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[#HBC | Ryker]

You're speaking an "opinion" on a subject, but flying it under the banner of a group with a distinct answer.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You're speaking an "opinion" on a subject, but flying it under the banner of a group with a distinct answer.

I don't understand, what is the exact answer that you're/they're preaching? I've always believed there is many ways to interpret Christianity, which is why there are many different churches (Baptist, Orthodox, Lutheran, Catholic, Roman Catholic etc.).

 

[Ramen King]

Nothing will happen.

If ya consider a visit from celestians far beyond us in the understanding of the universe, then yes.

 

[BarDulL]

@Zen - You'd get lynched...literally.

I guess I'm arguing the wrong way. Individualism is probably the greatest thing ever, really, but if you can't fend for yourself, then you can't be an individual, which is basically what I'm trying to say.

Edit: I mean, YOU CAN be an individual, but all those individualistic values you hold are going to collapse right on top of you when your support goes kaput. The guy I know is going to be crushed when his parent's support is diminished.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I don't understand, what is the exact answer that you're preaching? I've always believed there is many ways to interpret Christianity, which is why there are many different churches (Baptist, Orthodox, Lutheran, Catholic, Roman Catholic etc.).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBKIyCbppfs

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

If ya consider a visit from celestians far beyond us in the understanding of the universe, then yes.

http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/dm_report.html

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[Ramen King]

@Zen - You'd get lynched...literally.

Exactly. We haven't gone through decades of training for nothing!

 

[BarDulL]

I had a girlfriend who was in track. She had the greatest *** ever.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I just can't wait until December 21.

th is

 

[Tom]

god is a vampire

 

[Ignatius]

Decenmber 21 I'm eating an entire Pumpkin Pie. Best end of the world ever.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Wow wait you guys were having a religious debate in here without me?

Brb reading.

 

[BarDulL]

This is an unnecessary post.

mfw

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

 

[Gova]

Ryker is V/LA due to having no internet.

 

[Kantrip]

That religious discussion was disgusting.

 

[BarDulL]

Yeah, I'm admittedly trying to forget it already. I don't even know what the hell I was talking about. I was essentially advocating religion for people who are incapable of leading their own lives.

What is this I don't even.

On other news, R.I.P. Michael Clarke Duncan.

 

[Ramen King]

Which is more important, being right or getting along with other people?

/thoughts for every day

And even when they became discontented, as they sometimes did, their discontent led nowhere, because, being without general ideas, they could only focus it on petty specific grievances. The larger evils invariably escaped their notice. --George Orwell

 

[Ramen King]

Man I'd get lynched faster than a d1 Bardull ql.

I think this was ironically incredibly bigoted to say especially since I know nothing about Alabamian culture.

 

[*Cam*]

Man I'd get lynched faster than a d1 Bardull ql.

Can people who know nothing about AL stop dragging its name through the mud? Thanks. I'm openly atheist in Alabama and have never had a problem.

 

[Ramen King]

How do you like them ninjas?

 

[adumbrodeus]

You seem sort of vain, Mr. Shadow imperfect God.

Fixed


Maybe just a wee bit.

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They're visiting for my b-day.

Hopefully things don't get as messy as they did last time, you have no idea how much trouble it was to rebuild the world the last time.




*avoids theological discussion because of tendency to get WAY too committed and indepth about these things*

 

[Ramen King]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0AiN8vrn9Y

Guys my roommate is talking to himself in Chinese so I have no idea what he is saying ;_;

 

[Ramen King]

So my school is now offering classes such as "Surviving the zombie apocalypse" and "Learning life through the simpsons"

Really??? Like for electives? What subjects do they fall under?

That religious discussion was disgusting.

Out of curiosity , what did you particularly find disgusting ?

 

[BSL]

Can people who know nothing about AL stop dragging its name through the mud? Thanks. I'm openly atheist in Alabama and have never had a problem.

I think you misunderstood. The comment was about slavery, not religion.

That is, if I interpreted it correctly.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I disagree.

 

[John2k4]

That is false.

 

[Ramen King]

Not that it matters anymore, but it was about being a black man speaking against Christianity.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Alabama sucks though.

 

[BSL]

 

[vanderzant]

Also this isn't meant as a counterpoint, because I think there's an actual answer in the Bible or religion somewhere

but what about the many many people who existed prior to Christianity? They had no baptism, no communion, no even vague notion of Christianity. What about isolated pygmy tribes that have never heard of Jesus or the Christian God? What about Jews or muslims, who rather explicitly believe in the very same God? Particularly the children in countries such as this (Israel, Iraq, etc) where the upbringing of the children dictates what religion they follow and, probably, what religions they even know about?

