Diddy Kong Racing Mafia! [Finished! Town Wins!]

[Asdioh]

also if nabe claims warlock thatd make my day

what is that.

Pipsy, Town Racer.

Oh, that's right. Wait a minute...

also anyone who is pipsy is mafia.

was he right?!



Asdioh - Tiptup, VT
Roxy - Timber, Town Doctor
Glyph - Bumper, VT
UTDZac - Tiny Kong, Masoned with DH
July - Taj, Town Cop
Nabe - Pipsy, Town Racer
th3_kuzinator - TT, Town Watcher/Trackerthing
X1-12 - ???? "dixie kong"

J - Krunch, Mafia Goon
JTB - Banjo and Kazooie, Town Trap Setter
Terywj - Drumstick, Mafia Cheerleader
Dark Horse - Diddy Kong, Masoned with UTD
Joey - Wizpig, Mafia Godfather (Claimed Conker)


I keep forgetting that Tiny Kong is that girl one, I keep thinking of Baby Kong or something. In that case, it IS strange that X1 claimed Dixie, but UTD was masoned with DH, rather than X1 being masoned with DH.

I was totally confused for a second looking through the DS playable characters, there are only 12 but we have 13 players. Then I realized Conker isn't playable in the DS version. Should have noticed sooner... >_>!

Anyway, I don't see what X1 is going to claim besides Dixie Kong.

 

[Asdioh]

@Asdioh, what about Mad Scientist?

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Mad_Scientist

You mean for the antitown faction? I guess... it seems like people have always been able to vote though.

/lost

This is pretty weird, lol.

 

[X1-12]

likely that its a warlock or a piper i guess.

Im dixie kong, quadruple dayvig town racer

 

[July]

July, can you give us all of your cop results for each night in a single post?

Sure.

N1 I (well, Soup) investigated Nabe. When I investigated him I believed him to be innocent.

N2 I investigated Joey. The result was my action was not successful.

N3 I investigated Kuz. When I investigated him I believed him to be guilty.

Pipsy, Town Racer.


July, is this true? If so, have you outed this prior to now?

Please provide a full and clear list of your night targets, and clarify the following: how are your results worded? Do you get results of Innocent/Guilty, or Mafia/Not Mafia, or Town/Not Town?

Yes, I outed that information yesterDay, we had a brief discussion on how I could have been roleblocked when Tery, the mafia cheerleader aka roleblocker had just died, then Meta-Kirby posted this:

Please be advised that due to an unspecified mod error, the CHEERLEADER power could have been used on any night so far into the game but will not be in use from now on.

Joey got lynched, basically that was Day 3.

Kk I presented my night actions above. When I get my results, except for when I was roleblocked, I "believe" that the player I investigated is innocent/guilty.

Furthermore, since I was roleblocked N2, is it feasible to believe that Kuz saw me visit Joey when my action was not successful?

badum dum.

How does this sound:

Nabe mafia traitor, July insane cop?

also I reread some, and I think its more likely nabe than kuz. Still possibly glyph I guess

unvote
vote: Nabe

X1, why are you so sure its not Kuz if you say later on that indies don't always turn up inno? Also, I was rereading Day 3 and I saw this:

Cheerleader targets player A. Player A is now roleblocked. If player A is town, they will appear guilty to cops that Night, and vice versa.

Remember that anyone who was on J's scumteam in this game would likely have heard about J self-vote in nearLYLO in inception. lol


Nabe could have been flipped investigation wise, but unlikely imo

Investigated N1,

The mafia goon has just died, a cop is claimed. The cop was not directed at one specific player, why would the mafia try to chance flipping their mafia-mates cop result? Bear in mind because of the goon flip, its likely the other scum has a PR which means they'd have to give up that, its much more likely they would try to use the cheerleader to try to RB.

