3S... I thought it came across opportunistic because of how convenient you suddenly agreed with J's reasoning as if to encourage him in his somewhat tunnelled pursuit (because this was the point in which it started to snowball) and also because it didn't look like you were going with your own reads and using someone else's despite claiming earlier you could read smar well. It was until later you made it more clear you're pushing the T3S side rather than the Smar side... and then ur recent posts had me reviewing over a few things. I hope this answers your question.

If I was looking to coach my scum partner (I think you're assuming my "coaching" on smash was SvS amirite (the pressure vs me wouldn't make any sense to me if it were any other way)), why would I do it out in the open? Disregard the WIFOM and whatnot, but typically, the coaching of noobscum would probz be done in private, no?

And in all honesty, it WAS J's case on th3 that made me shift my attention. It was good shiz. So I pressured accordingly. Smargz is making me feel better about the T3S hydra, but I still gotta keep the suspicions, na mean? Just because one person plays townie after another plays scummy doesn't mean they're a plain town read now .

 

[Delvro]

Absolutely thorough post, Maymay. This is a lot of information for everyone, and there are a lot of questions in there. Since Mayling's reads on these people are already out in the open, I think that most of these questions should be answered or at least addressed. I'll start.

So for one, I don't mean to command you around too much. However, when I want information, I know that if I say "hey can someone tell me more about T3S", then nobody will bother to do it. So I asked you, because I thought you would give a good recap (and also Swiss for various reasons).

As for my "purposefully scummy" posts, well obviously I have a posting restriction! Yeah that's it. No sane person would purposefully be scummy unless they had to. Or would they?

Remember, it's been a long time since I've played mafia. I've had a long time to think about how I want to approach my games.