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I see no reason to view him as scum. What he's asking lines up with what I'm thinking and his questions have good motive behind them.July said:Current thoughts on EBR?
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I see no reason to view him as scum. What he's asking lines up with what I'm thinking and his questions have good motive behind them.July said:Current thoughts on EBR?
Let me work through it. I do have a reason for it but let me work through what I'm trying to do.July said:Is there a reason you call IR grodiest and vote him, but then ask others why they are voting them instead of clarifying your own vote? And I mean other than because you may influence their answer, because that's not a huge concern when the answer is yes or no.
Yes but questions generally have some actual thing they want to know from them. You had:Asidoh said:Dunno what to say against this. It was the very beginning of the game, I had nothing to go on, I asked what came to mind.
Asidoh said:Read on IR: wanting Bardull's background is completely null to me, as I've seen that type of thing done in a lot of games... but him doing nothing else is scummy. Overall, null leaning scummy.
Since you saw my vote:@July
that's how i feel about WL right now, nothing has really changed, the IR vote is warranted and then we'll leave it there.
answer my gogdamn questionEBWOP: Murky question, let me clarify. I meant: Is it because they're using meta that you are voting them?
u so useless yhiya fellas
games i've been in:
FF6 - Town - Quicklynched by scum on D5 - lost
FF4 - Mafia - Lynched on D6 - lost
IDM - Town - Lynched on D2 - lost
SMRPG - Town - Survived 'til endgame - won.
i don't have scum picks yet (is it even possible to have scum picks this far in with players i've never played with? meh i'll look it over)
don't know why IR is focusing on me so much with his posts.
EBR - why wouldn't town want to know how i typically play (i'm a new player to dgames, after all)?
I know, right?
I'm gonna be wary of you. I already said you give me a townie vibe when you are town. Rather than that though, your earlier play gave me an uneasy feeling, the same I felt when I was reading another certain game that I signed up as a replacement for, in which you flipped scum.It did jump him onto my scum reads. His attack on me is a bit grody as well, especially because of his "WL is always town, the fact that he's null means he's scum" thing. dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
and asidoh is better than that.
Now HLOD ON mister. Just because I'm not giving town/scum lists doesn't mean I'm stanceless. I have some town reads that I don't care to divulge just yet, but don't forget that the game just started recently and exactly 1/3 of the players have done literally nothing yet.You have me at null. Your vote is currently on me. You have IR as null-leaning-scummy. That obviously suggests you feel worse about IR than you do about me. Yet you refuse to do anything about it and would prefer to sit on a null read? And this are two null reads amidst a sea of what I imagine to be nulls?
Kk. I'm fine with giving you time to work through what you are trying to do, I'm just interested to see where you are going with it.I see no reason to view him as scum. What he's asking lines up with what I'm thinking and his questions have good motive behind them.
Let me work through it. I do have a reason for it but let me work through what I'm trying to do.
This is true, the only person I've seen consistently worry about flavor is Nabe. I've been in a couple games with Asdioh and he never seen him worry about flavor before. It doesn't make sense that he is worrying about it now when it never bothered him before.Yes but questions generally have some actual thing they want to know from them. You had:
Not a question
Easy question to ask.
Not a question.
And then you asked about flavor as if you were interested in someone to confirm or deny a potential claim, but then dismissed this interest the second someone said that it's unimportant.
Seems mad scummy.
Actually I like the fact that he didn't just do what EBR told him to do here:u so useless y
The thing I don't like is that it's not clear from his last post rather he has read and kept up with the thread or not. If he is still reading, then I can understand not having scum picks yet, but if he is all caught up then he has to have some leads. He seems hesitant to pursue scum picks atm and idk how I feel about that 5 pages into the game and with plenty of content to discuss. I want to here more from Bardull.I assume, then, that you are familiar with most of the mafia terms we use. Good.
Vote in your next post.
Since we are not even 24 hours into the first Day, people not having a chance to post yet doesn't bother. But this I don't particularly like:Now HLOD ON mister. Just because I'm not giving town/scum lists doesn't mean I'm stanceless. I have some town reads that I don't care to divulge just yet, but don't forget that the game just started recently and exactly 1/3 of the players have done literally nothing yet.
FoS: Red Ryu@EBR: I don't think the real question is can you trust me. I think the better question is if I can trust you. Don't make me have to dayvig you down the road just because you're being an unreadable ***** and I don't wanna deal with it.
@Inglorious*******s*******: Same question applies.
@Gova: You are a smart man, and you seem trustworthy. Don't stab me in the back later in the game.