FYI July if you have a guilty on me, its cause I was targetted by the cheerleader last Night

X1 why were you so concerned that I would have investigated you N2 and gotten a guilty? I had no reason to investigate you over Joey and we didn't even know at that point the cheerleader power could have been used every night, so why try to cover a hypothetical guilty on you using the cheerleader before I even gave my results?

 

[Purple]

Dude.

Can we just like...

Go down the line killing people?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Hey X1, remember this quote?

Unless another VT counterclaims saying that their PM does not say "Town Racer" in it then Asdioh should be considered confirmed town.

Why would you say this, alluding that you don't know what the VT role is, and then subsequently claim VT? I would have expected you to claim a PR which warranted you not knowing the VT role. You needed clarification from other VTs before you claimed it yourself. Why is this? The only other reason for you not knowing it when Asdioh claimed it would being the indy.

Expecting you'd receive a guilty from July's report on N2 also does not sit well with me.

I keep forgetting that Tiny Kong is that girl one, I keep thinking of Baby Kong or something. In that case, it IS strange that X1 claimed Dixie, but UTD was masoned with DH, rather than X1 being masoned with DH.

Why is this strange? Does is have to do with Donkey Kong flavor?

@Roxy, Agreed. If you decide you are stuck on me, I understand. Having a guilty is pretty incriminating despite the fact there is some obvious manipulation going on here. Upon my town flip, who're going to go after and why?

 

[th3kuzinator]

You needed clarification from other VTs before you claimed it yourself.

Is this also the reason you wanted to claim last...?

 

[Asdioh]

Why would you say this, alluding that you don't know what the VT role is, and then subsequently claim VT? I would have expected you to claim a PR which warranted you not knowing the VT role. You needed clarification from other VTs before you claimed it yourself.

I don't find this suspicious really, if he's really a VT, then he knew I was telling the truth, but hoped to find someone else dumb enough to claim otherwise, revealing themselves as scum.

Expecting you'd receive a guilty from July's report on N2 also does not sit well with me.

This I find suspicious.

Why is this strange? Does is have to do with Donkey Kong flavor?

Dixie is Diddy Kongs girlfriend, Tiny is Dixies younger sister.

Dixie Kong is the mafia traitor, being jealous and trying to get revenge?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Dixie is Diddy Kongs girlfriend, Tiny is Dixies younger sister.

Dixie Kong is the mafia traitor, being jealous and trying to get revenge?

Kind of wish you hadn't posted this, I can tell already this is going to taint my analysis. Lol.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

July, to answer you, I'd say it is plausible that a tracker saw you even though your action was roleblocked.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

UTD, please clarify exactly what your role title is.

Tiny Kong, Town ________?

Thanks.

 

[X1-12]

X1, why are you so sure its not Kuz if you say later on that indies don't always turn up inno? Also, I was rereading Day 3 and I saw this:

Because I re-read and I had a must stronger Nabescum read than kuzscum read

X1 why were you so concerned that I would have investigated you N2 and gotten a guilty? I had no reason to investigate you over Joey and we didn't even know at that point the cheerleader power could have been used every night, so why try to cover a hypothetical guilty on you using the cheerleader before I even gave my results?

I wasn't concerned, I was avoiding NKs - and yes NK manipulation is something I've been doing all game, notice how end of D1 I was 100% sure I'd lynch Soup D2 and then changed my mind when it came round? That's called protecting the cop from a NK. I also knew you wouldn't investigate me because I know you're not an idiot.

Hey X1, remember this quote?

Why would you say this, alluding that you don't know what the VT role is, and then subsequently claim VT? I would have expected you to claim a PR which warranted you not knowing the VT role. You needed clarification from other VTs before you claimed it yourself. Why is this? The only other reason for you not knowing it when Asdioh claimed it would being the indy.

Expecting you'd receive a guilty from July's report on N2 also does not sit well with me.

@Roxy, Agreed. If you decide you are stuck on me, I understand. Having a guilty is pretty incriminating despite the fact there is some obvious manipulation going on here. Upon my town flip, who're going to go after and why?

