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[Circus]

 

[Kantrip]

well i mean like

if you were gonna murder that guy

at least you shot him, quick and easy

you couldve tortured him for days and made his death agonizing

so good on ya mate

 

[Circus]

an extreme comparison, but thank you for putting into words why pseudo-silver lining points of view aren't always best.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

dude, she was already in a skin tight body suit, was it really the heels that broke the camel's back? She has a Power Suit, with Missle Launchers and Laser Beams and Bombs and ****. It's already impractical that she's not using that thing in the first place.

 

[Ashemu]

i thought ssb4 zamus was still better than ssbbs just bc theyre not shoving her boobs and butt in ur face every 5 seconds in teh trailer lol.

Obvious Sockpuppet Account Opinions ^_^

 

[Kantrip]

dude, she was already in a skin tight body suit, was it really the heels that broke the camel's back? She has a Power Suit, with Missle Launchers and Laser Beams and Bombs and ****. It's already impractical that she's not using that thing in the first place.

good point

she was asking for it

 

[#HBC | Joker]

good point

she was asking for it

asking to be put in high heels?

Yes, yes she was.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

why can't a girl just be pretty and have a good figure to boot? is it really all that offensive? yes yes i know they're sexualizing her but that's what sells these days and it's not like samus' character is affected because of this, she's still the prestigious bounty hunter everyone knows, and im sure she'll kick ass in her heels too and people will forget about this once the actual game comes out imo

 

[Circus]

dude, she was already in a skin tight body suit, was it really the heels that broke the camel's back? She has a Power Suit, with Missle Launchers and Laser Beams and Bombs and ****. It's already impractical that she's not using that thing in the first place.

Yes, I agree! I thought stripping her down to a skintight bodysuit was really exploitative too. She's not supposed to fight like that, as evidenced by the fact that they had to invent a weapon for her to use so she wouldn't be completely defenseless. What is difficult to understand about the fact that just because it was already bad doesn't mean I'm okay with it getting worse? Why is your response to things that you agree to be clearly exploitative and problematic a shrug?

Like I said, in the grand sceme of things, Samus wearing heels is a very small drop in the bucket. This didn't break the camel's back. That back's been broken for a while, and this is just one more small thing that's being piled on. Why is it so hard to just let female characters be characters first and females second? Why must even women who fight aliens in suits of armor eventually strip down to a bodysuit and heels for our entertainment? It's silly.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yes, I agree! I thought stripping her down to a skintight bodysuit was really exploitative too. She's not supposed to fight like that, as evidenced by the fact that they had to invent a weapon for her to use so she wouldn't be completely defenseless. What is difficult to understand about the fact that just because it was already bad doesn't mean I'm okay with it getting worse? Why is your response to things that you agree to be clearly exploitative and problematic a shrug?

Like I said, in the grand sceme of things, Samus wearing heels is a very small drop in the bucket. This didn't break the camel's back. That back's been broken for a while, and this is just one more small thing that's being piled on. Why is it so hard to just let female characters be characters first and females second? Why must even women who fight aliens in suits of armor eventually strip down to a bodysuit and heels for our entertainment? It's silly.

because that's what sells

im sorry jerkus but it's just the truth, it's why seemingly average models aren't portrayed in makeup commercials, or hollywood

i don't really care either way, i get your argument, and i'm not seeing here drooling over her character model, i think it's a bit too much but im not going to boycott the game let alone complain about it, as i feel it really won't change anything

there will always be over-sexualization and exploitation as long as it sells

 

[Ashemu]

quote this post if u thin ksakurai should make geno a girl in ssb4

(i agree w/ circus but am not sure what hes trying to prove, "people should demand better" maybe but it's not like anybody can go to nintendo and make them not make stupid decisions about samus, but yea my avatar is a rhythm game character in a bikini so w/e)

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Yes, I agree! I thought stripping her down to a skintight bodysuit was really exploitative too. She's not supposed to fight like that, as evidenced by the fact that they had to invent a weapon for her to use so she wouldn't be completely defenseless. What is difficult to understand about the fact that just because it was already bad doesn't mean I'm okay with it getting worse? Why is your response to things that you agree to be clearly exploitative and problematic a shrug?

Like I said, in the grand sceme of things, Samus wearing heels is a very small drop in the bucket. This didn't break the camel's back. That back's been broken for a while, and this is just one more small thing that's being piled on. Why is it so hard to just let female characters be characters first and females second? Why must even women who fight aliens in suits of armor eventually strip down to a bodysuit and heels for our entertainment? It's silly.