@Soup: A visual reminder:
*Censor dodge*
Pic said I run this **** ~ Red Ryu
Fish for what?I think BarD hasn't read up and has skimmed if anything, since it reminds me of what I was like when I skimmed and posted.
vote: IngRetards
IR, have you done anything other than fish for and make meta-related comments (and then dismiss how useful these comments are)? What really hits me is how he didn't even say anything about the results he requested (which imo will do nothing whatsoever for reads anyway). Seriously, acknowledge them at least. Voting what appears to be the next-most plausible wagon as well.
Actually, that makes a hell of a lot more sense when you phrase it that way. Its not that Scumdioh just doesn't get a town vibe, its that Scumdioh doesn't get a town or a scum vibe, but since he usually gets a town vibe from WL as a player early game, he's scummier than his other null reads.Gova said:You acknowledge then that you're finding WL scummy because you don't get a town vibe from him? That's how it reads to me and it makes no sense. Hell, everyone must be scummy to you since they're null because you don't have their usual town read on them right?
How does now knowing that JTB had been the only one posting up until the time of this post affect your read on IR?July said:@IR: Hi Gheb! Last time I saw you we were scum together. So far your play has not been great, but honestly not what I expect from scum Gheb. Idk know much about JTB's play though, so IGMEOY until we hear more from your hydra.
Its very possible to have scum picks with players you've never played with, unless your main focus is meta.hiya fellas
games i've been in:
FF6 - Town - Quicklynched by scum on D5 - lost
FF4 - Mafia - Lynched on D6 - lost
IDM - Town - Lynched on D2 - lost
SMRPG - Town - Survived 'til endgame - won.
i don't have scum picks yet (is it even possible to have scum picks this far in with players i've never played with? meh i'll look it over)
don't know why IR is focusing on me so much with his posts.
EBR - why wouldn't town want to know how i typically play (i'm a new player to dgames, after all)?
This reeks.Asdioh said:Don't remind me :| I'll make sure to watch both of you, and not "clear" you as town this time unless I'm absolutely positive.
wtf is this, even?WL, keep up the good work.
Gord, why do I need a wagon over anyone else?
Asdioh u so scum y, trying to appeal to WL by switching your vote?
unvote
Vote: Asdioh
Dork, please try to get the vote counts correct, JTB is not voting for WL.
Actually, AA's post had a good point in it. The part about you asking for Bardull's past experience so you could meta him and then immediately dismissing any meta you could have gotten from his response as unimportant. Gross. It's pretty obvious his "have you done anything other than X" is just emphasizing the point that your slot has posted a large amount of meta related bull**** and that he's not actually asking you the question.Fish for what?
Have I done anything other than make meta-related comments? Why are you asking me that? Why don't you read and answer your question yourself?
The fact that I didn't publically acknowledge Bardull's post bothers you to the point that you need to vote me?
FoS: asianaussie
Asdioh/AA definitely the two scummiest people right now.
That was a rhetorical question. I read over all of your posts a few times before deciding that no, you have not done anything productive. You have, all up, talked about wanting Bar's meta, defended your decision to pursue said meta, and briefly deflected WL's questioning of your non-readability, or something vague like that.Have I done anything other than make meta-related comments? Why are you asking me that? Why don't you read and answer your question yourself?
Well, if you're going to be secretive, then sure, but it's still a point of suspicion. Not mentioning it means that it is something you've noted and are keeping, because you are not careless enough to miss the post and should've said something if it was totally insubstantial. I'll be waiting for the big reveal you manage to pull off with the sparse meta you've been given.The fact that I didn't publically acknowledge Bardull's post bothers you to the point that you need to vote me?
His attempt to show he's contributing and voting and stuff. It gives WL kudos for a bunch of responsive posts, and a vote that has, as its basis, a scumtell that involves buddying WL. Lots of attempts to place himself as an ally with a rather towny player.wtf is this, even?
Hmm... EBR...Do you mean "the same people playing differently from before" or "people have different playstyles?" To both: not really. Though at the same time, WL usually gives me a townfeel very early on, when he's town... and I'm not getting that this time around. He's null for me right now, but that leaves him scummier than my other nulls because he should be on my town list, you know?
July 2nd?! ...
Oh snap.
:|
Nobody should ever claim less than 24 hours into the game.
Why is it that you need to be forced to do something? Why are you try'na be as stanceless as possible? Why am I putting you in question so much?Dunno what to say against this. It was the very beginning of the game, I had nothing to go on, I asked what came to mind.
Null so far.
Don't remind me :| I'll make sure to watch both of you, and not "clear" you as town this time unless I'm absolutely positive.
I have a town read on Soup. I feel like Soup is an easy target early game, and that's what WL was going for. That, plus the fact that I don't have my usual townread on WL, made me vote for him.
