There were several things that caught my attention. Some were ugly, while others are more wtf.
Hi everyone! I haven't played in a long time, I feel like I've forgotten how to play mafia.
What do you mean by your playstyle is eccentric? How do you think your playstyle would differ as town and scum?
I can't tell if they were really asking them this, or maybe there was some sort of hidden ajenda with it. either way, the question felt like it wouldn't benefit much in the general sense of town, so why ask this?
One sec, getting to JeXs first.
Hmm, as I was talking with Kary in the previous game, my biggest thing is that I whenever I see something out of the ordinary, I would investigate, which is fine, but usually my interpretation of "out of the ordinary" is wrong in the end. "Oh, player A is trying to help town? Hm, looks like player A is scum trying to look like town by helping town, just to kill us later." "Player B is completely innocent? Well maybe that's just what Player B wants you to think." I advise you all to not look too far into my train of thought, as it's usually plummeting off of a bridge.
I mean, my goal as town is to make myself appear blatantly town to help town, and my goal as scum is to appear "blatantly town" to backstab town. I know that me saying this makes myself seem super suspicious, given that I try to make my scum game as close as possible to my town game, but I would be lying if I said that my goal as scum is to be the D1 lynch, if I was scum. Originally, my goal in the game, regardless if I was scum or town, was to survive for as long as possible, resorting only to self-preservation. It was a terrible mindset, especially as town trying to outlast the other townies. I dropped that mentality in the previous game, and am now committed to helping town from then forward.
I was more surprised that he answered. LOL
yeah, sure, read below
you're actually not all that wrong here, and I think I'm closer to maven's mindset than you think. I read it, it felt non-genuine, so I re-scanned it to try to poke at what made it feel off to me.
neither piece of advice is bad, but the difference between them makes the post not read to me as a natural line of logic, it reads to me as you going into it with a mindset of wanting to be seen giving advice/LAMIST.
to answer Gorf, I also really don't get why you're keeping an RVS vote on someone who's absent, and not voting me? it's weirdly cautious and I thought my post might prod you into it, but for some reason you double down that you don't like my stance on your opener and that it's different from maven, but you don't want to follow up on that. maybe you're just a less aggressive player, and it's just our styles being opposed, but I can see scum!you not wanting to look like you're omgus-ing me and settling for the tepid fos instead. why fos? why not vote?
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I never quite understood the exchange between the two. It's been mentioned, but it was a nice reminder. Then again, I'm also biased with this cause my last game didn't have this reminder and town (myself included) flubbed on that mafia game LOL.
oh whoops I hit submit I'm tired
can someone else weigh in on this? I know i'm making a lot out of a little, given that it's like page 6, but this is weird, yes?
I wasn't a fan of this post in particular. Most of the post before this have been against Marshy, and when it seemed like he couldn't get much more out of it, he opened the door for discussion as well as anyone else willing to take a crack at it. Again, I don't think it was a particular topic needed for discussion.
After that, there's been some form of discussion between each other. Some were good points pointed out, others may need more elaboration on their stances.
At the beginning, there wasn't anything that jumped out in regards of Ranmaru's post. However, the brief exchange between Tom and Ranmaru was odd. Not because of what Tom did, but more of what Ranmaru did. It seemed he got flustered, voted Tom, and made a shoddy stance on it as well as other things.
Reads:
Maven: He posted that Marshy's first post was forced, but never followed up on this nor did he continue posting and is absent right now. So he's more of a question mark I'd consider. Null question mark.
Doop: Re-reading the posts and Marshy's FOS, I'm not really feeling scum vibes from Doop. I'm entirely null on him.
Gorf: I feel like he's posting in a way that shows he doesn't care to risk seeming willy nilly, and will mention that (and yes I will discredit his read on me) he has always pushed me and been incorrect each time, especially last game. Null-town.
KevinM: I'm not sure. I'm assuming the scum tell he is basing his read on me is incorrect, and since I know Kevin not to be one to explain, I'll assume that he either believes I'm scum for pushing a newbie, or for my playstyle (asking questions). Of which I would say: newbs can be scum too, so I push for them, and my playstyle, it's null. JTB states I don't question KevinM, but I have no questions for him and I know he wouldn't explain anyway, so it would be a waste. This is why I respond to Kevin in the way I do. If someone votes you without a reason, there really isn't much you can do but laugh it off. (Yes I know that I asked UTO about this knowing that, he's an exception because he's new and that's good content to have)
So basically, KevinM is null to me and I need a flip of association to truly read him.