Derp, Why would I speak in a way that's ambiguous. Perhpaps its because I didn't want to reveal my role mid D2?

I really don't like the bolded. You are making it sound like its really obvious that stuff if being manipulated, when in fact to town its not the case

Is this also the reason you wanted to claim last...?

Derp.. again. There are 3 mafia dead. There 1 anti-town left. If Asdioh was lying he would have been CC'ed right then when I pointed it out. Not to mention that even in the scenario where no-one CCed, why would I need to check with others? If Asdioh lied then I followed him, that would mean I'm scum, but also have to mean Asdioh was scum lying about his role too (or somehow town lying about their role when they're at nearly L-1 with a claimed guilty on them. Are there 2 more scum this game? Stop being such an idiot



@Nabe: Are you definitely a VT, nothing else?


@July, or anyone who remembers: when you claimed RBed on D2, did you claim that you targeted Joey or not?

 

[UTDZac]

@Nabe, sorry I was lazy. Here ya go:

Tiny Kong, the Town Pit Crew Chief

 

[X1-12]

@Mod: When asked about the Racing Star role, you said this:

Racing Star: Masoned Townie.

Can you confirm that the Racing Star was a Mason (i.e confirmed town to their partner and vice versa) and not merely a neighbour

 

[th3kuzinator]

Agreed I should have thought the VT thing through better, just voicing all the possibilities that run through my head.

I really don't like the bolded. You are making it sound like its really obvious that stuff if being manipulated, when in fact to town its not the case

It may not be obvious to the rest of town but I will call things as I see it. Whether its a sanity issue or some other type of result manipulation, she should not have gotten a guilty.

@July, or anyone who remembers: when you claimed RBed on D2, did you claim that you targeted Joey or not?

She did.

@July: Trackers see who the person attempts to visit, regardless if they successful or not.

 

[X1-12]

Despite my reads, Night actions are leaning heavily towards kuz being scum. Insane cop AND cheerleader AND godfather is unlikely imo, So is any cop AND godfather AND cheerleader AND cop-manipulating indy.

I'ma re-read Glyph atm. If I think he's town and once Nabe answers my question I have pretty good reasoning to say we should lynch kuz toDay.

 

[X1-12]

Why does it not matter? Because you're not a cop or because you think you're doomed? Either route will lead to your lynch. Believe it or not, I know you quite well because I have been playing smash with you for some time, and I can read you. I want to believe you're telling the truth, because I actually believe you are. However, I am not god, and convincing other players of this will be tough considering how you've played thus far. I need you to WANT to survive toDay and need you to give it your all, got it? It does matter.

Though normally ****ed, I may have another setup reason why I think you may be telling the truth. I cannot reveal it at this time however. Trust me on that.

Kuz explain this please


@Nabe: Ignore my last question, just answer how likely it is you think you could be a miller (based on role PM, not on the set-up). Obviously if you're a miller then claim as such

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Claims and Known Facts

Spoiler

Asdioh - Tiptup, Town Racer
Roxy - Timber, Town Doctor
Glyph - Bumper, Town Racer
Dark Horse - Diddy Kong, Town Racing Star (Mason with Tiny)
UTDZac - Tiny Kong, Mason with Diddy
July - Taj, Town Cop
Nabe - Pipsy, Town Racer
th3_kuzinator - TT, Town Time Machine (Randomized Tracker/Watcher variant)
X1-12 - Dixie Kong, Town Racer
JTB - Banjo, Town Trap Setter
J - Krunch, Mafia Goon
Terywj - Drumstick, Mafia Cheerleader
Joey - Wizpig, Mafia Godfather (Claimed Conker)

Facts
All character claims are correct because no other characters exist in DKR that haven't been used.

July confirmed by Kuz to be a night-targeting role that targeted him during N3.
Kuz confirmed by July to be a tracker, since she confirmed that she targeted Kuz N3.