Of course I believe it. Do you remember what J tried to do to me in the first 24 hours of Pizza mafia? When he brought me, the doctor, to L-1 that quickly and desperately tried to get me to claim?
Read on IR: wanting Bardull's background is completely null to me, as I've seen that type of thing done in a lot of games... but him doing nothing else is scummy. Overall, null leaning scummy.
I'll do this in a jiffy. I promise <3WL said:Can you clarify what "Not quite" means? Go in-depth. I want to understand your vote on him.
Man I wish I can watch Asdioh squirm after lookin at this.WL said:You have me at null. Your vote is currently on me. You have IR as null-leaning-scummy. That obviously suggests you feel worse about IR than you do about me. Yet you refuse to do anything about it and would prefer to sit on a null read? And this are two null reads amidst a sea of what I imagine to be nulls?
I kinda thought the same thing, but can you really cast suspicion for that? Activity is a null tell for now. Better to not exhaust your energy into somebody that's not even here, if you get what I'm saying.July said:FoS: Red Ryu
You were in the thread to edit WL's post, but you didn't even say hi, place an rvs vote, or anything *sad panda*
Seriously though, I'm just confused as to why there wasn't even a stop-in hi post from you. Who are your scum picks? And what are your thoughts on the IR wagon?
There. is. no. case. on. you. .jpgOK, I read up most of the stuff regarding my wagon and went through JTB's suspicions against Asdioh [which I agree with to a good extent].
I don't get the case on JTB at all. His posting was scummy because he was asking for a "new" player's meta? Since when is that a scumtell? Looking through the debate with EBR it looks like the whole point got sidetracked by both players' stubbornness. Would it really have been a problem if Bardull just answered JTB's request and then get it over with? What are the anti-town implications that make that a scumtell? Learning about his meta by asking him to "summarize" his previous games might not be the most effective way to actually understand him but hyperboling a null-tell also isn't the most effective way to hunt scum.
My interpretation is that it's Ryker/Kuz's way to "pressure" somebody and hope to learn anything from it. Any other answer won't cut it for me. I would not believe you if you told me that you'd lynch a players mainly for asking about another players' meta. So what is it that you've learned from JTB's answers that makes you continue to pursue your scumread on him? Be concrete.
Suspicions coming in my next post.
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is what i basically agree with.WL said:You have me at null. Your vote is currently on me. You have IR as null-leaning-scummy. That obviously suggests you feel worse about IR than you do about me. Yet you refuse to do anything about it and would prefer to sit on a null read? And this are two null reads amidst a sea of what I imagine to be nulls?
this part right here, this part is ****.asdioh said:I'm gonna be wary of you. I already said you give me a townie vibe when you are town. Rather than that though, your earlier play gave me an uneasy feeling, the same I felt when I was reading another certain game that I signed up as a replacement for, in which you flipped scum.
However, your recent string of posts look like town thought process. Maybe I'm a sucker for multiposting?
*looks at DH's votecount and realizes I'm not even on it for some reason*
Uhhhh
unvote
Vote: IngloRetards
IR, this is why i FoS Asdioh instead of voting him, what the **** is this.ingloretards said:WL, keep up the good work.
Gord, why do I need a wagon over anyone else?
Asdioh u so scum y, trying to appeal to WL by switching your vote?
unvote
Vote: Asdioh
Dork, please try to get the vote counts correct, JTB is not voting for WL.
not sure if serious july.july said:FoS: Red Ryu
You were in the thread to edit WL's post, but you didn't even say hi, place an rvs vote, or anything *sad panda*
Seriously though, I'm just confused as to why there wasn't even a stop-in hi post from you. Who are your scum picks? And what are your thoughts on the IR wagon?
I'm ok with this, it's better then what asdioh spewed out.AA said:I think BarD hasn't read up and has skimmed if anything, since it reminds me of what I was like when I skimmed and posted.
vote: IngRetards
IR, have you done anything other than fish for and make meta-related comments (and then dismiss how useful these comments are)? What really hits me is how he didn't even say anything about the results he requested (which imo will do nothing whatsoever for reads anyway). Seriously, acknowledge them at least. Voting what appears to be the next-most plausible wagon as well.
Asdioh's change of heart on WL confuses me. I suppose he had very little reason to suspect him to begin with, but still...also, while his first post is a pile of nothing that tries to look like something, I'll respond to it with yes, I will be more active than what you have experienced.
FoS: Red Ryu for the same reasons as July said.
i just don't even know anymore, to save me time and aneryusms:Fish for what?
Have I done anything other than make meta-related comments? Why are you asking me that? Why don't you read and answer your question yourself?
The fact that I didn't publically acknowledge Bardull's post bothers you to the point that you need to vote me?
