Diddy Kong Racing Mafia! [Finished! Town Wins!]

[th3kuzinator]

Sorry I've been so quiet, im currently doing a full re-read.

Only on like page 10 <_<

 

[th3kuzinator]

Oh and @UTD: One more scum. Almost positive its some type of indy, not mafia.

 

[UTDZac]

@Kuz, if you had to guess, what are the two most likely indie roles the remaining scum could be?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Could you reread the Day please? I have answered all these questions already.

Either something analogous to a piper/warlock or a traitor. I doubt JoaT simply because there has only been one kill per Night thus far, and the doctor protected the same player all three Nights. There being a JoaT with no kill is implausible.

 

[Purple]

I don't do re-reads.

UTD's gunna be the sidekick, glyph's the hero.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

This also sits very badly with me, he later defends it saying that Glyph was clear AND the flavour worked out for him to be not indy, but that's really not the impression he'd giving. Its just an unsubstantiated stance again, this time backed up with flavour. As far as I know I've not seen Nabe anywhere post saying why glyph is town, yet he is acting like Glyph being a stupid lynch is obvious for all to see

When I've posted every reason why he's a stupid lynch, it is obvious for all to see.

He's not indy scum; if he were he would be trying harder to win. The only people trying hard to win right now are you, Kuz and I.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

'kay, so I'm reading your wall, and I'm not seeing a whole lot of reasons why I'm scum.

Any time I said Seph was scum was me saying you were scum.
Pipsy the warlock is lulzy. Don't you think I'd have won by now?
All your other points fall under normal things I do in every game.

Assume I flip town. Who's the next lynch? Why?

 

[UTDZac]

Can we afford 1 No Lynch? If so, could we use it toDay to allow July to test sanity. If he's sane then we can just lynch Kuz.

 

[Asdioh]

Zac, I'm pretty sure an actual lynch is infinitely better.

I can't really fathom why scumNabe would try defending Glyph. The only reasons I can think of are 1. he's not scum and legitimately thinks Glyph is also not scum or 2. he's scum and Glyph surviving is necessary for whatever obscure role he has, and 1 seems more likely to me.

I don't really see Kuz as scum, despite (or perhaps because of?) his unusual claim and the weird nature of what night actions have done throughout this game.

As much as I hate to flavor hunt, or go against the most pro-town player of the game, I think X1 is the most likely scum.

I thought a SK that's been refusing to NK was plausible, but thinking about it more, there are too many 99% confirmed towns for him to be safe not NKing.

There could be an arsonist, without firefighters

 

[Purple]

Wtf no why, That's so dumb.

-___-. We can risk like, four no lynches lol.

 

[X1-12]

asdioh, you do know that scum can like do stuff just to look town right?

 

[X1-12]

'kay, so I'm reading your wall, and I'm not seeing a whole lot of reasons why I'm scum.

1.) You're not contributing. You have been fake contributing
2.) You haven't been substantiating your few stances
3.) You've done very little all game
4.) You're trying to defend yourself saying you always don't contribute, yet in games where you're town you do present cases, give reasoning etc.
5.) You just defended yourself with flavour (see below)

Any time I said Seph was scum was me saying you were scum.
Pipsy the warlock is lulzy. Don't you think I'd have won by now?

Assume I flip town. Who's the next lynch? Why?

Explain how Seph being scum = me being scum?
Stop flavour defending yourself. And no, your N0 prediction was done by Ran so we can assume you didn't get that (was probably Seph). N1 was looking like Joey and that's who you were pushing on a J scum flip but ended up to be Tery. N2 you probably got it right with Joey but thats 1, and warlocks normally need two guesses correct.

If its not you then between kuz/Glyph I guess, I haven't particularly thought about it because you're the scummiest so far so toDay I'm focusing on getting you lynched. Its them because I think everyone else is town pretty much. I'd be leaning Glyph because I do largely agree with your reasoning based on kuz's role, but as I've stated I'd re-read Glyph first.

@Nabe: Why did you ask who I'd be pursuing after your hypothetical town flip? If you think I'm the most likely indy, why does it matter who else I'd be pushing?

You and Kuz are scummy and have flavour backing your lynches.

Can you actually substantiate this? You explicitly state that I'm scummy, but I've only seen you state that I'm scum because of set-up or flavour reasons.

When I've posted every reason why he's a stupid lynch, it is obvious for all to see.

