Data Decisive Games Introduction Thread (make sure to check the new forum rules as well!)

[Xivii]

Only have 7 confirmed for Dark Souls, would need more D:

Just wait in the queue.

 

[Overswarm]

Just wait in the queue.

I was, then they changed the queue so now my two games in the queue became one game in the queue and was pushed back by several games.

So my options are "no more DGames" or "just run privates because the queue is unreliable", I'm currently pursuing the latter.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

There's no need to force him to wait for the current one to end, and then wait for another game to fill.

yes there is

new guy hey guys i play mafia offsite i really cant wait to play here

every1 else wow i really like this guy let him play!!!

new guy yo guys this game aint really aint for me /replace out /never seen again

every1 else GEE i wonder why that happened

how many times does this **** have to happen before ****** realize us allowing ******* to hop in anything they damn well please is ******** as ****? force ****** through the mini if they cant wait a week n a half or however long it is is whichll actually be SHORTER than a real game regardless then **** em

 

[Xivii]

You very much had time to make a say on whether it not we fused the queues. I even asked if there were any objections to the new order. You can still make an appeal to marshy if you feel you have been misplaced. I'm just saying you might want to give others a chance to run their games.

 

[Xivii]

@ #HBC | marshy he's good for it

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I'm fine with him staying in. Zen vouched for him so I trust him.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I'm for a general requirement of newcomers to the site to join a mini but yea it's cool for it to be the mods discretion. For as experienced as one may be... Well jakestan was experienced.

 

[Overswarm]

You very much had time to make a say on whether it not we fused the queues. I even asked if there were any objections to the new order. You can still make an appeal to marshy if you feel you have been misplaced. I'm just saying you might want to give others a chance to run their games.

I wasn't ask, I don't lurk the threads. I sign up for the queue, play any games I'm in, mod any games I'm running, and only come back to these threads to find people for privates or check my spot on the queue. -_-;;

Regardless, queue change was dumb. Doesn't really make sense to run a small game anymore.

 

[Xivii]

As I said, appeal to marshy if you feel you've been misplaced.

 

[ranmaru]

I'm for a general requirement of newcomers to the site to join a mini but yea it's cool for it to be the mods discretion. For as experienced as one may be... Well jakestan was experienced.

I so agree. Enough mr nice guy

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I wish the "let everyone join!" thing worked, cuz I'd hate to turn people off from wanting to join up, but it doesn't. If just any randybob is allowed to join, it'll just result in having lots of people who don't actually wanna dedicate the time to playing. If they really wanna play, for reals, they'll jump through a few hoops. It's not like we're making them eat garbage, we're saying "oh hey, you want to play? This is what you play. It's the same thing, but smaller."

Like, if a kid wants to try a flavor of ice cream, you don't give that ****** 3 scoops and hope he likes it, and ends up finishing it. You give him a small, to see if he likes it. I don't mean to imply everyone who pops their head in here is a child, but some of them are, and the adults understand why we want them to prove they are adults, because this is the internet.

 

[Gova]

edit, nvm

 

[Overswarm]

You guys are ridiculous.

Like 0% of you started in a "mini mafia" game because they didn't exist. It sucks when people leave games mid-game or don't put their all into it, but that's the majority of players on DGames that I've played with. Starting them in mini-mafia games won't really change anything because the same issues occur with normal DGamers XD

 

[Xatres]

Psh, I've never dropped out of a game ever.

>_>

<_<

>_>

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I agree with OS. It's not like the new guy is the only one susceptible to replacing out just because he's new. Furthermore mini mafia games are a different environment then regular games. "Passing the test" of completing a mini game is hardly telling when a regular game will almost inevitably have much more activity, be more complex, last a lot longer, and probably be closed (as opposed to an open set up).

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Well you guys are wrong and should feel bad for being wrong.

 

[Overswarm]

I've got an idea. To anyone that thinks that newbies should play in a mini-mafia game (unless, of course, someone vouches for them I guess?)...

How about forcing anyone who replaces out of any game ever to play in a mini-mafia game first?

That'll surely solve the problem and not reduce the playerbase to nothing.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

How about we actually focus on the problem at hand instead of treating those familiar to DGames as equals to those who feel like they wanna play, and all of a sudden decide not to? It's insulting to say that me replacing out of a game is the same as a totally new face replacing out of a game and never showing his face here again. You wanna play in DGames? Prove you're not a poison by playing a game that causes no harm if you take a **** on it. I don't think it's far off to say that most people who have tried forum mafia ever quit during their first game cuz they didn't feel like making the commitment. There's been plenty of those cases in DGames, not just jakestan.

 

[X WaNtEd X]

Uhhh I don't mind playing a mini mafia if that's really a rule here. I didn't realize it would be a problem.

As an experienced mafia player looking in from the outside, I must say you guys have a pretty confusing setup going. You seem to be playing games in the same threads as signups. Why?

I've seen him play before. /vouch

Have you? There's only one site I play mafia on and it's seriously obscure.

