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[#HBC | ZoZo]

nah movie critics etc would not be where it was right now if movie quality was entirely subjective

its largely objective

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Perhaps from your view. But not mine.

Actually no. Saying that movies are objectively rated goes against what objectivity and subjectivity mean. It's factually incorrect.

Also Xonar that's also really wrong. Look up any movie review and you'll see almost all of it is based on subjectivity

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

There's obviously a line that people draw on quality. You can tell the difference between a major Hollywood film and a youtube video made by a guy with a camcorder. Like lighting, camera angles, special effects, the level of acting, the script, all come into play when we internally decide whether the movie is good or not.

 

[Xivii]

Actually no. Saying that movies are objectively rated goes against what objectivity and subjectivity mean. It's factually incorrect.

Also Xonar that's also really wrong. Look up any movie review and you'll see almost all of it is based on subjectivity

No you need Jesus.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Maybe the form of what we consider "objective" is from the subjective view that these qualities are what we consider good. But you could apply the word subjective to almost anything that way.

 

[Evil Eye]

There are base elements of filmmaking that are objective, same as with literature or anything else. You can make the argument that Twilight is better than The Sun Also Rises "because subjectivity", but literally anyone with half a mind will tell you you're ********. The same is true of film. Different strokes for different folks only accounts for things around the middle of the quality curve for any medium imo. The truly great films/books/whatever and truly awful films/books/whatever are what they are, and there's no arguing around it either way, even if something in the former group is not to your taste or something in the latter group amuses you for whatever reason.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Your statement is dependent on people possessing half a mind. When Twilight fan fiction porn tops the New York Times Bestseller list in American literature, how can you ascribe some form of acknowledged consent on 'intrinsic good' when something so intrinsically bad flies off book shelves at Costco faster than their hot cakes.

 

[Tom]

join the pogeymans game tom!

I would, but I have limited time that I can spend for DGames, and I am already committed to spending it on different games.

 

[Evil Eye]

@Acro: I sincerely believe that after the world has ended, someone's going to point at this and say "that's where we done goofed"

it's a great sadness, honestly, like it legitimately depresses me

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Really EE? If someone where to say "Manos is better than Citizen Kane", even though you might not like that opinion. It's still an opinion, just like how saying "Citizen Kane is better than Manos" is also just an opinion. There are some objective qualities to judge movies by, but they're rarley enough to deliver a final say.

I discuss music on the internet. I'm pretty sure I know the difference between objectivity and subjectivity.

Also, if you want a depressing list, check out the reader's choice for this one.

http://www.modernlibrary.com/top-100/100-best-novels/

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

@Acro: I sincerely believe that after the world has ended, someone's going to point at this and say "that's where we done goofed" it's a great sadness, honestly, like it legitimately depresses me

We are a very goofy people. Our internal revenue tax service just got exposed for paying a key speaker $17,000 to draw motivational pictures, yes, a key speaker who draws pictures. And another motivational speaker $25,000 to teach our tax masters inner feng shui towards inner enlightenment by going 'crazy' and thinking 'out of the box'. Apparently filing taxes can be a very creative process if you put your mind into it. Our General Service Administration which is supposed to catch these wasteful spending antics, appropriately spent $835,000 at a Las Vegas Convention in which $6,300 was spent on making commemorative coins for the occasion. Yes, our federal bureaus know that there's no better value for real money than making more fake money. However, lately we've both been goofy as of late. Perhaps our goofy-pandemic is reaching cross borders as Toronto mayor Rob Ford has shown to have been making progressive efforts in getting cocaine off the street on his own power of consumption. HALF A MIND. I wish.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

See, stuff like that sounds like something out of a political satire novel. Then you realize that it's real.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

There's obviously a line that people draw on quality. You can tell the difference between a major Hollywood film and a youtube video made by a guy with a camcorder. Like lighting, camera angles, special effects, the level of acting, the script, all come into play when we internally decide whether the movie is good or not.