Because talking about it here isn't gonna make everyone on earth instantly go "You're right, that's sexist, and we no longer want ZSS in the game!" In fact, I don't want her out of the game, because I think she's a neat character from the perspective of a player who likes what she offers to the game. She's a cool fighter, who happens to be dressed like a prostitute.

The only people here who would give a ****, and applaud, is people who already agree like you. Arguing on the internet about sexism in video games? Believe it or not, it's a giant waste of time. Are you new to the internet or something? You can't change people's minds about stuff like this. It just boils down to "arguing on the internet".

 

[Circus]

because that's what sells

im sorry jerkus but it's just the truth, it's why seemingly average models aren't portrayed in makeup commercials, or hollywood

i don't really care either way, i get your argument, and i'm not seeing here drooling over her character model, i think it's a bit too much but im not going to boycott the game let alone complain about it, as i feel it really won't change anything

there will always be over-sexualization and exploitation as long as it sells

Again, I don't accept the argument that "that's just the way it is." It wouldn't be that way if everyone didn't have that ****ty attitude. You either buy into the idea that (straight) men are a bunch of drooling apes who need to see ******* bouncing in their faces to be interested in something, or you realize that people are altogether pretty reasonable and women are only being objectified for the worst among us, and we wouldn't have this problem if people didn't just constantly let **** like this slide off their backs because it doesn't effect them directly.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

@Xonar@ #HBC | Acrostic
Holy cow, did not know that. Big numbers. So Nintendo is safer then they seem?

Spoiler

I don't like Xonar's article because it touches the surface on the current valuation that Nintendo has with respect to assets. Much like you would consider NTDOY stock to be an asset, you would similarly consider premises, equipment, and investments to be assets that have highly fluctuating value depending on how the market is doing for the products invested. For instance, NTDOY could figuratively have all their money invested in something like gold which crashed in value last year in April and has seen some recovery as of this year with the conflict between the United States and Russia. Gold's pricing is incredibly bullish much like a majority of assets you could invest in meaning that the amount you initially invest is not reflective of the amount you can usually pull out when it comes time to cashing in on an investment. A reflection of a business's resilience is how much liquid capital it has stored. And that information is the most hidden precisely because it's not kept in first world countries. It's usually send to tax havens like Bermuda or the Cook Islands i.e. Apple and Google.

What is known though is that Nintendo had enough liquid capital in order to buy back $1.1 billion of its own stock. This is a good move from the company looking at its static to negative stock growth. Especially when the company is getting pressure from its shareholders that its not doing enough to increase its own stock revenue.

The only argument I have is that what could Nintendo possibly do at this junction? It sells a game console and exclusive video games that are incredibly popular. When majority shareholders and big investors try to influence Nintendo to bring in revenue when it has been tapping out, the consumer gets bloatware, microtransactions, and watered down game releases of Mario, Zelda, and Metroid. There's another thing that investors and shareholders don't understand, which is the fact that gamers aren't a demographic that can be tapped into with market trend data and superficial age demographic research which would push game developers and makers to create a branch of games that will sell on brand alone like iCarly, Barbie, Shrek, and Spiderman which are all game titles produced under Activision.

I think that Nintendo is a company that still puts a high value on innovation whereas Sony and Microsoft have given up on reaching a prospective demographic that wants to experiment with new methods of gameplay and hits on the senseless bro gamers, RPG junkies, and the first person shooter generation that look forward to enhanced graphics and crisper visuals with the same goods being repackaged in the same wrapper with a different name. Nintendo has relied on HD remakes on the 3DS to encourage sales, however haven't been as shameless to put the same game in a different wrapper and call it a sequel. Iwata may potentially be the last president who is able to distinguish Nintendo from their competitors.

It does beg to question where profit modeling is leading our games as release titles like Bravely Default on the 3DS have unwelcome connotations to the future of gaming with game publishers like Square Enix adding in microtransactions to milk in more profit based on comments from Asano letting consumers know that there will also be microtransactions in the sequel. Note that the game was developed by Silicon Studio along with Square Enix, however considering the reaction of Square Enix to the popularity of the sales of the game it is more likely that Silicon Studio had a greater influence in the creation of the game than S.E. would like to admit.