The two cannot both be scum. If Kuz is scum, July is town and thus isn't lying about her targets. If July is scum, Kuz is town and thus is not lying about seeing July target him.

UTD confirmed by DH's flip to be a mason.

Assuming no ******* modding, July is confirmed town, since she has claimed cop and a godfather exists in the game.

Next, we segue into setup analysis.

Spoiler

The setup as claimed.

VT
VT
VT
VT
Cop
Doc
Mason
Mason
Time Machine
Trap Setter
Mafia Goon
Mafia Cheerleader
Mafia Godfather

Let's start with the scum team, since we know their roles are correct. A Godfather gets copped as the opposite result. A Cheerleader roleblocks their target and also switches their investigation result, so this is equivalent to a compound RB/Framer. Goon is self-explanatory.

Roleblocker means town roles needed balancing, so we can expect extra town power. In particular, this counters the cop/doc combo as necessary; masons are unaffected. Framer flips their target to investigations, which tricks the cop.

This combination has a second implication. If the cheerleader targets a power role, that role will know they've been roleblocked because their action was unsuccessful. If an investigation is claimed to be guilty on them from the same Night, they'll know something fishy is going on.

This scum team is fairly weak to our claimed town. They can block the cop, or block and frame any other player. The framing ability relies on choosing the same target as the cop, and the block needs to be on a player who isn't the cop target. Using it on a player for both purposes is risky. Closed masons count as an investigative role. Scum also has to deal with two trackers; one of whom is the trap master, who dies if his target dies, and the other of which is claimed random tracker/watcher. Very scary for scum overall.

Traitor is very possible to counter a solid town PR structure. Traitor doesn't exist if Time Machine is scum, that's too much scum. If Time Machine is indyscum, he's a tracker with... something else. A piper-like? Dual-targeting, or does he share them like the cheerleader?

Time Machine claim could be a traitortracker in actuality, but then traitor loses some of its purpose in that there's only one tracker. Still possible but unlikely.

If there is a traitor, it's a framertraitor? That's also unlikely. Time Machine might also be a miller but that's just weird.

If Time Machine is indy, it needs the tracker ability to find scum and also find PRs, and get both lynched.

If there is no traitor and Time Machine is town, indy is... who knows. A lyncher or a piper-like, a warlock maybe since X1 keeps naming it.

A non-Time Machine indy explains the need for extra town power, but leaves the scumteam even weaker.

Flavour now.

Spoiler

Taj is likely sane.
Bumper, Tiptup, Pipsy all unlikely scum.

Dixie Kong a likely traitor given the Diddy/Tiny mason but for that reason only.
Dixie indy could be a lyncher on Tiny -- other indy options are unlikely.

TT could be indy or town, both are plausible. Town miller random tracker/watcher is unlikely. TT indy would likely be a piper-like. A "ghost-maker"? -- has to make time-trial ghosts of one player a Night.

I'd like a lynch of X1, followed by Kuz. Vice-versa is fine as a piper-like needs to be taken care of, but X1scum is more likely imo given the flavour and the possibility of a traitor.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Very unlikely to be a miller.

Look at this cute little thing.
Insane cop is also unlikely given a godfather and a framer. ******* modding.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Oh, question was regarding PM. I'll take a look in a bit but nothing caught my eye. I'm always on the lookout for hidden millers re: DnD.

 

[UTDZac]

Can we test July's sanity by having him scan me toNight? Or do you think this is unnecessary...

Also, you say "Kuz confirmed by July to be a tracker, since she confirmed that she targeted Kuz N3." but who said they targeted the other first?

 

[th3kuzinator]

@X1, Agreed it looks unbelievably implausible, but its has to be the case.

As for your quote, I based it on the fact that my PR was over powered and the possibility of there being other powerful town prs existed. This being that two cops existed.