Jex: Jex scumlean. He's fine with lending his vote onto Rockin without really trying to push for his own avenues. I also think he might have scum slipped, as he asked me about my gorf read knowing I had no strong feelings. (This may signify a scum connection between Jex and Gorf, but at the moment I don't feel they are connected nor do we have to buddy hunt yet until we get a scum flip)
JTB: Town lean, I liked his questioning towards Marshy on him pushing Doop but not mentioning Maven. Generally I liked his posts, and I find him wrong on me especially since he was able to garner a read on an answer from a question he asked me how I could form a read from. (I just find that funny)
Pythag: I still think that him not pushing Uto but claiming his self meta is scummy is null-scum at best but he didn't try to change anything, he stayed in the same place. (Which is why I have him as null leaning) I'm less confident about Pythag right now.
Tom: He's not trying to determine his read on me, more so point out the negatives and even use me being wrong against me. Meaning, he's not considering that I'm town that was wrong. He doesn't even follow up with my reasoning after, where I state that I was expecting Pytag to vote, and waiting is the smarter move to see how that develops. I made the mistake of expecting a much bigger post. Does that truly make me scum? No. I also feel his recent post on my large post is just more painting me scummy without considering scum / town motivation. He just wants to lynch, and that's scum indicative to me.
Marshy: He's null to me. The second most recent game, I town read him when he was scum. My most recent game I had with him, I scum read him when he was town. My hands are in the air when it comes to reading him right now. My best bet is to just push his buddy and he will hard oppose that, as he did in the game where I read him as town when he was scum. Not someone I have a concern with at the moment.
Ryker: Null, because I don't understand him voting Pytag over me but I assume I'm lower priority to him right now. I would actually like his stances. Overall I don't have a problem with him at the moment, Ryker is someone I have a hard time reading as well but would rather look into him based on connections as that would be easier for me.
Kary: I'm liking his questioning so far and his questions of Ryker. I'm actually not sure if he's seriously voting Pythag at the moment though. Null-town due to questioning and tone, mostly.
Frozenflame: He's in the same category as Kary right now, and I like his vote on Jex at the moment. I like his questioning, and I like that he brings up the point that Gorf could be postering to be read as null (I assume that's what he means). I did consider that, but again, I haven't seen him do that as scum nor do I think he's that confident at scum but I may be wrong as I have mostly seen his town games (gorf).
Macman: Null, I feel like he needs to post more and actually make a push before I have a better stance on him. Also I would like to interact with him.
So there are some key things I have issue with in regards of this post.
He feels that Jex is a scumlean, and Tom is scum in general. That's fine (as I have a similar stance on the two). The problem is that he likes Frozenflame's questioning and vote on Jex, but ranmaru himself is not voting with frozenflame in regards of Jex. It's not like there isn't going to be a wagon on Tom anytime soon (since none seem interested in him). I just find the reasoning inconsistant with his words and stances. if he wanted to question Tom and press them more for questions, he would've done it much better then this shoddy hot air he's doing on Tom.
What I'm saying is that the vote on Tom feels more like he's been personally attacked then him feeling that he's really scum.
Weird I feel like this page is actually pretty good content from myself. What do you mean by airy? Also fair on the first two lines. *Rockin could be scum* but it's actually just a null wagon at the moment, but I'd be willing to compromise to him if need be. Please, give me an example of how I miss intent. (Seriously) It's also vibes too from them. I don't think Jex being willing to wagon Rockin should be enough for you to favor him and you know that. When you give your stances can you be a doll and give him a serious look over?
I'd love to hear the reasoning behind this.
So you're willing to jump on the wagon, despite your scumlean and scum pick in the same wagon? :S
Also I'm liking my vote more than Pythag or Maven. I would appreciate anyone talking to me about Tom.
I hate this sooooo much.
Now that I got those things out the way, I'd like to talk a bit more about stuff.
As far as the wagon, I'm not scared of the person who started the wagon. However, I'm more concerned for the people who are in the wagon (Jex and Tom). I don't remember Jex saying anything of importance in regards to the topics that's been talked about. I know Tom made posts here and there, but nothing in particular hasn't offended my senses in regards to the reading.
I'd like to hear more from Kary, Dooplissity, Uptopian, JTB, Maven, and Pythag. I felt like I either didn't hear much of them, or they may have posted, but I still don't have a clear picture of where they stand in the situation. I'd like to know from each of them of their thoughts on the topic that's been going on thus far, as well as key people they might think are scummy (if there's even any).
Nabe, Python, Maven, Jexs, and Rockin... why y’all don’t have a vote on someone yet. Got a SMOOTH wagon over here to ride if you want in. Rockin you can join too don’t be scared
You know I don't like joining in on random bandwagons, KevinM. >:C
