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[#HBC | ѕoup]

forgot about my completely irrelevant self-insert to attempt to change the topic

8/10

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm pretty sure you were the one that brought up "terribad" player lists being the reason for stalling the queue, and I'm even more sure that you're the one that suggested restarting the queue in order to make it progress faster.

Then convince me that this isn't the case. You've not even touched on that. All you've done is try and convince me that my argument shouldn't be implemented, not that it wouldn't work, which is all that I'm defending.

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'll go yell at them for being rude and a total **** instead.

No, you've just been the one putting words in my mouth.

If it's not for you, then why in the hell are you arguing it out in the first place? Do you know everyone's reason for not joining in that game? If not, then please shut the **** up. It'd be wonderful if you did. Even if it's not for you, you were the one to suggest something so stupid, so regardless of who it's for, it's still a stupid, bad, and disrespectful idea.

It's a solution to a problem that others have brought up. I'm helpful. ~:>

You're reaching for a way to make me stop without letting it drop. I can make an assumption based on what I've heard and my own opinions.

Disrespectful? Maybe if you have paper thin skin. Stupid and bad? The first is wrong and the second is an opinion.

Once again, this is a completely different situation from KY crew vs you. That was because a lot of the people in the game hated you at the time, making it unpleasent for a majority of the players in the game. This is because they're considered bad to you, and people can still join the game without it being inconvenient for anyone.

It's established a precedent for putting speed of the queue over player's, how did you put it? Rights. And that's why it's relevant.

Comparing a University to a mafia game. This should be fun.

University. It isn't something you go to for fun. It's not something you just sign up for in a forum. It's not something that you can drop out of without any consequences. Are you really going to compare something you pay thousands of dollars for (in the US), something that gives you the option to go after what job you want, something that determines your life afterwards, and something that takes 3-4 years to a game of mafia, something that takes maybe 2 months, is for fun, and doesn't determine anything about your future at all? You're ****ing kidding me, right?

You dodged the point of the comparison completely. Who's at fault doesn't really matter at all.

Seriously, what did you even do with that paragraph? My point stands, the comparison is fine, you simply pointed out that "Oh my God, they're different things." Thanks Sherlock.

Okay. You're proposing a solution. I'm saying your solution is **** and that bringing it up was completely stupid of you.

Careful or you'll hurt my feelings with these personal attacks. ~:>

You're not giving a valid case as to why. There's the issue.

Timely manner doesn't matter for **** in this case. Those were the players to sign up for the game first. Therefore, they are the ones that should get to play. It's really that simple.

Why? That is an absolute statement that you're telling me to take as true with absolutely no reason. Would you believe me if I said "That cop guilty doesn't matter for **** in this case. I was the first to claim I was town, therefore I should be accepted as town. It's really that simple." You wouldn't. You're the one pushing that the proposed solution is bad, stop being so touchy and explain why.

If they have an option to rejoin the game, then why won't they all rejoin it? Unless you either don't plan on notifying them they were removed or plan on telling everyone that wanted to join at once that it was open (both of which are major **** moves and disrespectful), then they can rejoin just as quickly as they were booted out.

Timing. Pure and simple. It's the same reason they all showed up in the first place. Nope, you don't make it a secret, but neither do you go out of your way to warn everyone and their grandmother.

 

[Gova]

Joey: Raiker u are being mean!!!! :'(
Jtitz: omg Raiker i ban u from my games cuz i noticed u are mean!!
Vinyl: no raiker is mean but not that mean! dont do it jdietz!
Overswarm: Raiker needs to be mean cuz thats his mafia identity.

lik dis if you crey evry tim!

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Acrostic makes me laugh. I like that guy.

 

[BSL]

lik dis if you crey evry tim!

BSL lieks dis post

 

[Dooms]

Joey: Raiker u are being mean!!!! :'(
Jtitz: omg Raiker i ban u from my games cuz i noticed u are mean!!
Vinyl: no raiker is mean but not that mean! dont do it jdietz!
Overswarm: Raiker needs to be mean cuz thats his mafia identity.

:V

Yes that is totally what I'm saying.

No.