FoS: asianaussie
Asdioh/AA definitely the two scummiest people right now.
Yes.@Red Ryu: Do you want to be friends this game?
:/*Censor dodge*
Pic said I run this **** ~ Red Ryu
Why do you want to be that unreadable?I think the better question is why you are setting myself and kuz/ryker up for blame for being unreadable and not your lack of hydra-reading skills <3
Why change the subject so soon and not answer Soups question?I know, Soup. Why are you critiquing me and completely uninterested in the comparison EBR's making?
Well that was fast.Bull**** it's not.
vote: Soup
@EBR: That doesn't answer my question.
I'm interested in this as well.WL, why are you so concerned yourself that i am not concentrating on EBR?
Valid response.It has nothing to do with EBR. It has to do with the fact that someone is making a serious connection based on meta and the only thing you're content on doing is sitting in an armchair and telling others how to play or what you dislike about their play, neglecting to even mention what others are saying. The post was even a mixed bag, saying you both "liked and hated" it, so the entire thing screamed null to me. Your only points brought up have been answers about flavor and stupid RVS stuff. You hate being told you're not scum hunting but there's not even a subtle hint that you are at the moment, from my point of view.
Umm what? Your calling him out on meta, explain what pattern he is breaking.unvote
Vote: Washedlaundry
y u no feel town? Ever since your first post you've seemed grimier than the townWL I'm used to seeing. Speaking of your first post:This confused me because I looked, and I don't see EBR directing anything at you?
@EBR: where is your Soup scumread coming from? I don't think I've ever played a game where he was scum.
So what is your case on them for this game for the non meta part?@EBR
The only game I can read with him in it is SMRPG when he was town aligned. If I know that his two other games have also been town aligned, I know a bit about his meta and I can see how his play this game matches up with his play in SMRPG.
I'm not solely relying on meta btw
Them talking about wanting meta is not scummy in itself. Rather, it's the fact that early on, it was their primary, and almost sole purpose. It's as if ****** was making lack of meta his excuse for not scum hunting, when there was plenty more room to do so. In fact, I was reading back looking at ******'s post, and there was almost, if not absolutely, nothing substantial that didn't involve meta until page 5 (40ppp). It's the fact that he seems to be try'na set up personal hindrances to scum hunting.Washed Laundry said:Is it because they're using meta that you are voting them?
Subtle buddying, yet still trying to keep distance between us? Asidoh, why are you so transparent?I know, right?
Now, is it just my imagination, or is this game actually not moving that quickly as far as Dgames mafia games go?
I'm gonna be wary of you. I already said you give me a townie vibe when you are town. Rather than that though, your earlier play gave me an uneasy feeling, the same I felt when I was reading another certain game that I signed up as a replacement for, in which you flipped scum.
However, your recent string of posts look like town thought process. Maybe I'm a sucker for multiposting?
*looks at DH's votecount and realizes I'm not even on it for some reason*
Uhhhh
unvote
Vote: IngloRetards
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Now HLOD ON mister. Just because I'm not giving town/scum lists doesn't mean I'm stanceless. I have some town reads that I don't care to divulge just yet, but don't forget that the game just started recently and exactly 1/3 of the players have done literally nothing yet.
Lemme get a reason out of Soup and then we'll continue this I think. I don't wanna taint his answer.~June 21, 2011. 2:33 PM
So WL wants reasoning behind ******'s vote.
Them talking about wanting meta is not scummy in itself. Rather, it's the fact that early on, it was their primary, and almost sole purpose. It's as if ****** was making lack of meta his excuse for not scum hunting, when there was plenty more room to do so. In fact, I was reading back looking at ******'s post, and there was almost, if not absolutely, nothing substantial that didn't involve meta until page 5 (40ppp). It's the fact that he seems to be try'na set up personal hindrances to scum hunting.
Well that's my reason at least.
Replace "Asdioh" with "IR". Question is still valid.Asdioh u so scum y, trying to appeal to WL by switching your vote?
u so bandwagon yI think BarD hasn't read up and has skimmed if anything, since it reminds me of what I was like when I skimmed and posted.
vote: IngRetards
IR, have you done anything other than fish for and make meta-related comments (and then dismiss how useful these comments are)? What really hits me is how he didn't even say anything about the results he requested (which imo will do nothing whatsoever for reads anyway). Seriously, acknowledge them at least. Voting what appears to be the next-most plausible wagon as well.
Asdioh's change of heart on WL confuses me. I suppose he had very little reason to suspect him to begin with, but still...also, while his first post is a pile of nothing that tries to look like something, I'll respond to it with yes, I will be more active than what you have experienced.
FoS: Red Ryu for the same reasons as July said.