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[Handorin]

I'm cool with most of the people on that list, though I'm kinda super surprised at the lack of Mew2King. Some of the choices are... questionable. Kinda feels like they went "hey, we need more girls on this list." Crismas I sort of get, but PeachyHime? I barely know who she is aside from being "that girl who is always giggling in the background of every tournament stream where Rolex is in attendance." Like, couldn't they get Milktea or something? She was in the smash doc at least, tons of people know who that is.

milktea is lillian chen. The only two I didn't know were PeachyHime and TheRapture.

 

[Xivii]

pretty sus of anyone who isn't tbh

Honestly sometimes I can't tell if it's you or gorf that's doing the trolling.

 

[BarDulL]

I'm cool with most of the people on that list, though I'm kinda super surprised at the lack of Mew2King. Some of the choices are... questionable. Kinda feels like they went "hey, we need more girls on this list." Crismas I sort of get, but PeachyHime? I barely know who she is aside from being "that girl who is always giggling in the background of every tournament stream where Rolex is in attendance." Like, couldn't they get Milktea or something? She was in the smash doc at least, tons of people know who that is.

player roster selection was meant to appeal to several demographics, but i'm still ok with it because the competitive community is going to get an exponential amount of attention as a result. this pretty much could very well solidify smash as a mainstream e-sport so long as smash 4 isn't terrible.

milktea is in the roster alongside tai's girlfriend neha, then there's peachyhime and crismas. it's to appeal to the female gaming demographic

m2k/mango were most likely not included for a handful of reasons i can think of, mostly them not falling in line with much needed professionalism

@ Handorin rapture is a commentator for PM.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

wow, looks like i skimmed hard, milktea is literally the first one listed.

Rapture is a Brawl player, but he's really more of a commentator. PeachyHime is a PM Peach player, but I've never seen her actually play. I saw her commentate once, alongside her boyfriend Rolex (a really good PM Snake main), which is the only reason I have any idea who she is. She mostly just giggled a lot instead of really commentating, and ever since then I can hear her giggling in the background any time I see Rolex playing. This is why I question her inclusion. I've never seen Crismas play either, but I hear that name a lot, and I assume she's pretty well known.

Really seems like they just wanted more girls, instead of top players. I guess that's cool, just seems really obvious to me.

 

[Circus]

Honestly sometimes I can't tell if it's you or gorf that's doing the trolling.

Hence why I hate trolling and don't accept it as an excuse for bad behavior.

 

[ranmaru]

I think it makes sense not to see M2K or Mango. At this point they wouldn't want anyone who isn't as 'professional' I guess. Their image really.

mfw bardull already said what I said

damn it bardull, you double backstabber

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If Mango was there...yeah good luck talking about the stuff he's done on the past.

Happy for CTZero being there.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Yea it's not like intellect or merit or morality should be the dominating influence in society. If there's a white straight male with a voice, it's a problem.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

The point about Mango and M2K being... PR nightmares.. makes sense.

 

[BarDulL]

i can already see it now

>m2k wins tournament
>gets interviewed by commentators
>"so jason what do you think of this game?"
>"this game is gay. and the ruleset is gay. items on? so dumb omg. btw if anyone out there has a good fox controller please sell it to me. also follow me on twitch/twitter/facebook...."

with mango it'd be like

>mango gets bopped early on
>"man this game sux. everyone should play melee. i'm mango, i ****. jason sux. lel."
>"mango, why do you smell like alcohol?"
>"uh"

lel

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Lol @ them being PR nightmares for the exact OPPOSITE reasons

 

[Raziek]

My only gripe with the list is I would've liked to see more Brawl players represented.

Zero is basically the only one, and he plays everything now.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

it makes sense tho, Brawl's scene isn't as big or well known as Melee right now. Melee is the one blowing up in the competitive community, with MLG and EVO and all that. I haven't heard much out of the Brawl scene lately. I know they're still doing stuff, but they just aren't in the spotlight right now.

 

[Handorin]

My only gripe with the list is I would've liked to see more Brawl players represented.

Zero is basically the only one, and he plays everything now.

Zero was a Melee player though. He just came back to his roots.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

that controller porn at the end of the video is probably the best thing about smash 4

it seems like Nintendo chose primarily melee players and not brawl enthusiasts, i wonder if that was on purpose? (oh yall already talkin about this)

 

[Raziek]

Zero was a Melee player though. He just came back to his roots.

