Diddy Kong Racing Mafia! [Finished! Town Wins!]

[th3kuzinator]

Kuz: Are you comfortable with being lynched if X1 is lynched toMorrow assuming your town flip?

This is honestly ridiculous. Nope, because I am not convinced X1 is the last scum. I am down with my lynch though, because I think town has the resources to pull it out. As long as we make sure we know what we're doing toMorrow then I don't mind confirming July's sanity and whatnot.

As you said, I simply don't see how I can be the last indy. Would I be a piper that had both a tracker and a watcher ability? Doubtful. TT makes sense for a JoaT but, as you said, having a wincon of the last one standing and being guilty to cops is also BS. If the latter was the case, I think the player would be pretty much doomed anyway.

I do think one of our claimed VTs is the indy and his wincon is similar to that of a warlock or a piper and, knowing I am town, I would highly prefer going after one of them first since I still have one shot left in my PR and see where we go from there with the extra information.

 

[th3kuzinator]

if we're going to test sanity toss a coin between July/Zac imo.

Also Xiivi's recent fire emblem mafia could still have been lost for town even if they only lynched scum

Yeah, but that was due to insane cooperation from both Indies and avoiding BP roles.

 

[Asdioh]

1680 and 1681. Not feeling scumkuz, not feeling scumnabe because of the defense on glyph, who would be an easy lynch. I think X1 would be our best lynch for toDay.

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Make sense?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

So you think it's plausible for one of me/Asdioh/Glyph to be scum, Kuz? Who?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Glyph isn't an easy lynch, it's a stupid lynch. Only plausible indy reasoning for Glyph's character is that he's got an inferiority complex due to being the most useless, flat, unexplained, ignored one of the bunch.

 

[X1-12]

Nabe why are you now relying so much on flavour?

 

[X1-12]

kuz you believed Soup to be telling the truth, because you ALSO had a powerful PR? That doesn't make sense, surely the presence of 1 strong town power makes other strong powers unlikely?

kuz explain this.

 

[July]

If you want to test your sanity, why not investigate yourself?

UTD, our cop is confirmed partly due to no counterclaims, and partly because Kuz confirmed that she's been visiting people, right?

Also, how does this sound to everyone. We lynch between Nabe/Glyph/X1 today (leaning toward Glyph based on our past lynch plans) and see what Kuzs track/watch reveals, as well as what Julys investigation reveals. See, Kuz says he still has another use left, so we shouldn't waste it. And despite the guilty on him, he might be a miller, but more importantly, I really really really doubt that mislynching toDay will lose us the game, after we've had a 100% mafia lynchrate. That would just be.. bad.

Thing is, what if we have a serial killer that just hasn't killed yet, out of fear of getting caught? That doesn't explain the guilty on Kuz/innocent on Nabe... maybe their power (since indy SKs generally have a power for balance) is something similar to the cheerleader power, where he messes with cop investigations?

I can investigate instead, that's what I was planning to do anyways before UTD asked about me investigating him.

If we don't lynch Kuz I agree with Nabe that X1 is the next most likely to be anti-town/scum. When I entered the game I remember reading a lot into Glyph and Tery and Glyph seemed pretty town despite his connection to J. I don't see Nabe scum, especially after breaking down the game like that and coming to the conclusion of X1 over Kuz when he wouldn't have to as scum. Kuz's claim and X1's Day 3 concern about the guilty, despite his explanation which I'm not sold on, its between one of them.

Kuz or X1 toDay, going to reread a bit.

 

[July]

EBWOP: "investigate myself" in first line

 

[UTDZac]

@Kuz do you think there is one more scum left?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Nabe why are you now relying so much on flavour?

I wasn't relying on flavour before? Lol.

Regardless, dumb question. This is something I ramp up every endgame, which is nothing you haven't seen before.

I've also had a scumread on you and Kuz all game and am pretty happy to see it through.

 

[X1-12]

Glyph isn't an easy lynch, it's a stupid lynch. Only plausible indy reasoning for Glyph's character is that he's got an inferiority complex due to being the most useless, flat, unexplained, ignored one of the bunch.

this is the kind of dumb stuff I'm talking about when I say relying on flavour. Which flavour claims match role or even alignments? Does Drumstick? No that character actively goes against the idea that 'good guy 'in the flavour = town. I don't care if you do it every game, but basically clearing Glyph of it in this game is stupid as balls

 

[th3kuzinator]

@X1: When I go into a game with a powerful town PR I have expectations of there being other powerful PRs. Call it a foolish thought, but I always remind myself of my first mafia game, DnD, where every single town member had a powerful PR (except one miller).