Ryker suggested that the queue be restarted because the player list is terribad and it's stopping the queue from moving as quickly as it could be.

I'm saying that the speed of the queue movement doesn't matter when it comes to kicking multiple players out of a game because they're "bad".

That's pretty much the argument. Have at it, Glyph. I'm assuming Ryker will say I completely misunderstood his side, call me something insulting, and post a reaction image to make himself look superior, so for entertainment purposes, I'd let him share his TL;DR version of the argument as well before joining in.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Don't do it. He's Ryker's minion.

I'm your minion, baby.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm not saying it is worth doing, Joey, that's your line. I'm saying that it would work.

I'm also trying to analyze why you don't think it's a good plan.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

My previous post was rude and a poor presentation of snide commentary on my part. I apologize. For an argument about queues to involve character defamations just struck me as being unnecessarily ridiculous.

@EE comment way far back, that stuff happens a lot which is why I used to profile check every player on my run and scan for comments to see if they were a troll or gamethrower. If they were, then I would just leave the room. If the setup had an ML I'd allow a max of two gamethrowingly bad players in the game before I left and tried to join another room. If the setup had mylo start, I'd allow only one. Also I spaced games out to avoid players who might grudge lynch me off a scum win from a previous game by taking a short break and doing something else. If I won as town previously, I just joined the next game immediately if the player cast was more or less the same. If I would dodge players for ten minutes or more, I'd just quit for a couple of hours and come back later when a new time zone would come in to play games. I also intentionally avoided people that came in groups. I would allow, at max, a pair in the game that would frequently play each other. Three, four friends who are all town doesn't make for a great gameplay prospect when you are solo-scum. Also three-way lylo with a couple as solo-scum doesn't make for a great gameplay prospect either. (When I would try to run.)

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I enjoy character defamations (you made that word up, but I like it). I really don't care.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

My previous post was rude and a poor presentation of snide commentary on my part. I apologize. For an argument about queues to involve character defamations just struck me as being unnecessarily ridiculous.

Like I said, you're the nicest dude ever.

Use my avatar as your avatar.

 

[Axel]

Yo OS you should get at that Alien Brain Teaser.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

My previous post was rude and a poor presentation of snide commentary on my part. I apologize. For an argument about queues to involve character defamations just struck me as being unnecessarily ridiculous.

it was funny and i don't think it had any bad intentions behind it at all

don't worry about it

 

[Dooms]

Then convince me that this isn't the case. You've not even touched on that. All you've done is try and convince me that my argument shouldn't be implemented, not that it wouldn't work, which is all that I'm defending.

No. You know why I can't? Because I don't talk to everyone in this forum. I know you don't either. I'm not stating that anything should be changed. You are. Why should I go search for information that I know isn't out there when you're presenting information that I know isn't true and isn't out there?

Also, since it wasn't obvious, I'm not saying that it wouldn't work. I'm saying that it shouldn't be happening because those players that you're suggesting get removed due to the reset of the signups should be able to play in the game they signed up for. They shouldn't be removed just because a few players that aren't even in the game think that the player list is garbage.

No, you've just been the one putting words in my mouth.

You brought up not playing in games because of the player list. The only player I can recall even mentioning it in this forum is Washed Laundry. You're also the one that brought the suggestion up and said that the trick to getting the queue to move was to restart signups, even though those people did absolutely nothing wrong. Once again, correct me if I'm wrong

It's a solution to a problem that others have brought up. I'm helpful. ~:>

It's a ****ing disrespectful one and you know it. I can't comprehend why you wanted to bring something so elitist and stupid up in the first place.

You're reaching for a way to make me stop without letting it drop. I can make an assumption based on what I've heard and my own opinions.

This isn't mafia you ****ing ****head. Are you really going to say that I'm reaching when I'm just trying to get it through to you that you should be respectful to people trying to play a ****ing game?

Disrespectful? Maybe if you have paper thin skin. Stupid and bad? The first is wrong and the second is an opinion.

The way you handle someone being disrespectful (or the type of skin you bear, to compare to what you stated) doesn't change how disrespectful it is. Wanting to remove players out of the game because they're bad is disrespectful. That's the bottom line. The fact that you're even trying to suggest that it's not stupid is... >_>

Bad is an opinion, you're right.