Commentary from S.E. president Yosuke Matsuda to PR let them know that Square Enix is 'recommitting' to 'heavy JRPGS' after the success of B. Default. This leaves a heavy question to what an RPG company like Square Enix was focusing on in the first place with President Matsuda explaining that the company had a focus on a more 'global' appeal. This translates that there may be releases of games with the same story telling that we enjoyed back in the mid 90's i.e. Chrono Trigger albeit with a microtransaction component tied to it for the possibility of the publisher receiving more money from the same demographic rather than trying to appeal to a wider demographic buying their game at initial price.

Back to topic, I'd say that Nintendo with the February buy back has a buffer to short sellers and other antagonistic investors who would gain from a Nintendo collapse. As for Nintendo remaining the video game company that gained profit from selling innovative games to us as children, that might be an issue that will come under conflict in the following decade as competitors capitalize on early access, dlc content, and pre-releases gaining profits without actually delivering to consumers a fully completed product.

To give a historical counter balance to the current fear over the poor profits from the sales of the Wii U remember that the Playstation 3 not only had poor sales on release date, however Sony claimed that each unit sold resulted in a loss since they were retailing the devices at a cheaper price than it cost them to manufacture. All media outlets were pointing out that Sony was losing out big time and the company was bankrupting itself by producing the devices. However, despite that stock figures were notably higher than they are currently. In fact the only company not losing out in terms of reported stock would be Microsoft. Notably their stock figures are harder to discern because the company features a variety of hardware outside of gaming that doesn't exclusively focus on their gaming consoles.

Market wise though Sony and Nintendo have the best situation against market competitors like Microsoft. Under Prime Minister Abe and his wave of economic reforms, these companies are able to place their products in our markets at a cheaper price thanks to devaluation of the yen. Nintendo should be benefiting from investment choices and market forces at the current moment. A flop for them is unlikely at this point in time.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Again, I don't accept the argument that "that's just the way it is." It wouldn't be that way if everyone didn't have that ****ty attitude. You either buy into the idea that (straight) men are a bunch of drooling apes who need to see ******s bouncing in their faces to be interested in something, or you realize that people are altogether pretty reasonable and women are only being objectified for the worst among us, and we wouldn't have this problem if people didn't just constantly let **** like this slide off their backs because it doesn't effect them directly.

yes, but the media wants the apes, if they can sell something with a bunch of bouncing lards of fat, then they'll do it. i'm with you jerkus, trust me, but there's nothing much i can do. i'm but an aimless 19 year old teenager with a working internet connection and no ties to the media whatsoever.

 

[Circus]

quote this post if u thin ksakurai should make geno a girl in ssb4

(i agree w/ circus but am not sure what hes trying to prove, "people should demand better" maybe but it's not like anybody can go to nintendo and make them not make stupid decisions about samus, but yea my avatar is a rhythm game character in a bikini so w/e)

Because talking directly to "people who matter" isn't the only way to make your voice heard. Cultivating a community with a different point of view can make a big difference. "Little things" like this add to the greater whole. When people don't say anything it creates the illusion that there is no problem. That's how marginalized groups get marginalized. They get hurt by a majority, and the majority may not even realize they've done anything wrong, but no one speaks up for fear that it just won't do anything, or will make things worse in the short term. So nothing changes.

I don't think my stupid posts on a forum on the internet are going to end sexism and misogyny all by themselves, but they don't have to. You eat a bear a bite at a time.

 

[Gova]

Did no one stop and consider that maybe Samus just likes wearing heels?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@ Circus

please send me your copy of Fire Emblem Awakening or perhaps 40 dollars paypal, it's so good and i've only played the demo

along with bravely default, did i mention I got my 3ds today?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Did no one stop and consider that maybe Samus just likes wearing heels?

Samus's opinion is meaningless.

 

[Ashemu]

shes a video game character, she cant "like" anything, im sorry but youre waifu is not a real person.

i mean if it was a preestablished character trait maybe but afaik it's not (i dont play metriod tho)

 

[Circus]

Interesting that three people all hit me with the "well there's nothing WE can do about it" line all at once.