@Nabe: Not asdioh. Any of the other three are possibilities in my book.

@UTD: Yes.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

this is the kind of dumb stuff I'm talking about when I say relying on flavour. Which flavour claims match role or even alignments? Does Drumstick? No that character actively goes against the idea that 'good guy 'in the flavour = town. I don't care if you do it every game, but basically clearing Glyph of it in this game is stupid as balls

Mm, you've misunderstood me. Glyph has been a poor player, it's true. You and Kuz are scummy and have flavour backing your lynches.

The mafia flavour made sense on its own. Start from mod's perspective, 13 drivers + Wizpig for 13 players total. Wizpig gets a safeclaim; who's left? Krunch is the first obvious one. Of the rest, they're more or less equal amounts of town. The player who sticks out though, and had the most interaction with Wizpig, was Drumstick, who got turned into a frog. Maybe he's brainwashed or something dumb. Stick a little role flavour in the PM and it works out fine.

The rest of the flavour checks out as well. Kong masons, Timber and Taj and TT as roles. Banjo had a series of games where he had a lot of tricks in his backpack. Conker is a good safeclaim; some games of his own, but at the same time not too notable.

There's no reason to doubt the flavour at this juncture. I'd support Glyph getting copped tonight though after your lynch.

@Nabe: Not asdioh. Any of the other three are possibilities in my book.

Okay. Tell me in detail about all three of those VTs. Find your lynch.

 

[X1-12]

I wasn't relying on flavour before? Lol.

Regardless, dumb question. This is something I ramp up every endgame, which is nothing you haven't seen before.

I've also had a scumread on you and Kuz all game and am pretty happy to see it through.

I just read all of your posts and this is the only one which gives an alignment read on me - If you genuinely had a scumread on me all game why did you never say it, vote for me or even imply it? The only scummy thing you attacked me for was targetting easy lynches which I find to be a null point at this stage in this game

I believe you could be scum. I don't think you're lazy; J hammered last Day and now you've claimed v/la. I'm seeing you have IMO poor/easy reads aside from J, which in my opinion is unlike you. You answering my question wouldn't give me any read, but would go a long way to helping me to feel comfortable pseudo-clearing you, which is toDay's aim. It's useful to assume you're town, but you're no more a clear than I am.

You should take a look at Inception Mafia to see what scum can do to other scum on D1.
X1 is very town indeed, but he's not a clear. Make a distinction between facts and assumptions, even if those assumptions are extremely useful and probably correct. Mafia as a game consistently defies expectation.

 

[UTDZac]

@Kuz, by scum I meant part of the mafia faction. Does your answer still hold?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Did I not make a post where I mentioned that I had gut on you and Kuz?

Regardless, it's not a good position to back two lynch choices who are nailing scum left and right. With no more active mafia and less players to deal with including some clears, I have a lot more room to breathe.

 

[July]

Can we not hammer yet? I wanna tell you who the 4th scum is (if there is one) and I die overNight

X1, did you ever answer this yesterDay about who you thought the 4th scum could be?

Also found these posts by Nabe, just to verify that Nabe is legit when he says he has suspected X1 since early on (so far all I've found is that I still don't believe Nabe scum is likely looking through his posts):

I believe you could be scum. I don't think you're lazy; J hammered last Day and now you've claimed v/la. I'm seeing you have IMO poor/easy reads aside from J, which in my opinion is unlike you. You answering my question wouldn't give me any read, but would go a long way to helping me to feel comfortable pseudo-clearing you, which is toDay's aim. It's useful to assume you're town, but you're no more a clear than I am.


You should take a look at Inception Mafia to see what scum can do to other scum on D1.
X1 is very town indeed, but he's not a clear. Make a distinction between facts and assumptions, even if those assumptions are extremely useful and probably correct. Mafia as a game consistently defies expectation.

Kuz, your answer when I asked you why you voted for Seph at the beginning of the game:


A few posts later, this post cropped up. Check out the bolded:

Are you scum? Seems like a relevant question right about now.

 

[X1-12]

July that post doesn't show Nabe thinking I'm scum. He says I could be scum, but look very town.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

You caught J scum when I thought he was a legit miller.
Again, not a position from which I can call you scum.

 

[X1-12]

Nabe you didn't even mention this read, at all. Not like once J flipped saying "I thought X1 was scum but seems less likely now" Nothing, yet you are now saying you've had a scum read on me all game DESPITE the fact the only post you've mentioned my alignment you've called me town?

 

[July]

Didn't notice that was the second part where you quoted it X1 because that was the same quote I had up in the thread that I'm rereading, but I do see your point.