I dunno man, you're talking about an omnipotent creator of the universe that helps people win a race or a game or get over a cold while tens of thousands die from starvation. I'm not sure if he's really interested in the logistics of things

Spoiler

Semi-joking here, no offense intended at anyone

And even when they became discontented, as they sometimes did, their discontent led nowhere, because, being without general ideas, they could only focus it on petty specific grievances. The larger evils invariably escaped their notice. --George Orwell

Great book.

And long thread is long, will try to read more stuff later.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I dunno man, you're talking about an omnipotent creator of the universe that helps people win a race or a game or get over a cold while tens of thousands die from starvation. I'm not sure if he's really interested in the logistics of things

Spoiler

Semi-joking here, no offense intended at anyone

This comment reminded me of this video and it's amazing.


Is ironically, seemingly the only practicing christian in the thread, catholic specifically.

Honestly, if anyone wants to talk about theology i'd be down one on one, you guys bring a lot of pretty deep philosophical objections and I don't think this is the right place to answer them.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

wake up at 4am
spend time learning maya

**** yes xonar

im bored guys whassup

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I recently added 2 more languages to my belt.
PHP and Ruby

How's your place going Xonar ?
Still killing bugs with the glass of eternal damnation ?

 

[Handorin]

Sup Tom. I've missed ya. Where you at now?

[collapse=More Religious Stuff, responses to quotes within each collapse]
Also a disclaimer, I guess: You don't have to believe me, and I'm not asking you to. I am, however, hoping you take my words with thought and an open mind, and then perhaps just ask God if it's true or not. If he's even there, he will answer, and it will be the truth.
[collapse=Macman]

the question that ultimately pushed me away from Christianity is: Why would an all powerful , all knowing, and loving God create human beings knowing that the vast majority of them would not believe in him and therefore be punished with eternal damnation?


anyways, has anyone read Snow Crash? currently reading it and it's blowing my mind

Follow me here. Before we were here, we already existed. We were spirits. We are God's children. We saw exactly what God was, and we wanted to "grow up and be like daddy" just like any kid wants to be like his father. He loves us and wanted to give us a chance to do that. Ramen King hit the nail on the head with this: He gave us freedom, or the ability to choose. We already chose to come here. He knew that many of us wouldn't make it, even with help, but he also knew that many of us would make it. I can't imagine how happy he will be when he sees many of his children reach their potential, overcome challenges and make it back to him. Just like I'm sure a father here on Earth is proud of his child when they are successful in their life time, or better off than they were. We go through this life and make choices, and we develop our own desires, etc. While someone might not even receive the chance to believe, that doesn't qualify them to eternal damnation. God wants as many of his children back as he can. Everyone will receive a chance after this life and before the judgement to learn everything they need to know. Does that mean they will accept it because they are "obviously" in an after life or whatever? Not necessarily. Pride is a big thing. You just spent a lifetime developing a character, and you will still have the same desires, cravings, etc. It won't be easy to change still. And obviously, there are a whole range of attitudes, levels of devotion and so forth, and that's why it isn't as simple as just a "heaven" and "hell". I hope I've answered the root of the question though, even if it seems like a short answer (to me). I'll probably touch a similar topic with BSL[/collapse]

[collapse=Evil Eye]

I respect religion. I really do. But when it's being debated in this manner I just gotta speak up against something like this:



I'm kind of confused as to how you don't see how utterly unfair this is.

People have wiggle room to **** up so long as they repent, be baptized, other sacraments, and hold the fort. This stuff I can understand. There's some sense here.

But the first one is just........ unacceptable, if you want to push God as a benevolent figure. And you know why? Because you can force yourself to seek out corrective behaviors after doing something bad, but you can't force yourself to believe something. You just can't. Period. You believe what you believe. You believe what the facts you have witness and evaluated have led you to. You can't force yourself to believe ****. It just happens. I didn't choose to believe what the color blue looks like to me; it imposed upon me based on my perceptions. This is how belief works.

Knowing this, God will punish a good person that doesn't believe alongside unrepentant murderers and rapists for all eternity? Despite what I just said? Yes, I have heard the free will argument. It does not answer to the petty cruelty of this, because to repeat it one more time, you cannot force yourself to believe something.