While many of these are phrased as quality arguments, they actually draw on Western film-making conventions, which have iterated through generations to drive what we perceive as "good" today. You can tell a difference between those mediums (film and YT), and as such you (or your 'people') draw that line on quality. But even the seemingly objective fact of that difference would be intrinsically altered to someone unused to those conventions, and for any number of reasons YT could be subjectively judged as better than films by those people. Or by anyone -- I mean, I could say a video was "objectively better" because it subverts the modern filmmaking conventions I've grown used to (See: any film of the first half of the previous century, any Japanese cartoon pre-1985), but I'd be wrong in saying so. This is the only reason movie reviews exist as subjective judgments of content, and it's the reason why not every film looks alike.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

oh sweet jesus. Ayn Rand and L. Ron Hubbard are, apparently, the greatest authors.

 

[Xivii]

Ramses I literally needed less than 5 seconds for you to tell me "yes" or "no" -_-

 

[Xivii]

 

[Circus]

Did I just miss an objectivity vs. subjectivity debate?

Thank goodness.

 

[Circus]

By the way, I rather liked Star Trek Into Darkness. I completely understand why it wouldn't satisfy fans of the show or previous, non-Abrams movies, and I think it's well within any fan's right to complain about something they love being twisted into something almost unrecognizable just to make it appeal to more people. But divorced from that, as a fun, summer, popcorn movie, it's pretty much exactly what you could reasonably hope for. It's well acted, well paced, exciting. Funny moments are funny. Thrilling moments are thrilling. Touching moments are (to a degree) touching. Aside from being pretty sexist, it's a good, entertaining action movie. Taken with its flaws, I'd still take a dozen more movies like Into Darkness every summer over even one more Transformers.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

It always brings a smile to my face to see DGames having civilized discussion about topics I know nothing about.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Did I just miss an objectivity vs. subjectivity debate?

Thank goodness.

you know that feeling when you step into the dgames social

and you feel like there's another big debate you've got to defuse in a humorous fashion

because it's important to have a well-rounded opinion on some things

but also not to take things to seriously


I mean really, I just come here to dance

 

[#HBC | Joker]

you know that feeling when you step into the dgames social

and you feel like there's another big debate you've got to defuse in a humorous fashion

because it's important to have a well-rounded opinion on some things

but also not to take things to seriously


I mean really, I just come here to dance

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

ofwgktadgaf ftw d(^_^)b

Ramses I literally needed less than 5 seconds for you to tell me "yes" or "no" -_-

yesnomaybeso

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

you know that feeling when you step into the dgames social

and you feel like there's another big debate you've got to defuse in a humorous fashion

because it's important to have a well-rounded opinion on some things

but also not to take things to seriously

movies are movies, guys

 

[Handorin]

Really EE? If someone where to say "Manos is better than Citizen Kane", even though you might not like that opinion. It's still an opinion, just like how saying "Citizen Kane is better than Manos" is also just an opinion. There are some objective qualities to judge movies by, but they're rarley enough to deliver a final say.

I discuss music on the internet. I'm pretty sure I know the difference between objectivity and subjectivity.

Also, if you want a depressing list, check out the reader's choice for this one.

http://www.modernlibrary.com/top-100/100-best-novels/

But it has a book about zen and his thoughts on motorcycles! Didn't we just waste all that time with an interview? It was all right here.
ZEN AND THE ART OF MOTORCYCLE MAINTENANCE
by Robert Pirsig

 

[Marshmellowman]

wait

does zens post linking to that rap actually have anything to do with ofwgkta? i cant actually check the details due to my ****tyass phone

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

same beat my brotha

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I've watched some TOS. You take the good with the bad and the ugly, pretty much. A lot of sci-fi or fantastical themes get used [and abused], causing you to grimace. Oh, another noble savages story. Oh, another Unstoppable God Being story (some of these are great, mind you, but quite a few of them run together as unimaginative and overly similar). And of course some of them just stink too much of the era's cultural drippings to stand up to a 21st century eye.