The idea that "if it doesn't single-handedly fix the problem NOW then it's not worth doing" is tragic to me. And not something I often see coming from people who actually believe in a cause.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Samus' opinion is irrelevant because she is a fictional character with a set personality placed by his/her creator therefore when you contemplate what is best for a 'character' consider the fact that there is no character in reality and basically as ashemu said your waifu isn't real

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

yea, it's kind of unfortunate that Samus is basically a sex toy instead of a strong female role model, but what did you expect from Japan? It was an accident that she was ever perceived as strong and independent in the first place. Once Other M came along and gave her lines, and a backstory, we found out what the Japanese developers really had in mind. They made her a silent protagonist not because she's a strong silent type, but because women are supposed to be quiet. She's independent not because she's super capable and don't need no man, but because her man died, and isn't around to give her orders anymore. We all wanna pretend that **** doesn't exist, because it's terrible, but it does. Japan sucks dude, they just wanted to **** her. I mean, we wanted to **** her too, but at least we respected her. It's kind of a testament to how well the rest of the series was made when we could all look at the same thing, and think "Now that's a woman" for totally different reasons.

PJB, ladies and gentlemen.

I wasn't kidding when I said I think they're even bigger than Peach's.

yes

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Interesting that three people all hit me with the "well there's nothing WE can do about it" line all at once. The idea that "if it doesn't single-handedly fix the problem NOW then it's not worth doing" is tragic to me. And not something I often see coming from people who actually believe in a cause.

It's legal in Massachusetts to take up skirt photos. I will fight for Zamus's civil liberties another day.

 

[Gova]

I can't tell who is serious and who isn't.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i love you all

full homo

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

It's legal in Massachusetts to take up skirt photos. I will fight for Zamus's civil liberties another day.

Correction. It's legal in Massachusetts to take up skirt photos, unless that person is naked. Then it's illegal. Because when you're taking an up skirt photo of someone naked, you know that's just pure naughtiness.

 

[Ashemu]

all my posts are serious, esp teh one about geno being added to ssb4 as a girl

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

if we're on the topic of controversy the idea of 'no homo' if guys show affection to each other is so stupid like hugging your mate isn't gay and hey sometimes a guy has to be the little spoon once in awhile it's lonely at night

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Interesting that three people all hit me with the "well there's nothing WE can do about it" line all at once.

The idea that "if it doesn't single-handedly fix the problem NOW then it's not worth doing" is tragic to me. And not something I often see coming from people who actually believe in a cause.

Dude, I do not have to be an activist to be a feminist. I do my part by being a good person, that's good enough for me. I've got my own ****ing problems.

 

[Ashemu]

Interesting that three people all hit me with the "well there's nothing WE can do about it" line all at once.

The idea that "if it doesn't single-handedly fix the problem NOW then it's not worth doing" is tragic to me. And not something I often see coming from people who actually believe in a cause.

i was trying too understand where you were coming from with the "we should all demand X" thingf, sry if it seemed like i was trying to deject your opinion or whatever >_< cuz i wasnt

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

all my posts are serious, esp teh one about geno being added to ssb4 as a girl

i knew i loved this guy

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i knew i loved this kawaii anime girl

please nabe get it right

 

[Circus]

@ Circus

please send me your copy of Fire Emblem Awakening or perhaps 40 dollars paypal, it's so good and i've only played the demo

along with bravely default, did i mention I got my 3ds today?

don't try to change the subject just because I'm a sucker for RPG talk

Dude, I do not have to be an activist to be a feminist. I do my part by being a good person, that's good enough for me. I've got my own ****ing problems.

And that makes sense because you're on the right side of the current status quo. And that's fine. That doesn't make you a bad person. Not everyone has to be an activist. But the least you could do is not trivialize the point of view that you yourself apparently hold. You don't have to push the cart, but if you like the direction we're going, then you could at least pick up your feet.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i was just mooching because im desperate ;-;

 

[Circus]

i was trying too understand where you were coming from with the "we should all demand X" thingf, sry if it seemed like i was trying to deject your opinion or whatever >_< cuz i wasnt

mostly I just meant that if you think something's ****ty and should be not ****ty, say something. Even if it's to a forum of strangers. Just because we should all expect a certain kind of thing from the media based on history doesn't mean we shouldn't want and demand the future to be different.

 

[Circus]

i was just mooching because im desperate ;-;

Skip Bravely Default til it's bargain bin. Game is great but it turns into a slog by the end. Fire Emblem you should def pinch your pennies for.

 

[Circus]

touche, acro

 

[#HBC | Joker]

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_0_20?url=search-alias=videogames&field-keywords=fire emblem awakening&sprefix=fire emblem awakenin,aps,228

both games are under $30 used. I don't see the prices dropping much more than that for a long time. Could totally wait and see, though.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

touche, acro