I was raised a Catholic. Believed. Kept at my Catholic thing for a while, but by the time I was 12-14 I was already starting to have doubts. As time wore on, I simply could not believe. There was no choice involved; I just didn't believe, and was realizing it. Despite this, I actually lead my life (and intend to in the future) in a manner that is about in keeping with the good stuff in the Bible (and, for that matter, Torah, Quran etc etc). I have morals and principles, strong empathy for other people. I consider myself a good person. Hell, I'm even going into policing for all of the right reasons; serve and protect people and all that junk.

But, oh. Because I don't believe (and oh, did I ever ****in' try) I get chained to a volcanic rock and suffer for the rest of eternity, possibly next to the murderers, rapists, and other unrepentant criminals I intend to make a career of arresting.

Seems legit.

You're exactly right. No one can force you to believe anything, not even yourself. However, the person is the only one responsible for whether or not he does believe. The natural tendency of man is to doubt. So what do we do? Test it. That's exactly what faith is. First, even if you can't have faith at first, is to have simply with desire or wish to believe. You start with that. Think of faith as a seed in a garden. You plant a seed in the soil. You don't know at first if it is going to grow, but you nurture it. You water it, give it sunlight. After awhile, it will start to sprout and grow. You see that something is coming of it, so you keep on nurturing it. Eventually, it will be a full grown tree. Then fruit will sprout, and you can taste it to see if it's good. Along the way, there will be weeds growing. If you don't pull out the weeds, it can kill the fruit tree before it's strong enough. So with faith, you just have to wish something was true. Then try it out, keep trying. Wait and look for evidence. As you notice how things change in your life, you are able to tell if it is a good faith or a bad faith. As it says in the Bible, we will know them by their fruits. Doubts will creep up and kill your faith if you don't rip them out and realize what you have experienced already is good, and that the tree isn't the weed. The weeds are.

So will good people who also chose not to believe in Christ, or maybe chose to believe but not do everything they could all the time, etc etc, be placed next to the murderers and rapists? No. That's unjust to both sides, and neither of them would feel comfortable with the other or even think that it's fair. As I alluded to with Macman, there has to be more than just heaven and hell because mankind just isn't that simple.

Also this isn't meant as a counterpoint, because I think there's an actual answer in the Bible or religion somewhere

but what about the many many people who existed prior to Christianity? They had no baptism, no communion, no even vague notion of Christianity. What about isolated pygmy tribes that have never heard of Jesus or the Christian God? What about Jews or muslims, who rather explicitly believe in the very same God? Particularly the children in countries such as this (Israel, Iraq, etc) where the upbringing of the children dictates what religion they follow and, probably, what religions they even know about?

I'd like to propose that Christian beliefs were practiced before Christ, and that this evidence was largely taken out of scripture by man, for various reasons, or was lost. A couple simple points would be: 1) John the Baptist was baptizing before Christ started his ministry. 2) The Jews were to receive a law with Moses, but because of their pride, they forgot their God and Moses received a second, lesser law which is often referred to as the Ten Commandments or the Law of Moses. All of that was supposed to point toward Christ and remind the Jews of him.
That aside, even if that isn't true, everyone will receive their chance to hear and accept or deny it. After Christ was crucified, it says in the Bible that he went into the Spirit World to teach the dead. This umbrellas everyone since the beginning of mankind until the end of it. No one will be left out.
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[collapse=BSL]

EE sort of covered what I was going to say, but only like half of it. A good person who doesn't believe is punishe.

Now what about the bad people who live their life like ****, then hit the judgment table. Of ****ing course they're going to admit that god exists and go to heaven.

That last chance trumps all other chances.

How fair is that to the good, believing person who never broke a commandment, follow all beatitudes, etc.??

The existence of the final chance makes me want think god actually dgaf about what you do on earth, as long as you say sorry at the end.

I'd say everyone will admit there is a God eventually, but that doesn't change the desires of their heart. They will still enjoy their lifestyle and choices and choose to stick with them. Think of Satan. Does he know there is a God. You betcha ya. What does he do though? Do everything in his power to fight him. He wants us to become miserable like he is. More of a human example? Old Testament Cain. He learns from Adam and Eve, who walked and talked with God, what right and wrong was. He even hears God himself. But what does he do? Love Satan more than God. He offers up an unrighteous sacrifice knowingly, and then goes on to kill Abel and tries to hide it. He knows and admits, yet he fights. New Testament Judas. He walks and talks with Christ and knows exactly who he is. What happens? He sells him for money.