 

[X1-12]

Nabe do you think I could be a warlock and STILL not have won yet? Also as warlock do you think I'd keep mentioning it? lol. I was hoping someone had got 1 and was allowed to self-target ftw

Indy Time Machine would work like an indy JoaT imo, last man standing wincon

Nabe you think Miller in this set-up is *******-modding? To you July must be sane. You think I should die before kuz. Explain please

 

[X1-12]

kuz knew July targetted him before July announced it. Technically kuz could have watched himself or something else dumb but basically kuz's tracking ability at least is confirmed

 

[X1-12]

kuz you believed Soup to be telling the truth, because you ALSO had a powerful PR? That doesn't make sense, surely the presence of 1 strong town power makes other strong powers unlikely?

 

[Asdioh]

I'm liking Nabes reasoning. I think it's likely that one of our claimed VTs, or Kuz is the indy. I kind of believe Kuzs claim, the only problem is the claimed guilty on him from our confirmed cop.

I would do a reread and see who I thought was scummiest (previously it was Glyph, remember?) but I don't really know what to look for in an indy.

 

[X1-12]

@Asdioh: Someone who's scummy, someone who's aiming for self-preservation rather than scumhunting (yes indies can scumhunt, but its not always to their wincon, leaving scum alive means they can kill off townies faster). Someone trying to distract town, someone who's happy to coast etc etc.

 

[Asdioh]

(yes indies can scumhunt, but its not always to their wincon, leaving scum alive means they can kill off townies faster)

Here is X1 wifom :x it's obvious that X1 scumhunted harder, faster, and stronger than the rest of us, but could that be self-clearing? dun dun dunnn

It would suck to kill off the best scumhunter right now though.

Two questions:
1. who did Glyph replace? I completely forgot.
2. if all the mafia is dead, and there is indeed a mafia traitor, does the game still continue despite him being unable to NK? Because then we could No Lynch indefinitely

 

[X1-12]

That's not really WIFOM, that's just me stating a fact. If you think the fact I scumhunted is WIFOM then well, technically so is every single tell in mafia. lol. Why don't you re-read and make your mind up?

If there's a Piper or similar then we can't NL forever, otherwise yeah we could.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Also, you say "Kuz confirmed by July to be a tracker, since she confirmed that she targeted Kuz N3." but who said they targeted the other first?

Kuz said he saw July targeting him, and July confirmed as much. That means they're both telling the truth, assuming one scum remaining which we are.

Nabe do you think I could be a warlock and STILL not have won yet? Also as warlock do you think I'd keep mentioning it? lol. I was hoping someone had got 1 and was allowed to self-target ftw

Indy Time Machine would work like an indy JoaT imo, last man standing wincon

Nabe you think Miller in this set-up is *******-modding? To you July must be sane. You think I should die before kuz. Explain please

Mhm, insane cop + godfather + framer + miller is ******* modding.

I don't think you're a warlock, the mention was just odd.

I didn't think of JoaT. I'd have thought of Drumstick as JoAT first. TT JoAT makes sense though and you might be on to something. And I don't like his claim at all, random actions are BS.


'kay, analysis.

Indy JoAT with last man standing is possible. However, an indy who investigates guilty to cops and has to get last man standing is hard. Assume one-time track, finds him some scum. Probably a kill as well, and one-time BP at least? If the cop gets him though, it's all over. Framer could catch the indy and think he's doing scumwork via blocking when in reality they're changing his alignment for the cop, but then the cop also has to be investigating TT on the same Night, impossible situation and not one that's factored into the balance.

So far it's a one-kill a Night game, and while I'm sure the mod didn't expect town to beast like they did, a JoAT who investigates as guilty could get destroyed in a flash, and sucks to your assmar.

If Kuz didn't have a guilty investigation on him, he would actually be more scummy. Cop investigating an indy as guilty is broken, but more so if they're an endgame indy. Swingy, luck factors into it. Eww. I'm up for a Kuz lynch overall but I still don't think it's our best option.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Kuz: Are you comfortable with being lynched if X1 is lynched toMorrow assuming your town flip?

