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DGames Summer Mafia Bash - Day 2 Begins. Deadline Day 2 begins - Deadline 8:00 A.M. CST Monday 6/24
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#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
#HBC | Gorf That was only a paragraph with two posts linked, is that really that dramatic? I mean you have a whole case (which is now outdated) with posts and examples. What am I doing that you feel is wrong casing wise? At first I didn't think I needed to even explain it. It just seemed self-explanatory to me. I could, but I found his lack of desire to find scum suspicious and sitting on Rockin sketch. So I wanted to snap to Tom. Yet Rockin was content with staying silent. Thoughts on that?
yea this is pretty dramatic. you said hes not interested in finding scum and showed him not responding to something and not having been around in three days. thats, like, nothing. i still think my lore output holds weight (hes not off my radar, im just less willing to lynch him toDay), but im not saying you need a ****ing wall to case somebody by any means but your most meaningful point (that he doesnt care about catching scum) is built on the fact that hes lurking. i can say that i felt like his posts about his notes seemed straight to me and that lurking isnt a scumtell and the case falls on its face.ran said:
rockin staying silent honestly DOES read to me as scum lurking and hoping things kinda brush over without him being lynched. but that feeling is predicated on a scumread that ive previously understood. im just telling you how i read your take on the whole tom thing. honestly i wouldve probably ignored it if you didnt specifically ask. i dont care to lynch him toDay because hes a pretty hard null to me at this point, and absolutely nothing youve said has convinced me on it.
first off let me make it clear that im not townreading tom based on quality of output. its just acknowledging that hes got trails and has had places where he was being open about reads and scumhunting that we can reference.
i dont entirely disagree with your last sentence, especially since hes been gone as of recent. but compared to jtb, nabe, rockin and possibly ff, i think his output is the strongest. like, thinking about what the other four have done im surprised thats even something challengeable aside from ff.
you said you were a sucker for his posts with the notes right? i am too. and as far as having a robust output on the rest of the cast that we can follow, thats compared to ff. tom has full readslists that we can follow, and we can at least have those to compare to if he actively takes a dip in quality. ff's output yesterDay wasnt bad quality wise, but there wasnt that that much to follow.
really when it comes down to it there are just way better plays imo.
we know. we're working on it.Thirdkoopa I'm sure you already looked into
#HBC | ѕoup as a replacement but just double checking for the health of the game. Thanks for what you are doing!
I'm in literally every single role PM and I also offered to help after initial modding.
that said, only reason I don't mingle with the replacements directly is so I don't step on anyone's toes. (i.e. Ryu already asks soup to replace in as _, I ask soup to replace in as someone else, suddenly conflict)
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#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
ran let the record show that this is better as a wrap up for why lynching tom is a good idea. still dont really like it compared to nabe/rockin/ff/jtb but its clear, cites factual evidence, and has an interpretation that isnt far fetched leading to a conclusion that isnt convoluted (the fact that its very hard to pin him down).
This reeks.
I don't think not having voted is an indication that you'll take a NL when you've said you'll be around in the morning.
And now we have hammer. Pray to whatever god that we get another red flip.
Here's to dealing with the other five ****ing inactive slots.
Here's to dealing with the other five ****ing inactive slots.
Dude was literally saying that a NL wouldn't be all that bad, despite him saying that he will hammer.
Sure. That is a world different from saying "I'll take a NL over not lynching the guy I want," and it shouldn't be treated as equivalent.
Fair, it's different. But why defend a potential NL in the first place, especially if you say you intend to hammer later?
Why defend a NL as scum when it is PAINFULLY obvious that town does NOT like that idea?
Like, if he wasn't gonna hammer, he'd be dead and I'd agree. But he made it clear he would and he did, so, of all the things to yell about with the slot, this is weak.
To be fair, the pushing against the slot came way before the actual hammer.
Baffling behaviour is null. That's what I'm saying.
If you actually want to lynch someone you dont blatantly throw everything you can dredge up that might be scummy. You take the major and undefendable points and you ram those through the gut. Adding weaker things just make your case easy to dismiss with strawmen and make people think you're just obsessed or they lose interest because you go on and on.
Anyway. I've got my phone. I want to see a flip, but I might fall asleep at any moment.