He's best known for Brawl.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

i can already see it now

>m2k wins tournament
>gets interviewed by commentators
>"so jason what do you think of this game?"
>"this game is gay. and the ruleset is gay. items on? so dumb omg. btw if anyone out there has a good fox controller please sell it to me. also follow me on twitch/twitter/facebook...."

with mango it'd be like

>mango gets bopped early on
>"man this game sux. everyone should play melee. i'm mango, i ****. jason sux. lel."
>"mango, why do you smell like alcohol?"
>"uh"

lel

Don't forget his girlfriend troubles.

Also yeah Zero is known fir brawl, that's like saying DEHF plays melee when he's known for brawl.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@Nabe what tech stack are you most comfortable with

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

[post making it clear that I'm sure you're kidding but this is literally one of the scariest things I've read in my life so it's not funny stop]

circus you must be really upset with society

pretty much every call centre out there is based on overwhelming you and getting you stuff that you will really only avoid by explicitly asking for them to not give it

if they really dont want it, they'll tell you and its cool
if theyre hesitating just go4it

 

[ranmaru]

if they really dont want it, they'll tell you and its cool
if theyre hesitating just go4it

Yeah they shouldn't be upset with you if they don't want it, that is if you don't do anything.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Yea if you go for it anyway you're called a rapist and you're ****ing insane. Believe it or not normal people don't advocate insanity. Hooking up is a universally awesome thing unless you're like pious or a virgin or something

 

[Circus]

circus you must be really upset with society

I mean, pretty much, yeah.

Again, suspicious of anyone who isn't, quite frankly.

pretty much every call centre out there is based on overwhelming you and getting you stuff that you will really only avoid by explicitly asking for them to not give it

if they really dont want it, they'll tell you and its cool
if theyre hesitating just go4it

I'm honestly a little lost with you bringing up call centers. Are you comparing propositioning a girl to being a telemarketer?

Regardless, just "going for it" = potentially forcing yourself on someone = bad

If a girl is hesitating, it might not be because she's too scared to make the first move and is waiting for you to do it. It might be because she's scared any kind of move is going to happen, and doesn't want it to, and won't know what to do if it does. Asking her how she feels and what she wants is pretty much always the better way to go.

Imagine if dudes thought you were some riddle to be solved, and just figured they needed "the confidence to push past your hesitation" in order to "seal the deal" with you. Even if they stopped after you shoved them off and told them no, that would still result in lots of dudes trying that on you whenever they felt like trying to "get" you. That's more work than you should have to do. You should be able to count on guys not just going for you.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Yea if you go for it anyway you're called a rapist and you're ****ing insane. Believe it or not normal people don't advocate insanity. Hooking up is a universally awesome thing unless you're like pious or a virgin or something

well i mean going for it when she says no makes you a gorf scumbag

 

[Circus]

Yea if you go for it anyway you're called a rapist and you're ****ing insane. Believe it or not normal people don't advocate insanity. Hooking up is a universally awesome thing unless you're like pious or a virgin or something

That much of society considers there to be a distinction between "waiting until you hear no" and "rapist" is exactly the problem.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Even if they stopped after you shoved them off and told them no, that would still result in lots of dudes trying that on you whenever they felt like trying to "get" you.

wow youre good at misconstruing whatever i say <:

 

[Circus]

Please enlighten me if I've misinterpreted you.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

its ok circus youve never had to court women before after all

 

[ranmaru]

If a girl is hesitating, it might not be because she's too scared to make the first move and is waiting for you to do it. It might be because she's scared any kind of move is going to happen, and doesn't want it to, and won't know what to do if it does. Asking her how she feels and what she wants is pretty much always the better way to go.

I think you have it wrong, Circus. I think it isn't just men that shouldn't actually force themselves, but women should be ok with a man who actually does ask. Women act subtle, and try to drop hints, and make things extra complicated.

Listen. This girl keeps inviting me to places, while I have told her 'yes i like you' but I have not made any moves because I'm playing it safe. Yet she doesn't like that. To be fair she did tell me she likes a man that is aggressive beforehand, but I shouldn't be penalized if I play it safe or even ask her about kissing, which I did and she went into a fit about that.