Please link where you've done this. I've read all your posts back to #1000 and you don't give an alignment read on Glyph at all, nor explain why he's a stupid lynch. Glyph did replace Seph but seemingly your completely unsubstantiated stance from D1 on him and 180'd with still no substantiation, despite the fact you claim to have posted reasons.

 

[Asdioh]

I haven't heard of a warlock until now but it's kind of an annoying role to think about.

X1, your reasoning for you not being the warlock is that you would have gotten at least 2 lynches in a row correct by now, right?

Still, that doesn't mean that the last indy is a warlock

 

[X1-12]

yes but theres also no case on me or reasoning for me being an indy of any kind

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Questions blargh. This post was largely you rewriting what I've said to look scummy. That's cool, because lol, I'll just answer the questions as I think they should have been asked.

1.) You're not contributing. You have been fake contributing
2.) You haven't been substantiating your few stances
3.) You've done very little all game
4.) You're trying to defend yourself saying you always don't contribute, yet in games where you're town you do present cases, give reasoning etc.

I don't think I've been "fake contributing". I don't think my stances are unsubstantiated. I don't think I've done very little. Point 4 is just not valid; I'd have dice if that were the case! :O

Explain how Seph being scum = me being scum?

The connection between Seph and you was started in my head by a couple posts he made in pre-game that I thought were odd interactions with you. After that, he didn't post and ultimately replaced out. Glyph didn't post anything suspicious re: you, so I dropped it.

Stop flavour defending yourself.

Me saying that I'd have won already as a warlock was me making fun of you for saying that you'd have won already as a warlock. Hence the awesome face.

And no, your N0 prediction was done by Ran so we can assume you didn't get that (was probably Seph). N1 was looking like Joey and that's who you were pushing on a J scum flip but ended up to be Tery. N2 you probably got it right with Joey but thats 1, and warlocks normally need two guesses correct.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that I would support a Joey lynch after the events of D1. On the contrary, Joey and J being at odds pre-game made this look like an impossible option, not a probable one. The lynch was quite obviously focused on Tery after J's lynch, not Joey.

Why did you ask who I'd be pursuing after your hypothetical town flip? If you think I'm the most likely indy, why does it matter who else I'd be pushing?

I asked you who would be the next lynch after me because I wanted to see if you had actual forethought and reasoning and that you weren't just talking out your ***. You could be town; the phrase "the most likely indy" doesn't mean "indy without a doubt".

Your answer is that you guessed it would be between Kuz and Glyph and that you haven't particularly thought about it. Which, coincidentally, is a wickedly scummy response. Imagine that.

Can you actually substantiate this? You explicitly state that I'm scummy, but I've only seen you state that I'm scum because of set-up or flavour reasons.

I say that you're scummy because of little niggles here and there throughout the game. ToDay particularly, you've had a very pointed and focused attitude on the Day, going so far as to vote for me and to not even consider Kuz, whose lynch you've now retroactively justified not liking based on, lol, my reasoning about set-up and flavour.

I find it curious that you don't ask me why Kuz is scummy aside from set-up and flavour, and only about yourself; it's as if you were solely defending yourself, and focused on me to the point of excluding any other option.


If you're town, you should probably reread me and see that these opinions of yours aren't really validated by my posts.

If you're scum, it's good to see you trying.


Kuz, I'll remind you whenever you get back in here that I'm waiting on your cases re: the three VTs that aren't Asdioh.

 

[X1-12]

I don't think I've been "fake contributing". I don't think my stances are unsubstantiated. I don't think I've done very little. Point 4 is just not valid; I'd have dice if that were the case! :O

I've shown in post #1715 several instances of you with unsubstantiated stances. Recently you've called me scummy for no backing, and upon questioning mentioning merely 'niggles'. These are unsubstantiated (or in the last case, weakly substantiated) stances. I've shown several examples of you not doing anything or providing faux-content. You have done nothing to disprove this

The connection between Seph and you was started in my head by a couple posts he made in pre-game that I thought were odd interactions with you. After that, he didn't post and ultimately replaced out. Glyph didn't post anything suspicious re: you, so I dropped it.

You didn't explain this then, you don't explain it now. What weird interactions where there? If you were pushing Seph so hard why not even mention me? You say I would be his scumbuddy but also then say you think I'm town. Once again directly contrary to the opinion which you claim to have held all game.

Me saying that I'd have won already as a warlock was me making fun of you for saying that you'd have won already as a warlock. Hence the awesome face.