@Kuz: Can you tell me what your N1 result was again?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

It is pro-town to catch scum on D1.
It is suspicious when that catch is absolutely amazing and more or less out of thin air.
At the time, it seemed very possible that you were scum bussing J, hence the reference to Inception.

That proved to be false. Before that, and since, I've had gut.
Gut is not a reason to out a scumread on someone who's turning out to be a scumhunting pimp.
Early-game mention of gut is generally a good way to get lynched, moreso if it's gut on scumhunting pimps.

 

[X1-12]

Do you think even mentioning a gut scum read would get you lynched.
Do you think you surviving is more important than town knowing your scumreads

 

[X1-12]

Who replaced Seph?

 

[Purple]

Just kill Nabe.

Guys are taking to long.

Assuming there's one scum/indy that can't kill don't we have like 4 mislynches or some ****?

 

[UTDZac]

I'm extremely confused as to why we are killing Nabe...

Didn't the "cop" inno Nabe?

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Kuz: Can you tell me what your N1 result was again?

This stuff can be figured out by looking back a few pages.

N1 I was roleblocked. I received back a message from the mod before the Night ended with a very ambiguous, your action was not successful, type message.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Do you think even mentioning a gut scum read would get you lynched.
Do you think you surviving is more important than town knowing your scumreads

Probably. I replaced into Ran's slot, a slot that I myself found scummy before joining. I didn't want to rock the boat, and you and Kuz were more or less leading town.

Of course not. But I commonly make people beat my scumreads out of me. I think it's very clear from the way I posted that I had my eye on you.

 

[Purple]

indies sometime come out as inno

 

[X1-12]

Eh? Had a scumread on all game has now become "pretty clear that I had my eye on you"

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Eh? Is that a response to what I said and not just an offhand comment to make people think I'm being inconsistent?

 

[July]

@Kuz: I know I was just looking for wording, not that's its too important but since you and Tery both targeted me N1 and I didn't get roleblocked and you got the exact roleblock message I got N2, I'm thinking the mod error was you got the roleblock by accident instead of me.

Kuz, if you are not scum then I sincerely think you should reconsider X1 not being scum. If it is not you and you are telling the truth, which your story is fitting together a little better for me, then I sincerely think it is X1 and not Glyph or Nabe.

 

[X1-12]

"Eh?" is an indicator of surprise. And you are being inconsistent. You've claimed to have a scumread on me the entire game yet the evidence has shown to be completely contrary to this.

 

[X1-12]

These are my main findings from the part-re-read I did, plus a few posts I pulled up now to better display my points

#87 Ranmaru (now Nabe) is comfortable "being with J" He's OK buddying. I'm not saying they're on a team because of it, but Ranmaru nearly always questions someone who buddies him. I'm pretty sure Ran even questions me in this game for trusting him to do a menial task. Later #394Is what made me think of Nabe Warlock, even if you don't take it as such its still scummy. Random pushes on Seph with no backing at all, also seen in #318, #331. As I say even if its not a warlock tell, its pretty scummy. #577 is talking about nameclaiming and pros and cons of, not real content. Several more of the same until #630 when Nabe goes back to calling Seph scum again. Still no reads or content. This continues to near the end of D1. Seriously low content from Nabe the whole way through the game pretty much, as we're about to see..

Nabe has a spree of 18billion consecutive posts all of which contain no real content, merely just set-up chat, or inactive hunting/asking for content #553, #560 and #576. #605 is a long one but also boils down to advice dogging and flavour talk. #610 theres a line of real content, 1 line which points out that Asdioh made a good point against Joey. I suggest you all go here: http://www.smashboards.com/search.php?searchid=4404142&pp=25&page=1 and flick through


#434 Is one of the main reasons I thought townkuz. He genuinely looks to be trying to figure out the two cop scenario, rather than taking the easy option of just lynching between them.


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[X1-12]

I still want to re-read Glyph specifically before the Day ends though

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

So long as X1 and Kuz die I really don't care if I die today.

 

[X1-12]

Glyph isn't an easy lynch, it's a stupid lynch. Only plausible indy reasoning for Glyph's character is that he's got an inferiority complex due to being the most useless, flat, unexplained, ignored one of the bunch.

This also sits very badly with me, he later defends it saying that Glyph was clear AND the flavour worked out for him to be not indy, but that's really not the impression he'd giving. Its just an unsubstantiated stance again, this time backed up with flavour. As far as I know I've not seen Nabe anywhere post saying why glyph is town, yet he is acting like Glyph being a stupid lynch is obvious for all to see

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I'll be back to deal with this later.

 

[UTDZac]

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