It's established a precedent for putting speed of the queue over player's, how did you put it? Rights. And that's why it's relevant.

No. It's not relevant. Mayling family hated you. That's a majority of the player list. There are also a lot of other factors that could play into that situation. Maybe the mod wanted that group of people to play his/her specific game. Regardless, it's completely different to remove someone that a group of people hates than it is to remove a group of people because others think they're bad, resulting in a "terribad" player list.

You dodged the point of the comparison completely. Who's at fault doesn't really matter at all.

Seriously, what did you even do with that paragraph? My point stands, the comparison is fine, you simply pointed out that "Oh my God, they're different things." Thanks Sherlock.

Welp.

Let me spell it out for you like I'm a first grade teacher teaching his students how to count.

College is something that changes you forever.

Mafia is a game for fun.

College requires that you have decent grades at least, decent scores on standardized tests, and an essay/other stuff in some cases to get in.

Mafia requires you to not be ******** to join in a game.

Going to a different college because of it being bad due to the people they let in is acceptable, because college can actually effect your future, and if you go to a bad college, your life could easily be ****ed.

Saying that a group of people should be removed from a game because they're bad and make a terrible player list is not acceptable because those people did nothing wrong and have every right to stay in the game they signed up for after being let in. They didn't cause any hatred towards a group of people. They're just not at the average skill according to certain players.

Careful or you'll hurt my feelings with these personal attacks. ~:>

You're not giving a valid case as to why. There's the issue.

You're kidding, right?

They joined in first. There are 8 of them. Just because they all signed up for the same game doesn't mean they should be removed. It's really that simple, and you trying to make it seem like it's more than just disrespectful and stupid is mind-boggling.

Why? That is an absolute statement that you're telling me to take as true with absolutely no reason. Would you believe me if I said "That cop guilty doesn't matter for **** in this case. I was the first to claim I was town, therefore I should be accepted as town. It's really that simple." You wouldn't. You're the one pushing that the proposed solution is bad, stop being so touchy and explain why.

People matter more than time.

I really can't believe that I have to say more than this.

You can't harm time's feelings. You can't make time quit. Time will stay no matter what. Time doesn't give a **** about anything.

Are you really trying to say that time is more important than any person? A person that is trying to have fun with a game just like you and anyone else is?

Why should time matter more than players? The game is going to happen regardless. A new one will come up in the queue regardless. People will join that one regardless. Nothing changes in the end. It just pisses off 8 people that did nothing wrong at all for the pleasure of 3-4 others that thought a player list was bad.

Timing. Pure and simple. It's the same reason they all showed up in the first place. Nope, you don't make it a secret, but neither do you go out of your way to warn everyone and their grandmother.

If everyone is notified that they were removed like they should be, then timing wouldn't matter.

If you don't go out of your way to PM people, telling them they were removed from a game as soon as it happens, then you're a douche bag and you have no morals whatsoever. Case and point.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Restarting thbe quere only happened once before because death notw had mutplile players who knew the set-up even outside the BBR, myself included, so a 20 man game was hard to fill even with the timing of it to be considered.

That and LotR mafia, which was restarted due to nitch not responding to his ga,e filling up rather than anything else.

Those are the only two reasons i recall games getting dropped.

Still support the S2 apporach, but i hate how people around here handle the situation game wise from none mod players.

Deitz, i don't approve of that blacklist. I only due it if a person proves they will break a game and make it unenjoyable for others. Ryker doesn't fit the bill for this.

Example: Gheb posting his role PM is blacklist worthy, so is Werekill trying to PM people outside of the game.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

also thx for not calling me bad Joey, your won't 2 stock me with jiggs again though

 

[Dooms]

You're right. Next time it'll be a 3 stock!

<3

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

No. You know why I can't? Because I don't talk to everyone in this forum. I know you don't either. I'm not stating that anything should be changed. You are. Why should I go search for information that I know isn't out there when you're presenting information that I know isn't true and isn't out there?

Also, since it wasn't obvious, I'm not saying that it wouldn't work. I'm saying that it shouldn't be happening because those players that you're suggesting get removed due to the reset of the signups should be able to play in the game they signed up for. They shouldn't be removed just because a few players that aren't even in the game think that the player list is garbage.