 

[Asdioh]

Again, what the hell is a warlock?

And where is Glyph?

 

[UTDZac]

Warlock is like a piper X1 said.

And why is our cop a "confirmed" cop?

 

[July]

Because I re-read and I had a must stronger Nabescum read than kuzscum read

Alright. If we lynch Kuz and he is not scum, then I will investigate UTD toNight to make sure I get an innocent result. If I do, then someone messed with my results, and toMorrow it should be between Glyph and X1. If I get a guilty then Nabe is the lynch for the Day.

I wasn't concerned, I was avoiding NKs - and yes NK manipulation is something I've been doing all game, notice how end of D1 I was 100% sure I'd lynch Soup D2 and then changed my mind when it came round? That's called protecting the cop from a NK. I also knew you wouldn't investigate me because I know you're not an idiot.

I appreciate not being called an idiot ...but I'm still going to look into you if Kuz flips town. Not going to quote Nabe's post because it is long, but I did read it and I do like his analysis.

@July, or anyone who remembers: when you claimed RBed on D2, did you claim that you targeted Joey or not?

Yes, I did.

Can we test July's sanity by having him scan me toNight? Or do you think this is unnecessary...

Also, you say "Kuz confirmed by July to be a tracker, since she confirmed that she targeted Kuz N3." but who said they targeted the other first?

Yes, I can do that toNight if we don't catch scum toDay to check my sanity. Until then I will be working off the assumption I am sane.

 

[UTDZac]

What was the whole deal with the mod and the night action that got delayed or something... I can't remember exactly.

 

[July]

What was the whole deal with the mod and the night action that got delayed or something... I can't remember exactly.

I think this is what you are asking about...

Joey said that the mafia roleblock didn't go through N1 because of a mod error, Kuz said he was involved in the N1 night action mix up too because his action of trying to watch/track me failed.

 

[X1-12]

Warlock is not a piper. works like this basically

The Warlock chooses one player each night as a lynch prediction.
The lynch prediction only applies to the following day. A new lynch prediction must be made each night.
If the Warlock correctly predicts two lynches, he will win the game.

Sometimes the warlock can self-predict, sometimes they get a N0 predict and sometimes they can predict themselves



Tery's night action was like missed by the mod or forgotten about or something, but then the Mod let him use it on N2 even though he was dead basically

 

[Asdioh]

If you want to test your sanity, why not investigate yourself?

UTD, our cop is confirmed partly due to no counterclaims, and partly because Kuz confirmed that she's been visiting people, right?

Also, how does this sound to everyone. We lynch between Nabe/Glyph/X1 today (leaning toward Glyph based on our past lynch plans) and see what Kuzs track/watch reveals, as well as what Julys investigation reveals. See, Kuz says he still has another use left, so we shouldn't waste it. And despite the guilty on him, he might be a miller, but more importantly, I really really really doubt that mislynching toDay will lose us the game, after we've had a 100% mafia lynchrate. That would just be.. bad.

Thing is, what if we have a serial killer that just hasn't killed yet, out of fear of getting caught? That doesn't explain the guilty on Kuz/innocent on Nabe... maybe their power (since indy SKs generally have a power for balance) is something similar to the cheerleader power, where he messes with cop investigations?

 

[X1-12]

if we're going to test sanity toss a coin between July/Zac imo.

Also Xiivi's recent fire emblem mafia could still have been lost for town even if they only lynched scum

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

We're not lynching Glyph of all people toDay, he can be investigated if toDay's lynch doesn't pan out. There's zero plausibility there with regards to flavour, and as I've said, we're all who we claim to be because no one is left.

Lynch toDay is either Kuz or X1. Kuz has a guilty on him. X1 has the analysis reasoning. Glyph is a no.