I was asking why you tried to flavour defend yourself based on this: "Pipsy the warlock is lulzy."

I asked you who would be the next lynch after me because I wanted to see if you had actual forethought and reasoning and that you weren't just talking out your ***. You could be town; the phrase "the most likely indy" doesn't mean "indy without a doubt".

Please explain how you came to the conclusion I was talking about my ***? I play the Day phase as it comes. On D1 I was getting scum lynched, not thinking about who I'd get lynched toMorrow. I have had forethough and I had re-read some of the thread overNight coming to the conclusion that you were the scum

Your answer is that you guessed it would be between Kuz and Glyph and that you haven't particularly thought about it. Which, coincidentally, is a wickedly scummy response. Imagine that.

Please explain how this is scummy, I haven't particularly thought about it because coming into this Day it could only really be you kuz glyph and upon reading you stick out as noticably scummier than the rest, why should I bother deciding who is the second scummiest? We only lynch one person per Day.

I say that you're scummy because of little niggles here and there throughout the game. ToDay particularly, you've had a very pointed and focused attitude on the Day, going so far as to vote for me and to not even consider Kuz, whose lynch you've now retroactively justified not liking based on, lol, my reasoning about set-up and flavour.

Explain how any of this is scummy because its not. I'm going to ignore unexplained niggles, and yes I've been focused, how is that scummy? I want to win. I have considered kuz. I stated at the start of the Day that you were scummier by far but kuz had a guilty on (here, here and here)

I find it curious that you don't ask me why Kuz is scummy aside from set-up and flavour, and only about yourself; it's as if you were solely defending yourself, and focused on me to the point of excluding any other option.

I frankly don't care why you think kuz is scummy, If I prove you to be lying or bull****ting on one count then thats enough. I am also focusing on you, that's because you're my biggest scumread

If you're town, you should probably reread me and see that these opinions of yours aren't really validated by my posts.

Saying something with a confident tone doesn't make it true. Several times I've shown you not contributing, posting unsubstantiated stances and you've done nothing but disagree, with no backing.


kuz how's the re-read going

 

[th3kuzinator]

Got sidetracked with essays last night. At page 25.

Will continue after tennis practice today. We got time.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Am I indy, or mafia?
Presumably if I'm scum, I changed Kuz's alignment to an investigation. How do you think I managed that?

 

[UTDZac]

Do we know if Kuz was targeted by the roleblocker/alignment-switcher? If it's guaranteed no, then either Kuz or July must be scum.

Or am I missing something?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Kuz got a result last Night. Even if someone has the ability to use a dead player's ability somehow, townKuz would have been roleblocked, wouldn't have gotten his result and would know something was up.

 

[X1-12]

I'm sure before Millers existed everyone thought cop results could always be trusted.

You could be a tailor/framer or July could be an insane cop or kuz could be a miller, there are several possibilities, each one is unlikely but set-up meta can't always be trusted. Look at all-stars. The Night Action Plan assumed there couldn't be 6 scum in that game but there was and it meant loss as it made the mason die misrecruiting me ftl. In YTMemes town speculated that there couldn't be a vig, mafia AND an SK but there was. In SC no-one would expect the two masons to be in the game and merely counteracted by 1 godfather. Set-up meta can't be trusted.

Respond to my case please

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I'm halfway through making a case against you, but then I got to this post which pretty much goes against everything I think about you.

Despite my reads, Night actions are leaning heavily towards kuz being scum. Insane cop AND cheerleader AND godfather is unlikely imo, So is any cop AND godfather AND cheerleader AND cop-manipulating indy.

I'ma re-read Glyph atm. If I think he's town and once Nabe answers my question I have pretty good reasoning to say we should lynch kuz toDay.

Urgh I just don't care anymore. Case against you is a reaching one and Kuz is probably scum, and tbqh I can't be ***** to respond to your long posts which are just BS. You are probably just town who happens to be wrong, rather than being a super-framer-warlock in a game with two alignment-based roles which is what it would have to take for Kuz to not be scum. **** it.

Vote: Kuz

 

[X1-12]

@Mod: Votecount please

 

[th3kuzinator]

Vote: Nabe

OMGUS and all that.

But really, I just finished my re-read and I can't see why this is even being considered. Besides expecting July to receive a guilty on him D2, X1 has been playing townie as **** the entire game and the only reason people are considering him at this point are due to flavor. We need to lynch inbetween myself and Nabe toDay, no question. We have the cop with differing results on us and a Nabe lynch would probably win the game toDay for town. I am confident Nabe is scum at this point.