You brought up not playing in games because of the player list. The only player I can recall even mentioning it in this forum is Washed Laundry. You're also the one that brought the suggestion up and said that the trick to getting the queue to move was to restart signups, even though those people did absolutely nothing wrong. Once again, correct me if I'm wrong



It's a ****ing disrespectful one and you know it. I can't comprehend why you wanted to bring something so elitist and stupid up in the first place.



This isn't mafia you ****ing ****head. Are you really going to say that I'm reaching when I'm just trying to get it through to you that you should be respectful to people trying to play a ****ing game?



The way you handle someone being disrespectful (or the type of skin you bear, to compare to what you stated) doesn't change how disrespectful it is. Wanting to remove players out of the game because they're bad is disrespectful. That's the bottom line. The fact that you're even trying to suggest that it's not stupid is... >_>

Bad is an opinion, you're right.



No. It's not relevant. Mayling family hated you. That's a majority of the player list. There are also a lot of other factors that could play into that situation. Maybe the mod wanted that group of people to play his/her specific game. Regardless, it's completely different to remove someone that a group of people hates than it is to remove a group of people because others think they're bad, resulting in a "terribad" player list.



Welp.

Let me spell it out for you like I'm a first grade teacher teaching his students how to count.

College is something that changes you forever.

Mafia is a game for fun.

College requires that you have decent grades at least, decent scores on standardized tests, and an essay/other stuff in some cases to get in.

Mafia requires you to not be ******** to join in a game.

Going to a different college because of it being bad due to the people they let in is acceptable, because college can actually effect your future, and if you go to a bad college, your life could easily be ****ed.

Saying that a group of people should be removed from a game because they're bad and make a terrible player list is not acceptable because those people did nothing wrong and have every right to stay in the game they signed up for after being let in. They didn't cause any hatred towards a group of people. They're just not at the average skill according to certain players.



You're kidding, right?

They joined in first. There are 8 of them. Just because they all signed up for the same game doesn't mean they should be removed. It's really that simple, and you trying to make it seem like it's more than just disrespectful and stupid is mind-boggling.



People matter more than time.

I really can't believe that I have to say more than this.

You can't harm time's feelings. You can't make time quit. Time will stay no matter what. Time doesn't give a **** about anything.

Are you really trying to say that time is more important than any person? A person that is trying to have fun with a game just like you and anyone else is?

Why should time matter more than players? The game is going to happen regardless. A new one will come up in the queue regardless. People will join that one regardless. Nothing changes in the end. It just pisses off 8 people that did nothing wrong at all for the pleasure of 3-4 others that thought a player list was bad.



If everyone is notified that they were removed like they should be, then timing wouldn't matter.

If you don't go out of your way to PM people, telling them they were removed from a game as soon as it happens, then you're a douche bag and you have no morals whatsoever. Case and point.

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Too+long+didn+t+read.+I+loved+this+gif.+Had+to_e13f5c_3339187.gif

You're too noble to talk about morals with an obviously tilted point of view.

 

[Dooms]

Tilted?

Sure. Lets go with that.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Tilted?

Sure. Lets go with that.

You're just convinced that you're corrected and are looking to prove it rather than looking at what I'm saying. You've decided the conclusion without actually considering the ramifications of the proposed course.

Ironically, none of these toes you were worried about would've been stepped on if you hadn't continued this.

 

[Dooms]

You're just convinced that you're corrected and are looking to prove it rather than looking at what I'm saying. You've decided the conclusion without actually considering the ramifications of the proposed course.

Ironically, none of these toes you were worried about would've been stepped on if you hadn't continued this.

Lol.

Wow.

You're still treating this like it's a mafia game and that you can change my opinion on something that's rude to players, players that got to the signups first, with mafia logic and things that don't include how a human feels and their emotions, which were the main pushes behind me arguing in the first place.

I'm done. This is really stupid considering that we obviously have completely different views on a person and their emotions.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ryker I know that some players can agrivated you, we share a few of the same in that reguard. But at the same time, i wanna let them play and walk ti off and hope they get better if they are the reason we lose rather than me or you or anyone else in that game.