 

[ranmaru]

NO. Swords let you in. Play bro. Or else.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Uhhh I don't mind playing a mini mafia if that's really a rule here. I didn't realize it would be a problem.

It's not a rule, nor is it a problem. It just became a standardized procedure after a certain amount of inconvenient occurences with 'newbies' happened.

Edit: In the end it's a win-win situation. New people get a chance to get an impression of our community and whether they would like to stay or not whereas the hosts get an impression of the new player and see whether he's a reliable player or not.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

It's not necessarily a rule but it's a regulation that some of us reeeeally want to regulate. Ultimately it's just highly encouraged that the game mod take that into consideration, but it's their decision whether or not to allow a player into their game.

 

[X WaNtEd X]

NO. Swords let you in. Play bro. Or else.

Oh sweet :D

I'll even play the mini game as well for good measure.

One other thing. Will the monster mafia be itt or will a new thread be created? I guess this goes for the mini mafia as well.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Oh sweet :D I'll even play the mini game as well for good measure. One other thing. Will the monster mafia be itt or will a new thread be created? I guess this goes for the mini mafia as well.

Mini mafia is in another thread that's been already created. You can find it on the front page, I believe the game is still going on. For Monster mafia, a new thread will be created for the game once the game has finished filling up. If you want to check how many more players are needed you can reference the opening post of the thread to see how sign ups are progressing.

 

[Overswarm]

How about we actually focus on the problem at hand instead of treating those familiar to DGames as equals to those who feel like they wanna play, and all of a sudden decide not to? It's insulting to say that me replacing out of a game is the same as a totally new face replacing out of a game and never showing his face here again. You wanna play in DGames? Prove you're not a poison by playing a game that causes no harm if you take a **** on it. I don't think it's far off to say that most people who have tried forum mafia ever quit during their first game cuz they didn't feel like making the commitment. There's been plenty of those cases in DGames, not just jakestan.

So KevinM should be banned from DGames, amirite? I've had more "no actions" and inactivity complaints from that guy than anyone else. =P

My point is, this isn't a "let's make DGames better", this is "new guys are a danger". Unless you're going to give the medicine to everyone, it's not really something that needs to even be considered. Just bring them in when they want to play, if they flake make sure other mods know and find a replacement. It's worked for years. I've been a part of a lot of games but most of the "ruined games" came from established names going inactive more than anything else.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I've literally never replaced out of a game. In fact, I've been a replacement for other people several times. More closely regulating people who are chronic activity-problem-slots sounds peachy to me.

I may not have been forced to "play a mini first", but I did play in 3 newbie games.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

i was gonna come in here and make a post explaining why i disagree with os but i realized nothin productive would get accomplished

so lets just leave it to mod discretion like we did in dancers case. i personally will never let a new ***** join my game barring a cosign but id still wanna give em a chance and thus point to the mini where less harm is done should he flake. dont feel like im alone in that hesitation. the counterargument is that completion of a mini is inequivalent to increasing the chances of em completing a real one but ima call bull**** on that cuz a lot of times new ****** bounce out the real ones simply cuz the game wasnt to their expections or familiarity with the game which hed get a taste of in a mini

 

[Xivii]

I agree with OS. It's not like the new guy is the only one susceptible to replacing out just because he's new. Furthermore mini mafia games are a different environment then regular games. "Passing the test" of completing a mini game is hardly telling when a regular game will almost inevitably have much more activity, be more complex, last a lot longer, and probably be closed (as opposed to an open set up).

People are more likely to feel connected with the game once they've interacted with the community. One may randomly feel like joining a mafia game on some site they've never been on before and forget about it the next day. However, it is natural that once they have interacted with the users, they are more likely to consider how their participation or lack thereof affects others. Through interaction, one realizes, consciously or unconsciously, that they are dealing with real people. Potential friends. And not just random, irrelevant strangers.


However, mod discretion is the way to go. None of that liberal, socialist, obama regulation propaganda.

 

[Xatres]

 

[Xivii]

Will hammer if I get an oop of alley.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

People are more likely to feel connected with the game once they've interacted with the community. One may randomly feel like joining a mafia game on some site they've never been on before and forget about it the next day. However, it is natural that once they have interacted with the users, they are more likely to consider how their participation or lack thereof affects others. Through interaction, one realizes, consciously or unconsciously, that they are dealing with real people. Potential friends. And not just random, irrelevant strangers.


However, mod discretion is the way to go. None of that liberal, socialist, obama regulation propaganda.

I feel you.

Still though you vouch for him, correct? I mean as long as I know that he's played mafia before in a setting like ours and is genuinely interested in the game then I'm still cool with him staying in.

Speaking of which.

@ X WaNtEd X :

What is your experience with mafia? How often do you play, and how long have you been playing? Are you use to playing in a setting wherethere can be hundreds to over a thousand posts per Day?

 

[X WaNtEd X]

@ X WaNtEd X :

What is your experience with mafia? How often do you play, and how long have you been playing? Are you use to playing in a setting wherethere can be hundreds to over a thousand posts per Day?