I also have one shot left in my PR and the information gained from this could help us greatly toMorrow.

I have my suspicions on Glyph, as I feel he has successfully coasted his way through this game and I don't buy Nabe's clear on him for a second. However, not lynching inbetween Nabe and myself toDay would just bring up more sanity WIFOM toMorrow, which should be taken care of ASAP. Many of you are saying Nabe is town simply because he defended Glyph from being an easy lynch, but look at what he is currently doing. Instead of putting the effort into finding scum he simply has given up and has voted the popular lynch target with

@Nabe, remind me why you have only placed one vote this entire game, that being the RVS seph one.

Showing he literally made no attempt to hunt for scum and get his hands dirty. He simply agreed with and verbally backed the obvscum wagons.

Now, when faced with defending himself from X1's attacks based on a supposed Miller, Nabe's defense was again, flavor.

Very unlikely to be a miller.




Look at this cute little thing.

I could go on but the case would just become too much of a reach fest. Fact of the matter is, I know I'm town and its almost guaranteed scum is between us. Lynching Nabe first will give up tons more information to work with toMorrow and it will solve the cop sanity WIFOM.

We should lynch Nabe toDay and, if that does not end the game, go from the extra information we will have toMorrow.

I am currently at L-1 I believe. The lynch is between Nabe and myself, don't differ from this. I implore you to listen to reason and lynch the scummier of the two.

If you do choose me, please lynch Nabe toMorrow after my town flip. I have faith in town pulling it out anyway, but a Nabe lynch would be optimal.

 

[Asdioh]

Imagine if Glyph was the indy all along.

Don't you think he would love what's been going on between you three?
The rest of town is just kind of sitting back, lol.

 

[th3kuzinator]

That would be infuriating.

We still need to lynch between Nabe and myself toDay to clear up cop WIFOM. If for some unthinkable reason me and Nabe both pop town I would go Glyph>X1.

Nabe won't pop town, though. We should lynch him and use my result toNight.

 

[Asdioh]

k just fully read the stuff that happened since I went to work.

I already said I don't want to lynch kuz, at least not today. His claimed role has another shot and could be useful, plus I just think he's town. Maybe. (still think townkuz would have tunneled J harder but whatev)

I was thinking it could be X1, but upon further thought, if X1 was the indy, and not a serial killer, then why would he bother to confirm me as town, and leave me alive all this time? It's just one less person to frame as scum. On top of that, he's been the towniest player throughout the game. It's not X1.

It's between Nabe and Glyph. Glyph replaced Seph, who was already really scummy apparently, and hasn't done a whole lot since joining besides tunnel me. He was the preferred lynch next to Tery, and possibly next to Joey had Joey not turned himself in. However, once D4 started, he somehow managed to slip out of peoples scumdar, so if he's the indy then congrats on getting by through your silence.

Then there's Nabe, who replaced Ran, who also was apparently scummy, and then blah blah other stuff can't really remember

However, I do trust Kuz and X1 so

unvote
Vote: Nabe

Nabe, if you get lynched and you're town, should we go after Glyph tomorrow?

 

[Asdioh]

Yes I'm being lazy. I would totes do a reread of certain stuff, but I've also been procrastinating on my reread in another game that is a bit more urgent than this one xD

/lazymode activate

 

[UTDZac]

I still don't understand. Why are we going for somebody the cop told us was Town?

I guess I'm just really lost. I know there's always a possibility of dumb stuff happening, but the odds seem better if we just go with it.

 

[Asdioh]

I still don't understand. Why are we going for somebody the cop told us was Town?

I guess I'm just really lost. I know there's always a possibility of dumb stuff happening, but the odds seem better if we just go with it.

\(o_o) /


we could go after glyph instead?

basically i'm not comfortable with X1 or Kuz being lynched, but they seem to think it's Nabe, while Nabe, Kuz, and X1 all seem to be ignoring the possibility of it being Glyph. lol.

 

[July]

I'm sticking with what I said earlier, I'm keeping my vote on Kuz right now because I think I'm sane. Kuz, you make a convincing case against Nabe, but I'm going with my guilty, I know you are convincing as scum as well as town and you can make up roles that seem legit *insert angst over Celeb mafia here* and if I'm right in Inception Mafia indy had watcher or tracker ability (can't remember which) and since you always got tracker you could very well be indy with tracker abilities and the three shot explanation an excuse for us to keep you around one more Day.