That doesn't mean people can't repent though and change their ways to become worthy to enter into heaven. I'm not going to play Judge though, because that's God's job. I'll leave it to him. He knows us and what our desires are. We know ourselves as well and will feel comfortable in the place we go because that's where we will fit in. Can you imagine being dressed in a suit for a party, only to walk in and everyone else is in pajamas. Would it feel right? I can only imagine it's a similar feeling and we wouldn't want to be there.[/collapse]

[collapse=Ramen King]

Serious Zen here (man acro i am serious most of the time lol). Thanks for chiming in Hando. It seems that the most prevalent philosophy among dgamers is that of atheism, so it's pretty cool of you to post your thoughts despite that. Many people are often afraid of causing tension and offending others, especially against a majority with opposing views so yeah.

I personally had never really had a problem with religion. There are many benefits to it, that's for sure. And I'd never just want to try and take away the happiness someone gets from it just because I feel they are wrong (as in the opposite of truth). That to me is just selfish. It wasn't until just recently, however, that I realized that there are so many more negatives with religion in this day in age then there are positive. Religion may have been a good thing to maintain a common morality among more primitive societies (especially in western culture where materialism and greed have run high), but I honestly feel that at this point in humanity's time, we can start to move away from that. I feel that we have come to a point in civilization, at least among industrialized nations, where our morality and happiness doesn't need to be given to us through religion.

I myself have gone through some intense mind ****s with regards to my beliefs, especially last year. I had been raised as a Christian and have certainly felt the love one feels when declaring their love and devotion to Christ. It is truly amazing and liberating and I feel that those who have never been through this process can never truly understand the Christian mind set or point of view.

Despite this, I, like many people do, retained some reasonable doubts. I had once gone to a three-day youth conference in which we worshiped, had discussions, and learned more about our faith. At times I had felt that I was willing to give 100% of myself to Jesus, but just one thing was keeping a barrier between that. A common question that many people often have: What about people who have done good in their life, but have not necessarily given themselves to Jesus? Is it truly fair for them to suffer eternity in hell? According to the faith, a person who has never been taught of Christianity will still go to hell no matter how good of a person they are. And rest assured, there are people, such as those among native american tribes, that have lived their entire lives without ever hearing the name 'Christ'. This concern, I've come to realize, had always kept me from giving 100% of myself to Jesus. For the longest while, like EE, I had come to realize that I naturally just didn't fully believe. However, I still have always remained an open mind and will always continue to do so.

And then came college. At our school, the minute people get to campus, there are religious surveyors EVERYWHERE. You cannot walk to class without at least coming by one or two. They always start with "hey can I get your opinion on something"? Once they draw you in, they ask you questions about your faith and then work their way into describing Jesus and hopefully getting you to come to their church or study sessions to learn more. Now my first semester of college, I still pretty much classified myself as Christian (you know how many people just put that as their default religion even if they don't go to church or anything really), and like I said I'm an open-minded person. So the first time I was wheeled in by a surveyor, I had agreed to meet with him 1-on-1.

And then the mind ****. This guy explained Christianity like I have never heard before. It all made so much sense. A friend of his even went into that concern I had over good people and people who have never heard of Christ going to hell. He basically explained to me that god has his plans, and that all we can do is try to get the word out to as many people as we can. It's our duty to make sure that people know about Jesus and his love.

This stuff just makes so much sense. I didn't know what to believe anymore. The whole first semester I had to go on a personal soul journey. I researched the differences between Muslims and Christians and Judaism. I wavered so much on my belief and it was all quite straining. I wanted to believe in Jesus, but above that, I wanted to know the truth. To give yourself 100% to someone is a big thing, ya know? I still had concerns over the only way being able to get into heaven was to acknowledge Jesus as the one and only god by that name. But I still very much wanted to believe. The "surveyors" as I call them spoke in a way that made you feel like it was just absolute truth. It's like they are SO sure. It felt wrong to disagree. Not to mention I had been primed by my culture, family, and friends as well. It just felt wrong to not believe.

I had struggled and wavered pretty much the entire first semester and had gone into some deep spiritual and philosophical moments within myself. It took a while to get over the hump, but now I realize that Christianity along with Judaism and the Islamic religion are not paths to truth. And are very much wrong (as in the opposite of good) in many aspects. It has taking me a long time to realize that I'm not wrong (as in the opposite of good) to recognize that. These religions are incredibly powerful and take full advantage of the human psyche. It actually really saddens me as I think about it.