Maybe the fact me dislike anything is hard as is for me, it is if anyone asked me at vengance or anything on thw forums, but still i don't like bot joining because of the list. Even Brawl which i take seriously, i still make enjoying it my first priorty. Sucks i got 2 sticked by jiggs, but I still laughed it off and enjoyed it, even more so it was Joey who did ir. Because that matters more to me.
, making fun and enjoying it.

Maybe for you the list looks bad and i get it, i went up to Eau Clare in wisconsin for brawl and team with a terrible terrible toon link, worst experiance in teams i ever had. I had 3 stocks almost every time he lost his 3rd, not disrespect as a person to him.

I just wanna say as much as you are legit better agt mafia as most if not all people here stagnating for everyone due to bad list is terrible, while on one hand i get how it can re move enjoyablility for ya, but at the same time how does it feel when you openly admit we are so bad you refuse to join becauseb of how you feel about these players even worse if we are booted because we are bad and not given a chance to improve? Tell me this at least.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

You're not even reading what I'm talking about, lol. You're just responding to Joey's scare story.

Joey on the other hand, lacks the ability to look at things objectively.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Joey i get you where youare coming from but at the same time where Ryker is coming from.

I told you on Skype about my salt over Gigabots, i hated how we got lynched before we even said a single ****ing word, bad town was bad. Ryker hates when people of either faction play bat **** ********.

I don't agree with his methid he suggests but i see where he is coming from.

damn I'm too drunk to be pmkaying phiolshopy stuff like this. But still i don't agree because even with bad players i want them to enjoy playing mafia but i see where Ryker is coming from because as much as i want them to play there are time where i get mad over it like Brawl and Melee.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I will talk about it, if you still want to, when you're sober. For now, I'm going to sleep.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ryker i get you standpoint anf even have gotten mad over it but ib don't agree with tyhe method solution is all.

 

[Dooms]

Joey i get you where youare coming from but at the same time where Ryker is coming from.

I told you on Skype about my salt over Gigabots, i hated how we got lynched before we even said a single ****ing word, bad town was bad. Ryker hates when people of either faction play bat **** ********.

I don't agree with his methid he suggests but i see where he is coming from.

damn I'm too drunk to be pmkaying phiolshopy stuff like this. But still i don't agree because even with bad players i want them to enjoy playing mafia but i see where Ryker is coming from because as much as i want them to play there are time where i get mad over it like Brawl and Melee.

I'm not disagreeing with the fact that some of the players on that list can be considered bad. I don't disagree with fact that they can be obnoxious to play with or difficult to read because of their understanding of the game. I do, however, disagree with taking away their rights to play in any game they signed up for due to other players saying that it's a terrible play list.

Skill shouldn't determine whether a person should be able to play in a game or not. Even if multiple people are at a lower skill level in the same game.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

If the game doesn't start, then no one gets to play it, regardless of skill.

And there he is on the soapbox again. I thought we'd done away with rights.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Good night for real.

 

[Vinylic.]

So if I joined your mafia, you wouldn't be alright with it?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Sleep well and such, I'm at ACEN drinking and then going to a rave, opps forum rules, but yeah i wanna talk about it because i wanna find a solution as good for everyone as possible, so back to the bars for me.

Also Joey thx for putting for point across.

So i watched Madoka Majika for the first time drunk i watched a yellow haired loli get eateb by a chocolate monster wtf. Then the serious girl beat it before peiple cried over the death of yellow haired girl. This anime is lol.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

My mafia game is a completely different story as I am known for being selective with sign-ups and I'll do what I want with it which is my, right as host.

This time, I'm closing the browser.

 

[Dooms]

If the game doesn't start, then no one gets to play it, regardless of skill.

And there he is on the soapbox again. I thought we'd done away with rights.

The game will start regardless of how long it takes.

You're acting like I'm wrong when I'm not.

Edit: only referring to the post you're referring to in the quote of course. Not any of the walls.

 

[Vinylic.]

Makes sense to black list people, only to let good players in.

But in general, that just makes you look rude, possibly leading to people becoming less interested towards mafia.