@X1: You said that I was sane in your 1477, can you explain why? I don't think you ever said.

I do feel like having cheerleader who could switch results and insane cop as a strange mix. Add some kind of anti-town faction that can switch results and that's too much for me to believe is true. I feel I got a guilty on Kuz for a legitimate reason, aka he's scum or miller or something along those lines.

 

[July]

@Asdioh: Glyph seemed fine with being lynched yesterDay in his 1492 because he just wanted to win for once, and he seemed pretty excited after the last mafia lynch. I don't think he's out for self-preservation, I think he legit wants town to win.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@UTD: July could be insane or there could be a framer or Nabe could be a traitor or I could be a miller etc. All of these things would mess with the cop result. The lynch being inbetween me and Nabe will give us information accounting for many of these variables

Nabe has been scummier this entire game and I have one more night of PR usage. He should go toDay.

Did no one find it strange that Nabe immediately assumed I was scum when we thought there were two cops? What type of townie trying to find scum jumps the gun like that? He based my scum read simply off of role speculation. Right now, he is doing the same thing with me and X1. His candidates were us two because

You and Kuz are scummy and have flavour backing your lynches

All of his content is either revolving around flavor or setup speculation while he has done little to none actual play analysis.

@Asdioh:

I have my suspicions on Glyph, as I feel he has successfully coasted his way through this game and I don't buy Nabe's clear on him for a second. However, not lynching inbetween Nabe and myself toDay would just bring up more sanity WIFOM toMorrow, which should be taken care of ASAP.

@July: You give me too much credit. I am basing my case on pure scummy play but if you wanna trade role speculation blows then I will be happy it with you. You think I could be an indy tracker yes? Firstly, why would I show up guilty to cop investigations? Second, if you suspect such an indy then what is his wincon? If he is a last man standing w/ no kill then he is WAY underpowered. In inception, if you recall, the indy was given bullet proof AND unlynchable status until a certain player was killed. Wincon similar to that of a Warlock or Piper? Neither of those roles would allow the player to use that power AND watch/track someone. It would be their sole weapon. Things simply don't make sense for me being indy.

 

[Asdioh]

Asdioh activates his previously unmentioned Multiple Lynch Ability! On one Day only, we are allowed to lynch up to four players at a time!



...


@July, I remember glyph saying "I don't care if you lynch me, I just want to win a game for once"
Sounds pretty towny, but considering he had no pressure before or after that point, it's a pretty easy thing to say >_<

How about this: we lynch Nabe, if he's town, we most likely don't lose. During the night, you investigate Glyph. Kuz (attempts) to track X1. If you get an Innocent on Glyph, we lynch Kuz. If you get a Guilty on Glyph, well, that would be very unlikely ._.
And Roxy protect July, obv

 

[th3kuzinator]

How about this: we lynch Nabe, if he's town, we most likely don't lose. During the night, you investigate Glyph. Kuz (attempts) to track X1. If you get an Innocent on Glyph, we lynch Kuz. If you get a Guilty on Glyph, well, that would be very unlikely ._.
And Roxy protect July, obv

Fine with this except would rather have July cop X1. No offense to glyph, but I would feel so much safer knowing X1 is town rather than Glyph. I would have no problem targeting glyph.

 

[Purple]

I protect all day erry day


Stay swaggin.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Roxy dat knight in shining armor.

 

[Asdioh]

Imagine mafia traitor + a godfather + an investigation-changing roleblocker

Fine with this except would rather have July cop X1. No offense to glyph, but I would feel so much safer knowing X1 is town rather than Glyph. I would have no problem targeting glyph.

ok.

Roxy: Protect July.
July: Investigate X1.
Kuz: Track Glyph I guess.
UTD: Mason mason mason mason
Asdioh: Never give up, trust your instincts!
X1: Don't secretly be scum.
Glyph: Don't secretly be scum.
Nabe: You'll be dead sorry.

I protect all day erry day


Stay swaggin.

Ok, hammer Nabe now.

/no idea what the votecount is

 

[Purple]

\(o_o)/

vote: nabe

 

[Asdioh]

\(o_o)/

vote: nabe

oops, I hope he didn't just lynch Nabe because I forgot to wait for Nabes thoughts on being lynched