Like seriously. What other option do I have left. I'm just thinking about getting the foot in the door, though. Not anything past that I still gotta work on that. (Consider I did kiss her too so it's lol)

****s hard man

I mean things aren't going well if a group of girls say "I like a man with swag" and another says "I just think that's boring and dull" *shrug*

 

[Circus]

I think you have it wrong, Circus. I think it isn't just men that shouldn't actually force themselves, but women should be ok with a man who actually does ask. Women act subtle, and try to drop hints, and make things extra complicated.

Listen. This girl keeps inviting me to places, while I have told her 'yes i like you' but I have not made any moves because I'm playing it safe. Yet she doesn't like that. To be fair she did tell me she likes a man that is aggressive beforehand, but I shouldn't be penalized if I play it safe or even ask her about kissing, which I did and she went into a fit about that.

Like seriously. What other option do I have left. I'm just thinking about getting the foot in the door, though. Not anything past that I still gotta work on that.

****s hard man

I mean things aren't going well if a group of girls say "I like a man with swag" and another says "I just think that's boring and dull" *shrug*

I mean, I'm not going to pretend to understand the details of your situation. You know this girl better than I do, and I'm speaking generally here, not for 3.5 billion individual personalities. But if you feel comfortable playing it safe, and she's not interested, I would venture to guess you guys aren't that compatible anyway. You're trying to be respectful and she seems to be playing a game, to hear you tell it. Regardless, I would say that you taking things slow and having her be impatient is still much better than trying to go fast and having her not be ready. That you are showing that you are considering her feelings is a universally good thing.

My broader point is that women aren't all just waiting to be kissed, and men aren't just entitled to kiss them. So the concept of being "confident" enough to kiss someone when they seem too skittish to properly invite you in is a very scary sentiment to me.

its ok circus youve never had to court women before after all

True enough. Though I do probably have more experience in terms of being courted than you do, so I have some perspective on what's respectful behavior and what's entitled or selfish behavior.

 

[#HBC | J]

People are weird.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

It's true that there are lots of women who actually prefer that a man "just go for it". There's actually... lots of them. I mean, there's certainly girls who would prefer you ask, as well, but that aint everyone. Need all kinds to make the world go round.

There's a reason that people say **** like "relationships are complicated". There's no one solution to dating. The problem is that most people think they need to figure out how to adapt their behavior to get any girl they want, when really the secret is to find a girl* who legitimately likes the way you step to her.

*EDIT: or guy. Ya know, whatever the case may be.

 

[Circus]

Always count on J for the revelatory closer.

 

[Xivii]

Honestly, all men are savage brutes with an entitled sense to any woman that comes our way. Only through spending time on Tumblr will we be saved.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Circus you really enjoy bullying Xonar, don't you.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Circus is just fed up with our bull****. He's gonna change the world, one dgamer at a time.

 

[Circus]

Circus you really enjoy bullying Xonar, don't you.

I guess about as much as you enjoy needlessly defending him.

 

[Xivii]

Acro you should stic with that one!


Edit: Acro, stic with that one!

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I guess about as much as you enjoy needlessly defending him.

I think it's senseless. Especially since it's clear that you two only seem to be addressing the same issue, but in reality you're escalating his premise to make a greater commentary about social egalitarianism.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

My broader point is that women aren't all just waiting to be kissed, and men aren't just entitled to kiss them. So the concept of being "confident" enough to kiss someone when they seem too skittish to properly invite you in is a very scary sentiment to me.

ok well youre jumping to way too many conclusions here

People are weird.

and youre a killjoy

Honestly, all men are savage brutes with an entitled sense to any woman that comes our way. Only through spending time on Tumblr will we be saved.

ty

I think it's senseless. Especially since it's clear that you two only seem to be addressing the same issue, but in reality you're escalating his premise to make a greater commentary about social egalitarianism.

ty

 

[ranmaru]

But if you feel comfortable playing it safe, and she's not interested, I would venture to guess you guys aren't that compatible anyway.

You are right about this one. I was just reconsidering because my man downstairs wouldn't mind me trying.

My broader point is that women aren't all just waiting to be kissed, and men aren't just entitled to kiss them. So the concept of being "confident" enough to kiss someone when they seem too skittish to properly invite you in is a very scary sentiment to me.

Yeah but we won't know if she wants to be kissed until we try. Then I over-think and say "****, is asking her to hang out the wrong move, cuz it ain't workin'" or we sposed to just tell them directly that we should go on a date instead, so that it's still direct?