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I'm not sure if I see it as a pure null read, but I'm also biased from my earlier read/case. I do see your point though.
Isn't that exactly what I did, though? I went through his post history, found things that really didn't add up, and saw enough of a consistent pattern to bring it up as a solid scum tell. At the same time I've been discussing, questioning, and talking with other slots about things; I'm not tunneling either.
He fails to give actual commitments to his reads until it's dragged out of him, he turns to character attacks as a first line of defence, and then he has this baffling behavior here. It's hard for me to read it null.
At the same time I do accept that you may be right, and the behavior may just be null. I'll sleep on it and rethink on it with fresh eyes.
It's truly ridiculous, and it's going to be why we lose.
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#HBC | Kary
Fiend of Fire
I like how Ryker ignores Lore all day and only after swerving the waggon on to someone else he starts to criticize his scumread.
Wait didn't Ryker pretty much repeatedly mention me as a scum read today, only pushing inactives for pretty agreed upon reasons? Or do you mean purely votes?
I criticized tacking on this stupid bit.
I've had issues with Lore from far earlier.
Yeah he's been exceedingly clear on this point.
I'm so glad that Kary cares enough to notice me. 
Yeah, it's time for Twitter and bed.
#HBC | Kary
Fiend of Fire
I also don't know how y'all made it this far wihout being able to read a deadline.
Yeah same =/
Hey ya'll. Apologies for the wait; I was gonna wait for Red Ryu but he seems to have fallen asleep at his computer, so to speed things along...
Tom(8): Nabe, Ryker, Ranmaru, Mac, Pythag, UtopianAlien, Lore, Spak
Tom, Vanilla Townie, has died Day 2
Quiet time in thread. Please send in your actions if you have a night action. there are now 13 of you alive. I'll let
#HBC | Red Ryu
set up deadline
Tom(8): Nabe, Ryker, Ranmaru, Mac, Pythag, UtopianAlien, Lore, Spak
Tom, Vanilla Townie, has died Day 2
Quiet time in thread. Please send in your actions if you have a night action. there are now 13 of you alive. I'll let
#HBC | Red Ryu
set up deadline
Hi everybody
There's some personal life stuff going on with the mod team right now. I'm being a bit vague because I don't know how much they else they want me to say. For now, deadline is indefinite until further notice. As soon as I do have a notice, I'll be giving everyone at least 24 hours. Hang tight while we figure out what to do with this game.
There's some personal life stuff going on with the mod team right now. I'm being a bit vague because I don't know how much they else they want me to say. For now, deadline is indefinite until further notice. As soon as I do have a notice, I'll be giving everyone at least 24 hours. Hang tight while we figure out what to do with this game.
HEY EVERYBODY
I'll be allowing discussion in the thread on the strict basis that there is no scumhunting - We're going to be discussing something else; that'll be the activity of the game
We're going to have a vote on whether to Nuke and Reset, or to keep the game running.
"Why?"
1. There's been a lot of replacements, as you all know. We certainly haven't ran dry of them, but more replacements can cause morale to run dry
2. Everyone's busier than before - Summer's aren't free for a lot of us anymore, and even for say, me, I still do graduate school
3. There's a lot of people in this game - Even with Tom dead, we're at 13. This game will still take a while.
4. Life stuff has happened to the mods - Even if we continue on, it's going to be a little bit different. Instead of me as the reserve mod, that duty will go to Red Ryu, and Giraffel/I will be modding. (if he doesn't want to, I'll take over this game fully to make sure it runs at it's finest)
"So, why not nuke the game then?"
I'm in all of the PM's and I see that this thread has invested a lot of time and energy into the game. It's unfair to nuke it even if we (the co-mods) are starting to think it should be.
"What do the two options contain?"
Keep the game running -
giraffelasergun
and I will take over more of the hosting duties. We'll give 48 hours for the night phase (at least) as soon as th is is chosen.
Nuke and Reset - I will nuke this game by posting up who everyone's roles are (or let everyone else talk it over if they prefer to reveal themselves); Giraffel and I will proceed to host a game with a smaller amount of players - 7, 11, or 13. It'll be in the same vein of this one so we won't do any ******* modding (Unless... you all prefer a B Mod game done by yours truly instead)
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Spak
#HBC | Gorf
#HBC | Nabe
#HBC | Kary
#HBC | Mac
#HBC | Ryker
Pythag
UtopianPoyzin
#HBC | FrozeηFlame
Lore
Rockin
ranmaru
@ I hate tagging Soup so somebody do it for me
I'll need a majority to vote on keeping the game or nuking it and restarting anew. I'm giving this until Wednesday, if that's cool with ya'll.