Now and then, though, you get a really brilliant episode that's just exactly what science fiction oughta be. And even the 'eh' episodes tend to have good scenes. There was an episode I saw a couple months ago that postulated about the history of the Greek Gods and their possible existence -- and not so supernatural origins. An episode where weapon advances has caused war to become so streamlined that the warring states launch their attacks via simulation, and those declared dead voluntarily walk into execution chambers. These episodes ask interesting questions, like how you might define a God, how far one ought to go in personal compromise of a greater good, and many more of both broad and direct evocation. Would you submit your personal identity in favor of a group identity, discard your human desires -- love, sex, family, personal pleasures of any kind -- in exchange for eternal life? Meanwhile, other episodes will just provide a solid adventure, often with a mystery at the heart of it, mystery being a genre that just isn't mixed with scifi enough outside of books.

Also, Kirk, McCoy, and Spock are a really great screen trio with great chemistry and interactions. I could do without the orchestral trills that underline a lot of their interaction (I get it, it's a funny scene, shut up damn it), but the interactions themselves are just damn fun to watch. I haven't seen ST:ID yet, so I'm hoping it plays with that stuff a lot more than the first reboot film did, since the story didn't really allow for that.

Honestly? Their interactions are presented as if they've already occurred, and McCoy is held at arm's length. Characterization is mostly eschewed for plot and action aside from a couple dynamics, and the introduction of some minor characters that amount to world-building in lieu of the movie actually travelling through space. Every indication is that the Star Trek cycle is continuing, wherein every other movie is good.

You should watch my TNG streams sometime.

 

[Marshmellowman]

oh word zozo? what song?

ive listened to a bit of tyler and frank ocean. i think the former could stand to not go out of his way for shock value and the latter is a great singer but i hate how critics ride his **** tho i havent listened to tylers new album

i recognize that beat from for the money by fabolous with nicki minaj. that song was pretty meh

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtOwSRGBMG8 Orange Juice ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfG7ZLAmRGg original)

Tyler is great and I love his shock factor. My favorite is definitely Earl though. Molliwopped is good fun and has a RIDICULOUS flow and Chum is a great introspective story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyYW67Gj4EA Molliwopped
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCbWLSZrZfw Chum

 

[#HBC | Kary]

movies are movies, guys

yes but some of them are scary

But it has a book about zen and his thoughts on motorcycles! Didn't we just waste all that time with an interview? It was all right here.
ZEN AND THE ART OF MOTORCYCLE MAINTENANCE
by Robert Pirsig

very good book, imo.

tho not very instructive on zen, or on motorcycles.

 

[Orboknown]

By the way, I rather liked Star Trek Into Darkness. I completely understand why it wouldn't satisfy fans of the show or previous, non-Abrams movies, and I think it's well within any fan's right to complain about something they love being twisted into something almost unrecognizable just to make it appeal to more people. But divorced from that, as a fun, summer, popcorn movie, it's pretty much exactly what you could reasonably hope for. It's well acted, well paced, exciting. Funny moments are funny. Thrilling moments are thrilling. Touching moments are (to a degree) touching. Aside from being pretty sexist, it's a good, entertaining action movie. Taken with its flaws, I'd still take a dozen more movies like Into Darkness every summer over even one more Transformers.

I went with a family of Trekkie's who rather enjoyed the movie and thought it led into the original series pretty well.

 

[Evil Eye]

yo nabe eta on the next ep of sexytimes imo

 

[Evil Eye]

also if anybody wants an invite to the Sexytimes Conversation I think I can hook that up, due to adminhax letting you invite people past capacity or something, so lemme know

 

[Orboknown]

I could do with a laugh EE.

 

[th3kuzinator]

what is this thing that you speak of

 

[Evil Eye]

kuzi your body is not ready

I know it's ready for a lot of ****, but it's not ready for this

anyways one sec

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

also if anybody wants an invite to the Sexytimes Conversation I think I can hook that up, due to adminhax letting you invite people past capacity or something, so lemme know

Umm, sure?

 

[Orboknown]

quick skim through that convo but holy **** is it funny.
skim because I need to go eat lunch.

 

[th3kuzinator]

quick skim through that convo but holy **** is it funny.
skim because I need to go eat lunch.

you insult the beauty that is anything EE posts

fool

 

[Orboknown]

I wasn't insulting anything EE posted. I specifically made sure to read all that he posted while lightly overviewing all else.