End of story.

 

[Overswarm]

I don't know what people are complaining about. If it isn't against the rules, there is no reason for someone not to do it. This applies to just about everything. Saying "Ryker shouldn't do X because Y" is pointless to say if Y is perfectly legal to do and not against the rules in any way.

If it is against the rules, go through the mods.

If it isn't and you really feel it should be against the rules, explain to the mods why you think it should and publicly post about why you think it should. But it ain't Ryker, it's the situation that you're looking to change.


And Joey, life IS a mafia game.

 

[Overswarm]

Yo OS you should get at that Alien Brain Teaser.

WTF is this

 

[Vinylic.]

And Joey, life IS a mafia game.

What does this even mean?

Really, what?

 

[Dooms]

I don't know what people are complaining about. If it isn't against the rules, there is no reason for someone not to do it. This applies to just about everything. Saying "Ryker shouldn't do X because Y" is pointless to say if Y is perfectly legal to do and not against the rules in any way.

If it is against the rules, go through the mods.

If it isn't and you really feel it should be against the rules, explain to the mods why you think it should and publicly post about why you think it should. But it ain't Ryker, it's the situation that you're looking to change.


And Joey, life IS a mafia game.

What?

Are you saying that "Removing bad players from the queue isn't against the rules of the queue therefore it's perfectly okay" or are you talking about Ryker's modding choices?

Also, life isn't a mafia game. That is, unless you view people as things that are only there for you to control or manipulate in order to reach a certain goal in your life. If that's the way you view life, then -shrug-.

 

[vanderzant]

I really like the Sold approach to privates and support him in that privates should have tighter restrictions. A mod wanting a particular playerlist for his game is a legit reason for a private. ******* mechanics or incredibly unconventional mechanics can also warrant a private obviously. But making a set up with a new or weird mechanic and then running it as a private because you want to see how it plays out is NOT a good reason to bypass the queue. If your game has the potential to be "ruined" by newer players who don't have experience, that's your fault for either not giving good enough instructions, or the mechanics are ****ty in the first place and should be implemented better. Games like BIM are the exception.

On to my next point, having one person (or even none at all) wanting to play your game and literally opening the sign ups to ANYONE is queue jumping for sake of not wanting to wait in line, and is flat out disrespectful to every other mod. I've (politely) declined invitation to the last couple of privates I was invited to, but none of them were being run because they had ******* mechanics. It was just the mods not wanting to wait in line. Now I don't consider myself best friends with everyone here, don't get me wrong I like everyone here and think the community is awesome and I would like to be great mates with everyone here and get to know everyone better, but there are probably only a handful of people I socialise with outside this thread. So when a guy like me is being invited to a private game, its literally because the mod is just trying to fill their game with anyone they can. I mean, not to sound like a jerk but if you're asking just about everyone in DGames to join, you're not hand picking a roster, you're just creating an additional sign up process that is in competition with the queue, slows down sign ups and overall probably decreases the quality of the games. Look at the two ongoing games, ryker and celebrity, both have had a hard time finding replacements. Would it still be a problem if there weren't so many privates that people had been committed to? I'm gonna say yeah, and mods trying to start private games when ongoing games need replacements is a bit of a **** you to those players.

So yeah, I choose to take the Swiss approach of not joining private games. That's not to say I won't in the future if a game interests me enough, nor that I won't host one in the future if I think I have a legit reason to. But mods should show a bit more courtesy towards others such as your friends who want to host games of mafia. Remember we're all friends here. Don't take this post as me being up and arms about private games or anything. My care level is significantly smaller than the size of this post. Also /phone post so my grammar is likely awful.

 

[Axel]

They'd still be looking for replacements, yes. I really don't think the privates have any effect on the other games. And there really hasn't been any proof that there is so. It's an easy assumption to make, yes, but looking at the sign-up activity when private games are not being ran as compared to when they are, it doesn't seem to be the case. Haven't read any of the other posts nor do I care to. Just replying to Vandy above. Sold has it covered. Simply be more strict with the accepted privates. That's all there is to it. No idea why people are arguing about it or taking anything Ryker says as serious.

@OS: few pages back.