(edit: Also deep apologies to anyone who's been tagged and has already requested replacement or been replaced)
I'll be allowing discussion in the thread on the strict basis that there is no scumhunting - We're going to be discussing something else; that'll be the activity of the game
We're going to have a vote on whether to Nuke and Reset, or to keep the game running.
"Why?"
1. There's been a lot of replacements, as you all know. We certainly haven't ran dry of them, but more replacements can cause morale to run dry
2. Everyone's busier than before - Summer's aren't free for a lot of us anymore, and even for say, me, I still do graduate school
3. There's a lot of people in this game - Even with Tom dead, we're at 13. This game will still take a while.
4. Life stuff has happened to the mods - Even if we continue on, it's going to be a little bit different. Instead of me as the reserve mod, that duty will go to Red Ryu, and Giraffel/I will be modding. (if he doesn't want to, I'll take over this game fully to make sure it runs at it's finest)
"So, why not nuke the game then?"
I'm in all of the PM's and I see that this thread has invested a lot of time and energy into the game. It's unfair to nuke it even if we (the co-mods) are starting to think it should be.
"What do the two options contain?"
Keep the game running -
giraffelasergun
and I will take over more of the hosting duties. We'll give 48 hours for the night phase (at least) as soon as th is is chosen.Nuke and Reset - I will nuke this game by posting up who everyone's roles are (or let everyone else talk it over if they prefer to reveal themselves); Giraffel and I will proceed to host a game with a smaller amount of players - 7, 11, or 13. It'll be in the same vein of this one so we won't do any ******* modding (Unless... you all prefer a B Mod game done by yours truly instead)
Vote Count:
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Nuke and Reset (0) -
Spak
#HBC | Gorf
#HBC | Nabe
#HBC | Kary
#HBC | Mac
#HBC | Ryker
Pythag
UtopianPoyzin
#HBC | FrozeηFlame
Lore
Rockin
ranmaru
@ I hate tagging Soup so somebody do it for meI'll need a majority to vote on keeping the game or nuking it and restarting anew. I'm giving this until Wednesday, if that's cool with ya'll.
(edit: Also deep apologies to anyone who's been tagged and has already requested replacement or been replaced)
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#HBC | ѕoup
The world is not beautiful, therefore it is.
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I'm not an official replacement yet, but my intent regardless of what alignment I landed was to not back-read. There's too much going on and I think trying to read into every line posted would be faulty and probably frustrating for the people waiting on me.
I'm fine with going from there or even nuking the game, but I don't think you can force people to stop being inactive by continuing to post as that gets tiring. Obviously Tom is not here but if I were in his position (I saw a post where he tried to make reads) I would feel pretty discouraged from posting or even overwhelmed from this alone.
I'm fine with going from there or even nuking the game, but I don't think you can force people to stop being inactive by continuing to post as that gets tiring. Obviously Tom is not here but if I were in his position (I saw a post where he tried to make reads) I would feel pretty discouraged from posting or even overwhelmed from this alone.
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#HBC | ѕoup
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I don't think the thread is as unhealthy as it seems, it's just a bit confusing and maybe cluttered. You're all good players and an environment like that puts the test in ways that can be cumbersome. This isn't like the majority of games (not taking away from those who played in them) recently. It's like comparing Little League to MLB Baseball, and it's in my bias that DGames has a ton of ****ing star power and when a game like that is organized it's gonna be tough.
That being said, I'd love to see that stardom is a more controlled environment where people aren't breathing down each other's necks. I'd like a reset for that reason.
That being said, I'd love to see that stardom is a more controlled environment where people aren't breathing down each other's necks. I'd like a reset for that reason.
#HBC | ѕoup
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We're all friends here, I think what Ruy/Third would want is for us to enjoy ourselves over what integrity a setup or game has. The intent seemed pretty clear to me reading the OP this was just meant to be a homage in some ways, and I'd really like to see it done proper.