I've been playing mafia for about a year now. I play on a small private forum I'm apart of. Our games have about 20-25 players usually and I've been a part of at at least 10 of them. I have played mafia roles, town power roles and vanilla town roles. I have yet to get a third party role, but the point is I'm well versed in mafia.

I am not used to playing a game with that many posts being made per day, but I think the main difference is in how my forum plays the game. We are very close knit and everyone knows each other well so as a result, lot of the communication takes place outside the thread. I have lurked the threads here and basically the main difference between how you guys play and how I'm used to is basically in how information is shared. Everything appears to be much more public here. Regardless, I think I can handle it, in fact it might be a lot easier because all the information will be right there for me.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

lot of the communication takes place outside the thread

what dafuq

 

[ranmaru]

No I can see what he is talking about. They talk via pm and make alliances and no one even posts in thread. loooool

 

[#HBC | Joker]

on the Talking Time forum, they played a format where "making alliances" was a big part of it, but they could still only contact each other privately during the night phase. During the day, they had to communicate in thread in the open. There was also no mafia in that game. Each individual player had a win condition where they had to eliminate another player, so if they were alive at the end of the game, and their target was dead, they won. They still had a daily lynch that they voted on, but each player also had X amount of cash, and there were new items up for auction each day. This resulted in a lot of alliances being formed where they pooled their resources to outbid each other on certain items, which allowed them to protect themselves, kill targets in various ways, find out who each other's targets are, and many other things. It causes a lot of wheeling and dealing, where people literally buy each other's votes, and double cross each other on deals they've made. It's a really cool setup, actually. If I ever wanted to run a game, I'd probably want to run some variation of that setup.

 

[ranmaru]

Mmm. The game i played in had mafia in it. I was the vig and killed every night. lol

what's funny is that there was scum fake claiming doc as scum with a REAL doc in the game. I shot the real doc and the fake doc was outted xD

I was basically shooting by random. also I was hyped because I shot scum n1

 

[X WaNtEd X]

No I can see what he is talking about. They talk via pm and make alliances and no one even posts in thread. loooool

Like this but it's much more subtle. It makes things way harder for the mafia because the town generally does their best to keep as much information away as possible so the mafia generally makes worse decisions at night. I actually am trying to push for different rules that disallow this, but I haven't thought of any way to enforce it properly. I guess maybe force everyone to post in the thread, but that takes away the lurker strategies that are risky but rewarding. Regardless, it's not nearly as bad as it sounds. There's usually around 10-15 pages of posts per game, where a page contains 50 posts.

 

[X WaNtEd X]

on the Talking Time forum, they played a format where "making alliances" was a big part of it, but they could still only contact each other privately during the night phase. During the day, they had to communicate in thread in the open. There was also no mafia in that game. Each individual player had a win condition where they had to eliminate another player, so if they were alive at the end of the game, and their target was dead, they won. They still had a daily lynch that they voted on, but each player also had X amount of cash, and there were new items up for auction each day. This resulted in a lot of alliances being formed where they pooled their resources to outbid each other on certain items, which allowed them to protect themselves, kill targets in various ways, find out who each other's targets are, and many other things. It causes a lot of wheeling and dealing, where people literally buy each other's votes, and double cross each other on deals they've made. It's a really cool setup, actually. If I ever wanted to run a game, I'd probably want to run some variation of that setup.

That sounds similar to our setup except we don't buy votes, even though we have a forum currency that has real world value. Someone actually bought a WiiU for example with our currency. Anyway, all the alliances makes for an interesting game sometimes. One time I was mafia and one of our members infiltrated the alliance and he got away with killing lynching three people in it by roleclaiming cop and pretending he didn't know his sanity. We killed the other cop, but the GM decided not to reveal that cops sanity when he died. Another common thing to happen is the town will let slip some false information on purpose (we have this thing called comet chat that allows people to PM each other in a chat that's similar to the format Facebook uses) in the hopes of baiting out reactions that incriminate mafia or even lead the mafia into targeting the wrong person.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

omfg, 750 posts is a whole game? We have cracked that on D1 before.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I've been playing mafia for about a year now. I play on a small private forum I'm apart of. Our games have about 20-25 players usually and I've been a part of at at least 10 of them. I have played mafia roles, town power roles and vanilla town roles. I have yet to get a third party role, but the point is I'm well versed in mafia.

I am not used to playing a game with that many posts being made per day, but I think the main difference is in how my forum plays the game. We are very close knit and everyone knows each other well so as a result, lot of the communication takes place outside the thread. I have lurked the threads here and basically the main difference between how you guys play and how I'm used to is basically in how information is shared. Everything appears to be much more public here. Regardless, I think I can handle it, in fact it might be a lot easier because all the information will be right there for me.

Hmm, would it be alright then if you went on and played a mini first? The environment you come from seems quite different than ours.

Something to note is that in most cases, communication outside of thread is strictly forbidden. Unless you're mafia or you're town with a role that explicitly allows it (just as masons), you're only suppose to talk in thread. Breaking this rule will result in in instant modkill inmost cases, and I'm no exception to this.