The way I can best explain this to you I think is simply by the fact all three of those major religions follow the same scriptures, but all interpret them in different ways. Over the years, men have communicated the ideas into ways that best benefit their selves or interpret them in ways that they personally would like to interpret them. The bible, itself, was written by men, to establish what they themselves felt to be moral. Despite the fact that Hebrews were the the original chosen people of god and remain so throughout the bible, the philosophy of Christianity condemns all Hebrews to hell. Jewish people do not believe Jesus to be the son of god. And as you know, accepting that he is is the one and only way to go to heaven based on Christianity. As devoted as they are to god and remaining virtuous, they are incorrect in the name of god (based on Christianity) , and therefore, will go to hell. At the same time, they believe the exact same thing towards Christians and Muslims and every all other persons. Jewish people are just as 100% certain about their faith as Christians and the "surveyors" are to theirs. Both legitimately feel love and truth of god. This is the same towards Muslims as well. Yet in each of the three, the other two are condemned to hell a long with the rest of the world because the only way to heaven is through belief in the name of the one god. This is the strength that religion holds over people. It makes one truly and legitimately feel as if they have the truth. It completely takes advantage of the human mindset.

I know the happiness you feel from your faith. I do. But it is not the only happiness. I now feel the same happiness that I did long ago from declaring my love to Jesus. I have also been able to elicit that same feeling by making up a name for god and then putting as much belief into that name and praying to that name. The same phenomenon occurs. It's just the way the of the human psych.

I currently am still pretty much a Theist and always have been. Religion is not a factor anymore, however, and I have truly never been happier. I just love life and human beings as a whole like so much you wouldn't believe. Personally money/fame/material wealth just don't really mean much to me if I can't help humanity. Progressing our world is the only thing I care about. What one believes or doesn't believe about god is completely irrelevant. Human beings and all creatures are made with the potential to love and that is for sure. If there is a physical god, he will not be so concerned with such a human matter of what he is titled nor whether or not someone has reached the conclusion of his existence. To be concerned with what one is called is such a pity matter that no divine being would care for. To send everyone who doesn't call you by that specific name into an eternity of pain would be even more pitiful.

So yeah. One last thing I would like to add is that what one believes with regards to there being a god or not should be no thing to fret over, but religion is a different case. The reason why I feel it's important to argue against religion is because of the influence it has over people and their actions. It's just not right. To allow people to devote themselves to a faith grounded in discrimination and hate is just not something I can allow as a philanthropist. The inequality of women, the ill treatment of homosexuals, the discrimination of those of color are all written about in texts such as the Bible, Qur'an, and the Book or Mormon. So as I said at the beginning, to try and take away someone's happiness (in religion) just because you feel they are wrong (as in the opposite of truth) is selfish. I fight against religion because it is wrong (as in the opposite of good).

Basically god's gift to man is freedom. Free will is the greatest gift to human beings. god did create creatures without free will (angels) that are set to love him, but there is an even greater love that comes from choice. That is the argument there.

First of all, thanks for the compliment. I normally try to stay out of things on the internet because, well, it's the internet. But for some reason I'm chiming in this time.

To one of your first points, no, good people won't burn in hell forever because they never heard of Christ, etc. I'd rather point to my responses to Mac and EE though, because I talk about this already and I'm too lazy to type it up again... >_>

And you're exactly right. God's greatest gift to us is freedom. Another gift he would love to give us is eternal life, or living in his presence. He loves us and wants to see us again, but even better than we are now. We need these learning experiences first though. He wants to help us, so he reveals his plan to us through prophets and scriptures from ancient and modern days. Because we can choose for ourselves though, people choose to do something else that makes them feel good. They think they know better. So they go off and do something, maybe get some followers and form their own church or religion. That's why we have truth practically everywhere. So now we have a billion different directions, but there is only one God, so there has to be a way before us that he gave us, where all of the truth is. How do we find it? We search and ask him if it's true. He'll help us, but we won't get an answer until we're honestly searching and ready to act on the answer. I believe many of these "attributes" people say God have are either misunderstandings, lost truth, or "I heard someone say once...", if I had to group it in a few categories. If you believe God is perfect, then he is just and loving in every way possible, meaning he isn't discriminatory against anything. The only thing he can't look on with any degree of allowance is sin, and that's why we have Christ. He is our mediator, through which we can become clean and spotless so we can return in God's presence. God's religion or teachings aren't the problem. It's the teachings of man mingled with God's word that is.[/collapse]

[collapse=BSL's Why do I believe question]

At this point, I'd like everyone who holds a religious belief to give me an explanation of WHY you believe. I'm not going to argue (can't guarantee others won't) or criticize you or anything. I just want to know why you guys believe.

It could be a short half sentence, or a paragraph, or a 26k word novella. I'll read it. Please be serious.

While I have to admit that I was born into the church I'm a member of, that actually has little to do with it. I was taught, and I did, but I can't say I really believed or knew if any of it was true until my late teenage years. I didn't do the best of things, and I realized that something was missing. One of my youth leaders had always told us that we need to read from our scriptures daily, otherwise Satan will creep in our lives and get us. Without this spiritual nourishment, we would fall to him. So I decided just to put it to the test. I started reading. I started praying. I started to notice that my life started to improve and that I was becoming happier. I had to ask God myself if what I was taught was true. I got received the answer that it was, and I realized I saw evidence in the past and continued to see it ever since. I guess that means my answer wasn't really an all at once thing, but a culmination of lots of things. Christ's gospel gives me hope and happiness. It gives me direction. It just all makes sense. Through it, I can lead a happy fulfilling life, and I'm not afraid of death. I know that I will have the opportunity to not only live in the presence of God, but with my family and loved ones as well, for eternity. It won't be "until death do you part" when I marry my girlfriend, because it's meant to last past the grave. Those are some of the large reasons on why I believe what I do. I know it's true, and no one can take it away, except for myself.[/collapse]

[collapse=Xonar]]

Something I never understood is why Christians pray when God has everything set in his plan thingy. What's the use?

I'd say there are multiple uses to prayer. One being, if we are God's children, don't you think he wants us to talk to him every once in awhile? How would you feel if your (future) son never spoke to you? Or maybe if he did, he only ever said the same thing over and over again. Through this communication, we can get to know God. We can also learn his will for us. Or rather, we can receive guidance for our lives. Maybe we just need to be comforted. This is by all means no comprehensive list. I'll address another point in the next collapse box for Raziek.[/collapse]

[collapse=Raziek]

I have trouble with the fact that I so often hear "Everything happens for a reason" when something goes wrong, but "My prayers have been answered!" when something goes right.

There seems to be a large logical disconnect with regards to the "Divine Plan" and our self-serving viewpoints there.

I think a large misconception is exactly what you just said. We give into the fact when we didn't get our way, or we are extremely grateful when we get what we want. But that isn't always true. Prayer is the act by which the will of God and the will of us, his children, are brought into correspondence with each other. The object of prayer is not to change the will of God, but to secure for ourselves and for others blessings that God is already willing to grant, but that are made conditional on our asking for them. Blessings require some work or effort on our part before we can obtain them. Prayer is a form of work, and is an appointed means for obtaining the highest of all blessings. There are often lessons we have to learn before something happens, or indeed something happens and there is a lesson to be learned. The caveat with what you said though is when something goes "wrong" and "right". Who's to say what's wrong and right for us? We are? Do we always know what's best? Or does God know what's best? Maybe the answer we receive to a prayer isn't what we wanted, and we think it's wrong or our own speculation, but it's actually right and we come to realize this sooner or later. God always answers, but in his own due time and manner.[/collapse]

[collapse=Dark Horse]

Haha. I like it. Gotta put in your own work before you receive those blessings sometimes.[/collapse]

Also, I swear I put more time into this than I do hw, and I stayed up waaaay too late doing it. I hope you guys are happy and somewhat content... >_>
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[#HBC | ZoZo]

Moved into new place, less bugs here.

lots of people who like beer and soccer, I don't like beer or soccer. They want me to chill with em, I don't like em. I hope I can create the image of "the kid who is pretty cool but is rather left alone".
Then 2/3 of my new "friends" (acquaintances) are autistic. Somehow I attract autists. Oh well, I can live with it. and holy crap southern accent loooooool

 

[vanderzant]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRhq-yO1KN8

This thread reminded me of this amazing song

 

[BSL]

Moved into new place, less bugs here.

lots of people who like beer and soccer, I don't like beer or soccer. They want me to chill with em, I don't like em. I hope I can create the image of "the kid who is pretty cool but is rather left alone".
Then 2/3 of my new "friends" (acquaintances) are autistic. Somehow I attract autists. Oh well, I can live with it. and holy crap southern accent loooooool

what's a "southern accent"?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

a soft g and a hard l

basically
It's an accent :v

 

[BSP]

Make sure you're not getting southern and redneck confused.

If I have an accent at all, it's really light afaik.